| [Justin Kenny] Monday, June 16, 2008 10:53:32 AM | |
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To Timboni and Deep Freeze:
In keeping with the tradition of the thread, I actually DO love to write, and admittedly...I don't get very many chances to do it. Given the pace of my 'day job' and trying to balance that with the love I have for my family who wait patiently for my nightly return, Lord knows it isn't easy! I have, however...considered very seriously the idea of writing SOMETHING....just don't know what yet. I have certain considerations in the back of my mind, but..like anything else--it's all about timing. The time to be able to sit down...organize my thoughts and get 'em all down in a manner that makes it a worthwhile read.
Time will tell gentlemen...if it's meant to happen, it'll happen...
In the meantime and in between time, I thank you for the kind critique!! |
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| [Deep Freeze] Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:46:50 PM | |
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I agree with you , Tim. Justin is one of the very few articulate and eloquent writers of the Board. And to be one at such a young age!!! I truly agree with you!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:10:18 AM)| |  | TIMBONI wrote: | | Sorry for straying from the subject, but have you ever considered writing as a career. You really do have a way of captivating people with your words. Passionate, insightful and I wanted to read EVERY word. Sorry if I am avoiding the point of the thread, but beside a spot on interpretation of the subject, you really should write. You are an "interesting read ". By the way, I also liked the Mark Twain like "language of the people" instead of getting all heady about it.
| | | Justin Kenny wrote: | | I dunno if this will thoroughly answer DF's questions (however poignantly asked...as I've pondered much of the same things), or..for that matter...ANYONE'S questions...but this is how I see it:
Love is fathomless. We truly do NOT have dominion over love and its fathomless, most ambiguous of meanings. Capturing it is difficult enough...defining it is tougher. But if you think about it, love is a rather primordial emotion. We love our family, we love our closest friends, we may have even loved one of our teachers that really made an impact on us at one point or another. If you ask me...the REAL challenge is-- do you LIKE a given person? What is it about them you LIKE?? Do you like that person enough to want them around day in and day out?? I'm sure a healthy number of us have said something along the lines of, "....I dunno...I love (so-and-so) and all...I don't wish him/her dead or anything...but right about now, I don't like him/her." So...does this mean that liking someone is a bit more important than loving them??
We feel the burn of losing one we love (be it by death, a breakup, or what have you) because of the time and energy we invested in that person. Yes..it may seem like a futile, hopeless waste of time when we are grappling with the emotions of having lost the one(s) we love(d)...but what keeps us coming back for more (I think) is what our souls resonate to our conscious minds. It is our souls that yearn to feel and give the love we're capable of administering...especially when we've had the qualitative time to grieve and get over the loss of a love we once enjoyed. Think about those among us who lost a spouse. As time goes on (and its time that varies from individual to individual), the one who survived the loss could find themselves in love again and could marry again for it. Does that mean they've forgotten the one they loved and lost? Of course not. The memory of that person is very much alive and well. Often we hear people lament, "...I'll never love another person again the way I loved so-and-so..." Well, of course you won't. The next person you fall in love with (or find love with) will be a whole 'nother individual--with their own personality, humor, character and idiosyncrasies; the love given that person in turn will be different in dynamic and energy from the way they felt 'love' for the person they lost...and yet, if the relationship is good and complete...and they LIKE that new person...it will still have a feel of completion. It's our souls that tell us whether or not that completion we seek has been found....hence the answer to the age old question, "How do you know you found it!??"
".....you just know...." |
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| [TIMBONI] Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:10:18 AM | |
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Sorry for straying from the subject, but have you ever considered writing as a career. You really do have a way of captivating people with your words. Passionate, insightful and I wanted to read EVERY word. Sorry if I am avoiding the point of the thread, but beside a spot on interpretation of the subject, you really should write. You are an "interesting read ". By the way, I also liked the Mark Twain like "language of the people" instead of getting all heady about it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Justin Kenny from Monday, June 09, 2008 11:18:11 AM)| | | Justin Kenny wrote: | | I dunno if this will thoroughly answer DF's questions (however poignantly asked...as I've pondered much of the same things), or..for that matter...ANYONE'S questions...but this is how I see it:
Love is fathomless. We truly do NOT have dominion over love and its fathomless, most ambiguous of meanings. Capturing it is difficult enough...defining it is tougher. But if you think about it, love is a rather primordial emotion. We love our family, we love our closest friends, we may have even loved one of our teachers that really made an impact on us at one point or another. If you ask me...the REAL challenge is-- do you LIKE a given person? What is it about them you LIKE?? Do you like that person enough to want them around day in and day out?? I'm sure a healthy number of us have said something along the lines of, "....I dunno...I love (so-and-so) and all...I don't wish him/her dead or anything...but right about now, I don't like him/her." So...does this mean that liking someone is a bit more important than loving them??
