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[Nicky007] Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:45:41 AM 
OK, Mike, I'l buy your argument in part. I should have written "the subject of languages and linguistics". Then I could have used singular without complications.

OK, I learned something there   

Yeah, you already told me that you'v slashed alcohol. But nowadays one can get excellent non-alcoholic beer, in Denmark iac.

My approach to posting is that if there's something that I find interesting, and I myself have somethin to add that I expect others to find interesting, well, then I post. As simple as that.

I propose that we be less critical of each other in this forum, and more inclusive.


It's quite possible that some of the newbies who have been banned or who have left in frustration could have been wonderful regulars had they not been "pummeled".

Nicky.   [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 26, 2010 10:12:47 AM) Edited at: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:46:49 AM Edited at: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:47:09 AM
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[Budred] Friday, February 26, 2010 11:26:48 AM 
I did it again.I'm really having troubles with the he/she thing.
 I'm glad I'm married. If I went to a bar to pick up a girl I would probably
  come home with a tranny.(LOL)
          No disrespect to trannies!

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Friday, February 26, 2010 9:42:05 AM)
[guidogodoy] Friday, February 26, 2010 10:57:59 AM 
"Not out to improve our structure, spelling, grammar and punctuation" (notice the lack of the last comma?). THAT is a point upon which to argue were I to care about "nitpicking."

In my eyes, you are the one being far too serious. I have yet to see you acknowledge when you are wrong (you tend to use double negatives improprely: "neither...NOR), and you are just pulling things from an online dictionary. Not condescending? I ask yet again, do you read what you write? You want to "test" us yet you don't seem to have gotten far in school as per your own admission. It is clear in your own sentence structure and misuse / poor spelling of certain words. Most of us do not care to comment, myself included, as you seem to take it FAR too seriously. Numbering your response?! You don't find that more than a bit anal?

Nope, that is why I also stay away from such threads (and, quite frankly, people). While you claim to be willing to learn, I have yet to see it. Especially when you are "kindly" corrected by those with superior degrees and travel experience.

This is not what is going on here. You state a word / point and use an online dictionary to try and defend yourself. Please refer to point #3. "Languages and linguistics" ARE two separate terms as many a grade-school child could tell you. Argue all you wish but it is a fact. Perhaps with more formal training in the hobby you so love, you'll come to realize that many of us not only hold advanced degrees in languages AND lingustics (different disciplines) but we also choose not to waste our time trying to convince someone that the sky is blue. Perhaps why we also hold jobs that permit us to buy all the JP albums we like without having to "save up."

The last point you'll hear from me on this subject as well as I'll now keep to my word and avoid this thread.
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[Deep Freeze] Friday, February 26, 2010 10:12:47 AM 
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Point by point, eh??  Hmm..well, as you wish.

I do not drink therefore, I will not be getting a beer. My sex life is irrelevant and I was out getting medicine for my wife, not fecal matter. As for your "unusual" words, I AM "having fun". You seem to be taking ME too seriously. 

Languages and Linguistics are NOT mutually inclusive terms simply because they are defined as similar subject matter (I thought you learned THAT stuff in school??)  and I assumed you meant them as they are properly defined. Again, perhaps I was mistaken. It could simply be where one went to school, eh? I will not argue that you can refer to them as a "passion" and perhaps use them as one in a singular, inclusive thought but it was my understanding that we were "having fun" AND learning...?  Mistaken again, I'm afraid.

I choose to "take you" as you present yourself. Nothing more, nothing less. The good folks of this Board are not all that "serious" but they do have feelings and thoughts of thier own. Concepts notwithstanding, I believe it is important to say what one means and say it as well as one can. If this is a matter of me taking things in the wrong context, perhaps I would be better served by keeping MY thoughts out of this particular Thread?  No offense, of course. I would rather just avoid a silly "tit for tat" argument.

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[Budred] Friday, February 26, 2010 9:42:05 AM 
I'm not a linguist but it sounds like #5 is her way of telling you to kiss her ass.(LOL)
  Am I reading too deeply?
[Nicky007] Friday, February 26, 2010 9:30:26 AM 
OK, Mike, let's just do it point by point:

1. You do not have errands to run. You don't need all that shit. Eat the fruit you already have at home, and drink a beer tonight (and get l...) 

2. Guys, I honestly thought we'd have some fun with those unusual words. You guys are sooooo serious, and sooooo nitpicking. Man !  I'm not out to improve your "structure, spelling, grammar, and punctuation". I hope you learned that stuff in school. And if not, too bad. And it's OK, dude, I'l take ya as ya are

3. "Languages and linguistics". That's a concept, Mike, where the two words belong together - just like "linguistics" is singular. It would have sounded stupid to say "Languages and linguistics are passions with me", cause it's one passion. I really thought about that one. I think one can use both singular and plural, and argue for both, and I chose the singular form, cause I found that it described my condition best.

