| [ron h] Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:42:16 PM | |
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Head Banger, It's sad to hear what happened. I can and will speak only of my experiences. I am close to the end of my 3 year term, and it's the first time I've held a union position. Aside from that, I have been a union member for a total of 12 years. I, like yourself, have witnessed injustices in the workplace such as the one you wrote about. To me, the union's credibility lies with the elected representatives, who's job it is to protect the innocent victims. If you have officers who lack moral conviction and a sense of responsibility and obligation to the workers they represent, then they are the worst types of people there are. I run an honest union. I make no excuses for the violators of workplace conduct. If they (and a few have tried) want to file a DFR (Duty to Fair Representation) charge, so be it. That is not why I do this job or take my responsibilities lightly. It's hard enough having to deal with bad management without dealing with situations like we're discussing here. It is my responsibility, as the Chairman, to co-ordinate the Committee persons (grievers/stewards) and collectively we decide whether to file grievances or not. In the case in your workplace, that injustice had to be a co-ordinated effort by the entire board, and they should have ALL been held accountable, that is why you attend union meetings. The collective group of all the workers is the union, not the elected officers, we are subject to the workforce, that is who we, as officers, answer to. Something like that has not happened in my workplace under my watch, and it never will!!! Hold your officers accountable!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:29:15 AM)| |  | Head banger wrote: | | sorry, I am late with a reply, got busy and forgot. anyway, if the union was only ever protecting the ones discriminated against, fine and well, but if a union employee harasses a union employee, the company fires the harasser, the union defends them, attacking their own member who was harassed. happened at my work, and the girl who was harassed ended up quiting, and spending some time in treatment, because of the way her union defended her attacker.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | If there were no bias or clicks or favorites or discrimination or sexual harassment or many, many other things that go on in the workplace then no, there wouldn't be a need. BUT THERE IS!!! Always have been, always will be. If you can put an end to all of that and leave it only up to an individuals' production, then there wouldn't be a need for protection. How many women have been fired for filing a sexual harassment charge? Or even worse, how many women don't file a charge out of fear of being terminated (or worse)?
| | | Head banger wrote: | | if your a good worker, why do you need protection? who would fire a good worker?
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Not true. In the Right to Work states, as the one I live in, employers do not even have to have a reason to terminate an employee. So, no, the worker does not have the right to say what he/she wants, there is no standing up for yourself without the risk of being terminated. How just is that?
| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | Why does your worker need you to speak for him? Can he not speak for himself through his own work? That's what counts.....the work. We speak of downsizing larger governenments in the betterment of the process. And yet, the unions need to maintain their control over the worker. We complain of the government pulling our strings. And yet allow unions to pull the strings of the employee to slow down progress and upward mobility.
You know what brings a worker to the same level as his employer? Hard work and production. THAT is power.
a. Hammerstein 
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Do we actually read posts before posting. I wrote that I vote based on the candidates past voting record. What did I post that makes you post that the union buys this or tells you to do that. It's nowhere in my postings.
I do what I do in my union because I believe in workers rights, fair representation, and having a say in my working conditions. Unions allow workers to do that. A business? As long as there's an IRS, everything is a business. There are costs involved in forming a union. There's rental of space for meetings, travel and training expenses. Let's not kid ourselves here, nothing is free, my friends.
I posted some facts and quotes to support my position, and I have plenty more. All this generalizing just leads me to believe that some postings on this issue is just the same old rhetoric I hear from my bosses.
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| [ron h] Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:21:44 PM | |
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Did I say the media was fair? I said it depends on what station (or something to that effect). Each news/ show/program seems to have their own slant depending on who they favor. Is that a fair? Absolutely not. I don't even really watch news programs and never claimed to, and for that very reason, there is no down the middle, only the facts allowed program that I am aware of. If there is, please do tell, then I might watch, but I'd rather watch and root for my Cubs in the playoffs. My points of view are mine and mine alone. I shared them on this board and am willing to discuss and learn (I've posted as such). Closed minded? I'm about as open minded as they come. Hell, I wish there was a third candidate to choose from, but we're stuck with these two, and like every other American I have to choose the one who I think will serve my best interests better than other. Hence, I choose Obama.
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:33:14 AM | |
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[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:17:37 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | and, thank fuck the two morons want it, so I can get out.
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| [Head banger] Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:29:32 AM | |
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no one has your best interests at heart beter than you.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Friday, September 26, 2008 5:21:10 PM)| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | Once again, why oh why does the company have to take care of you after you retire? Use your own smarts and set up yopur own future. That's the mind-set that separates the average from the high achievers. Your pension should NEVER be your only source of retirement income. Who here doesn't have some sort of retirement strategy in place? If you don't, then you're a jobber that's relying on your companyb to take care of you. Wrong. You take care of you.
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| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Let me also add this, our seniors, who have already worked hard their entire lives, deserve a secure and dignified retirement. McCain calls the current system of guaranteed monthly benefits for retirees an "absolute disgrace." He voted for Bush's plan to put Social Security funds into risky private accounts. Obama supports guaranteed monthly benefits earned by seniors. He opposes risky private accounts, which will slash benefits for seniors. I think we all know the state of SS benefits, but if there is going to be reform in this area, they have to come up with something a hell of a lot better than this. We've all spent our entire working lives paying for this by way of taxes out of every single paycheck, and to take a risky chance of losing it all? How can this be acceptable? This is the best we can do?
Thanks Painkiller and VOM for showing respect in this messed up world of politics. At the end of the day we may not all agree with each other, but I learn as much as I share when it comes to the issues, and it helps when opposing sides aren't going at each other's throats.
| | | Painkiller1990 wrote: | | It's not hard at all, Ron. Just tell us what McCain has voted for you disagree with regarding "labor" That's your main concern, I can appreciate that, but give me some specifics.
BTW, you should know that I am no McCain fan, but I know how bad the alternatives are.
So, if you don't mind, give me three specific things McCain has voted for which makes you think Obama would be a better president.
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| [Head banger] Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:29:15 AM | |
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sorry, I am late with a reply, got busy and forgot. anyway, if the union was only ever protecting the ones discriminated against, fine and well, but if a union employee harasses a union employee, the company fires the harasser, the union defends them, attacking their own member who was harassed. happened at my work, and the girl who was harassed ended up quiting, and spending some time in treatment, because of the way her union defended her attacker.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:44:16 PM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | If there were no bias or clicks or favorites or discrimination or sexual harassment or many, many other things that go on in the workplace then no, there wouldn't be a need. BUT THERE IS!!! Always have been, always will be. If you can put an end to all of that and leave it only up to an individuals' production, then there wouldn't be a need for protection. How many women have been fired for filing a sexual harassment charge? Or even worse, how many women don't file a charge out of fear of being terminated (or worse)?
| | | Head banger wrote: | | if your a good worker, why do you need protection? who would fire a good worker?
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Not true. In the Right to Work states, as the one I live in, employers do not even have to have a reason to terminate an employee. So, no, the worker does not have the right to say what he/she wants, there is no standing up for yourself without the risk of being terminated. How just is that?
| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | Why does your worker need you to speak for him? Can he not speak for himself through his own work? That's what counts.....the work. We speak of downsizing larger governenments in the betterment of the process. And yet, the unions need to maintain their control over the worker. We complain of the government pulling our strings. And yet allow unions to pull the strings of the employee to slow down progress and upward mobility.
You know what brings a worker to the same level as his employer? Hard work and production. THAT is power.
a. Hammerstein
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Do we actually read posts before posting. I wrote that I vote based on the candidates past voting record. What did I post that makes you post that the union buys this or tells you to do that. It's nowhere in my postings.
I do what I do in my union because I believe in workers rights, fair representation, and having a say in my working conditions. Unions allow workers to do that. A business? As long as there's an IRS, everything is a business. There are costs involved in forming a union. There's rental of space for meetings, travel and training expenses. Let's not kid ourselves here, nothing is free, my friends.
I posted some facts and quotes to support my position, and I have plenty more. All this generalizing just leads me to believe that some postings on this issue is just the same old rhetoric I hear from my bosses.
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| [Head banger] Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:17:37 AM | |
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and, thank fuck the two morons want it, so I can get out.
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| [VICTIM OF METAL] Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:33:00 AM | |
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I would love to, yet you've already stated that the media is fair to both sides.  So i know where you stand on most issues. Debating politics with a closed mind is useless.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, September 29, 2008 9:13:30 PM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Franklin Raines? You've got to be kidding me. C'mon VOM. He's nothing in this. He's had no personal contact (with the issue I know you are trying to raise) at all with Obama. He has never given any direct advice to Obama. He is one (of many) individuals that has been contacted one time by someone in his campaign committee, and Raines will tell you that himself. Again, he is nothing in this.
James A Johnson. I know he's been involved with numerous fortune 500 and 1000 companies, and I think he had a settlement of some kind not too long ago (earlier this year or last). He does have quite the reputation from what I understand, and is respected in some sectors. I also know he has made contributions to Obama's campaign. Other than that, I can't say that much about him.
C'mon, clue me in, I know you want to.
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| [ron h] Monday, September 29, 2008 9:13:30 PM | |
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Franklin Raines? You've got to be kidding me. C'mon VOM. He's nothing in this. He's had no personal contact (with the issue I know you are trying to raise) at all with Obama. He has never given any direct advice to Obama. He is one (of many) individuals that has been contacted one time by someone in his campaign committee, and Raines will tell you that himself. Again, he is nothing in this.
James A Johnson. I know he's been involved with numerous fortune 500 and 1000 companies, and I think he had a settlement of some kind not too long ago (earlier this year or last). He does have quite the reputation from what I understand, and is respected in some sectors. I also know he has made contributions to Obama's campaign. Other than that, I can't say that much about him.
