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Motorhead Bastards 2003
Even though technically Lemmy says they are not heavy metal.....motorhead's new wave of british heavy metal sound leaks through from time to time .....
Motorhead has a dirty greasy biker rock feel to them and some riffs dip in and out of british styled heavy metal but not so much that gets your mind off of thier brand of excellent hard rock.
Motorhead has every right to be in this thread. Shit....even Def Leppard's High And Dry could fit in this thread and would not be an insult as much as "Winger".
This album is a great Motorhead album.12 songs on this disc and there are only 3 tracks I don't care for...but the other 9 songs are classic Motorhead.
Tracks like the opener "On Your Feet Or On Your Knees"....."Burner"......."I Am The Sword"....."Born To Raise Hell"......awsome album.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:17:56 PM)
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| [Becks] Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:23:10 PM | |
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I'm making gingerbread men at the moment, I want to make one that looks like Bret Michaels so I can have the satisfaction of chomping his head off LOL!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:15:19 PM)| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | |  POISON.... 
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:21:17 PM | |
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LOL Becks!! Yeah becks,spapad,Hot Rockin'.........I wouldn't of said anything if Winger would of been posted in another thread about all types of albums bands ..ect...
....but he tries to put Winger in a thread called "Classic Heavy Metal Album Of The Day"? No way. What an insult.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:02:13 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | LOL J.D!
While I have heard worse bands than Winger, putting them in here is almost akin to putting this in here:
Cos ya know, Bret Michaels is hard core metal........................
OOPS big pic sorry. This album cover actually makes me feel ill. Yuck.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | You are a complete idiot Craig Wagenhoffer. You have no respect for this thread and are only here to cause problems like a childish fucking troublemaker who has low self esteem.
It doesn't matter how "good" the guitar player in "Winger " is...the point is "you" have "no idea" what real true traditional heavy metal is at all,and are trying to match wits with somebody
as myself who "does know" what bands/albums belong in this thread. This is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL" thread..and "Winger" is not a "heavy metal band".....they are a trend band that
grasped onto the mid 80's ride with the rest of the glam movement from L.A.....Winger isn't even a classic "rock" band.....they are a bunch of posers who were an embarrassment....like you.
| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | "They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake."
That's a rediculous statement. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. This is Reb Beach playing the guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWGQWu6mSWM It's pure genious. Reb Beach easily equals Ken Downing, Glenn Tipton, Eddie Van Halen and all the others. There's no way you can deny that.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Hey there J.D. I see the fireworks have gone off here as well as outside...Happy 4TH!!!
Why the hell would anyone want to embarass themselves by posting a band like Winger here defies logic!!! And then pick on 2 of Priest's weakest albums and that some how justifies anything???? They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake...lol!!!!
Probably some young punk who doesn't understand the WAY...but if he's an older guy...all I can do is hope he hasn't reproduced!!!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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| [spapad] Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:18:52 PM | |
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I still think the Winger post belonged in the Confessional, with the introduction: Please Forgive Me Oh Metal God, but I am a closet Winger Fan" after all by his own words he said, 'I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels' Perfect for the Confessional!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:15:19 PM)| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | | POISON....
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| [HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:15:19 PM | |
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| [spapad] Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:12:41 PM | |
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Run AWAY!!! It's Patny Hose, and Big Hair Rock! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:02:13 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | LOL J.D!
While I have heard worse bands than Winger, putting them in here is almost akin to putting this in here:
Cos ya know, Bret Michaels is hard core metal........................
OOPS big pic sorry. This album cover actually makes me feel ill. Yuck.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | You are a complete idiot Craig Wagenhoffer. You have no respect for this thread and are only here to cause problems like a childish fucking troublemaker who has low self esteem.
It doesn't matter how "good" the guitar player in "Winger " is...the point is "you" have "no idea" what real true traditional heavy metal is at all,and are trying to match wits with somebody
as myself who "does know" what bands/albums belong in this thread. This is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL" thread..and "Winger" is not a "heavy metal band".....they are a trend band that
grasped onto the mid 80's ride with the rest of the glam movement from L.A.....Winger isn't even a classic "rock" band.....they are a bunch of posers who were an embarrassment....like you.
| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | "They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake."
That's a rediculous statement. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. This is Reb Beach playing the guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWGQWu6mSWM It's pure genious. Reb Beach easily equals Ken Downing, Glenn Tipton, Eddie Van Halen and all the others. There's no way you can deny that.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Hey there J.D. I see the fireworks have gone off here as well as outside...Happy 4TH!!!