We feel the burn of losing one we love (be it by death, a breakup, or what have you) because of the time and energy we invested in that person. Yes..it may seem like a futile, hopeless waste of time when we are grappling with the emotions of having lost the one(s) we love(d)...but what keeps us coming back for more (I think) is what our souls resonate to our conscious minds. It is our souls that yearn to feel and give the love we're capable of administering...especially when we've had the qualitative time to grieve and get over the loss of a love we once enjoyed. Think about those among us who lost a spouse. As time goes on (and its time that varies from individual to individual), the one who survived the loss could find themselves in love again and could marry again for it. Does that mean they've forgotten the one they loved and lost? Of course not. The memory of that person is very much alive and well. Often we hear people lament, "...I'll never love another person again the way I loved so-and-so..." Well, of course you won't. The next person you fall in love with (or find love with) will be a whole 'nother individual--with their own personality, humor, character and idiosyncrasies; the love given that person in turn will be different in dynamic and energy from the way they felt 'love' for the person they lost...and yet, if the relationship is good and complete...and they LIKE that new person...it will still have a feel of completion. It's our souls that tell us whether or not that completion we seek has been found....hence the answer to the age old question, "How do you know you found it!??"
".....you just know...." |
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Monday, June 09, 2008 1:45:25 PM | |
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Freeze.. Heres a poem I came across years ago.. And have never forgotten it.
Never say I love you….if you don’t really care.
Never talk about feelings….if they aren’t really there.
Never hold my hand….if you are going to break my heart.
Never say you are going to….if you don’t plan to start.
Never look into my eyes….if all you do is lie.
Never say hello….if you really mean goodbye.
If you really mean forever…then say you will try.
Never say forever…..cause forever makes me cry. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Monday, June 09, 2008 1:03:10 PM | |
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I took a walk to today, trying to forget. I thought perhaps the sun would warm the icy coldness that seems to have taken hold of me. I thought that I could forget.
I came across a man with no arms and I thought; here is a man that will not toil long hours.
I came across a man with no legs and I thought; here is a man that will not make an arduous journey.
I came across a blind man and I thought; here is a man that will never cry.
I came across a deaf man and I thought; here is a man that will never hear a lie.
When I came home, I found that I could not forget. No matter how much I try, you are still here. I passed by a mirror and I glanced in and I thought; here is a man that will never love again. This is the saddest man of all. |
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Monday, June 09, 2008 11:56:13 AM | |
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AWW Justin.. that was awsome.. Very well said....
This is one of the many reasons, I love the people on this site! Iam so glad I found you all.... You have helped through a great deal.... AS you all have others..
Thankyou for being, true honest and honorable..... It means alot to everyone..........
Freeze We all Love you and you are in our hearts...
From one fan/friend to another..
Marla MG
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Justin Kenny from Monday, June 09, 2008 11:18:11 AM)| | | Justin Kenny wrote: | | I dunno if this will thoroughly answer DF's questions (however poignantly asked...as I've pondered much of the same things), or..for that matter...ANYONE'S questions...but this is how I see it:
Love is fathomless. We truly do NOT have dominion over love and its fathomless, most ambiguous of meanings. Capturing it is difficult enough...defining it is tougher. But if you think about it, love is a rather primordial emotion. We love our family, we love our closest friends, we may have even loved one of our teachers that really made an impact on us at one point or another. If you ask me...the REAL challenge is-- do you LIKE a given person? What is it about them you LIKE?? Do you like that person enough to want them around day in and day out?? I'm sure a healthy number of us have said something along the lines of, "....I dunno...I love (so-and-so) and all...I don't wish him/her dead or anything...but right about now, I don't like him/her." So...does this mean that liking someone is a bit more important than loving them??
