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[Head banger] Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:20:20 PM
no opinion is valid without at least TWO WORDS in all caps. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:39:26 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Wow. For someone "who just wants to let this drop" you certainly do write a lot.
You have trouble believing that nodody sees that Priest is in decline and that the last tour was "one of the worst" you have seen. I don't.
You are confused by my comments and feel "ridiculed." Ok. So be it. You have ridiculed others. As for my comments, only the blind (or those who don't choose to see) can't help but see that you do often play the role of "victim." That has also been mentioned by many a member and my comments going way back to the "why all the web police?" thread you felt the need to start help illustrate the point. There is a pattern there.
Good enough for a "final word?" See? I didn't even use bold or caps.
Budred wrote:
Seriously Guido, you are not getting what I said.
This whole argument has been about you guys liking the last tour and me not.
Not a single person here has to agree with me on this. Not you, not anyone. I haven't
attacked a single person for saying how much they liked this show, I just keep responding
to people ripping me for not liking it. I'm most confused by your comments because your
bringing up things that have nothing to do with what this was all about.
I said I completely agree with Jimmy's (last) post. He wasn't referring to this tour in his last post,
he was talking about a steady rate of decline since the Re-union. I have trouble believing no one
sees this. He stated facts, not opinion. If you have to ridicule me or rip me then so be it. You think I'm
attacking or wanting people to agree with me and I don't. Say or think what you will, I don't care.
I would still like to try to get along on this site. Why do you think I'm not blowing up over this?
If it's a last word thing, have your's, I won't respond. Here's my last comment and I hope it's clear
enough.
I didn't think the last tour was as good as previous tours and I agree with Jimmy that Priest
has been on a steady decline since Re-union.
I'm glad most here liked their last tour and I don't take issue with a single person who did. I did
say "I Can't Believe No One Sees This" referring to the steady decline but I'm not ripping anyone
for it nor do I think they should change their mind to agree with me. My comments are how I feel,
not how anyone else should. I can't make this any clearer. My only mistake was the sarcasm towards
guitardude. I did that because I was letting anger take over. I'm doing this to stop that!
guidogodoy wrote:
While a nice start and I do appreciate you "trying to watch what you write," Bud, you then accuse me of not reading or comprehending what you've said?! Errrm....thanks?! Talk about a veiled complement. I can guarantee, I both read and have the metal capacity to understand what you write. I just find it funny that you say that you don't ask for people to agree with you, rather, Jimmy (with whom you stated that you agree 100% in his post). That is the big difference? Ok, I don't mind if you disagree with me in that Priest is a joke and off their game as long as you agree with everyone else who has actually SEEN the current tour and says that this was the best concert more than a decade.
How is that? Don't agree with me, just agree with those who agree with me! Perfect end to a dead-end discussion without any sort of "ridicule" or misconceptions on anybody's behalf, right?
Budred wrote:
Guido, you have helped me more than any person here so I am trying to watch what I write. You are posting
without reading or comprehending what I said. I didn't say anyone had to agree with me. I said I can't believe
no one can see what Jimmy see's in this band. I emphasized that I was referring to his last post. It wasn't about
this last tour, it was about what has happened to them since Rob's return. Those questions I asked in the other(?)
thread kind of summed up what he was saying in his last post here. THe other things you're trying to ridicule me
with hasn't been an issue in over a year. I only post in Web Police when it's something more about me than
something in other threads. I would rather do this than start new threads. Also, I had great seats, I'm not sure where
you guys got the shitty seat thing from. I having coffee right now and there is no crying going on and I don't think
this is bitchin'. Let's end this, it's getting out of hand.
guidogodoy wrote:
His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this.
This was my favorite part of that comment. Read this as "it is amazing that I can't get anyone else to agree with me!" "Why don't people who have seen the show not agree 100% with someone who hasn't?" "Why don't people get my sense of humor or believe me when I affirm that my opinion is the truth?" "Should I stay or should I go?" "Why all the web police?!?"
Oh, boo fucking hoo. You got shitty seats. You claim to like other types of music? Me too. So "go on and cry in your coffee but don't come bitchin' to me."
Budred wrote:
I'm not sure I'm the only one who said the last tour wasn't all that great and I seriously
doubt that any of Jimmy's conclusions came from me. His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this. I don't think a single person can prove him wrong.
They may tell him he's wrong and they may even believe themselves when they do but everything
he stated in his (last) post was correct. That is why I would like to see them retire also. About the "who
has more people on their side" comment, you do here obviously because the last remaining diehards
are here. If you want an accurate assesment of their performance you would have to go outside of
this site to get it. Maybe a poll on facebook or youtube or something like that. I would bet that you
would find many people who thought they were subpar. I haven't seen Priest as many times as you
or alot of others but I have seen every tour except Ram It Down since Point Of Entry and this was in
my top three of bad performances. Why is it that my opinion has to be wrong because it doesn't go along
with most here. Considering how long I've been a fan and how many times I've seen them I think
my opinion is as valid as anyone else's. I didn't come here to rip Priest but lately there's nothing to praise.
guidogodoy wrote:
Well, if you want to go back to dredge up old posts, look at your own. You are back peddling. Being completely objective, you haven't had a positive thing to say about Priest in quite a number of posts. More than I care to count, at least.
You originally ripped on Vail for being "too young to know..." I am older than you and many my age who actually follow the band begged to differ. You choose to stick with Bud and his one-man opinion of a show that HRMG countered both verbally AND with video. You haven't seen Epitaph and I call BULLSHIT! What I am getting at is that I am not a fanboy in any sense of the word. I am a fan of the band and the genre. I am positive that I have seen many more JP shows than you. Some were good, some were outstanding, some were "off." The shows I saw this time around (in comparison with others) were simply outstanding. You cite whom as your many who have seen the band "many times" who disagree? Money being the driving force or not, I have a number of people I consider quite objective to back me up. You have one as per my count. You attempt to dilute the point you originally made with your comments here. Priest has been a fucking monster this tour. I have never said that about any other concert other than Painkiller. SEE the show before you attempt to dismiss it. In my eyes, you lose all credibility when you do otherwise.
About your radio show? More power to you. I am a metal fan. Defend the faith. Defend the genre. I did it for many years and would never say to do otherwise. Like many, I wouldn't want to see Priest go out on a sour note. However, this tour isn't it! Say what you will about my own view of the Hammond show but when we all know that you haven't even seen the current tour, your words to me lack all credibility.
That's because if Halford recorded himself taking a shit you'd say it sounded fantastic. - You obviously don't know me very well.
jimmyjames wrote:
I didn't say the show you were at was bad. Or that he didn't produce a great performance at that show. What I'm getting at is that overall, both live and album wise, the band is on the decline. Some of those who have seen the band many times agree. Age is part of it but I really think the band are together for the money more than anything else these days. If a new album comes out this year I could be proven wrong but I can't see them releasing anything groundbreaking or exceptional. Some fans love AOR, I think it's ok but far from their best. Nostra we all pretty much agree is rubbish. The track record since the reunion is patchy. KK is gone, crowds are waning. I just reckon it's time for this band to call it a day. I would hate to see them fizzle out.