C'mon, clue me in, I know you want to.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by VICTIM OF METAL from Monday, September 29, 2008 6:51:34 PM)| | | VICTIM OF METAL wrote: | | | Two names, Franklin Raines and James A. Johnson? |
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| [VICTIM OF METAL] Monday, September 29, 2008 6:51:34 PM | |
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| [ron h] Monday, September 29, 2008 6:30:08 PM | |
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I will repeat, in brief, what I posted last week.
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| [VICTIM OF METAL] Monday, September 29, 2008 6:14:54 PM | |
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| 90 some democrats didn't even show up for the vote? Still on vacation? |
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| [Soylentgreen4u] Monday, September 29, 2008 5:33:55 PM | |
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Monday, September 29, 2008 3:18:26 PM | |
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Monday, September 29, 2008 3:17:32 PM | |
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Monday, September 29, 2008 3:10:08 PM | |
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LOL Meltdown are we related??? 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Monday, September 29, 2008 2:59:01 PM)| | | METAL MELTDOWN wrote: | | I'd gladly take 4 or 8 more years of Bill Clinton as opposed to the buffoon we have now or the upcoming POW!!! bush has concerted his efforts abroad and look at the mess we are in on the domestic front. And all you republicans out there please spare me the economic stimulus bullshit. It has not done a damned thing. bush WILL go down as THE worst president in our history. Hats off to him for 9/11 and afghanistan but other wise he sucks. they ALL saw this coming and if they pulled their collective noses out of Iraqs ass for a minute they could have done something about it....
| | | MEDALGODDESS wrote: | | I agree with you 100%... When one gives themselves presidential power,to do what ever when ever. Why bother with these types of things.. I agree... Mr treason himself will pass anything he wants to anywase. Just to bye himself the last remaining time he has in office..
And people can quit telling me this is Clintons fault... He ran the goverment under republican power.. Remeber???
HELLO......
| | | Soylentgreen4u wrote: | | "BAILOUT BILL DEFEATED"....DON'T BELIEVE IT FOR A MINUTE MG...THIS IS ALL JUST MORE POSTURING AND IDIOTIC THEATRICS...HAVE THOSE GOOD FOLKS FORGOTTEN THERE IS AN ELECTION COMING UP SOON?...THEY DEFEAT IT INITIALLY TO MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK GOOD,THEN THEY COME BACK LATER SAYING THEY GOT WHAT THEY DEMANDED IN CONSESSIONS AND IT WILL BE PASSED...PATHETIC LIARS WHO DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT THE AVERAGE CITIZEN...THIS CRISIS WAS IN THE WORKS FOR YEARS AND YEARS,AND AFTER THE BAILOUT,IT WILL BEGIN AGAIN...WHY IS THERE NOT ANY CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS BEING LAUNCHED AGAINST THESE S.O.B.'S?...IT'S BORDERLINE TREASON AGAINST THEIR COUNTRY IF YOU ASK ME.
| | | MEDALGODDESS wrote: | | Well I usally dont post out here.. But today... why not
Here comes your mortgage meltdown run for your lives......
Iam soo happy I do-not live in the USA.. anymore its turning into a communist state of severe depression..
Sorry if this offends all the G.W> Bush lovers out here.. But you reap what you sew.. as they say.
Peace.. Out..
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| [METAL MELTDOWN] Monday, September 29, 2008 2:59:01 PM | |
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I'd gladly take 4 or 8 more years of Bill Clinton as opposed to the buffoon we have now or the upcoming POW!!! bush has concerted his efforts abroad and look at the mess we are in on the domestic front. And all you republicans out there please spare me the economic stimulus bullshit. It has not done a damned thing. bush WILL go down as THE worst president in our history. Hats off to him for 9/11 and afghanistan but other wise he sucks. they ALL saw this coming and if they pulled their collective noses out of Iraqs ass for a minute they could have done something about it....
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MEDALGODDESS from Monday, September 29, 2008 2:33:59 PM)| | | MEDALGODDESS wrote: | | I agree with you 100%... When one gives themselves presidential power,to do what ever when ever. Why bother with these types of things.. I agree... Mr treason himself will pass anything he wants to anywase. Just to bye himself the last remaining time he has in office..
And people can quit telling me this is Clintons fault... He ran the goverment under republican power.. Remeber???
HELLO......
| | | Soylentgreen4u wrote: | | "BAILOUT BILL DEFEATED"....DON'T BELIEVE IT FOR A MINUTE MG...THIS IS ALL JUST MORE POSTURING AND IDIOTIC THEATRICS...HAVE THOSE GOOD FOLKS FORGOTTEN THERE IS AN ELECTION COMING UP SOON?...THEY DEFEAT IT INITIALLY TO MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK GOOD,THEN THEY COME BACK LATER SAYING THEY GOT WHAT THEY DEMANDED IN CONSESSIONS AND IT WILL BE PASSED...PATHETIC LIARS WHO DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT THE AVERAGE CITIZEN...THIS CRISIS WAS IN THE WORKS FOR YEARS AND YEARS,AND AFTER THE BAILOUT,IT WILL BEGIN AGAIN...WHY IS THERE NOT ANY CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS BEING LAUNCHED AGAINST THESE S.O.B.'S?...IT'S BORDERLINE TREASON AGAINST THEIR COUNTRY IF YOU ASK ME.
| | | MEDALGODDESS wrote: | | Well I usally dont post out here.. But today... why not
Here comes your mortgage meltdown run for your lives......
Iam soo happy I do-not live in the USA.. anymore its turning into a communist state of severe depression..
Sorry if this offends all the G.W> Bush lovers out here.. But you reap what you sew.. as they say.
Peace.. Out..
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| [BLOOD SUCKER Esquire] Monday, September 29, 2008 2:48:13 PM | |
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So then, you are NOT smarter than a 5th grader?
a. Hammerstein
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Justin Kenny from Monday, September 29, 2008 1:35:58 PM)| | | Justin Kenny wrote: | | Don't go by me folks....I'm about as political as a cardboard box....there are 2nd graders who are more up to speed on what's happening than I am...might sound a bit sad...but....this kid barely has time to read a paper or watch the news...much less exact any time to do much of anything about it.... |
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Monday, September 29, 2008 2:33:59 PM | |
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I agree with you 100%... When one gives themselves presidential power,to do what ever when ever. Why bother with these types of things.. I agree... Mr treason himself will pass anything he wants to anywase. Just to bye himself the last remaining time he has in office..
And people can quit telling me this is Clintons fault... He ran the goverment under republican power.. Remeber???
HELLO......
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Monday, September 29, 2008 2:05:40 PM)| | | Soylentgreen4u wrote: | | "BAILOUT BILL DEFEATED"....DON'T BELIEVE IT FOR A MINUTE MG...THIS IS ALL JUST MORE POSTURING AND IDIOTIC THEATRICS...HAVE THOSE GOOD FOLKS FORGOTTEN THERE IS AN ELECTION COMING UP SOON?...THEY DEFEAT IT INITIALLY TO MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK GOOD,THEN THEY COME BACK LATER SAYING THEY GOT WHAT THEY DEMANDED IN CONSESSIONS AND IT WILL BE PASSED...PATHETIC LIARS WHO DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT THE AVERAGE CITIZEN...THIS CRISIS WAS IN THE WORKS FOR YEARS AND YEARS,AND AFTER THE BAILOUT,IT WILL BEGIN AGAIN...WHY IS THERE NOT ANY CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS BEING LAUNCHED AGAINST THESE S.O.B.'S?...IT'S BORDERLINE TREASON AGAINST THEIR COUNTRY IF YOU ASK ME.
| | | MEDALGODDESS wrote: | | Well I usally dont post out here.. But today... why not
Here comes your mortgage meltdown run for your lives......
Iam soo happy I do-not live in the USA.. anymore its turning into a communist state of severe depression..
Sorry if this offends all the G.W> Bush lovers out here.. But you reap what you sew.. as they say.
Peace.. Out..
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"BAILOUT BILL DEFEATED"....DON'T BELIEVE IT FOR A MINUTE MG...THIS IS ALL JUST MORE POSTURING AND IDIOTIC THEATRICS...HAVE THOSE GOOD FOLKS FORGOTTEN THERE IS AN ELECTION COMING UP SOON?...THEY DEFEAT IT INITIALLY TO MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK GOOD,THEN THEY COME BACK LATER SAYING THEY GOT WHAT THEY DEMANDED IN CONSESSIONS AND IT WILL BE PASSED...PATHETIC LIARS WHO DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT THE AVERAGE CITIZEN...THIS CRISIS WAS IN THE WORKS FOR YEARS AND YEARS,AND AFTER THE BAILOUT,IT WILL BEGIN AGAIN...WHY IS THERE NOT ANY CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS BEING LAUNCHED AGAINST THESE S.O.B.'S?...IT'S BORDERLINE TREASON AGAINST THEIR COUNTRY IF YOU ASK ME.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MEDALGODDESS from Monday, September 29, 2008 1:24:51 PM)| | | MEDALGODDESS wrote: | | Well I usally dont post out here.. But today... why not
Here comes your mortgage meltdown run for your lives......
Iam soo happy I do-not live in the USA.. anymore its turning into a communist state of severe depression..
Sorry if this offends all the G.W> Bush lovers out here.. But you reap what you sew.. as they say.
Peace.. Out..
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| [Soylentgreen4u] Monday, September 29, 2008 1:50:57 PM | |
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YEAH,WELL DON'T GET TOO COMFY HERE IN THE GREAT WHITE NORTH,CAUSE IF YOU DON'T START BEHAVING YOURSELF AND STOP POSTING THOSE PORNOGRAPHIC PICS OF PRIEST,I'LL
HAVE TO SEND YOU BACK!!! (TEE-HEE)...   .......
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MEDALGODDESS from Monday, September 29, 2008 1:24:51 PM)| | | MEDALGODDESS wrote: | | Well I usally dont post out here.. But today... why not
Here comes your mortgage meltdown run for your lives......