Why the hell would anyone want to embarass themselves by posting a band like Winger here defies logic!!! And then pick on 2 of Priest's weakest albums and that some how justifies anything???? They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake...lol!!!!
Probably some young punk who doesn't understand the WAY...but if he's an older guy...all I can do is hope he hasn't reproduced!!!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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| [Becks] Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:02:13 PM | |
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LOL J.D!
While I have heard worse bands than Winger, putting them in here is almost akin to putting this in here:
Cos ya know, Bret Michaels is hard core metal........................
OOPS big pic sorry. This album cover actually makes me feel ill. Yuck.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:53:10 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | You are a complete idiot Craig Wagenhoffer. You have no respect for this thread and are only here to cause problems like a childish fucking troublemaker who has low self esteem.
It doesn't matter how "good" the guitar player in "Winger " is...the point is "you" have "no idea" what real true traditional heavy metal is at all,and are trying to match wits with somebody
as myself who "does know" what bands/albums belong in this thread. This is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL" thread..and "Winger" is not a "heavy metal band".....they are a trend band that
grasped onto the mid 80's ride with the rest of the glam movement from L.A.....Winger isn't even a classic "rock" band.....they are a bunch of posers who were an embarrassment....like you.
| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | "They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake."
That's a rediculous statement. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. This is Reb Beach playing the guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWGQWu6mSWM It's pure genious. Reb Beach easily equals Ken Downing, Glenn Tipton, Eddie Van Halen and all the others. There's no way you can deny that.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Hey there J.D. I see the fireworks have gone off here as well as outside...Happy 4TH!!!
Why the hell would anyone want to embarass themselves by posting a band like Winger here defies logic!!! And then pick on 2 of Priest's weakest albums and that some how justifies anything???? They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake...lol!!!!
Probably some young punk who doesn't understand the WAY...but if he's an older guy...all I can do is hope he hasn't reproduced!!!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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| [HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:56:11 PM | |
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Even Wikpedia does not classify WINGER as CLASSIC HEAVY METAL. Something MOST of us already knew, but apparently SOMEONE needs to see it in black and white, so here you go! ENOUGH SAID!!
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:55:27 PM | |
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Then post it in another fucking thread dude...is it that fucking hard to understand? Dude...are you retarded?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:44:39 PM)| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | Classic metal, classic heavy metal, classic rock, hair metal,... Who the fuck cares? I don't care what it's called. These guys play solid drumlines, catchy riffs and killer guitar solos. They rock!
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Hey Craig...look at the name again...J.D. is different than JD...JD is the most respected member in name only, as a man he's a tool and is deserving of nobodies respect!!!!
The J.D. you are engeged with is a hell of a guy and you'd be well served to understand his intent...as he is dead on correct.
By NOBODY'S standard is Winger in any way, shape or form considered a Classic Metal Band...hell, Kip will tell you that himself. So why are you so stubborn about something the band itself witll tell you your wrong???
| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | I like a healthy debate, but I will not continue this discussion with you. You simply can't have a mature debate with someone who uses double standards and likes to call people names. We will simply have to agree to disagree. End of story.
I noticed that you are the most respected member of this board, but I couldn't care less about that. You don't own this place. Better keep that in mind, buddy. This section of the board is called "Beyond the realms of Priest" for a reason. So in this section I can post anything I want. And besides: everybody has his own definition of classic heavy metal. It's a personal thing. To me "Winger" is definitely a part of that movement, which means I have every right to post in here.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:53:10 PM | |
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You are a complete idiot Craig Wagenhoffer. You have no respect for this thread and are only here to cause problems like a childish fucking troublemaker who has low self esteem.
It doesn't matter how "good" the guitar player in "Winger " is...the point is "you" have "no idea" what real true traditional heavy metal is at all,and are trying to match wits with somebody
as myself who "does know" what bands/albums belong in this thread. This is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL" thread..and "Winger" is not a "heavy metal band".....they are a trend band that
grasped onto the mid 80's ride with the rest of the glam movement from L.A.....Winger isn't even a classic "rock" band.....they are a bunch of posers who were an embarrassment....like you.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:40:16 PM)| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | "They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake."
That's a rediculous statement. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. This is Reb Beach playing the guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWGQWu6mSWM It's pure genious. Reb Beach easily equals Ken Downing, Glenn Tipton, Eddie Van Halen and all the others. There's no way you can deny that.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Hey there J.D. I see the fireworks have gone off here as well as outside...Happy 4TH!!!