My show isn't an internet radio show. It is broadcast over the air in our area. The show just goes on the station website so that anyone whose interested outside our area can check it out. Being that there's metal fans on this site I thought posting a link might be a good idea so some of them could listen if they wanted to. Do you think I should stop posting links and setlists from each show? Or maybe stop doing the show entirely?
guidogodoy wrote:
Now which is it, JJ? First you rip on Vail because she is apparently too young to have any sort of valid judgement when she says that she really liked a show or two. Then, when some of us "old folks" who have seen Priest MANY more times than you call bullshit on your comments for a concert you haven't even seen, you claim that we are also wrong. WTF?! Do I need to have an internet radio show once a week to say what I like and what I don't? Sorry, I was only the host of a real metal radio show back in the 90s. Too old to count in your book, I guess.
HRMG said it perfectly well. I have given up entire summer vacations to following Priest and, like any band, they have good nights and bad ones. Wish I had the interview at hand when Rob says that he tries to give it his all at every show but that, sometimes, his vocal chords didn't permit. KK said the same when he commented on some of his ad-libs. Sometimes they work and sometimes the whole band rolls their eyes at him. All we (or, I, at least) have said was that HAMMOND was a killer show! Sold-out crowd to interact with a magical and spot-on performance. While I was also in Detroit, I agree that Hammond was the one that should have been recorded. It was pure magic. I cannot and DO not claim the same for even the Montreal, Detroit, Nashville shows last time around.
Keep on promoting your radio show, buddy. Listing tracks and talking smack about what you haven't experienced seems to be your forté.
jimmyjames wrote:
I should be here as much as anyone else. I just don't view everything they do through rose tinted glasses like some here do. When I see my once favourite band in decline to such an extent that the guy who started the band wants out I'm going to speak up. I don't need to list again the the amount of rip offs this band has perpetrated and their lazy approach to producing new, quality material. If metal hadn't made a resurgence in the late 90s there's no way they would have "buried the hatchet to get out there and play for the fans". Since 04 it's been "look, we don't have to like each other but if we just keep getting out there and doing shows we can milk this". The real reason they are "only going to do the odd festival gig" from now on is because there's 20 other bands there to drag the audience in. They can't do it on their own. If you were one of the biggest names in metal and you're playing a city the size of Cleveland and 3000 turn up it's time to pack it in.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
You think that there are 25,000 cult followers in Cleveland? You think this band are as popular as Iron Maiden in 2012? Obviously NO. Priest are lucky to have even 3,000 in Cleveland. Jimmy does speak a lot of truths but he is not always right.
If the band suck this bad he shouldn't even be here. I've even said when Rob sings Painkiller it sounds like an animal being tortured but I think its funny and am not bothered by it,it seems other people fucking HATE the band so bad over it and all because of a stupid live perfomance. Get over it people!
Maybe Priest should set up a refund for fans that were disappointed as you were from your first post responding to the Cleveland show Budred,that way you could get back your hard earned money since you didn't think it was worth it and since its the last time you will ever see Priest live again regardless if they came again or not.
If my stomach wasn't all fucked up in October I would of went to the show and enjoyed every bit of it because of the "spirit" of Judas Priest as a "cult follower". My rants are because they are not putting out enough studio albums,I don't want them to quit,I want them to keep going and I don't care if thier performance struggles,its not like they totally "suck" live,just a few flaws so what.
I'm glad you enjoyed 70 % of these metal bands you saw live over the years your right its a matter of opinion,you think 70% of these metal bands are worthy,I do not. But that doesn't make me right and you wrong.
(Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:25:08 AM)
Budred wrote:
Live show for cult followers, that may explain why only 3000 out of 25,000 showed up in Cleveland.
I wasn't expecting Rob to sound like he did in 1980 (and he didn't disappoint) and I do judge bands on
their live performances. To me when they suck live they usually suck. As for no one worth seeing
that's just a matter of opinion. There may not be many classic British metal bands but there are plenty
of metal bands out there worth checking out. I've been lucky enough to see over 100 bands the last two
years and I've enjoyed at least 70 percent of them. Anyway, to each his own, and lastly, Jimmy may be a
smartass but he speaks alot of truths. Most just don't want to face them. Peace all! Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:27:57 AM
Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:34:17 PM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:30:33 PM
What I meant was it will be hard to read Budred's post/opinion about the new album when he doesn't want the band to even release the album since he wants them to retire.
Its like someone saying they are not going to watch the Super bowl because they hate the teams that are playing,yet when the Super Bowl gets here they are right there watching talking about it.
[Kirby *curb*] Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:52:35 AM
Just enjoy the band
[guidogodoy] Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:39:26 AM
Wow. For someone "who just wants to let this drop" you certainly do write a lot.
You have trouble believing that nodody sees that Priest is in decline and that the last tour was "one of the worst" you have seen. I don't.
You are confused by my comments and feel "ridiculed." Ok. So be it. You have ridiculed others. As for my comments, only the blind (or those who don't choose to see) can't help but see that you do often play the role of "victim." That has also been mentioned by many a member and my comments going way back to the "why all the web police?" thread you felt the need to start help illustrate the point. There is a pattern there.
Good enough for a "final word?" See? I didn't even use bold or caps.
Seriously Guido, you are not getting what I said.
This whole argument has been about you guys liking the last tour and me not.
Not a single person here has to agree with me on this. Not you, not anyone. I haven't
attacked a single person for saying how much they liked this show, I just keep responding
to people ripping me for not liking it. I'm most confused by your comments because your
bringing up things that have nothing to do with what this was all about.
I said I completely agree with Jimmy's (last) post. He wasn't referring to this tour in his last post,
he was talking about a steady rate of decline since the Re-union. I have trouble believing no one
sees this. He stated facts, not opinion. If you have to ridicule me or rip me then so be it. You think I'm
attacking or wanting people to agree with me and I don't. Say or think what you will, I don't care.
I would still like to try to get along on this site. Why do you think I'm not blowing up over this?
If it's a last word thing, have your's, I won't respond. Here's my last comment and I hope it's clear
enough.
I didn't think the last tour was as good as previous tours and I agree with Jimmy that Priest
has been on a steady decline since Re-union.
I'm glad most here liked their last tour and I don't take issue with a single person who did. I did
say "I Can't Believe No One Sees This" referring to the steady decline but I'm not ripping anyone
for it nor do I think they should change their mind to agree with me. My comments are how I feel,
not how anyone else should. I can't make this any clearer. My only mistake was the sarcasm towards
guitardude. I did that because I was letting anger take over. I'm doing this to stop that!
guidogodoy wrote:
While a nice start and I do appreciate you "trying to watch what you write," Bud, you then accuse me of not reading or comprehending what you've said?! Errrm....thanks?! Talk about a veiled complement. I can guarantee, I both read and have the metal capacity to understand what you write. I just find it funny that you say that you don't ask for people to agree with you, rather, Jimmy (with whom you stated that you agree 100% in his post). That is the big difference? Ok, I don't mind if you disagree with me in that Priest is a joke and off their game as long as you agree with everyone else who has actually SEEN the current tour and says that this was the best concert more than a decade.
How is that? Don't agree with me, just agree with those who agree with me! Perfect end to a dead-end discussion without any sort of "ridicule" or misconceptions on anybody's behalf, right?