Iam soo happy I do-not live in the USA.. anymore its turning into a communist state of severe depression..
Sorry if this offends all the G.W> Bush lovers out here.. But you reap what you sew.. as they say.
Peace.. Out..
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Monday, September 29, 2008 1:24:51 PM | |
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Well I usally dont post out here.. But today... why not
Here comes your mortgage meltdown run for your lives......
Iam soo happy I do-not live in the USA.. anymore its turning into a communist state of severe depression..
Sorry if this offends all the G.W> Bush lovers out here.. But you reap what you sew.. as they say.
Peace.. Out..
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| [Kendall aka JudasRyche] Saturday, September 27, 2008 3:06:50 PM | |
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| And for those of you who are Canadian or do have knowledge to this fact ,
We are managed like any other herd. During the SARS outbreak in Toronto a couple of years ago, the head of the department for disease control was on television and for the first time publicly the public heard the term used for managing the public during such a crisis – and from the horse’s mouth came the term "herd management." That's what they call us. We are the herd. They're taught that now in high medical circles; and when there's to be an outbreak, they must manage the herd. Well moo, moo, moo. There you go. Surely it will be bah, bah, bah, because perhaps during all this crisis management, you won't see anything on television except professionals telling you what to do.
What to do during crisis management is quite simple. You do what you're told, because under the NATO agreement that every country signed in the west, you're to be contained in that area that's infected. No one gets out probably permanently. If you try and escape, you're to be shot on sight. If whole groups try to flee, they're to be bombed from the air with a special type of gas that kills you. That's our caretakers for you, you see; and when you stop worrying about who's going to do it to you, don't look to the Chinese. Don’t look to the Aboriginals of Australia with their weapons of mass destruction disguised as boomerangs, or anything else. It will be your own people who will do it to you, because they have hired lots of psychopaths to fly aircraft and to work in laboratories and spray you with various kinds of things.
They're so arrogant; in fact, they even declassify some of this documentation once in a while and let you know what they've done to you in the past. The people of Espanola in Ontario had been sprayed daily for months on end a few years ago by American aircraft that came across the Great Lakes. The women were having stillbirths. The natives noticed (some Indians there too) they noticed that even the deer were having stillbirths in the forest. Everyone had illnesses of one kind or another, tremendous bronchial problems. It went all the way to the Supreme Court where it was admitted they were being sprayed, but the substances they were being sprayed with couldn't be told to them – because of reasons of "National Security".
We are guinea pigs. In 1948 the government of Canada and the U.S. agreed to allow flying fortresses to come across into Canada and spray the entire city of Winnipeg for a couple of months at low level. When the National Health Service came up into being, they traced everyone down through their lives to see what they died of and what illnesses came upon them. Why are you afraid of outsiders, the oldest trick in the book, when most of it is done by your own people? Terrifying prospect, isn't it? However, that's the truth. They declassify this stuff generally after a generation has died off, because a new generation really doesn't care. It seems all unreal to them and it doesn't dawn on them that perhaps a new experiment has been perpetrated upon themselves. It doesn't dawn on them.
We’re always being used towards an agenda. The guys at the top in all countries, those who have succeeded in getting to the top through murder and mayhem and climbing over everyone else are the psychopaths that have an elite club, a world club. How does Baal glow? What is Baal? Baal is the god of sacrifice, the old one. Sometimes the sun, sometimes merriment, but also of sacrifice and that's what global is all about. You're watching the real “Illuminati” come to the fore (as they think of themselves), but in reality they're a substitute, very poor substitute too, because these characters have certainly lost their way and they're doing their best to make sure that we all go along in this false direction. We are at a critical phase, because no one within the general public has ever had a chance to vote, decide or even debate on any major topic that concerns their own lives or those around them. It's all done for us.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Kendall aka JudasRyche from Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:57:36 PM)| | | Kendall aka JudasRyche wrote: | | I see you are taking this as a debate. Well it isn't. I put Hollywood as an example to make a point. It is a Global agenda. Read the documentations from the CFR and the Royal institute of Foreign Affairs, U.N. Agenda 21. There aren'tdumb Canadians, Americans, etc. just those who have'nt "looked" and acknowledged the Published works of these foundations and Non-Governamental orgs. that run ALL policies in All gov'ts.
I say "eh" when I speak by the way. In fact I didn't know you are Canadian.
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You are easily entertained eh? that's cool. (Holly)wood is just garbage for culture creation. Very simple. (enter)tainment. This is not one country's agenda, more like a globalist agenda. Always was.Most of your thoughts and judgements, opinions and fantasy has been given you, by all these means. Face it. Funny eh? (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:23:24 PM)
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POOR BRITAIN WITH IT'S LITTLE PINEWOOD STUDIOS, SO HOLLYWOOD IS A GUIDING LIGHT FOR THE ENTIRE PLANET?...WOW!!!!,I HAD NO IDEA!,DARN THAT ELITIST LENIN,FOR THINKING ANYTHING DIFFERENT!...HOLLYWOOD THE GUIDING LIGHT FOR AN ENTIRE PLANET,
Hmmmmmm,MAYBE,I GUUUUUUUESS...GOOD THING THERE'S NO ELITIST ATTITUDES IN HOLLYWOOD... ....
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Wow it's been a while..........
We're living in a matrix. A matrix where many levels are programmed for you to pop into and get more distorted with the illusions around you – very confusing if you're just waking up. Don't panic if you're starting to wake up, and don't fall into the usual traps of trying to find a savior in the form of a two-legged man on the planet to save you, it doesn't work. It doesn't matter whatever they promise you, they're generally frauds and put out there by the other side, be it politician or otherwise. You can't have a good world without participating in your own destiny. You can’t hand it to someone else and say please to it all for me. It doesn't work that way, never did work that way. We must all do our little bit towards altering the course we're on, and we mustn't go heads on with the controllers, because the controllers understand our nature is to hit them head on. That's what the chessboard is all about, the black and the white squares. You have to think things through and decide what kind of world it's supposed to be or could be, because, like the elitist Lenin said, there are a thousand directions humanity could take. It's just that the public mustn't be allowed to know it. They must think that the life they're born into and everything in it is natural. It must have evolved that way by itself. That's as simple as that.
The tragic thing about the world being changed now is that everyone is adopting the American culture, which isn't American either. It was created by a small dominant minority in the U.S. In the 1960’s and '70’s, international meetings were held by The Council on Foreign Relations in London with its parent organization The Royal Institute for International Affairs and all the other British Commonwealth groups were there present too. Published in the newspapers at the time, it said that they had all gathered to decide which country should take the lead in culture creation for the whole planet to give a standard culture worldwide. It was a toss-up between Britain with its little Pinewood Studios or Hollywood, and they decided to make Hollywood the guiding light for the entire planet and that's been done.
One of the biggest exports out of the U.S. happens to be movies and music, of course, because both are controlled within the U.S., big money. You can go into Africa and see people with the hats on backwards and the baggy pants. You can go anywhere in the world and see the same thing because you promote culture creation. Now the CIA has admitted that all during the Cold War, all the radical movements that you thought were communist were actually run by the CIA. The idea being, supposedly, according to themselves, that those who would want to join a group would go for the most radical, so they would make them the most radical of all; and that went for the music industry, the far-left political parties and everything else that you thought was the enemy. Run both sides of everything, and then you've got it made. It’s very, very simple. That's the world we live in.
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| [Kendall aka JudasRyche] Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:57:36 PM | |
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I see you are taking this as a debate. Well it isn't. I put Hollywood as an example to make a point. It is a Global agenda. Read the documentations from the CFR and the Royal institute of Foreign Affairs, U.N. Agenda 21. There aren'tdumb Canadians, Americans, etc. just those who have'nt "looked" and acknowledged the Published works of these foundations and Non-Governamental orgs. that run ALL policies in All gov'ts.
I say "eh" when I speak by the way. In fact I didn't know you are Canadian.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:45:47 PM)
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I LOVE HOW YOU KEEP THROWING IN THE "EH".......SOOOO TYPICAL...WAIT A MINUTE,NOW I'M CONFUSED...YOU SAID HOLLYWOOD WAS THE GUIDING LIGHT FOR THE ENTIRE PLANET....BUT NOW YOU SAY IT'S A GLOBALIST AGENDA...YOU SHOULD BE A POLITICIAN ...OH COME ON NOW,REEEELAX,BE NICE....FORGIVE US DUMB CANADIANS...
EHHHHHH???...
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Kendall aka JudasRyche wrote: |
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You are easily entertained eh? that's cool. (Holly)wood is just garbage for culture creation. Very simple. (enter)tainment. This is not one country's agenda, more like a globalist agenda. Always was.Most of your thoughts and judgements, opinions and fantasy has been given you, by all these means. Face it. Funny eh? (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:23:24 PM)
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POOR BRITAIN WITH IT'S LITTLE PINEWOOD STUDIOS, SO HOLLYWOOD IS A GUIDING LIGHT FOR THE ENTIRE PLANET?...WOW!!!!,I HAD NO IDEA!,DARN THAT ELITIST LENIN,FOR THINKING ANYTHING DIFFERENT!...HOLLYWOOD THE GUIDING LIGHT FOR AN ENTIRE PLANET,
Hmmmmmm,MAYBE,I GUUUUUUUESS...GOOD THING THERE'S NO ELITIST ATTITUDES IN HOLLYWOOD.......
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Kendall aka JudasRyche wrote: |
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Wow it's been a while..........