Why the hell would anyone want to embarass themselves by posting a band like Winger here defies logic!!! And then pick on 2 of Priest's weakest albums and that some how justifies anything???? They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake...lol!!!!
Probably some young punk who doesn't understand the WAY...but if he's an older guy...all I can do is hope he hasn't reproduced!!!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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Yeah, I read that before...but finish reading my post and answer the question...why are you arguing a point that Kip himself would cede????
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:40:16 PM)| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | "They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake."
That's a rediculous statement. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. This is Reb Beach playing the guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWGQWu6mSWM It's pure genious. Reb Beach easily equals Ken Downing, Glenn Tipton, Eddie Van Halen and all the others. There's no way you can deny that.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Hey there J.D. I see the fireworks have gone off here as well as outside...Happy 4TH!!!
Why the hell would anyone want to embarass themselves by posting a band like Winger here defies logic!!! And then pick on 2 of Priest's weakest albums and that some how justifies anything???? They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake...lol!!!!
Probably some young punk who doesn't understand the WAY...but if he's an older guy...all I can do is hope he hasn't reproduced!!!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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Classic metal, classic heavy metal, classic rock, hair metal,... Who the fuck cares? I don't care what it's called. These guys play solid drumlines, catchy riffs and killer guitar solos. They rock!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:32:56 PM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Hey Craig...look at the name again...J.D. is different than JD...JD is the most respected member in name only, as a man he's a tool and is deserving of nobodies respect!!!!
The J.D. you are engeged with is a hell of a guy and you'd be well served to understand his intent...as he is dead on correct.
By NOBODY'S standard is Winger in any way, shape or form considered a Classic Metal Band...hell, Kip will tell you that himself. So why are you so stubborn about something the band itself witll tell you your wrong???
| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | I like a healthy debate, but I will not continue this discussion with you. You simply can't have a mature debate with someone who uses double standards and likes to call people names. We will simply have to agree to disagree. End of story.
I noticed that you are the most respected member of this board, but I couldn't care less about that. You don't own this place. Better keep that in mind, buddy. This section of the board is called "Beyond the realms of Priest" for a reason. So in this section I can post anything I want. And besides: everybody has his own definition of classic heavy metal. It's a personal thing. To me "Winger" is definitely a part of that movement, which means I have every right to post in here.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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"They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake."
That's a rediculous statement. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. This is Reb Beach playing the guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWGQWu6mSWM It's pure genious. Reb Beach easily equals Ken Downing, Glenn Tipton, Eddie Van Halen and all the others. There's no way you can deny that.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:23:22 PM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Hey there J.D. I see the fireworks have gone off here as well as outside...Happy 4TH!!!
Why the hell would anyone want to embarass themselves by posting a band like Winger here defies logic!!! And then pick on 2 of Priest's weakest albums and that some how justifies anything???? They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake...lol!!!!
Probably some young punk who doesn't understand the WAY...but if he's an older guy...all I can do is hope he hasn't reproduced!!!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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Hey Craig...look at the name again...J.D. is different than JD...JD is the most respected member in name only, as a man he's a tool and is deserving of nobodies respect!!!!
The J.D. you are engeged with is a hell of a guy and you'd be well served to understand his intent...as he is dead on correct.
By NOBODY'S standard is Winger in any way, shape or form considered a Classic Metal Band...hell, Kip will tell you that himself. So why are you so stubborn about something the band itself witll tell you your wrong???
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:24:55 PM)| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | I like a healthy debate, but I will not continue this discussion with you. You simply can't have a mature debate with someone who uses double standards and likes to call people names. We will simply have to agree to disagree. End of story.
I noticed that you are the most respected member of this board, but I couldn't care less about that. You don't own this place. Better keep that in mind, buddy. This section of the board is called "Beyond the realms of Priest" for a reason. So in this section I can post anything I want. And besides: everybody has his own definition of classic heavy metal. It's a personal thing. To me "Winger" is definitely a part of that movement, which means I have every right to post in here.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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I like a healthy debate, but I will not continue this discussion with you. You simply can't have a mature debate with someone who uses double standards and likes to call people names. We will simply have to agree to disagree. End of story.