Budred wrote:
Guido, you have helped me more than any person here so I am trying to watch what I write. You are posting
without reading or comprehending what I said. I didn't say anyone had to agree with me. I said I can't believe
no one can see what Jimmy see's in this band. I emphasized that I was referring to his last post. It wasn't about
this last tour, it was about what has happened to them since Rob's return. Those questions I asked in the other(?)
thread kind of summed up what he was saying in his last post here. THe other things you're trying to ridicule me
with hasn't been an issue in over a year. I only post in Web Police when it's something more about me than
something in other threads. I would rather do this than start new threads. Also, I had great seats, I'm not sure where
you guys got the shitty seat thing from. I having coffee right now and there is no crying going on and I don't think
this is bitchin'. Let's end this, it's getting out of hand.
guidogodoy wrote:
His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this.
This was my favorite part of that comment. Read this as "it is amazing that I can't get anyone else to agree with me!" "Why don't people who have seen the show not agree 100% with someone who hasn't?" "Why don't people get my sense of humor or believe me when I affirm that my opinion is the truth?" "Should I stay or should I go?" "Why all the web police?!?"
Oh, boo fucking hoo. You got shitty seats. You claim to like other types of music? Me too. So "go on and cry in your coffee but don't come bitchin' to me."
Budred wrote:
I'm not sure I'm the only one who said the last tour wasn't all that great and I seriously
doubt that any of Jimmy's conclusions came from me. His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this. I don't think a single person can prove him wrong.
They may tell him he's wrong and they may even believe themselves when they do but everything
he stated in his (last) post was correct. That is why I would like to see them retire also. About the "who
has more people on their side" comment, you do here obviously because the last remaining diehards
are here. If you want an accurate assesment of their performance you would have to go outside of
this site to get it. Maybe a poll on facebook or youtube or something like that. I would bet that you
would find many people who thought they were subpar. I haven't seen Priest as many times as you
or alot of others but I have seen every tour except Ram It Down since Point Of Entry and this was in
my top three of bad performances. Why is it that my opinion has to be wrong because it doesn't go along
with most here. Considering how long I've been a fan and how many times I've seen them I think
my opinion is as valid as anyone else's. I didn't come here to rip Priest but lately there's nothing to praise.
guidogodoy wrote:
Well, if you want to go back to dredge up old posts, look at your own. You are back peddling. Being completely objective, you haven't had a positive thing to say about Priest in quite a number of posts. More than I care to count, at least.
You originally ripped on Vail for being "too young to know..." I am older than you and many my age who actually follow the band begged to differ. You choose to stick with Bud and his one-man opinion of a show that HRMG countered both verbally AND with video. You haven't seen Epitaph and I call BULLSHIT! What I am getting at is that I am not a fanboy in any sense of the word. I am a fan of the band and the genre. I am positive that I have seen many more JP shows than you. Some were good, some were outstanding, some were "off." The shows I saw this time around (in comparison with others) were simply outstanding. You cite whom as your many who have seen the band "many times" who disagree? Money being the driving force or not, I have a number of people I consider quite objective to back me up. You have one as per my count. You attempt to dilute the point you originally made with your comments here. Priest has been a fucking monster this tour. I have never said that about any other concert other than Painkiller. SEE the show before you attempt to dismiss it. In my eyes, you lose all credibility when you do otherwise.
About your radio show? More power to you. I am a metal fan. Defend the faith. Defend the genre. I did it for many years and would never say to do otherwise. Like many, I wouldn't want to see Priest go out on a sour note. However, this tour isn't it! Say what you will about my own view of the Hammond show but when we all know that you haven't even seen the current tour, your words to me lack all credibility.
That's because if Halford recorded himself taking a shit you'd say it sounded fantastic. - You obviously don't know me very well.
jimmyjames wrote:
I didn't say the show you were at was bad. Or that he didn't produce a great performance at that show. What I'm getting at is that overall, both live and album wise, the band is on the decline. Some of those who have seen the band many times agree. Age is part of it but I really think the band are together for the money more than anything else these days. If a new album comes out this year I could be proven wrong but I can't see them releasing anything groundbreaking or exceptional. Some fans love AOR, I think it's ok but far from their best. Nostra we all pretty much agree is rubbish. The track record since the reunion is patchy. KK is gone, crowds are waning. I just reckon it's time for this band to call it a day. I would hate to see them fizzle out.
My show isn't an internet radio show. It is broadcast over the air in our area. The show just goes on the station website so that anyone whose interested outside our area can check it out. Being that there's metal fans on this site I thought posting a link might be a good idea so some of them could listen if they wanted to. Do you think I should stop posting links and setlists from each show? Or maybe stop doing the show entirely?
guidogodoy wrote:
Now which is it, JJ? First you rip on Vail because she is apparently too young to have any sort of valid judgement when she says that she really liked a show or two. Then, when some of us "old folks" who have seen Priest MANY more times than you call bullshit on your comments for a concert you haven't even seen, you claim that we are also wrong. WTF?! Do I need to have an internet radio show once a week to say what I like and what I don't? Sorry, I was only the host of a real metal radio show back in the 90s. Too old to count in your book, I guess.
HRMG said it perfectly well. I have given up entire summer vacations to following Priest and, like any band, they have good nights and bad ones. Wish I had the interview at hand when Rob says that he tries to give it his all at every show but that, sometimes, his vocal chords didn't permit. KK said the same when he commented on some of his ad-libs. Sometimes they work and sometimes the whole band rolls their eyes at him. All we (or, I, at least) have said was that HAMMOND was a killer show! Sold-out crowd to interact with a magical and spot-on performance. While I was also in Detroit, I agree that Hammond was the one that should have been recorded. It was pure magic. I cannot and DO not claim the same for even the Montreal, Detroit, Nashville shows last time around.
Keep on promoting your radio show, buddy. Listing tracks and talking smack about what you haven't experienced seems to be your forté.
jimmyjames wrote:
I should be here as much as anyone else. I just don't view everything they do through rose tinted glasses like some here do. When I see my once favourite band in decline to such an extent that the guy who started the band wants out I'm going to speak up. I don't need to list again the the amount of rip offs this band has perpetrated and their lazy approach to producing new, quality material. If metal hadn't made a resurgence in the late 90s there's no way they would have "buried the hatchet to get out there and play for the fans". Since 04 it's been "look, we don't have to like each other but if we just keep getting out there and doing shows we can milk this". The real reason they are "only going to do the odd festival gig" from now on is because there's 20 other bands there to drag the audience in. They can't do it on their own. If you were one of the biggest names in metal and you're playing a city the size of Cleveland and 3000 turn up it's time to pack it in.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
You think that there are 25,000 cult followers in Cleveland? You think this band are as popular as Iron Maiden in 2012? Obviously NO. Priest are lucky to have even 3,000 in Cleveland. Jimmy does speak a lot of truths but he is not always right.
If the band suck this bad he shouldn't even be here. I've even said when Rob sings Painkiller it sounds like an animal being tortured but I think its funny and am not bothered by it,it seems other people fucking HATE the band so bad over it and all because of a stupid live perfomance. Get over it people!
Maybe Priest should set up a refund for fans that were disappointed as you were from your first post responding to the Cleveland show Budred,that way you could get back your hard earned money since you didn't think it was worth it and since its the last time you will ever see Priest live again regardless if they came again or not.
If my stomach wasn't all fucked up in October I would of went to the show and enjoyed every bit of it because of the "spirit" of Judas Priest as a "cult follower". My rants are because they are not putting out enough studio albums,I don't want them to quit,I want them to keep going and I don't care if thier performance struggles,its not like they totally "suck" live,just a few flaws so what.
I'm glad you enjoyed 70 % of these metal bands you saw live over the years your right its a matter of opinion,you think 70% of these metal bands are worthy,I do not. But that doesn't make me right and you wrong.
(Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:25:08 AM)
Budred wrote:
Live show for cult followers, that may explain why only 3000 out of 25,000 showed up in Cleveland.
I wasn't expecting Rob to sound like he did in 1980 (and he didn't disappoint) and I do judge bands on
their live performances. To me when they suck live they usually suck. As for no one worth seeing
that's just a matter of opinion. There may not be many classic British metal bands but there are plenty
of metal bands out there worth checking out. I've been lucky enough to see over 100 bands the last two
years and I've enjoyed at least 70 percent of them. Anyway, to each his own, and lastly, Jimmy may be a
smartass but he speaks alot of truths. Most just don't want to face them. Peace all! Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:27:57 AM
Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:34:17 PM
[Brian_Evans] Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:58:42 AM
So Budreds opinion about the new Priest cd will be invalid just because he thinks they should retire?? What the heck kind of thinking is that?? scheez
[Head banger] Tuesday, January 31, 2012 7:55:41 AM
Hogwash! What bunk! Why is it that we never see eye-to-eye? Ok, you are taller. It might explain something.
All that aside, if you find someone to offer the exact same theory I might agree with them.
Head banger wrote:
perhaps we are speaking in a different language that just happens to use the same words?
guidogodoy wrote:
While a nice start and I do appreciate you "trying to watch what you write," Bud, you then accuse me of not reading or comprehending what you've said?! Errrm....thanks?! Talk about a veiled complement. I can guarantee, I both read and have the metal capacity to understand what you write. I just find it funny that you say that you don't ask for people to agree with you, rather, Jimmy (with whom you stated that you agree 100% in his post). That is the big difference? Ok, I don't mind if you disagree with me in that Priest is a joke and off their game as long as you agree with everyone else who has actually SEEN the current tour and says that this was the best concert more than a decade.
How is that? Don't agree with me, just agree with those who agree with me! Perfect end to a dead-end discussion without any sort of "ridicule" or misconceptions on anybody's behalf, right?
Budred wrote:
Guido, you have helped me more than any person here so I am trying to watch what I write. You are posting
without reading or comprehending what I said. I didn't say anyone had to agree with me. I said I can't believe
no one can see what Jimmy see's in this band. I emphasized that I was referring to his last post. It wasn't about
this last tour, it was about what has happened to them since Rob's return. Those questions I asked in the other(?)
thread kind of summed up what he was saying in his last post here. THe other things you're trying to ridicule me
with hasn't been an issue in over a year. I only post in Web Police when it's something more about me than
something in other threads. I would rather do this than start new threads. Also, I had great seats, I'm not sure where
you guys got the shitty seat thing from. I having coffee right now and there is no crying going on and I don't think
this is bitchin'. Let's end this, it's getting out of hand.
guidogodoy wrote:
His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this.
This was my favorite part of that comment. Read this as "it is amazing that I can't get anyone else to agree with me!" "Why don't people who have seen the show not agree 100% with someone who hasn't?" "Why don't people get my sense of humor or believe me when I affirm that my opinion is the truth?" "Should I stay or should I go?" "Why all the web police?!?"
Oh, boo fucking hoo. You got shitty seats. You claim to like other types of music? Me too. So "go on and cry in your coffee but don't come bitchin' to me."
Budred wrote:
I'm not sure I'm the only one who said the last tour wasn't all that great and I seriously
doubt that any of Jimmy's conclusions came from me. His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this. I don't think a single person can prove him wrong.
They may tell him he's wrong and they may even believe themselves when they do but everything
he stated in his (last) post was correct. That is why I would like to see them retire also. About the "who
has more people on their side" comment, you do here obviously because the last remaining diehards
are here. If you want an accurate assesment of their performance you would have to go outside of
this site to get it. Maybe a poll on facebook or youtube or something like that. I would bet that you
would find many people who thought they were subpar. I haven't seen Priest as many times as you
or alot of others but I have seen every tour except Ram It Down since Point Of Entry and this was in
my top three of bad performances. Why is it that my opinion has to be wrong because it doesn't go along
with most here. Considering how long I've been a fan and how many times I've seen them I think
my opinion is as valid as anyone else's. I didn't come here to rip Priest but lately there's nothing to praise.
guidogodoy wrote:
Well, if you want to go back to dredge up old posts, look at your own. You are back peddling. Being completely objective, you haven't had a positive thing to say about Priest in quite a number of posts. More than I care to count, at least.
You originally ripped on Vail for being "too young to know..." I am older than you and many my age who actually follow the band begged to differ. You choose to stick with Bud and his one-man opinion of a show that HRMG countered both verbally AND with video. You haven't seen Epitaph and I call BULLSHIT! What I am getting at is that I am not a fanboy in any sense of the word. I am a fan of the band and the genre. I am positive that I have seen many more JP shows than you. Some were good, some were outstanding, some were "off." The shows I saw this time around (in comparison with others) were simply outstanding. You cite whom as your many who have seen the band "many times" who disagree? Money being the driving force or not, I have a number of people I consider quite objective to back me up. You have one as per my count. You attempt to dilute the point you originally made with your comments here. Priest has been a fucking monster this tour. I have never said that about any other concert other than Painkiller. SEE the show before you attempt to dismiss it. In my eyes, you lose all credibility when you do otherwise.
About your radio show? More power to you. I am a metal fan. Defend the faith. Defend the genre. I did it for many years and would never say to do otherwise. Like many, I wouldn't want to see Priest go out on a sour note. However, this tour isn't it! Say what you will about my own view of the Hammond show but when we all know that you haven't even seen the current tour, your words to me lack all credibility.
That's because if Halford recorded himself taking a shit you'd say it sounded fantastic. - You obviously don't know me very well.
jimmyjames wrote:
I didn't say the show you were at was bad. Or that he didn't produce a great performance at that show. What I'm getting at is that overall, both live and album wise, the band is on the decline. Some of those who have seen the band many times agree. Age is part of it but I really think the band are together for the money more than anything else these days. If a new album comes out this year I could be proven wrong but I can't see them releasing anything groundbreaking or exceptional. Some fans love AOR, I think it's ok but far from their best. Nostra we all pretty much agree is rubbish. The track record since the reunion is patchy. KK is gone, crowds are waning. I just reckon it's time for this band to call it a day. I would hate to see them fizzle out.
My show isn't an internet radio show. It is broadcast over the air in our area. The show just goes on the station website so that anyone whose interested outside our area can check it out. Being that there's metal fans on this site I thought posting a link might be a good idea so some of them could listen if they wanted to. Do you think I should stop posting links and setlists from each show? Or maybe stop doing the show entirely?
guidogodoy wrote:
Now which is it, JJ? First you rip on Vail because she is apparently too young to have any sort of valid judgement when she says that she really liked a show or two. Then, when some of us "old folks" who have seen Priest MANY more times than you call bullshit on your comments for a concert you haven't even seen, you claim that we are also wrong. WTF?! Do I need to have an internet radio show once a week to say what I like and what I don't? Sorry, I was only the host of a real metal radio show back in the 90s. Too old to count in your book, I guess.