We're living in a matrix. A matrix where many levels are programmed for you to pop into and get more distorted with the illusions around you – very confusing if you're just waking up. Don't panic if you're starting to wake up, and don't fall into the usual traps of trying to find a savior in the form of a two-legged man on the planet to save you, it doesn't work. It doesn't matter whatever they promise you, they're generally frauds and put out there by the other side, be it politician or otherwise. You can't have a good world without participating in your own destiny. You can’t hand it to someone else and say please to it all for me. It doesn't work that way, never did work that way. We must all do our little bit towards altering the course we're on, and we mustn't go heads on with the controllers, because the controllers understand our nature is to hit them head on. That's what the chessboard is all about, the black and the white squares. You have to think things through and decide what kind of world it's supposed to be or could be, because, like the elitist Lenin said, there are a thousand directions humanity could take. It's just that the public mustn't be allowed to know it. They must think that the life they're born into and everything in it is natural. It must have evolved that way by itself. That's as simple as that.
The tragic thing about the world being changed now is that everyone is adopting the American culture, which isn't American either. It was created by a small dominant minority in the U.S. In the 1960’s and '70’s, international meetings were held by The Council on Foreign Relations in London with its parent organization The Royal Institute for International Affairs and all the other British Commonwealth groups were there present too. Published in the newspapers at the time, it said that they had all gathered to decide which country should take the lead in culture creation for the whole planet to give a standard culture worldwide. It was a toss-up between Britain with its little Pinewood Studios or Hollywood, and they decided to make Hollywood the guiding light for the entire planet and that's been done.
One of the biggest exports out of the U.S. happens to be movies and music, of course, because both are controlled within the U.S., big money. You can go into Africa and see people with the hats on backwards and the baggy pants. You can go anywhere in the world and see the same thing because you promote culture creation. Now the CIA has admitted that all during the Cold War, all the radical movements that you thought were communist were actually run by the CIA. The idea being, supposedly, according to themselves, that those who would want to join a group would go for the most radical, so they would make them the most radical of all; and that went for the music industry, the far-left political parties and everything else that you thought was the enemy. Run both sides of everything, and then you've got it made. It’s very, very simple. That's the world we live in.
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| [Soylentgreen4u] Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:45:47 PM | |
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I LOVE HOW YOU KEEP THROWING IN THE "EH".......SOOOO TYPICAL...WAIT A MINUTE,NOW I'M CONFUSED...YOU SAID HOLLYWOOD WAS THE GUIDING LIGHT FOR THE ENTIRE PLANET....BUT NOW YOU SAY IT'S A GLOBALIST AGENDA...YOU SHOULD BE A POLITICIAN ...OH COME ON NOW,REEEELAX,BE NICE....FORGIVE US DUMB CANADIANS...
EHHHHHH???...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Kendall aka JudasRyche from Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:33:29 PM)| | | Kendall aka JudasRyche wrote: | | You are easily entertained eh? that's cool. (Holly)wood is just garbage for culture creation. Very simple. (enter)tainment. This is not one country's agenda, more like a globalist agenda. Always was.Most of your thoughts and judgements, opinions and fantasy has been given you, by all these means. Face it. Funny eh? (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:23:24 PM)
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POOR BRITAIN WITH IT'S LITTLE PINEWOOD STUDIOS, SO HOLLYWOOD IS A GUIDING LIGHT FOR THE ENTIRE PLANET?...WOW!!!!,I HAD NO IDEA!,DARN THAT ELITIST LENIN,FOR THINKING ANYTHING DIFFERENT!...HOLLYWOOD THE GUIDING LIGHT FOR AN ENTIRE PLANET,
Hmmmmmm,MAYBE,I GUUUUUUUESS...GOOD THING THERE'S NO ELITIST ATTITUDES IN HOLLYWOOD.......
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Kendall aka JudasRyche wrote: |
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Wow it's been a while..........
We're living in a matrix. A matrix where many levels are programmed for you to pop into and get more distorted with the illusions around you – very confusing if you're just waking up. Don't panic if you're starting to wake up, and don't fall into the usual traps of trying to find a savior in the form of a two-legged man on the planet to save you, it doesn't work. It doesn't matter whatever they promise you, they're generally frauds and put out there by the other side, be it politician or otherwise. You can't have a good world without participating in your own destiny. You can’t hand it to someone else and say please to it all for me. It doesn't work that way, never did work that way. We must all do our little bit towards altering the course we're on, and we mustn't go heads on with the controllers, because the controllers understand our nature is to hit them head on. That's what the chessboard is all about, the black and the white squares. You have to think things through and decide what kind of world it's supposed to be or could be, because, like the elitist Lenin said, there are a thousand directions humanity could take. It's just that the public mustn't be allowed to know it. They must think that the life they're born into and everything in it is natural. It must have evolved that way by itself. That's as simple as that.
The tragic thing about the world being changed now is that everyone is adopting the American culture, which isn't American either. It was created by a small dominant minority in the U.S. In the 1960’s and '70’s, international meetings were held by The Council on Foreign Relations in London with its parent organization The Royal Institute for International Affairs and all the other British Commonwealth groups were there present too. Published in the newspapers at the time, it said that they had all gathered to decide which country should take the lead in culture creation for the whole planet to give a standard culture worldwide. It was a toss-up between Britain with its little Pinewood Studios or Hollywood, and they decided to make Hollywood the guiding light for the entire planet and that's been done.
One of the biggest exports out of the U.S. happens to be movies and music, of course, because both are controlled within the U.S., big money. You can go into Africa and see people with the hats on backwards and the baggy pants. You can go anywhere in the world and see the same thing because you promote culture creation. Now the CIA has admitted that all during the Cold War, all the radical movements that you thought were communist were actually run by the CIA. The idea being, supposedly, according to themselves, that those who would want to join a group would go for the most radical, so they would make them the most radical of all; and that went for the music industry, the far-left political parties and everything else that you thought was the enemy. Run both sides of everything, and then you've got it made. It’s very, very simple. That's the world we live in.
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| [Kendall aka JudasRyche] Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:37:50 PM | |
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We're treated like animals. Behavioral psychologists are paid incredible amounts of money to run huge think tanks to manipulate us with our fashions, our music and all the other things that go into culture. We emulate what we see, or as Charles Galton Darwin said, the people mimic. They mimic like monkeys. Now we can't refute everything they say because you can see it all around you when the fashions come out, suddenly everybody adopts it no matter what it is. If it's hanging pins out of your cheekbone or an anchor hanging from the back of your ear or something, the people will adopt it because the stars at the top make it trendy.
Plato talked about it 2,300 years ago how it did the same back then. Nothing new under the sun as they say. We have never been given the chance, certainly not in the last couple of hundred years, to really develop our individuality that came out of the Middle Ages. The feudal system where you had a collective type society that didn't know very much, you were kept in the dark. You would run through the forest and be terrified because you had been taught about demons, ghosts and spooks, and you'd run into that big church where the candles lit. You felt all secure and there's the man in the dress talking in a different language you couldn't understand, but it was magical and you're now protected. That's what happened and that was your world view of everything. God was in control.
In those days, of course, there was no personal god. It was just a big impersonal force that gave you rules and you had to obey. You didn't know about countries outside of your own. All you had to know was how to plow the land and bring in the corn and give it to your master. That was how very simple it was. For 200 years we had a little break, especially in the Americas, where an individual could go off and get lost in the big backwoods somewhere if they wanted to and be left alone, until unfortunately in came the lawyers and the housing committees and the women's committees, as they built towns and they wanted to standardize it all over again, and bring in taxation, rules and laws etc.
Now they've closed off pretty well all of the loopholes where a person could live independently. That little couple of hundred years we had of potential freedom, they want everyone in this system. They threw out the net and they do love nets. That's why you have the Inter-NET and the WEB. You get stuck on the web. There's no mistake in the terminology they use. It's always the same terminology over and over again; and for America, they gave you Webster's Dictionary. That's the world we live in, vastly controlled by people who think they're tremendously clever, dealing with a lot of people who are not so clever. They're not educated up to the same standard, but the reality is we're not psychopathic. Even the streetwise uneducated psychopath can see the cons from the top immediately. He identifies with the mentality of his superior psychopath up there in the business suit, so he has no problem seeing through all the little lies and games that go on, or the excuses that are peddled to the public on a daily basis.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Kendall aka JudasRyche from Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:33:29 PM)
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Kendall aka JudasRyche wrote: |
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You are easily entertained eh? that's cool. (Holly)wood is just garbage for culture creation. Very simple. (enter)tainment. This is not one country's agenda, more like a globalist agenda. Always was.Most of you thoughts and judgements, opinions and fantasy has been given you, by all these means. Face it. Funny eh?
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Soylentgreen4u wrote: |
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POOR BRITAIN WITH IT'S LITTLE PINEWOOD STUDIOS, SO HOLLYWOOD IS A GUIDING LIGHT FOR THE ENTIRE PLANET?...WOW!!!!,I HAD NO IDEA!,DARN THAT ELITIST LENIN,FOR THINKING ANYTHING DIFFERENT!...HOLLYWOOD THE GUIDING LIGHT FOR AN ENTIRE PLANET,
Hmmmmmm,MAYBE,I GUUUUUUUESS...GOOD THING THERE'S NO ELITIST ATTITUDES IN HOLLYWOOD.......
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Kendall aka JudasRyche wrote: |
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Wow it's been a while..........
We're living in a matrix. A matrix where many levels are programmed for you to pop into and get more distorted with the illusions around you – very confusing if you're just waking up. Don't panic if you're starting to wake up, and don't fall into the usual traps of trying to find a savior in the form of a two-legged man on the planet to save you, it doesn't work. It doesn't matter whatever they promise you, they're generally frauds and put out there by the other side, be it politician or otherwise. You can't have a good world without participating in your own destiny. You can’t hand it to someone else and say please to it all for me. It doesn't work that way, never did work that way. We must all do our little bit towards altering the course we're on, and we mustn't go heads on with the controllers, because the controllers understand our nature is to hit them head on. That's what the chessboard is all about, the black and the white squares. You have to think things through and decide what kind of world it's supposed to be or could be, because, like the elitist Lenin said, there are a thousand directions humanity could take. It's just that the public mustn't be allowed to know it. They must think that the life they're born into and everything in it is natural. It must have evolved that way by itself. That's as simple as that.