4. You'l see that it's my style, and I hope you'l take me as I am

5. I'l gladly take the "brotherly love", but leave the "kisses" for yer wife. With her, you can also place'm where ya want

Nicky.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 26, 2010 8:59:29 AM)
[Head banger] Friday, February 26, 2010 9:06:28 AM 
exactly.  a blasphemous remark.  not currently in use.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Friday, February 26, 2010 7:20:16 AM)
[Deep Freeze] Friday, February 26, 2010 8:59:29 AM 
I cannot stay long this morning, as I have errands to run, but I simply must make a quick comment regarding this Thread.

While I am always very pleased to see that there are members trying to improve their language skills, I hardly think that posting a few fancy words from a dictionary and providing definitions are what I had in mind!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I mean, I do appreciate the effort but I should think that , if we truly want to improve our writing, we should further examine our  STRUCTURE as well as spelling, grammar and punctuation! As an example;

And it so happens that languages and linguistics is a passion with me  ... Very nice, however, when one employs plurals (languages AND linguistics) one would use the plural combining form "are"  to express the state of being or possession. Also, when using contractions, we must remember that a contraction is a shortening of a word or word group and needs to include the proper word abbreviation to be accurate. Example ;  You'll find that I am.. not you'l.  You are contracting (shortening) the word "will" and are required to use both "l"s for the contraction to be properly completed.

Sorry to pick on you, Nicky but this IS your Thread! HAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! It's nice to see interest in "languages" and "linguistics", however, I am really hoping to see improvement in our structure first!!! Pulling words from a dictionary is far too easy.  HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!    (*Kisses* and "brotherly" love).   HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


[Budred] Friday, February 26, 2010 8:29:53 AM 
I'm familiar with how Priest got the name, I'm curious as to what the term actually stands for and/or where it originated.
There is an old B&W movie called Judas Priest and I've heard the term mentioned in old movies as well. 
  ...Anyone?...

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Friday, February 26, 2010 7:45:28 AM)
[Vaillant 3.0] Friday, February 26, 2010 7:45:28 AM 
"Judas Priest" was used as the name of a person in Bob Dylan's song "The Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest". That was where the band got the name and used it ever since. Plus, the name itself does have a bit of the "shock factor" to it, being that it has the name Judas and the word priest in it...a sort of light/dark combination that most people either like or dislike.
[Nicky007] Friday, February 26, 2010 7:31:02 AM 
Seconded, by all means !!!

I'v also wondered a lot about that.

There's a very dramatic moment in the Bible (ya know, that big fantasy book), where Judas calls upon the high priests, but as to the compaction "Judas Priest", I'm lost 

Nicky.
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[Nicky007] Friday, February 26, 2010 7:23:09 AM 
Thanks, Strat !

I have to admit that I didnt either know about "unexceptionable" till about a year ago

It's also a hard one, took me quite some effort to get into place.


un·ex·cep·tion·a·ble

[uhn-ik-sep-shuh-nuh-buhl]
–adjective


not offering any basis for exception or objection; beyond criticism: an unexceptionable record of achievement.
 
Origin:
1655–65; un-1 + exceptionable

un·ex·cep·tion·a·ble·ness, noun
un·ex·cep·tion·a·bly, adverb

unexceptionable, unexceptional.

Usage Note: The confusion between unexceptionable and unexceptional is understandable, since both derive from the noun exception. Unexceptionable takes its meaning from exception in the sense "objection," as in the idiom take exception to ("find fault with, object to"). Thus unexceptionable is commendatory, meaning "not open to any objection or criticism," as in A judge's ethical standards should be unexceptionable. Unexceptional, by contrast, is related to the adjective exceptional ("outstanding, above average), which takes its meaning from exception in the sense "an unusual case"; thus unexceptional generally has a somewhat negative meaning, "not superior, run-of-the-mill" as in Some judges' ethical standards have unfortunately been unexceptional.

- Dictionary.com



I think that the example in the Usage Note is very good:  A judge's ethical standards (or judgement) should be unexceptionable. If you ponder long enough on that, you should get "unexceptionable" into place.

Nicky.
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[Budred] Friday, February 26, 2010 7:20:16 AM 
I know who Judas is and I know what a priest is. I've heard the term Judas Priest used in old movies.
I take it to be a "Goddamn" type of remark.
 Any insight as to where the term came from and what it actually means?
[Nicky007] Friday, February 26, 2010 7:04:34 AM 
OK, now we're talkin, Guido.