HRMG said it perfectly well. I have given up entire summer vacations to following Priest and, like any band, they have good nights and bad ones. Wish I had the interview at hand when Rob says that he tries to give it his all at every show but that, sometimes, his vocal chords didn't permit. KK said the same when he commented on some of his ad-libs. Sometimes they work and sometimes the whole band rolls their eyes at him. All we (or, I, at least) have said was that HAMMOND was a killer show! Sold-out crowd to interact with a magical and spot-on performance. While I was also in Detroit, I agree that Hammond was the one that should have been recorded. It was pure magic. I cannot and DO not claim the same for even the Montreal, Detroit, Nashville shows last time around.
Keep on promoting your radio show, buddy. Listing tracks and talking smack about what you haven't experienced seems to be your forté.
jimmyjames wrote:
I should be here as much as anyone else. I just don't view everything they do through rose tinted glasses like some here do. When I see my once favourite band in decline to such an extent that the guy who started the band wants out I'm going to speak up. I don't need to list again the the amount of rip offs this band has perpetrated and their lazy approach to producing new, quality material. If metal hadn't made a resurgence in the late 90s there's no way they would have "buried the hatchet to get out there and play for the fans". Since 04 it's been "look, we don't have to like each other but if we just keep getting out there and doing shows we can milk this". The real reason they are "only going to do the odd festival gig" from now on is because there's 20 other bands there to drag the audience in. They can't do it on their own. If you were one of the biggest names in metal and you're playing a city the size of Cleveland and 3000 turn up it's time to pack it in.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
You think that there are 25,000 cult followers in Cleveland? You think this band are as popular as Iron Maiden in 2012? Obviously NO. Priest are lucky to have even 3,000 in Cleveland. Jimmy does speak a lot of truths but he is not always right.
If the band suck this bad he shouldn't even be here. I've even said when Rob sings Painkiller it sounds like an animal being tortured but I think its funny and am not bothered by it,it seems other people fucking HATE the band so bad over it and all because of a stupid live perfomance. Get over it people!
Maybe Priest should set up a refund for fans that were disappointed as you were from your first post responding to the Cleveland show Budred,that way you could get back your hard earned money since you didn't think it was worth it and since its the last time you will ever see Priest live again regardless if they came again or not.
If my stomach wasn't all fucked up in October I would of went to the show and enjoyed every bit of it because of the "spirit" of Judas Priest as a "cult follower". My rants are because they are not putting out enough studio albums,I don't want them to quit,I want them to keep going and I don't care if thier performance struggles,its not like they totally "suck" live,just a few flaws so what.
I'm glad you enjoyed 70 % of these metal bands you saw live over the years your right its a matter of opinion,you think 70% of these metal bands are worthy,I do not. But that doesn't make me right and you wrong.
(Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:25:08 AM)
Budred wrote:
Live show for cult followers, that may explain why only 3000 out of 25,000 showed up in Cleveland.
I wasn't expecting Rob to sound like he did in 1980 (and he didn't disappoint) and I do judge bands on
their live performances. To me when they suck live they usually suck. As for no one worth seeing
that's just a matter of opinion. There may not be many classic British metal bands but there are plenty
of metal bands out there worth checking out. I've been lucky enough to see over 100 bands the last two
years and I've enjoyed at least 70 percent of them. Anyway, to each his own, and lastly, Jimmy may be a
smartass but he speaks alot of truths. Most just don't want to face them. Peace all! Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:27:57 AM
Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:34:17 PM
[Head banger] Tuesday, January 31, 2012 7:48:44 AM
I dunno. this tour was better than the last. not just rob, but the sound of the band in general. better show, better energy, scott seemed beter.... maybe they were on the decline and are now on the way up? probably not, this might just be an upward blip, but its not a straight line decent. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, January 31, 2012 6:38:10 AM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Of course Priest has been on a decline since the reunion tour that was 8 years ago,Rob was 52 and now is 60,Glenn was 56 and now is 64. Even maiden's Dickinson isn't flawless although has been more consistant than Rob yes,Motorhead is on a decline...Lemmy is 66 years old now,its not just Priest. Most people in here "see this" they are not retarded,no really need for Jimmy or you to even point that out in the first place.
You did mention you wish they would retire,and that means what is says so if they retire and hang everything up compleately that is your wish.....so when the new album comes out your opinion really is invalid then right? It should be because you wish them to retire,if you like it or don't that won't be the point...alls you will be able to really say is you wish they would of retired instead of putting out the album,we shouldn't see you posting opinions on song titles,song structures ect....
(Quoting Message by Budred from Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:49:45 AM)
Budred wrote:
Seriously Guido, you are not getting what I said.
This whole argument has been about you guys liking the last tour and me not.
Not a single person here has to agree with me on this. Not you, not anyone. I haven't
attacked a single person for saying how much they liked this show, I just keep responding
to people ripping me for not liking it. I'm most confused by your comments because your
bringing up things that have nothing to do with what this was all about.
I said I completely agree with Jimmy's (last) post. He wasn't referring to this tour in his last post,
he was talking about a steady rate of decline since the Re-union. I have trouble believing no one
sees this. He stated facts, not opinion. If you have to ridicule me or rip me then so be it. You think I'm
attacking or wanting people to agree with me and I don't. Say or think what you will, I don't care.
I would still like to try to get along on this site. Why do you think I'm not blowing up over this?
If it's a last word thing, have your's, I won't respond. Here's my last comment and I hope it's clear
enough.
I didn't think the last tour was as good as previous tours and I agree with Jimmy that Priest
has been on a steady decline since Re-union.
I'm glad most here liked their last tour and I don't take issue with a single person who did. I did
say "I Can't Believe No One Sees This" referring to the steady decline but I'm not ripping anyone
for it nor do I think they should change their mind to agree with me. My comments are how I feel,
not how anyone else should. I can't make this any clearer. My only mistake was the sarcasm towards
guitardude. I did that because I was letting anger take over. I'm doing this to stop that!
guidogodoy wrote:
While a nice start and I do appreciate you "trying to watch what you write," Bud, you then accuse me of not reading or comprehending what you've said?! Errrm....thanks?! Talk about a veiled complement. I can guarantee, I both read and have the metal capacity to understand what you write. I just find it funny that you say that you don't ask for people to agree with you, rather, Jimmy (with whom you stated that you agree 100% in his post). That is the big difference? Ok, I don't mind if you disagree with me in that Priest is a joke and off their game as long as you agree with everyone else who has actually SEEN the current tour and says that this was the best concert more than a decade.
How is that? Don't agree with me, just agree with those who agree with me! Perfect end to a dead-end discussion without any sort of "ridicule" or misconceptions on anybody's behalf, right?
Budred wrote:
Guido, you have helped me more than any person here so I am trying to watch what I write. You are posting
without reading or comprehending what I said. I didn't say anyone had to agree with me. I said I can't believe
no one can see what Jimmy see's in this band. I emphasized that I was referring to his last post. It wasn't about
this last tour, it was about what has happened to them since Rob's return. Those questions I asked in the other(?)
thread kind of summed up what he was saying in his last post here. THe other things you're trying to ridicule me
with hasn't been an issue in over a year. I only post in Web Police when it's something more about me than
something in other threads. I would rather do this than start new threads. Also, I had great seats, I'm not sure where
you guys got the shitty seat thing from. I having coffee right now and there is no crying going on and I don't think
this is bitchin'. Let's end this, it's getting out of hand.
guidogodoy wrote:
His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this.
This was my favorite part of that comment. Read this as "it is amazing that I can't get anyone else to agree with me!" "Why don't people who have seen the show not agree 100% with someone who hasn't?" "Why don't people get my sense of humor or believe me when I affirm that my opinion is the truth?" "Should I stay or should I go?" "Why all the web police?!?"