The tragic thing about the world being changed now is that everyone is adopting the American culture, which isn't American either. It was created by a small dominant minority in the U.S. In the 1960’s and '70’s, international meetings were held by The Council on Foreign Relations in London with its parent organization The Royal Institute for International Affairs and all the other British Commonwealth groups were there present too. Published in the newspapers at the time, it said that they had all gathered to decide which country should take the lead in culture creation for the whole planet to give a standard culture worldwide. It was a toss-up between Britain with its little Pinewood Studios or Hollywood, and they decided to make Hollywood the guiding light for the entire planet and that's been done.
One of the biggest exports out of the U.S. happens to be movies and music, of course, because both are controlled within the U.S., big money. You can go into Africa and see people with the hats on backwards and the baggy pants. You can go anywhere in the world and see the same thing because you promote culture creation. Now the CIA has admitted that all during the Cold War, all the radical movements that you thought were communist were actually run by the CIA. The idea being, supposedly, according to themselves, that those who would want to join a group would go for the most radical, so they would make them the most radical of all; and that went for the music industry, the far-left political parties and everything else that you thought was the enemy. Run both sides of everything, and then you've got it made. It’s very, very simple. That's the world we live in.
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| [Kendall aka JudasRyche] Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:33:29 PM | |
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You are easily entertained eh? that's cool. (Holly)wood is just garbage for culture creation. Very simple. (enter)tainment. This is not one country's agenda, more like a globalist agenda. Always was.Most of your thoughts and judgements, opinions and fantasy has been given you, by all these means. Face it. Funny eh? [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:23:24 PM)
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POOR BRITAIN WITH IT'S LITTLE PINEWOOD STUDIOS, SO HOLLYWOOD IS A GUIDING LIGHT FOR THE ENTIRE PLANET?...WOW!!!!,I HAD NO IDEA!,DARN THAT ELITIST LENIN,FOR THINKING ANYTHING DIFFERENT!...HOLLYWOOD THE GUIDING LIGHT FOR AN ENTIRE PLANET,
Hmmmmmm,MAYBE,I GUUUUUUUESS...GOOD THING THERE'S NO ELITIST ATTITUDES IN HOLLYWOOD.......
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Kendall aka JudasRyche wrote: |
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Wow it's been a while..........
We're living in a matrix. A matrix where many levels are programmed for you to pop into and get more distorted with the illusions around you – very confusing if you're just waking up. Don't panic if you're starting to wake up, and don't fall into the usual traps of trying to find a savior in the form of a two-legged man on the planet to save you, it doesn't work. It doesn't matter whatever they promise you, they're generally frauds and put out there by the other side, be it politician or otherwise. You can't have a good world without participating in your own destiny. You can’t hand it to someone else and say please to it all for me. It doesn't work that way, never did work that way. We must all do our little bit towards altering the course we're on, and we mustn't go heads on with the controllers, because the controllers understand our nature is to hit them head on. That's what the chessboard is all about, the black and the white squares. You have to think things through and decide what kind of world it's supposed to be or could be, because, like the elitist Lenin said, there are a thousand directions humanity could take. It's just that the public mustn't be allowed to know it. They must think that the life they're born into and everything in it is natural. It must have evolved that way by itself. That's as simple as that.
The tragic thing about the world being changed now is that everyone is adopting the American culture, which isn't American either. It was created by a small dominant minority in the U.S. In the 1960’s and '70’s, international meetings were held by The Council on Foreign Relations in London with its parent organization The Royal Institute for International Affairs and all the other British Commonwealth groups were there present too. Published in the newspapers at the time, it said that they had all gathered to decide which country should take the lead in culture creation for the whole planet to give a standard culture worldwide. It was a toss-up between Britain with its little Pinewood Studios or Hollywood, and they decided to make Hollywood the guiding light for the entire planet and that's been done.
One of the biggest exports out of the U.S. happens to be movies and music, of course, because both are controlled within the U.S., big money. You can go into Africa and see people with the hats on backwards and the baggy pants. You can go anywhere in the world and see the same thing because you promote culture creation. Now the CIA has admitted that all during the Cold War, all the radical movements that you thought were communist were actually run by the CIA. The idea being, supposedly, according to themselves, that those who would want to join a group would go for the most radical, so they would make them the most radical of all; and that went for the music industry, the far-left political parties and everything else that you thought was the enemy. Run both sides of everything, and then you've got it made. It’s very, very simple. That's the world we live in.
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| [Soylentgreen4u] Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:23:24 PM | |
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POOR BRITAIN WITH IT'S LITTLE PINEWOOD STUDIOS, SO HOLLYWOOD IS A GUIDING LIGHT FOR THE ENTIRE PLANET?...WOW!!!!,I HAD NO IDEA!,DARN THAT ELITIST LENIN,FOR THINKING ANYTHING DIFFERENT!...HOLLYWOOD THE GUIDING LIGHT FOR AN ENTIRE PLANET,
Hmmmmmm,MAYBE,I GUUUUUUUESS...GOOD THING THERE'S NO ELITIST ATTITUDES IN HOLLYWOOD.......
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Kendall aka JudasRyche from Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:08:27 PM)| | | Kendall aka JudasRyche wrote: | | Wow it's been a while..........
We're living in a matrix. A matrix where many levels are programmed for you to pop into and get more distorted with the illusions around you – very confusing if you're just waking up. Don't panic if you're starting to wake up, and don't fall into the usual traps of trying to find a savior in the form of a two-legged man on the planet to save you, it doesn't work. It doesn't matter whatever they promise you, they're generally frauds and put out there by the other side, be it politician or otherwise. You can't have a good world without participating in your own destiny. You can’t hand it to someone else and say please to it all for me. It doesn't work that way, never did work that way. We must all do our little bit towards altering the course we're on, and we mustn't go heads on with the controllers, because the controllers understand our nature is to hit them head on. That's what the chessboard is all about, the black and the white squares. You have to think things through and decide what kind of world it's supposed to be or could be, because, like the elitist Lenin said, there are a thousand directions humanity could take. It's just that the public mustn't be allowed to know it. They must think that the life they're born into and everything in it is natural. It must have evolved that way by itself. That's as simple as that.
The tragic thing about the world being changed now is that everyone is adopting the American culture, which isn't American either. It was created by a small dominant minority in the U.S. In the 1960’s and '70’s, international meetings were held by The Council on Foreign Relations in London with its parent organization The Royal Institute for International Affairs and all the other British Commonwealth groups were there present too. Published in the newspapers at the time, it said that they had all gathered to decide which country should take the lead in culture creation for the whole planet to give a standard culture worldwide. It was a toss-up between Britain with its little Pinewood Studios or Hollywood, and they decided to make Hollywood the guiding light for the entire planet and that's been done.
One of the biggest exports out of the U.S. happens to be movies and music, of course, because both are controlled within the U.S., big money. You can go into Africa and see people with the hats on backwards and the baggy pants. You can go anywhere in the world and see the same thing because you promote culture creation. Now the CIA has admitted that all during the Cold War, all the radical movements that you thought were communist were actually run by the CIA. The idea being, supposedly, according to themselves, that those who would want to join a group would go for the most radical, so they would make them the most radical of all; and that went for the music industry, the far-left political parties and everything else that you thought was the enemy. Run both sides of everything, and then you've got it made. It’s very, very simple. That's the world we live in. |
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| [Kendall aka JudasRyche] Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:08:27 PM | |
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Wow it's been a while..........
We're living in a matrix. A matrix where many levels are programmed for you to pop into and get more distorted with the illusions around you – very confusing if you're just waking up. Don't panic if you're starting to wake up, and don't fall into the usual traps of trying to find a savior in the form of a two-legged man on the planet to save you, it doesn't work. It doesn't matter whatever they promise you, they're generally frauds and put out there by the other side, be it politician or otherwise. You can't have a good world without participating in your own destiny. You can’t hand it to someone else and say please to it all for me. It doesn't work that way, never did work that way. We must all do our little bit towards altering the course we're on, and we mustn't go heads on with the controllers, because the controllers understand our nature is to hit them head on. That's what the chessboard is all about, the black and the white squares. You have to think things through and decide what kind of world it's supposed to be or could be, because, like the elitist Lenin said, there are a thousand directions humanity could take. It's just that the public mustn't be allowed to know it. They must think that the life they're born into and everything in it is natural. It must have evolved that way by itself. That's as simple as that.
The tragic thing about the world being changed now is that everyone is adopting the American culture, which isn't American either. It was created by a small dominant minority in the U.S. In the 1960’s and '70’s, international meetings were held by The Council on Foreign Relations in London with its parent organization The Royal Institute for International Affairs and all the other British Commonwealth groups were there present too. Published in the newspapers at the time, it said that they had all gathered to decide which country should take the lead in culture creation for the whole planet to give a standard culture worldwide. It was a toss-up between Britain with its little Pinewood Studios or Hollywood, and they decided to make Hollywood the guiding light for the entire planet and that's been done.
One of the biggest exports out of the U.S. happens to be movies and music, of course, because both are controlled within the U.S., big money. You can go into Africa and see people with the hats on backwards and the baggy pants. You can go anywhere in the world and see the same thing because you promote culture creation. Now the CIA has admitted that all during the Cold War, all the radical movements that you thought were communist were actually run by the CIA. The idea being, supposedly, according to themselves, that those who would want to join a group would go for the most radical, so they would make them the most radical of all; and that went for the music industry, the far-left political parties and everything else that you thought was the enemy. Run both sides of everything, and then you've got it made. It’s very, very simple. That's the world we live in. |
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Haaaaa!!!!! Just finished watching myself and I can't help but agree. Can't wait for the CNN "thinktank" to start ripping both of them apart.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by VICTIM OF METAL from Friday, September 26, 2008 8:24:22 PM)| | | VICTIM OF METAL wrote: | | | Wow, 17mins. into this debate and Obama is nervous and babbling. He doesn't seem to comfortable in this type setting? It's like watching the Honeymoners, hummminnaaa hummminnaaa...I'm not sayin' McCain is on the level with all he's saying, but he is in a zone. |
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| [VICTIM OF METAL] Friday, September 26, 2008 8:24:22 PM | |
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| Wow, 17mins. into this debate and Obama is nervous and babbling. He doesn't seem to comfortable in this type setting? It's like watching the Honeymoners, hummminnaaa hummminnaaa...I'm not sayin' McCain is on the level with all he's saying, but he is in a zone. |
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| [ron h] Friday, September 26, 2008 7:01:57 PM | |
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I wasn't going to bring that up, but Hmmm......