I noticed that you are the most respected member of this board, but I couldn't care less about that. You don't own this place. Better keep that in mind, buddy. This section of the board is called "Beyond the realms of Priest" for a reason. So in this section I can post anything I want. And besides: everybody has his own definition of classic heavy metal. It's a personal thing. To me "Winger" is definitely a part of that movement, which means I have every right to post in here.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:57:45 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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| [ron h] Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:23:22 PM | |
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Hey there J.D. I see the fireworks have gone off here as well as outside...Happy 4TH!!!
Why the hell would anyone want to embarass themselves by posting a band like Winger here defies logic!!! And then pick on 2 of Priest's weakest albums and that some how justifies anything???? They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake...lol!!!!
Probably some young punk who doesn't understand the WAY...but if he's an older guy...all I can do is hope he hasn't reproduced!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:57:45 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
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If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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Yeah Darryn,I'd love having a deleate button for this thread!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by FreakyMetalHead from Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:26:01 PM)| | | FreakyMetalHead wrote: | | Hey J.D.! How's it going??
Believe me when I say that "I feel your pain"!! LOL!!!! And I have a great idea to solve this problem! Check it out! Now we will have to run this by Murray for approval first but check it out! Whoever creates a thread like say "The Classic Heavy Metal Thread" has the ability to delete a post he doesn't approve of!!!! Thats right!! Complete control of the thread!!! LMAO dude!!! Kind of like a mini moderator of the thread!! So when some poser comes along and post something like say "Winger" ROFL!!!....with just a click of a button.....it is gone!!! Bam!!!!! And by no means am I calling Mista Wagenhoffer a poser, Just used that for an example. By the way..enjoyed the Reb Beach video!! So what do you think J.D.??? I think it would work!!! I think it would be a blast just sittin here hittin that delete button when I see a post I don't like!! LOL dude!!! Give it some thought J.D. and let me know what you think.
(Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:51:25 PM)
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Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:31:44 PM)| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:51:25 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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Hey J.D.! How's it going??
Believe me when I say that "I feel your pain"!! LOL!!!! And I have a great idea to solve this problem! Check it out! Now we will have to run this by Murray for approval first but check it out! Whoever creates a thread like say "The Classic Heavy Metal Thread" has the ability to delete a post he doesn't approve of!!!! Thats right!! Complete control of the thread!!! LMAO dude!!! Kind of like a mini moderator of the thread!! So when some poser comes along and post something like say "Winger" ROFL!!!....with just a click of a button.....it is gone!!! Bam!!!!! And by no means am I calling Mista Wagenhoffer a poser, Just used that for an example. By the way..enjoyed the Reb Beach video!! So what do you think J.D.??? I think it would work!!! I think it would be a blast just sittin here hittin that delete button when I see a post I don't like!! LOL dude!!! Give it some thought J.D. and let me know what you think.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:51:25 PM)
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Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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Yah, know, I think that Winger post would have been perfect for the Confessional page.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:27:41 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I agree,I don't care if somebody posts a "Winger" topic as long as its not in this thread called "classic heavy metal album of the day"!!
So its "HEAVY METAL'S territory in here.......any "posers" will take that risk!!
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WINGER?????? WTF? 
This is a CLASSIC HEAVY METAL thread. Stick to the topic PLEASE?
I myself am going to go listen to a CLASSIC HEAVY METAL album - Sad Wings of Destiny 
(Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:51:25 PM)
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Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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I agree,I don't care if somebody posts a "Winger" topic as long as its not in this thread called "classic heavy metal album of the day"!!
So its "HEAVY METAL'S territory in here.......any "posers" will take that risk!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:18:33 PM)| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | | J.D.
WINGER?????? WTF?
This is a CLASSIC HEAVY METAL thread. Stick to the topic PLEASE?
I myself am going to go listen to a CLASSIC HEAVY METAL album - Sad Wings of Destiny
(Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:51:25 PM)
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Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: |
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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| [HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:18:33 PM | |
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J.D.
WINGER?????? WTF?
This is a CLASSIC HEAVY METAL thread. Stick to the topic PLEASE?
I myself am going to go listen to a CLASSIC HEAVY METAL album - Sad Wings of Destiny
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:51:25 PM)
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Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: |
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: |
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, July 03, 2009 7:02:13 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
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Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Friday, July 03, 2009 4:26:13 PM)| | | Craig Wagenhoffer wrote: | | My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially Reb Beach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent. |
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RUNNING WILD MASQUERADE 1995
This is Running Wild's best album out of the band's 13 studio album career.
The album is very new wave of british heavy metal orienated and is Germany's answer for Judas Priest Iron Maiden and Saxon with having these 3 band's influences leaking throughout the album but maintaining the band's original style here as well,a perfect blend the way it should be.Not a "rip off" in any way here.....