Oh, boo fucking hoo. You got shitty seats. You claim to like other types of music? Me too. So "go on and cry in your coffee but don't come bitchin' to me."
Budred wrote:
I'm not sure I'm the only one who said the last tour wasn't all that great and I seriously
doubt that any of Jimmy's conclusions came from me. His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this. I don't think a single person can prove him wrong.
They may tell him he's wrong and they may even believe themselves when they do but everything
he stated in his (last) post was correct. That is why I would like to see them retire also. About the "who
has more people on their side" comment, you do here obviously because the last remaining diehards
are here. If you want an accurate assesment of their performance you would have to go outside of
this site to get it. Maybe a poll on facebook or youtube or something like that. I would bet that you
would find many people who thought they were subpar. I haven't seen Priest as many times as you
or alot of others but I have seen every tour except Ram It Down since Point Of Entry and this was in
my top three of bad performances. Why is it that my opinion has to be wrong because it doesn't go along
with most here. Considering how long I've been a fan and how many times I've seen them I think
my opinion is as valid as anyone else's. I didn't come here to rip Priest but lately there's nothing to praise.
guidogodoy wrote:
Well, if you want to go back to dredge up old posts, look at your own. You are back peddling. Being completely objective, you haven't had a positive thing to say about Priest in quite a number of posts. More than I care to count, at least.
You originally ripped on Vail for being "too young to know..." I am older than you and many my age who actually follow the band begged to differ. You choose to stick with Bud and his one-man opinion of a show that HRMG countered both verbally AND with video. You haven't seen Epitaph and I call BULLSHIT! What I am getting at is that I am not a fanboy in any sense of the word. I am a fan of the band and the genre. I am positive that I have seen many more JP shows than you. Some were good, some were outstanding, some were "off." The shows I saw this time around (in comparison with others) were simply outstanding. You cite whom as your many who have seen the band "many times" who disagree? Money being the driving force or not, I have a number of people I consider quite objective to back me up. You have one as per my count. You attempt to dilute the point you originally made with your comments here. Priest has been a fucking monster this tour. I have never said that about any other concert other than Painkiller. SEE the show before you attempt to dismiss it. In my eyes, you lose all credibility when you do otherwise.
About your radio show? More power to you. I am a metal fan. Defend the faith. Defend the genre. I did it for many years and would never say to do otherwise. Like many, I wouldn't want to see Priest go out on a sour note. However, this tour isn't it! Say what you will about my own view of the Hammond show but when we all know that you haven't even seen the current tour, your words to me lack all credibility.
That's because if Halford recorded himself taking a shit you'd say it sounded fantastic. - You obviously don't know me very well.
jimmyjames wrote:
I didn't say the show you were at was bad. Or that he didn't produce a great performance at that show. What I'm getting at is that overall, both live and album wise, the band is on the decline. Some of those who have seen the band many times agree. Age is part of it but I really think the band are together for the money more than anything else these days. If a new album comes out this year I could be proven wrong but I can't see them releasing anything groundbreaking or exceptional. Some fans love AOR, I think it's ok but far from their best. Nostra we all pretty much agree is rubbish. The track record since the reunion is patchy. KK is gone, crowds are waning. I just reckon it's time for this band to call it a day. I would hate to see them fizzle out.
My show isn't an internet radio show. It is broadcast over the air in our area. The show just goes on the station website so that anyone whose interested outside our area can check it out. Being that there's metal fans on this site I thought posting a link might be a good idea so some of them could listen if they wanted to. Do you think I should stop posting links and setlists from each show? Or maybe stop doing the show entirely?
guidogodoy wrote:
Now which is it, JJ? First you rip on Vail because she is apparently too young to have any sort of valid judgement when she says that she really liked a show or two. Then, when some of us "old folks" who have seen Priest MANY more times than you call bullshit on your comments for a concert you haven't even seen, you claim that we are also wrong. WTF?! Do I need to have an internet radio show once a week to say what I like and what I don't? Sorry, I was only the host of a real metal radio show back in the 90s. Too old to count in your book, I guess.
HRMG said it perfectly well. I have given up entire summer vacations to following Priest and, like any band, they have good nights and bad ones. Wish I had the interview at hand when Rob says that he tries to give it his all at every show but that, sometimes, his vocal chords didn't permit. KK said the same when he commented on some of his ad-libs. Sometimes they work and sometimes the whole band rolls their eyes at him. All we (or, I, at least) have said was that HAMMOND was a killer show! Sold-out crowd to interact with a magical and spot-on performance. While I was also in Detroit, I agree that Hammond was the one that should have been recorded. It was pure magic. I cannot and DO not claim the same for even the Montreal, Detroit, Nashville shows last time around.
Keep on promoting your radio show, buddy. Listing tracks and talking smack about what you haven't experienced seems to be your forté.
jimmyjames wrote:
I should be here as much as anyone else. I just don't view everything they do through rose tinted glasses like some here do. When I see my once favourite band in decline to such an extent that the guy who started the band wants out I'm going to speak up. I don't need to list again the the amount of rip offs this band has perpetrated and their lazy approach to producing new, quality material. If metal hadn't made a resurgence in the late 90s there's no way they would have "buried the hatchet to get out there and play for the fans". Since 04 it's been "look, we don't have to like each other but if we just keep getting out there and doing shows we can milk this". The real reason they are "only going to do the odd festival gig" from now on is because there's 20 other bands there to drag the audience in. They can't do it on their own. If you were one of the biggest names in metal and you're playing a city the size of Cleveland and 3000 turn up it's time to pack it in.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
You think that there are 25,000 cult followers in Cleveland? You think this band are as popular as Iron Maiden in 2012? Obviously NO. Priest are lucky to have even 3,000 in Cleveland. Jimmy does speak a lot of truths but he is not always right.
If the band suck this bad he shouldn't even be here. I've even said when Rob sings Painkiller it sounds like an animal being tortured but I think its funny and am not bothered by it,it seems other people fucking HATE the band so bad over it and all because of a stupid live perfomance. Get over it people!
Maybe Priest should set up a refund for fans that were disappointed as you were from your first post responding to the Cleveland show Budred,that way you could get back your hard earned money since you didn't think it was worth it and since its the last time you will ever see Priest live again regardless if they came again or not.
If my stomach wasn't all fucked up in October I would of went to the show and enjoyed every bit of it because of the "spirit" of Judas Priest as a "cult follower". My rants are because they are not putting out enough studio albums,I don't want them to quit,I want them to keep going and I don't care if thier performance struggles,its not like they totally "suck" live,just a few flaws so what.
I'm glad you enjoyed 70 % of these metal bands you saw live over the years your right its a matter of opinion,you think 70% of these metal bands are worthy,I do not. But that doesn't make me right and you wrong.
(Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:25:08 AM)
Budred wrote:
Live show for cult followers, that may explain why only 3000 out of 25,000 showed up in Cleveland.