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, September 26, 2008 6:43:26 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | What? Only ONE VP debate? Damn, I want to hear Palin speak more. Ummm...a bit interested in hearing about the woman who might be an old white guy's heartbeat away from the Presidency.
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| [guidogodoy] Friday, September 26, 2008 6:43:26 PM | |
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What? Only ONE VP debate? Damn, I want to hear Palin speak more. Ummm...a bit interested in hearing about the woman who might be an old white guy's heartbeat away from the Presidency.
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| [ron h] Friday, September 26, 2008 6:19:43 PM | |
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| The construction industry, the roofing industry are tough. Living in the Chicago land area, there are (exaggeration here) millions of small businesses that even pay cash for that kind of work. These are tough jobs, not everyone can handle that type of work. Where's all the new construction at? How many retired roofers do you know? I don't think there's a market that hasn't been affected in a bad way, unless you make ammo and equipment for the military. |
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| [VICTIM OF METAL] Friday, September 26, 2008 6:03:43 PM | |
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I was in construction! Not anymore. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Friday, September 26, 2008 6:00:11 PM)
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Why shouldn't they? If you work at the same company long enough to get a pension (usually 25-30 yrs.) what's wrong with that? It's a two way street. Most people I know live paycheck to paycheck working for profitable companies, why is it only those at the top reap the benefits of the profits? We all do our fair share to make the company profitable, right?
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Once again, why oh why does the company have to take care of you after you retire? Use your own smarts and set up yopur own future. That's the mind-set that separates the average from the high achievers. Your pension should NEVER be your only source of retirement income. Who here doesn't have some sort of retirement strategy in place? If you don't, then you're a jobber that's relying on your companyb to take care of you. Wrong. You take care of you.
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Let me also add this, our seniors, who have already worked hard their entire lives, deserve a secure and dignified retirement. McCain calls the current system of guaranteed monthly benefits for retirees an "absolute disgrace." He voted for Bush's plan to put Social Security funds into risky private accounts. Obama supports guaranteed monthly benefits earned by seniors. He opposes risky private accounts, which will slash benefits for seniors. I think we all know the state of SS benefits, but if there is going to be reform in this area, they have to come up with something a hell of a lot better than this. We've all spent our entire working lives paying for this by way of taxes out of every single paycheck, and to take a risky chance of losing it all? How can this be acceptable? This is the best we can do?
Thanks Painkiller and VOM for showing respect in this messed up world of politics. At the end of the day we may not all agree with each other, but I learn as much as I share when it comes to the issues, and it helps when opposing sides aren't going at each other's throats.
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It's not hard at all, Ron. Just tell us what McCain has voted for you disagree with regarding "labor" That's your main concern, I can appreciate that, but give me some specifics.
BTW, you should know that I am no McCain fan, but I know how bad the alternatives are.
So, if you don't mind, give me three specific things McCain has voted for which makes you think Obama would be a better president.
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| [ron h] Friday, September 26, 2008 6:00:11 PM | |
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Why shouldn't they? If you work at the same company long enough to get a pension (usually 25-30 yrs.) what's wrong with that? It's a two way street. Most people I know live paycheck to paycheck working for profitable companies, why is it only those at the top reap the benefits of the profits? We all do our fair share to make the company profitable, right?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Friday, September 26, 2008 5:21:10 PM)| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | Once again, why oh why does the company have to take care of you after you retire? Use your own smarts and set up yopur own future. That's the mind-set that separates the average from the high achievers. Your pension should NEVER be your only source of retirement income. Who here doesn't have some sort of retirement strategy in place? If you don't, then you're a jobber that's relying on your companyb to take care of you. Wrong. You take care of you.
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| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Let me also add this, our seniors, who have already worked hard their entire lives, deserve a secure and dignified retirement. McCain calls the current system of guaranteed monthly benefits for retirees an "absolute disgrace." He voted for Bush's plan to put Social Security funds into risky private accounts. Obama supports guaranteed monthly benefits earned by seniors. He opposes risky private accounts, which will slash benefits for seniors. I think we all know the state of SS benefits, but if there is going to be reform in this area, they have to come up with something a hell of a lot better than this. We've all spent our entire working lives paying for this by way of taxes out of every single paycheck, and to take a risky chance of losing it all? How can this be acceptable? This is the best we can do?
Thanks Painkiller and VOM for showing respect in this messed up world of politics. At the end of the day we may not all agree with each other, but I learn as much as I share when it comes to the issues, and it helps when opposing sides aren't going at each other's throats.
| | | Painkiller1990 wrote: | | It's not hard at all, Ron. Just tell us what McCain has voted for you disagree with regarding "labor" That's your main concern, I can appreciate that, but give me some specifics.
BTW, you should know that I am no McCain fan, but I know how bad the alternatives are.
So, if you don't mind, give me three specific things McCain has voted for which makes you think Obama would be a better president.
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| [VICTIM OF METAL] Friday, September 26, 2008 5:42:14 PM | |
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It's sort of hard to do that with the way the economy is right now. Especially if your job forces you to change mid-stride!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Friday, September 26, 2008 5:21:10 PM)| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | Once again, why oh why does the company have to take care of you after you retire? Use your own smarts and set up yopur own future. That's the mind-set that separates the average from the high achievers. Your pension should NEVER be your only source of retirement income. Who here doesn't have some sort of retirement strategy in place? If you don't, then you're a jobber that's relying on your companyb to take care of you. Wrong. You take care of you.
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| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Let me also add this, our seniors, who have already worked hard their entire lives, deserve a secure and dignified retirement. McCain calls the current system of guaranteed monthly benefits for retirees an "absolute disgrace." He voted for Bush's plan to put Social Security funds into risky private accounts. Obama supports guaranteed monthly benefits earned by seniors. He opposes risky private accounts, which will slash benefits for seniors. I think we all know the state of SS benefits, but if there is going to be reform in this area, they have to come up with something a hell of a lot better than this. We've all spent our entire working lives paying for this by way of taxes out of every single paycheck, and to take a risky chance of losing it all? How can this be acceptable? This is the best we can do?
Thanks Painkiller and VOM for showing respect in this messed up world of politics. At the end of the day we may not all agree with each other, but I learn as much as I share when it comes to the issues, and it helps when opposing sides aren't going at each other's throats.
| | | Painkiller1990 wrote: | | It's not hard at all, Ron. Just tell us what McCain has voted for you disagree with regarding "labor" That's your main concern, I can appreciate that, but give me some specifics.
BTW, you should know that I am no McCain fan, but I know how bad the alternatives are.
So, if you don't mind, give me three specific things McCain has voted for which makes you think Obama would be a better president.
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| [BLOOD SUCKER Esquire] Friday, September 26, 2008 5:21:10 PM | |
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Once again, why oh why does the company have to take care of you after you retire? Use your own smarts and set up yopur own future. That's the mind-set that separates the average from the high achievers. Your pension should NEVER be your only source of retirement income. Who here doesn't have some sort of retirement strategy in place? If you don't, then you're a jobber that's relying on your companyb to take care of you. Wrong. You take care of you.
a. Hammerstein
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Friday, September 26, 2008 11:57:06 AM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Let me also add this, our seniors, who have already worked hard their entire lives, deserve a secure and dignified retirement. McCain calls the current system of guaranteed monthly benefits for retirees an "absolute disgrace." He voted for Bush's plan to put Social Security funds into risky private accounts. Obama supports guaranteed monthly benefits earned by seniors. He opposes risky private accounts, which will slash benefits for seniors. I think we all know the state of SS benefits, but if there is going to be reform in this area, they have to come up with something a hell of a lot better than this. We've all spent our entire working lives paying for this by way of taxes out of every single paycheck, and to take a risky chance of losing it all? How can this be acceptable? This is the best we can do?
Thanks Painkiller and VOM for showing respect in this messed up world of politics. At the end of the day we may not all agree with each other, but I learn as much as I share when it comes to the issues, and it helps when opposing sides aren't going at each other's throats.
| | | Painkiller1990 wrote: | | It's not hard at all, Ron. Just tell us what McCain has voted for you disagree with regarding "labor" That's your main concern, I can appreciate that, but give me some specifics.
BTW, you should know that I am no McCain fan, but I know how bad the alternatives are.
So, if you don't mind, give me three specific things McCain has voted for which makes you think Obama would be a better president.
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| [VICTIM OF METAL] Friday, September 26, 2008 4:58:49 PM | |
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See the thing about this thread is, there isn't hate and bashing, maybe a sprinkle here and there but we are civil towards each other. Just airing our opinions and views and debating somewhat. Lets keep it that way, please.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Friday, September 26, 2008 11:57:06 AM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Let me also add this, our seniors, who have already worked hard their entire lives, deserve a secure and dignified retirement. McCain calls the current system of guaranteed monthly benefits for retirees an "absolute disgrace." He voted for Bush's plan to put Social Security funds into risky private accounts. Obama supports guaranteed monthly benefits earned by seniors. He opposes risky private accounts, which will slash benefits for seniors. I think we all know the state of SS benefits, but if there is going to be reform in this area, they have to come up with something a hell of a lot better than this. We've all spent our entire working lives paying for this by way of taxes out of every single paycheck, and to take a risky chance of losing it all? How can this be acceptable? This is the best we can do?