We feel the burn of losing one we love (be it by death, a breakup, or what have you) because of the time and energy we invested in that person. Yes..it may seem like a futile, hopeless waste of time when we are grappling with the emotions of having lost the one(s) we love(d)...but what keeps us coming back for more (I think) is what our souls resonate to our conscious minds. It is our souls that yearn to feel and give the love we're capable of administering...especially when we've had the qualitative time to grieve and get over the loss of a love we once enjoyed. Think about those among us who lost a spouse. As time goes on (and its time that varies from individual to individual), the one who survived the loss could find themselves in love again and could marry again for it. Does that mean they've forgotten the one they loved and lost? Of course not. The memory of that person is very much alive and well. Often we hear people lament, "...I'll never love another person again the way I loved so-and-so..." Well, of course you won't. The next person you fall in love with (or find love with) will be a whole 'nother individual--with their own personality, humor, character and idiosyncrasies; the love given that person in turn will be different in dynamic and energy from the way they felt 'love' for the person they lost...and yet, if the relationship is good and complete...and they LIKE that new person...it will still have a feel of completion. It's our souls that tell us whether or not that completion we seek has been found....hence the answer to the age old question, "How do you know you found it!??"
".....you just know...." |
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| [Deep Freeze] Monday, June 09, 2008 11:23:04 AM | |
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Incredible. VERY well said, Justin. I am humbled.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Justin Kenny from Monday, June 09, 2008 11:18:11 AM)| | | Justin Kenny wrote: | | I dunno if this will thoroughly answer DF's questions (however poignantly asked...as I've pondered much of the same things), or..for that matter...ANYONE'S questions...but this is how I see it:
Love is fathomless. We truly do NOT have dominion over love and its fathomless, most ambiguous of meanings. Capturing it is difficult enough...defining it is tougher. But if you think about it, love is a rather primordial emotion. We love our family, we love our closest friends, we may have even loved one of our teachers that really made an impact on us at one point or another. If you ask me...the REAL challenge is-- do you LIKE a given person? What is it about them you LIKE?? Do you like that person enough to want them around day in and day out?? I'm sure a healthy number of us have said something along the lines of, "....I dunno...I love (so-and-so) and all...I don't wish him/her dead or anything...but right about now, I don't like him/her." So...does this mean that liking someone is a bit more important than loving them??
We feel the burn of losing one we love (be it by death, a breakup, or what have you) because of the time and energy we invested in that person. Yes..it may seem like a futile, hopeless waste of time when we are grappling with the emotions of having lost the one(s) we love(d)...but what keeps us coming back for more (I think) is what our souls resonate to our conscious minds. It is our souls that yearn to feel and give the love we're capable of administering...especially when we've had the qualitative time to grieve and get over the loss of a love we once enjoyed. Think about those among us who lost a spouse. As time goes on (and its time that varies from individual to individual), the one who survived the loss could find themselves in love again and could marry again for it. Does that mean they've forgotten the one they loved and lost? Of course not. The memory of that person is very much alive and well. Often we hear people lament, "...I'll never love another person again the way I loved so-and-so..." Well, of course you won't. The next person you fall in love with (or find love with) will be a whole 'nother individual--with their own personality, humor, character and idiosyncrasies; the love given that person in turn will be different in dynamic and energy from the way they felt 'love' for the person they lost...and yet, if the relationship is good and complete...and they LIKE that new person...it will still have a feel of completion. It's our souls that tell us whether or not that completion we seek has been found....hence the answer to the age old question, "How do you know you found it!??"
".....you just know...." |
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| [Justin Kenny] Monday, June 09, 2008 11:18:11 AM | |
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I dunno if this will thoroughly answer DF's questions (however poignantly asked...as I've pondered much of the same things), or..for that matter...ANYONE'S questions...but this is how I see it:
Love is fathomless. We truly do NOT have dominion over love and its fathomless, most ambiguous of meanings. Capturing it is difficult enough...defining it is tougher. But if you think about it, love is a rather primordial emotion. We love our family, we love our closest friends, we may have even loved one of our teachers that really made an impact on us at one point or another. If you ask me...the REAL challenge is-- do you LIKE a given person? What is it about them you LIKE?? Do you like that person enough to want them around day in and day out?? I'm sure a healthy number of us have said something along the lines of, "....I dunno...I love (so-and-so) and all...I don't wish him/her dead or anything...but right about now, I don't like him/her." So...does this mean that liking someone is a bit more important than loving them??
