Well now, it could very well be that a "lecture" is exactly what is needed in this instance? Clearly something should be said and I think that, for the most part, Ron, JD and Darth said it.

What on earth is wrong with you guys??? Look, I know there have been moments when we have been less than our best. Happens to everyone. Why in the world would otherwise intelligent, caring people become so vicious?? There have been "personal" moments for just about every member of this Board, myself included. I have read PMs that have saddened me, confused me and angered me. I know that there have been some "in-fights" that have really boiled down to misunderstanding.

I have always promoted "family" here. That is what I stand for and what I insist upon from all regular members. All families argue. This is NOT "Leave it to Beaver". Having said this, I still expect a level of maturity and decency from everyone. Now, does that mean I always get it? Of course not. I am just one guy. I have NO control over ANY of you. I will say this, you know I am right. In your hearts, you know that what I am saying is right. 

My sisters, please look inside yourselves. You know the truth about YOU. You cannot see inside another and, therefore, you must take each other at face value. Trust. As difficult as it may be, you must have trust in one another or there is NO way you can be a part of a family! Same goes for the guys! We are brothers here and, as such, we must have a level of trust. I am not asking that we all exchange bank account numbers...I am asking that we all care.

Well now, it could very well be that a "lecture" is exactly what is needed in this instance? Clearly something should be said and I think that, for the most part, Ron, JD and Darth said it.

What on earth is wrong with you guys??? Look, I know there have been moments when we have been less than our best. Happens to everyone. Why in the world would otherwise intelligent, caring people become so vicious?? There have been "personal" moments for just about every member of this Board, myself included. I have read PMs that have saddened me, confused me and angered me. I know that there have been some "in-fights" that have really boiled down to misunderstanding.

I have always promoted "family" here. That is what I stand for and what I insist upon from all regular members. All families argue. This is NOT "Leave it to Beaver". Having said this, I still expect a level of maturity and decency from everyone. Now, does that mean I always get it? Of course not. I am just one guy. I have NO control over ANY of you. I will say this, you know I am right. In your hearts, you know that what I am saying is right. 

My sisters, please look inside yourselves. You know the truth about YOU. You cannot see inside another and, therefore, you must take each other at face value. Trust. As difficult as it may be, you must have trust in one another or there is NO way you can be a part of a family! Same goes for the guys! We are brothers here and, as such, we must have a level of trust. I am not asking that we all exchange bank account numbers...I am asking that we all care.

Well put, J.D.!!!  I registered at the Q, but never received any confirmation of it.

And like I said earlier, I think Bev is a good person and I like her.  Yes, like a few of us....she is an emotional person.  MG and I are like that as well.  That wasn't my point though.  I found it just as interesting as Soy did that she jumped right in and said what she did to Soy's initial post.  I have read rumours about such nonsense before, but reading Bev's interchange with Soy leads me to believe that she's got a guilty conscienious and it's regarding what he said.  Maybe I'm wrong (and I hope I am) but until everyone involved comes clean, people are going to just ass-u-me otherwise.

Bev and MG...if you both are reading this.  Please post and let's clear the air once and for all about all of this.  I think it's well past the time for that to have occurred.  And I really don't want to have to call Freeze and drag him on here to lecture us.

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		I hear ya Darth,(lol!)but I don't think that it makes "us" or "the rest of us" look "foolish" to others who would like to join the site. As I've said....go over to the Halford "Q" and stay awhile...you will see the same things from time to time over there...actually if ya want to know the truth..it's worse over there than here overall.But the Halford Q is an awsome place to post and hang out,I don't hang out there.....I only have been there a couple of times just to see enough,thats it but it is a worthy site.It just proves that there is B.S. everywhere you go.   I remember when I logged onto the Mercyful Fate site 4 years ago...and a member posted a thread of the hair band "White Lion"(yuk! lol!) and alls I said was that I did'nt like "White Lion" and I posted a picture of "Boy George" and compared it to White Lion....the web master "banned my account"!!! Just for that? HA HA HA! That brings back funny memories!!  But it proves that bull shit happens not just here,but everywhere.  Let the people that want to purposely cause B.S. do thier thing,you don't have to respond to them.What ticks them off,is if you "do not reply" to thier posts. I think Bev is an emotional person and that is not a bad thing,that is a "good" thing here.It just proves that we are all different in many ways and some people get fired up more than others. So be it,but understand what you are posting before you post.  Bev is a great member here just like all the rest. So if somebody logs onto this site and is thinking about joining in,then don't let posts such as below discourage you,there are a number of veteran members here that will back you up and support you the whole way man.I'm one of them.  It's ok to have a difference of opinion,but as I've said before...to those who are upset by being here,maybe you have to ask yourselves "is this the right place for you to be".. I hope that it is,it is for me but again,everybody is entitled to thier own opinion...even thier own opinion about if this site is the right place for them. If these members keep logging onto this site and alls they do is get in an argument,then maybe it's time they asked themselves "is this the right place for me to relax and enjoy myself"???  If not,then thats ok too. Never the less,we will be glad that we got to meet them,and look forwards to meeting the newest member!    (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Friday, March 13, 2009 4:03:49 AM)   Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:   Me neither Strat.  I would like to think that we are all better people than that.  Personally, I cannot understand why people (especially grown ones!) have to act this way.  It's really disheartening and it makes us all look foolish to others who would like to join the site.  Life and even the internet, is soooooooo much bigger than our petty jealousies and insecurities.      _strat_ wrote:   I second thyat. Like we dont have enough problems with shitdisturbers from outside, now were going to have a "civil war" between regulars... Ffs... Im really surprised at Bev, tho. I wouldnt expect that kind of bullshit from her.       J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   Hey Vaillant 3.0....Bev...Solent Green and Metalgodess.....(lol)not trying to irritate you guys,but all 4 of you have actually started "this friction" between nobody else but "yourselves"! Yes,it's true....not to worry,some people get caught up in various things...this just happens to be yours,thats all. If someone wants to stir up B.S. here,then ignore them.Whats funny is that you don't have to get worked up about it.  Just stop causing friction and have a good time,whats wrong with that? Nothing...  Before all 4 of you got tangled up in arguing,this place has been silent.If you think someone posts something to cause problems,just ignore the post and post something cool,or whatever..its entirely up to nobody else but "you".  As I've said before,these kinds of friction are everywhere...but if this place makes you soooo unhappy then nobody is keeping you here....you can search for the "perfect" website where nobody has a difference of opinion right?  Rock on guys!! Edited at: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:51:59 AM Edited at: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:31:25 AM