Thanks Painkiller and VOM for showing respect in this messed up world of politics. At the end of the day we may not all agree with each other, but I learn as much as I share when it comes to the issues, and it helps when opposing sides aren't going at each other's throats.
| | | Painkiller1990 wrote: | | It's not hard at all, Ron. Just tell us what McCain has voted for you disagree with regarding "labor" That's your main concern, I can appreciate that, but give me some specifics.
BTW, you should know that I am no McCain fan, but I know how bad the alternatives are.
So, if you don't mind, give me three specific things McCain has voted for which makes you think Obama would be a better president.
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| [VICTIM OF METAL] Friday, September 26, 2008 4:36:50 PM | |
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| Didn' t Harry Reed say, "the war is lost", before the surge! Obama said "we air raided innocent people in villages"! Do these guys sound like American leaders who stand with honor behind our troops? I don't care if your on the left, or on the right. Or somewhere in the middle. Supporting the people willing to defend us with their lives is the least we can do. |
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| [ron h] Friday, September 26, 2008 11:57:06 AM | |
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Let me also add this, our seniors, who have already worked hard their entire lives, deserve a secure and dignified retirement. McCain calls the current system of guaranteed monthly benefits for retirees an "absolute disgrace." He voted for Bush's plan to put Social Security funds into risky private accounts. Obama supports guaranteed monthly benefits earned by seniors. He opposes risky private accounts, which will slash benefits for seniors. I think we all know the state of SS benefits, but if there is going to be reform in this area, they have to come up with something a hell of a lot better than this. We've all spent our entire working lives paying for this by way of taxes out of every single paycheck, and to take a risky chance of losing it all? How can this be acceptable? This is the best we can do?
Thanks Painkiller and VOM for showing respect in this messed up world of politics. At the end of the day we may not all agree with each other, but I learn as much as I share when it comes to the issues, and it helps when opposing sides aren't going at each other's throats.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Painkiller1990 from Friday, September 26, 2008 5:50:27 AM)| | | Painkiller1990 wrote: | | It's not hard at all, Ron. Just tell us what McCain has voted for you disagree with regarding "labor" That's your main concern, I can appreciate that, but give me some specifics.
BTW, you should know that I am no McCain fan, but I know how bad the alternatives are.
So, if you don't mind, give me three specific things McCain has voted for which makes you think Obama would be a better president.
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| [ron h] Friday, September 26, 2008 11:38:42 AM | |
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I don't have a lot of time here, so this'll have to be quick. Also, my voting history will show that I have voted for both Dem. and Rep. pres. candidates in the past, I have never followed strict party lines.
For starters, read my post dated Sept. 24, 2008 7:11:45 AM.
Now I'll add this,
McCain has no plan to provide health care for all Americans. Like Bush, he relies on so-called "health savings accounts," a phony reform backed by insurance lobbyists which undermines existing employer-based policies. Under his plan, Americans will face reduced benefits, higher costs and leaving millions still without coverage. He also supports a tax on our health care benefits, which would be a huge tax increase for working families.
Obama has a health care plan for all Americans. Those currently insured will keep their health plans at a lower cost. The uninsured, self-employed and small businesses will be eligible for a new national health plan similar to the coverage now available to members of Congress. No Americans will be turned away from any insurance because of pre-existing conditions. He is opposed to a tax on health benefits.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Painkiller1990 from Friday, September 26, 2008 5:50:27 AM)| | | Painkiller1990 wrote: | | It's not hard at all, Ron. Just tell us what McCain has voted for you disagree with regarding "labor" That's your main concern, I can appreciate that, but give me some specifics.
BTW, you should know that I am no McCain fan, but I know how bad the alternatives are.
So, if you don't mind, give me three specific things McCain has voted for which makes you think Obama would be a better president.
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| [Painkiller1990] Friday, September 26, 2008 5:50:27 AM | |
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It's not hard at all, Ron. Just tell us what McCain has voted for you disagree with regarding "labor" That's your main concern, I can appreciate that, but give me some specifics.
BTW, you should know that I am no McCain fan, but I know how bad the alternatives are.
So, if you don't mind, give me three specific things McCain has voted for which makes you think Obama would be a better president.
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| [ron h] Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:32:38 PM | |
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Things would be different/balanced if environmental standards were equally enforced world wide. They are not. You are absolutely correct, but that is not a bad thing. Are you telling me screw the environment so we can keep people working? Why not enforce the same regulations world wide? That is one big issue. NO, don't lower our standards, raise everyone else's. Why do you think work leaves our borders? Lower wages, no health care, no workplace safety, no environmental regulations. And the American auto industry does need help. When the average CEO makes more money by lunch on the first day of the year than a minimum wage worker makes all year long, why should the worker be the first to sacrifice? No doubt that agreements made in the past come back to haunt, times change. That's what makes our gov. so great, we can change policies that don't work anymore. You are also right about Obama's comparatively short time in the Senate, but I've got years to draw on McCain's votes, and I don't want him as my President, period. And for the record, I'm not a political anything. I'm a worker and a family man and things have not been working for a long time and that needs to change. McCain tell's me that nothing is going to change and I can't stand for that. I've been a supervisor, a Teamster truck driver, a UAW worker and I've worked in non-union plants as a non-union worker. I'm not disassociating myself at all, I've worked in numerous sectors, and the problems are the same everwhere, regardless. I'm not trying to tell you differently, I don't care if you get it or not, but I do know as I have my work history to prove it. Labor is labor, union or no union, believe what you want. Can't say anything about the light bulb situation as I am not familiar with it. And read the other posts, going by previous voting record applies to all candidates, not just presidential, and I do vote for good republican candidates as well.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Painkiller1990 from Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:25:58 PM)| | | Painkiller1990 wrote: | | Ron,
You said there have been over 3 million production jobs lost in the last eight years? Where do you get your facts from? The US is still the #1 manufacturer in the world, China is now #2. You obviously blame Bush for what you believe. So, let's take a look at who's really to blame here.
Let's start with the auto industry. The US is the world leader in auto manufacturing throughout the world. People love our cars.
In the US, the Government has just approved a 25 billion dollar bailout of the auto makers. GM I believe... So, I ask you, why is this? Why are American auto makers struggling to keep up with Toyota? I'll tell you, over regulation, and this is a fact. Liberal Democrats are beholden to the environmentalist lobby in this country. You can start with Al Gore and work your way down the ladder. These idiots have instituted unreasonable CAFE standards on the auto industry, forcing them to make their cars differently here in the States than in the rest of the world. The result is poor sales domestically. The Government is to blame for this. So, sales go down and jobs go away because demand for these cars is lower than it should be. Thank you very much to the Democratic party. Now, that's who's fault it is, this isn't a game of pass the buck, this is the truth.
TThat's just one example. Another example is the Liberals in Washington making it illegal to make, sell, or buy incandescent light bulbs in the US come 2010. Democrats passed this bill to outlaw them, not Republicans. And oh how sweet a deal it is for the CHICOMS because the only place the green bulbs are made thet we're now forced to buy is in China. Again, I want to strees... Liberal environmental Democrats are responsible for this. Say goodbye to jobs anywhere in the US where incandescent light bulbs are made in the US.
Only to be replaced by bulbs full of mercury powder... again, thank you to the Democratic party.
Let me also say this, you cannot disassociate yourself from Unions if you're a labor guy. Labor and Unions are one in the same. That's the way it is and I'll not be told differently. Let's look at how Unions have caused people to lose their jobs. Again, back to GM. Unions strong armed GM into large salaries (That aint a bad thing, btw) but they also negotiated huge pensions, retirement healthcare packages that not only cover the retired worker, but their families too.
This was all fine at the time but times have changed. Since the ridiculous regulations were thrust upon car manufacturers sales have taken a nose dive and GM couldn't do business any longer like it had. People got laid off, major cutbacks were implemented, and now they need help from the Government, all because of your liberal Democratic party.
And lets look at this current debacle we're in, all caused by liberal Democrats. The original brain-child of Jimmy Carter, modified by Bill Clinton, enforced by Janet Reno, mortgage companies were forced to lend money to people who could not pay it back. Minorities, low income people, even illegal aliens were given mortgages to buy homes that they could not pay back. This was done in the name of compassion by liberal Democrats, not Republican. Fannie and Freddy at the time, headed up by Frankin Raines (Who currently works on the Obama Campaign as an economic advisor) Raines made 100 million dollars over 7 years because he kept buying up all these bad loans that weren't getting paid back. They bought so many to inflate their assets on paper, and Raines ended up with huge bonuses, only to be kicked out of there due to all the fraud. Same thing with Jim Johnson, who also happens to be on the Obama economic team. He was booted out of there too due to fraud. Fannie and Freddy were nothing less than a Democratic piggy bank. Chris Dodd took the most money from them, I believe, a ten year period... Obama comes in at #2 in receiving money from them after only three years, then there's Barny Frank, Jamie Gorelick, Chck Schumer, and on and on. Meanwhile, in 2003 Bush called for reforms to F&F, McCain called for reforms in 2005, warning of this exact precise thing. Democrats killed any and all attempts to reform it. Rather, Barny Frank was out there telling everyone there is no problem with F&F, they're fine. Chris Dodd too. Barny Frank, we now just found out, was in a gay relationship with the high ranking member of F&F. The Democratic party was allowing all this scandal and back door favors to happen while getting filthy rich on the backs of tax payers mortgages.
Now, the idea that you only vote based on the voting record of the candidate is either a flat out lie, or, you're just a political hack who would vote for a Democrat no matter who was running, or, you simply aren't aware of what's really going on with this party, Obama included.