We feel the burn of losing one we love (be it by death, a breakup, or what have you) because of the time and energy we invested in that person. Yes..it may seem like a futile, hopeless waste of time when we are grappling with the emotions of having lost the one(s) we love(d)...but what keeps us coming back for more (I think) is what our souls resonate to our conscious minds. It is our souls that yearn to feel and give the love we're capable of administering...especially when we've had the qualitative time to grieve and get over the loss of a love we once enjoyed. Think about those among us who lost a spouse. As time goes on (and its time that varies from individual to individual), the one who survived the loss could find themselves in love again and could marry again for it. Does that mean they've forgotten the one they loved and lost? Of course not. The memory of that person is very much alive and well. Often we hear people lament, "...I'll never love another person again the way I loved so-and-so..." Well, of course you won't. The next person you fall in love with (or find love with) will be a whole 'nother individual--with their own personality, humor, character and idiosyncrasies; the love given that person in turn will be different in dynamic and energy from the way they felt 'love' for the person they lost...and yet, if the relationship is good and complete...and they LIKE that new person...it will still have a feel of completion. It's our souls that tell us whether or not that completion we seek has been found....hence the answer to the age old question, "How do you know you found it!??"
".....you just know...." |
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| [Vaillant 3.0] Monday, June 09, 2008 10:49:50 AM | |
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Because we can never be completely satisfied with what we have. It hurts us because it involves getting becoming actively involved with other humans, and meeting their wants and needs instead of our own. I know it sounds wierd, but thats my opinion.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, June 09, 2008 10:27:47 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | WHY?
Can anyone tell me why it is we do the things we do in the name of love? How is it that an otherwise sane, rational human being can become so irratic and unstable, all in the name of love?
We have written songs about love. About breakups. About the pain of love loss. The anguish of another taking what is yours. The heartache. Much has been said about love and its pain. Do we really know why? Why do we allow ourselves to be loved? Why do we love? Anyone that has truly loved has known the agony of loss. The deep, heartwrenching throb of emptiness. Why do we do it?
For all that we as human beings have accomplished, this one little question has continued to plague us. We know that all things end. We know that nothing lasts forever. We know that, eventually, the flower of true love begins to wilt in the light of time and circumstance and slowly begins its decent back to the ground from whence it sprung. The thorns of devotion pierce our fingers as we continually grasp at the stem of adoration, hoping...praying...pleading that we can somehow resurrect the beauty that once was and keep it alive. That we can somehow hold on as the petals of happiness fall slowly, spiraling in soft circles through the warm summer air as they leave us alone and lost. Emptiness.
Why do we do it? Why can't we see the futility? There is no strength in man that gives him dominion over love. There is no heart so hard that it cannot be lanced by the foil of desperation. Desperation. As we struggle with all our might to hang on. To keep love close. To bask in the glow of love's grand and all-encompassing power. Yet, as the flower dies, and we reach one last time to hold the beauty of once was, we look to our empty hand....and weep. Why?
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| [Deep Freeze] Monday, June 09, 2008 10:27:47 AM | |
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WHY?
Can anyone tell me why it is we do the things we do in the name of love? How is it that an otherwise sane, rational human being can become so irratic and unstable, all in the name of love?
We have written songs about love. About breakups. About the pain of love loss. The anguish of another taking what is yours. The heartache. Much has been said about love and its pain. Do we really know why? Why do we allow ourselves to be loved? Why do we love? Anyone that has truly loved has known the agony of loss. The deep, heartwrenching throb of emptiness. Why do we do it?
For all that we as human beings have accomplished, this one little question has continued to plague us. We know that all things end. We know that nothing lasts forever. We know that, eventually, the flower of true love begins to wilt in the light of time and circumstance and slowly begins its decent back to the ground from whence it sprung. The thorns of devotion pierce our fingers as we continually grasp at the stem of adoration, hoping...praying...pleading that we can somehow resurrect the beauty that once was and keep it alive. That we can somehow hold on as the petals of happiness fall slowly, spiraling in soft circles through the warm summer air as they leave us alone and lost. Emptiness.
Why do we do it? Why can't we see the futility? There is no strength in man that gives him dominion over love. There is no heart so hard that it cannot be lanced by the foil of desperation. Desperation. As we struggle with all our might to hang on. To keep love close. To bask in the glow of love's grand and all-encompassing power. Yet, as the flower dies, and we reach one last time to hold the beauty of once was, we look to our empty hand....and weep. Why?
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