I wasn't expecting Rob to sound like he did in 1980 (and he didn't disappoint) and I do judge bands on
their live performances. To me when they suck live they usually suck. As for no one worth seeing
that's just a matter of opinion. There may not be many classic British metal bands but there are plenty
of metal bands out there worth checking out. I've been lucky enough to see over 100 bands the last two
years and I've enjoyed at least 70 percent of them. Anyway, to each his own, and lastly, Jimmy may be a
smartass but he speaks alot of truths. Most just don't want to face them. Peace all! Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:27:57 AM
Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:34:17 PM
Edited at: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 7:05:19 AM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, January 31, 2012 6:38:10 AM
Of course Priest has been on a decline since the reunion tour that was 8 years ago,Rob was 52 and now is 60,Glenn was 56 and now is 64. Even maiden's Dickinson isn't flawless although has been more consistant than Rob yes,Motorhead is on a decline...Lemmy is 66 years old now,its not just Priest. Most people in here "see this" they are not retarded,no really need for Jimmy or you to even point that out in the first place.
You did mention you wish they would retire,and that means what is says so if they retire and hang everything up compleately that is your wish.....so when the new album comes out your opinion really is invalid then right? It should be because you wish them to retire,if you like it or don't that won't be the point...alls you will be able to really say is you wish they would of retired instead of putting out the album,we shouldn't see you posting opinions on song titles,song structures ect....
Seriously Guido, you are not getting what I said.
This whole argument has been about you guys liking the last tour and me not.
Not a single person here has to agree with me on this. Not you, not anyone. I haven't
attacked a single person for saying how much they liked this show, I just keep responding
to people ripping me for not liking it. I'm most confused by your comments because your
bringing up things that have nothing to do with what this was all about.
I said I completely agree with Jimmy's (last) post. He wasn't referring to this tour in his last post,
he was talking about a steady rate of decline since the Re-union. I have trouble believing no one
sees this. He stated facts, not opinion. If you have to ridicule me or rip me then so be it. You think I'm
attacking or wanting people to agree with me and I don't. Say or think what you will, I don't care.
I would still like to try to get along on this site. Why do you think I'm not blowing up over this?
If it's a last word thing, have your's, I won't respond. Here's my last comment and I hope it's clear
enough.
I didn't think the last tour was as good as previous tours and I agree with Jimmy that Priest
has been on a steady decline since Re-union.
I'm glad most here liked their last tour and I don't take issue with a single person who did. I did
say "I Can't Believe No One Sees This" referring to the steady decline but I'm not ripping anyone
for it nor do I think they should change their mind to agree with me. My comments are how I feel,
not how anyone else should. I can't make this any clearer. My only mistake was the sarcasm towards
guitardude. I did that because I was letting anger take over. I'm doing this to stop that!
guidogodoy wrote:
While a nice start and I do appreciate you "trying to watch what you write," Bud, you then accuse me of not reading or comprehending what you've said?! Errrm....thanks?! Talk about a veiled complement. I can guarantee, I both read and have the metal capacity to understand what you write. I just find it funny that you say that you don't ask for people to agree with you, rather, Jimmy (with whom you stated that you agree 100% in his post). That is the big difference? Ok, I don't mind if you disagree with me in that Priest is a joke and off their game as long as you agree with everyone else who has actually SEEN the current tour and says that this was the best concert more than a decade.
How is that? Don't agree with me, just agree with those who agree with me! Perfect end to a dead-end discussion without any sort of "ridicule" or misconceptions on anybody's behalf, right?
Budred wrote:
Guido, you have helped me more than any person here so I am trying to watch what I write. You are posting
without reading or comprehending what I said. I didn't say anyone had to agree with me. I said I can't believe
no one can see what Jimmy see's in this band. I emphasized that I was referring to his last post. It wasn't about
this last tour, it was about what has happened to them since Rob's return. Those questions I asked in the other(?)
thread kind of summed up what he was saying in his last post here. THe other things you're trying to ridicule me
with hasn't been an issue in over a year. I only post in Web Police when it's something more about me than
something in other threads. I would rather do this than start new threads. Also, I had great seats, I'm not sure where
you guys got the shitty seat thing from. I having coffee right now and there is no crying going on and I don't think
this is bitchin'. Let's end this, it's getting out of hand.
guidogodoy wrote:
His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this.
This was my favorite part of that comment. Read this as "it is amazing that I can't get anyone else to agree with me!" "Why don't people who have seen the show not agree 100% with someone who hasn't?" "Why don't people get my sense of humor or believe me when I affirm that my opinion is the truth?" "Should I stay or should I go?" "Why all the web police?!?"
Oh, boo fucking hoo. You got shitty seats. You claim to like other types of music? Me too. So "go on and cry in your coffee but don't come bitchin' to me."
Budred wrote:
I'm not sure I'm the only one who said the last tour wasn't all that great and I seriously
doubt that any of Jimmy's conclusions came from me. His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this. I don't think a single person can prove him wrong.
They may tell him he's wrong and they may even believe themselves when they do but everything
he stated in his (last) post was correct. That is why I would like to see them retire also. About the "who
has more people on their side" comment, you do here obviously because the last remaining diehards
are here. If you want an accurate assesment of their performance you would have to go outside of
this site to get it. Maybe a poll on facebook or youtube or something like that. I would bet that you
would find many people who thought they were subpar. I haven't seen Priest as many times as you
or alot of others but I have seen every tour except Ram It Down since Point Of Entry and this was in
my top three of bad performances. Why is it that my opinion has to be wrong because it doesn't go along
with most here. Considering how long I've been a fan and how many times I've seen them I think
my opinion is as valid as anyone else's. I didn't come here to rip Priest but lately there's nothing to praise.
guidogodoy wrote:
Well, if you want to go back to dredge up old posts, look at your own. You are back peddling. Being completely objective, you haven't had a positive thing to say about Priest in quite a number of posts. More than I care to count, at least.
You originally ripped on Vail for being "too young to know..." I am older than you and many my age who actually follow the band begged to differ. You choose to stick with Bud and his one-man opinion of a show that HRMG countered both verbally AND with video. You haven't seen Epitaph and I call BULLSHIT! What I am getting at is that I am not a fanboy in any sense of the word. I am a fan of the band and the genre. I am positive that I have seen many more JP shows than you. Some were good, some were outstanding, some were "off." The shows I saw this time around (in comparison with others) were simply outstanding. You cite whom as your many who have seen the band "many times" who disagree? Money being the driving force or not, I have a number of people I consider quite objective to back me up. You have one as per my count. You attempt to dilute the point you originally made with your comments here. Priest has been a fucking monster this tour. I have never said that about any other concert other than Painkiller. SEE the show before you attempt to dismiss it. In my eyes, you lose all credibility when you do otherwise.
About your radio show? More power to you. I am a metal fan. Defend the faith. Defend the genre. I did it for many years and would never say to do otherwise. Like many, I wouldn't want to see Priest go out on a sour note. However, this tour isn't it! Say what you will about my own view of the Hammond show but when we all know that you haven't even seen the current tour, your words to me lack all credibility.
That's because if Halford recorded himself taking a shit you'd say it sounded fantastic. - You obviously don't know me very well.
jimmyjames wrote:
I didn't say the show you were at was bad. Or that he didn't produce a great performance at that show. What I'm getting at is that overall, both live and album wise, the band is on the decline. Some of those who have seen the band many times agree. Age is part of it but I really think the band are together for the money more than anything else these days. If a new album comes out this year I could be proven wrong but I can't see them releasing anything groundbreaking or exceptional. Some fans love AOR, I think it's ok but far from their best. Nostra we all pretty much agree is rubbish. The track record since the reunion is patchy. KK is gone, crowds are waning. I just reckon it's time for this band to call it a day. I would hate to see them fizzle out.