There are 11 songs on the album and it starts off with an intro
1. The Contract/The Crypts Of Hades
2. Masquerade
3. Demonized
4. Black Soul
5. Lions Of The Sea
6.Rebel At Heart-The only lame track on the album
7. Wheel Of Doom
8. Metalhead
9. Soleil Royel
10.Men In Black
11.Underworld
A great heavy metal album done the traditional way with only 1 bad song out of 11.....this is a perfect example of heavy metal done the right way and all "10" songs are excellent in each of thier own way....its very rewarding listening to these 10 songs all the way through........
Rolf Kasperek's vocals are awsome and could remind at some times maybe like X-Iron Maiden vocalist "Paul Di Anno" if I had to describe.
Definately for fans of all 3 bands "Judas Priest,Saxon and Iron Maiden".
If you are a fan of all 3 bands...definately check this record out.... |
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My classic metal album of the day is Red Album - Baroness ( 2007 ).
Anyone who hasn't heard these guys before should check them out, great band. |
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My Classic Metal Album of the Day---
Kill Em' All Metallica 1983 |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:45:38 PM | |
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Yeah,I remember getting into this album in 1982/83...this is a very great album for Black Sabbath.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:23:34 AM)| | | DelivererofEvil wrote: | | Hey J.D.
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Hey J.D.
I still think that Heaven & Hell is the ultimate Black Sabbath album! |
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| screamin' for vangence~~, I can listen to it from 11 at night to the next morning |
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KING DIAMOND "THE PUPPET MASTER" 2003
There are 12 King Diamond studio albums....I like 3 of them....Fatal Portrait,Voodoo and 2003's "The Puppet Master".
This album is like watching a morbid dark play from the 18th century!! This is a heavy metal album sprinkled with some gothic "opera" done the right way!!!!
I don't like that many King Diamond records,but this one is a MUST have for heavy metal fans!!! |
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| My classic heavy metal album of the day is Leviathan - Mastodon ( 2004 ). |
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| [flashrockinman] Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:59:26 PM | |
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 kill the king this will wake you up! |
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 73 this album ruled enjoy |
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| [Painkiller87] Thursday, June 04, 2009 2:58:54 PM | |
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Ride The Lightning - Metallica
My Favorite Metallica album and contains my fav song Creeping Death. |
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| [flashrockinman] Thursday, June 04, 2009 2:23:20 PM | |
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 something from the past...........................polar nights crank it up!!!! |
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:40:51 PM | |
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Very well Done..:)
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:40:15 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | 
1976
Need I say anymore? LOL! Pure excellence.
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:40:15 PM | |
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1976
Need I say anymore? LOL! Pure excellence.
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| [Before The Rage] Friday, May 29, 2009 1:47:17 AM | |
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ha... I only got into Gamma Ray maybe 3 or 4 years ago... but they quickly became one of my top metal bands. dunno, they're quite catchy.
today's album:
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:14:02 PM) |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, May 28, 2009 1:10:18 PM | |
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 Yeah,its a great album....thanks to DelivererOfEvil,I was able to recognize this album and now I own it.
Anybody who likes Saxon,old Iron Maiden and of course our own Judas Priest 9 times out of 10 would like this album no question. Excellent heavy metal
by these German heavy metal legends.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by paorcamp from Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:30:21 AM)
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oh that's great...MY FAVORITE RUNNING WILD ALBUM!!!! good for you man!!
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RUNNING WILD BLACK HAND INN 1994
Excellent traditional heavy metal perfect for fans of styles of Judas Priest,Saxon and old Iron maiden with Paul Di Anno. |
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| [Bazookajoe_666] Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:54:53 AM | |
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Check btjunkie.com
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:14:12 PM)| | | DelivererofEvil wrote: | | I've been told WONDERS about that album, but I still haven't managed to download it, and getting an original is simply insane since it goes over 200 € on ebays, etc.
Do you have a link to it, JD?
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STORMTROOPER ARMIES OF THE NIGHT 1985
Old, rare heavy metal from the U.S.A. |
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| [paorcamp] Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:30:21 AM | |
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oh that's great...MY FAVORITE RUNNING WILD ALBUM!!!! good for you man!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:51:06 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | |
RUNNING WILD BLACK HAND INN 1994
Excellent traditional heavy metal perfect for fans of styles of Judas Priest,Saxon and old Iron maiden with Paul Di Anno. |
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