There's no way you could vote for Obama based on his voting record because he's been in the Senate only 183 days before he started running for President. He's got no voting record to speak of, he's inexperienced and not qualified to be dog catcher, never mind President. Edited at: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:27:09 PM Edited at: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:31:24 PM
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Ron,
You said there have been over 3 million production jobs lost in the last eight years? Where do you get your facts from? The US is still the #1 manufacturer in the world, China is now #2. You obviously blame Bush for what you believe. So, let's take a look at who's really to blame here.
Let's start with the auto industry. The US is the world leader in auto manufacturing throughout the world. People love our cars.
In the US, the Government has just approved a 25 billion dollar bailout of the auto makers. GM I believe... So, I ask you, why is this? Why are American auto makers struggling to keep up with Toyota? I'll tell you, over regulation, and this is a fact. Liberal Democrats are beholden to the environmentalist lobby in this country. You can start with Al Gore and work your way down the ladder. These idiots have instituted unreasonable CAFE standards on the auto industry, forcing them to make their cars differently here in the States than in the rest of the world. The result is poor sales domestically. The Government is to blame for this. So, sales go down and jobs go away because demand for these cars is lower than it should be. Thank you very much to the Democratic party. Now, that's who's fault it is, this isn't a game of pass the buck, this is the truth.
TThat's just one example. Another example is the Liberals in Washington making it illegal to make, sell, or buy incandescent light bulbs in the US come 2010. Democrats passed this bill to outlaw them, not Republicans. And oh how sweet a deal it is for the CHICOMS because the only place the green bulbs are made thet we're now forced to buy is in China. Again, I want to strees... Liberal environmental Democrats are responsible for this. Say goodbye to jobs anywhere in the US where incandescent light bulbs are made in the US.
Only to be replaced by bulbs full of mercury powder... again, thank you to the Democratic party.
Let me also say this, you cannot disassociate yourself from Unions if you're a labor guy. Labor and Unions are one in the same. That's the way it is and I'll not be told differently. Let's look at how Unions have caused people to lose their jobs. Again, back to GM. Unions strong armed GM into large salaries (That aint a bad thing, btw) but they also negotiated huge pensions, retirement healthcare packages that not only cover the retired worker, but their families too.
This was all fine at the time but times have changed. Since the ridiculous regulations were thrust upon car manufacturers sales have taken a nose dive and GM couldn't do business any longer like it had. People got laid off, major cutbacks were implemented, and now they need help from the Government, all because of your liberal Democratic party.
And lets look at this current debacle we're in, all caused by liberal Democrats. The original brain-child of Jimmy Carter, modified by Bill Clinton, enforced by Janet Reno, mortgage companies were forced to lend money to people who could not pay it back. Minorities, low income people, even illegal aliens were given mortgages to buy homes that they could not pay back. This was done in the name of compassion by liberal Democrats, not Republican. Fannie and Freddy at the time, headed up by Frankin Raines (Who currently works on the Obama Campaign as an economic advisor) Raines made 100 million dollars over 7 years because he kept buying up all these bad loans that weren't getting paid back. They bought so many to inflate their assets on paper, and Raines ended up with huge bonuses, only to be kicked out of there due to all the fraud. Same thing with Jim Johnson, who also happens to be on the Obama economic team. He was booted out of there too due to fraud. Fannie and Freddy were nothing less than a Democratic piggy bank. Chris Dodd took the most money from them, I believe, a ten year period... Obama comes in at #2 in receiving money from them after only three years, then there's Barny Frank, Jamie Gorelick, Chck Schumer, and on and on. Meanwhile, in 2003 Bush called for reforms to F&F, McCain called for reforms in 2005, warning of this exact precise thing. Democrats killed any and all attempts to reform it. Rather, Barny Frank was out there telling everyone there is no problem with F&F, they're fine. Chris Dodd too. Barny Frank, we now just found out, was in a gay relationship with the high ranking member of F&F. The Democratic party was allowing all this scandal and back door favors to happen while getting filthy rich on the backs of tax payers mortgages.
Now, the idea that you only vote based on the voting record of the candidate is either a flat out lie, or, you're just a political hack who would vote for a Democrat no matter who was running, or, you simply aren't aware of what's really going on with this party, Obama included.
There's no way you could vote for Obama based on his voting record because he's been in the Senate only 183 days before he started running for President. He's got no voting record to speak of, he's inexperienced and not qualified to be dog catcher, never mind President. Edited at: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:27:09 PM Edited at: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:31:24 PM
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If there were no bias or clicks or favorites or discrimination or sexual harassment or many, many other things that go on in the workplace then no, there wouldn't be a need. BUT THERE IS!!! Always have been, always will be. If you can put an end to all of that and leave it only up to an individuals' production, then there wouldn't be a need for protection. How many women have been fired for filing a sexual harassment charge? Or even worse, how many women don't file a charge out of fear of being terminated (or worse)?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:17:07 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | if your a good worker, why do you need protection? who would fire a good worker?
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Not true. In the Right to Work states, as the one I live in, employers do not even have to have a reason to terminate an employee. So, no, the worker does not have the right to say what he/she wants, there is no standing up for yourself without the risk of being terminated. How just is that?
| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | Why does your worker need you to speak for him? Can he not speak for himself through his own work? That's what counts.....the work. We speak of downsizing larger governenments in the betterment of the process. And yet, the unions need to maintain their control over the worker. We complain of the government pulling our strings. And yet allow unions to pull the strings of the employee to slow down progress and upward mobility.
You know what brings a worker to the same level as his employer? Hard work and production. THAT is power.
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| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Do we actually read posts before posting. I wrote that I vote based on the candidates past voting record. What did I post that makes you post that the union buys this or tells you to do that. It's nowhere in my postings.
I do what I do in my union because I believe in workers rights, fair representation, and having a say in my working conditions. Unions allow workers to do that. A business? As long as there's an IRS, everything is a business. There are costs involved in forming a union. There's rental of space for meetings, travel and training expenses. Let's not kid ourselves here, nothing is free, my friends.
I posted some facts and quotes to support my position, and I have plenty more. All this generalizing just leads me to believe that some postings on this issue is just the same old rhetoric I hear from my bosses.
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| [Head banger] Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:17:07 PM | |
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if your a good worker, why do you need protection? who would fire a good worker?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:30:10 PM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Not true. In the Right to Work states, as the one I live in, employers do not even have to have a reason to terminate an employee. So, no, the worker does not have the right to say what he/she wants, there is no standing up for yourself without the risk of being terminated. How just is that?
| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | Why does your worker need you to speak for him? Can he not speak for himself through his own work? That's what counts.....the work. We speak of downsizing larger governenments in the betterment of the process. And yet, the unions need to maintain their control over the worker. We complain of the government pulling our strings. And yet allow unions to pull the strings of the employee to slow down progress and upward mobility.
You know what brings a worker to the same level as his employer? Hard work and production. THAT is power.
a. Hammerstein
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Do we actually read posts before posting. I wrote that I vote based on the candidates past voting record. What did I post that makes you post that the union buys this or tells you to do that. It's nowhere in my postings.
I do what I do in my union because I believe in workers rights, fair representation, and having a say in my working conditions. Unions allow workers to do that. A business? As long as there's an IRS, everything is a business. There are costs involved in forming a union. There's rental of space for meetings, travel and training expenses. Let's not kid ourselves here, nothing is free, my friends.
I posted some facts and quotes to support my position, and I have plenty more. All this generalizing just leads me to believe that some postings on this issue is just the same old rhetoric I hear from my bosses.
Please, if we're going to discuss things, then let's just do that. |
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| [ron h] Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:30:10 PM | |
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Not true. In the Right to Work states, as the one I live in, employers do not even have to have a reason to terminate an employee. So, no, the worker does not have the right to say what he/she wants, there is no standing up for yourself without the risk of being terminated. How just is that?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:40:06 PM)| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | Why does your worker need you to speak for him? Can he not speak for himself through his own work? That's what counts.....the work. We speak of downsizing larger governenments in the betterment of the process. And yet, the unions need to maintain their control over the worker. We complain of the government pulling our strings. And yet allow unions to pull the strings of the employee to slow down progress and upward mobility.
You know what brings a worker to the same level as his employer? Hard work and production. THAT is power.
a. Hammerstein
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Do we actually read posts before posting. I wrote that I vote based on the candidates past voting record. What did I post that makes you post that the union buys this or tells you to do that. It's nowhere in my postings.
I do what I do in my union because I believe in workers rights, fair representation, and having a say in my working conditions. Unions allow workers to do that. A business? As long as there's an IRS, everything is a business. There are costs involved in forming a union. There's rental of space for meetings, travel and training expenses. Let's not kid ourselves here, nothing is free, my friends.
I posted some facts and quotes to support my position, and I have plenty more. All this generalizing just leads me to believe that some postings on this issue is just the same old rhetoric I hear from my bosses.
Please, if we're going to discuss things, then let's just do that. |
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| [BLOOD SUCKER Esquire] Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:40:06 PM | |
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Why does your worker need you to speak for him? Can he not speak for himself through his own work? That's what counts.....the work. We speak of downsizing larger governenments in the betterment of the process. And yet, the unions need to maintain their control over the worker. We complain of the government pulling our strings. And yet allow unions to pull the strings of the employee to slow down progress and upward mobility.
You know what brings a worker to the same level as his employer? Hard work and production. THAT is power.
a. Hammerstein
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:00:06 AM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Do we actually read posts before posting. I wrote that I vote based on the candidates past voting record. What did I post that makes you post that the union buys this or tells you to do that. It's nowhere in my postings.
I do what I do in my union because I believe in workers rights, fair representation, and having a say in my working conditions. Unions allow workers to do that. A business? As long as there's an IRS, everything is a business. There are costs involved in forming a union. There's rental of space for meetings, travel and training expenses. Let's not kid ourselves here, nothing is free, my friends.
I posted some facts and quotes to support my position, and I have plenty more. All this generalizing just leads me to believe that some postings on this issue is just the same old rhetoric I hear from my bosses.
Please, if we're going to discuss things, then let's just do that. |
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