The "pompous" I can understand, I'v heard it before, but that's cause I don't like to hold back with the knowledge that I actually have. Likewise you'l notice that I am very open to learning from others stuff that I don't know yet - and I'm aware that there's a lot more that I don't know than that I do know.

Also re "pompous", I like to banter a lot, but as I said in the beginning, I try to respect people's feelings. I'v already made one apology on this board, and I'l readily make more, where merited. But till now I can only acknowledge this one time when I overstepped limits of decency, and honestly, I wasnt aware of the circumstances beforehand.

The "condescending" is not on my part. As I also wrote, I, if anyone, regard every other being on this planet as equal to me. I have some more experiences and knowledge in some areas, and others have'm in other areas. I mean, isnt that why we're here ?  To share and learn from each other ?

And it so happens that languages and linguistics is a passion with me, and I'v worked excruciatingly hard to gain the knowledge that I have in this field. (I never took courses in languages beyond high school.) Further, I felt that there was enough interest from other members to start this thread and write my stuff in the other threads.

So, Guido, with this exchange, I'm willing to brush away all bad feelings between us and continue in a friendly and respectful manner, hopefully also bantering.

I gladly accept and consider all types of personal criticism, if it's rendered in a friendly and respectful manner. Else, I tend to ignore unnecessarily base comments directed towards me (not always towards others), unless it affects the general discussion climate, at which I react, as I did here.

Honestly, after having been born in an academic environment and lived in it for 45 of my 55 years (my Dad is professor in physics and I almost took a MSc in maths and physics), and then left it (apart from good friends) ten years ago, I really care f*a* about status and titles. Honestly !  Almost all of these guys are totally ignorant about Judas Priest, Dream Theater, Symphony X etc etc, and to my mind they'r thus missing something far far bigger than all those claps on their shoulders. Trust me, I know the academic world, and particularly I know its limits - tho I speak and write like an academic. But what dya wanna do about that ? Give me a lobotomy ?

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[guidogodoy] Friday, February 26, 2010 6:17:46 AM 
Likewise, you should notice that some find your statements pompous and condescending.

No worries. Had you been around for at least 100 posts, you would have found that I make a habit of avoiding topics that deal with education, politics and religion. I get far too much of that in my day job as a chimney sweep.
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[Nicky007] Friday, February 26, 2010 3:44:41 AM 
Yeah, I was of course kiddin, Mike  

If there's one area where I absolutely don't wanna manipulate, it's faith and religion

Nicky.
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[Nicky007] Friday, February 26, 2010 3:31:22 AM 

Right, Headbanger !

cox·swain

–noun
1. the steersman of a racing shell.
2. a person who is in charge of a ship's boat and its crew, under an officer, and who steers it.
 
 
 
 
Origin:
1425–75; late ME cokeswayne. See cockboat, swain



There is a difference between cockscomb and coxcomb :

cocks·comb

[koks-kohm] Show IPA
–noun
1.
the comb or caruncle of a cock.
2.
the cap, resembling a cock's comb, formerly worn by professional fools.
3.
a garden plant, Celosia cristata, of the amaranth family, with flowers, commonly crimson or purple, in a broad spike somewhat resembling the comb of a cock.
4.
any of several other species of the genus Celosia.
5.
an elongate prickleback, Anoplarchus purpurescens, living among submerged rocks along the Pacific coast of North America.
6.
a gaslight burner having four or more jets.
7.
coxcomb (def. 1).
 
 
 
Origin:
1350–1400; ME; see cock, 's1, comb1

 

cox·comb

[koks-kohm]

–noun

1. a conceited, foolish dandy; pretentious fop.

2. Archaic. head; pate.

3. Obsolete. cockscomb (def. 2).

Origin: 1565–75; sp. var. of cockscomb


cox·comb·i·cal  cox·comb·ic, adjective

cox·comb·i·cal·ly, adverb

1. dude, popinjay, jackanapes.

All dictionary.com.

(I tried to improve the typography here, but it turned out to be rather difficult.) 

Nicky.

 
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[Nicky007] Friday, February 26, 2010 3:14:53 AM 

Vail, I think you mean:

so·phros·y·ne

[ suh-fros-uh-nee]
–noun 

moderation; discretion; prudence.
 

Origin:
< Gk sôphrosýnç, deriv. of sṓphrôn prudent

- Dictionary.com

Nicky.
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[Nicky007] Friday, February 26, 2010 3:06:24 AM 
Guido, we might not be sharing that much at the moment, but you ought to accept that some people find my stuff interesting.

You should stop acting like a censor here.

Why do you need to create so much negativity ?

Respond to the posts that you find interesting, and let the other discussions go by.

Nicky.   [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:30:55 PM)
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[Vaillant 3.0] Thursday, February 25, 2010 11:19:16 PM 
How about "sophroseny"?
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