My show isn't an internet radio show. It is broadcast over the air in our area. The show just goes on the station website so that anyone whose interested outside our area can check it out. Being that there's metal fans on this site I thought posting a link might be a good idea so some of them could listen if they wanted to. Do you think I should stop posting links and setlists from each show? Or maybe stop doing the show entirely?
guidogodoy wrote:
Now which is it, JJ? First you rip on Vail because she is apparently too young to have any sort of valid judgement when she says that she really liked a show or two. Then, when some of us "old folks" who have seen Priest MANY more times than you call bullshit on your comments for a concert you haven't even seen, you claim that we are also wrong. WTF?! Do I need to have an internet radio show once a week to say what I like and what I don't? Sorry, I was only the host of a real metal radio show back in the 90s. Too old to count in your book, I guess.
HRMG said it perfectly well. I have given up entire summer vacations to following Priest and, like any band, they have good nights and bad ones. Wish I had the interview at hand when Rob says that he tries to give it his all at every show but that, sometimes, his vocal chords didn't permit. KK said the same when he commented on some of his ad-libs. Sometimes they work and sometimes the whole band rolls their eyes at him. All we (or, I, at least) have said was that HAMMOND was a killer show! Sold-out crowd to interact with a magical and spot-on performance. While I was also in Detroit, I agree that Hammond was the one that should have been recorded. It was pure magic. I cannot and DO not claim the same for even the Montreal, Detroit, Nashville shows last time around.
Keep on promoting your radio show, buddy. Listing tracks and talking smack about what you haven't experienced seems to be your forté.
jimmyjames wrote:
I should be here as much as anyone else. I just don't view everything they do through rose tinted glasses like some here do. When I see my once favourite band in decline to such an extent that the guy who started the band wants out I'm going to speak up. I don't need to list again the the amount of rip offs this band has perpetrated and their lazy approach to producing new, quality material. If metal hadn't made a resurgence in the late 90s there's no way they would have "buried the hatchet to get out there and play for the fans". Since 04 it's been "look, we don't have to like each other but if we just keep getting out there and doing shows we can milk this". The real reason they are "only going to do the odd festival gig" from now on is because there's 20 other bands there to drag the audience in. They can't do it on their own. If you were one of the biggest names in metal and you're playing a city the size of Cleveland and 3000 turn up it's time to pack it in.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
You think that there are 25,000 cult followers in Cleveland? You think this band are as popular as Iron Maiden in 2012? Obviously NO. Priest are lucky to have even 3,000 in Cleveland. Jimmy does speak a lot of truths but he is not always right.
If the band suck this bad he shouldn't even be here. I've even said when Rob sings Painkiller it sounds like an animal being tortured but I think its funny and am not bothered by it,it seems other people fucking HATE the band so bad over it and all because of a stupid live perfomance. Get over it people!
Maybe Priest should set up a refund for fans that were disappointed as you were from your first post responding to the Cleveland show Budred,that way you could get back your hard earned money since you didn't think it was worth it and since its the last time you will ever see Priest live again regardless if they came again or not.
If my stomach wasn't all fucked up in October I would of went to the show and enjoyed every bit of it because of the "spirit" of Judas Priest as a "cult follower". My rants are because they are not putting out enough studio albums,I don't want them to quit,I want them to keep going and I don't care if thier performance struggles,its not like they totally "suck" live,just a few flaws so what.
I'm glad you enjoyed 70 % of these metal bands you saw live over the years your right its a matter of opinion,you think 70% of these metal bands are worthy,I do not. But that doesn't make me right and you wrong.
(Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:25:08 AM)
Budred wrote:
Live show for cult followers, that may explain why only 3000 out of 25,000 showed up in Cleveland.
I wasn't expecting Rob to sound like he did in 1980 (and he didn't disappoint) and I do judge bands on
their live performances. To me when they suck live they usually suck. As for no one worth seeing
that's just a matter of opinion. There may not be many classic British metal bands but there are plenty
of metal bands out there worth checking out. I've been lucky enough to see over 100 bands the last two
years and I've enjoyed at least 70 percent of them. Anyway, to each his own, and lastly, Jimmy may be a
smartass but he speaks alot of truths. Most just don't want to face them. Peace all! Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:27:57 AM
Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:34:17 PM
Edited at: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 7:05:19 AM
[Budred] Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:49:45 AM
Seriously Guido, you are not getting what I said.
This whole argument has been about you guys liking the last tour and me not.
Not a single person here has to agree with me on this. Not you, not anyone. I haven't
attacked a single person for saying how much they liked this show, I just keep responding
to people ripping me for not liking it. I'm most confused by your comments because your
bringing up things that have nothing to do with what this was all about.
I said I completely agree with Jimmy's (last) post. He wasn't referring to this tour in his last post,
he was talking about a steady rate of decline since the Re-union. I have trouble believing no one
sees this. He stated facts, not opinion. If you have to ridicule me or rip me then so be it. You think I'm
attacking or wanting people to agree with me and I don't. Say or think what you will, I don't care.
I would still like to try to get along on this site. Why do you think I'm not blowing up over this?
If it's a last word thing, have your's, I won't respond. Here's my last comment and I hope it's clear
enough.
I didn't think the last tour was as good as previous tours and I agree with Jimmy that Priest
has been on a steady decline since Re-union.
I'm glad most here liked their last tour and I don't take issue with a single person who did. I did
say "I Can't Believe No One Sees This" referring to the steady decline but I'm not ripping anyone
for it nor do I think they should change their mind to agree with me. My comments are how I feel,
not how anyone else should. I can't make this any clearer. My only mistake was the sarcasm towards
guitardude. I did that because I was letting anger take over. I'm doing this to stop that! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Monday, January 30, 2012 9:24:01 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
While a nice start and I do appreciate you "trying to watch what you write," Bud, you then accuse me of not reading or comprehending what you've said?! Errrm....thanks?! Talk about a veiled complement. I can guarantee, I both read and have the metal capacity to understand what you write. I just find it funny that you say that you don't ask for people to agree with you, rather, Jimmy (with whom you stated that you agree 100% in his post). That is the big difference? Ok, I don't mind if you disagree with me in that Priest is a joke and off their game as long as you agree with everyone else who has actually SEEN the current tour and says that this was the best concert more than a decade.
How is that? Don't agree with me, just agree with those who agree with me! Perfect end to a dead-end discussion without any sort of "ridicule" or misconceptions on anybody's behalf, right?
Budred wrote:
Guido, you have helped me more than any person here so I am trying to watch what I write. You are posting
without reading or comprehending what I said. I didn't say anyone had to agree with me. I said I can't believe
no one can see what Jimmy see's in this band. I emphasized that I was referring to his last post. It wasn't about
this last tour, it was about what has happened to them since Rob's return. Those questions I asked in the other(?)
thread kind of summed up what he was saying in his last post here. THe other things you're trying to ridicule me
with hasn't been an issue in over a year. I only post in Web Police when it's something more about me than
something in other threads. I would rather do this than start new threads. Also, I had great seats, I'm not sure where
you guys got the shitty seat thing from. I having coffee right now and there is no crying going on and I don't think
this is bitchin'. Let's end this, it's getting out of hand.
guidogodoy wrote:
His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this.
This was my favorite part of that comment. Read this as "it is amazing that I can't get anyone else to agree with me!" "Why don't people who have seen the show not agree 100% with someone who hasn't?" "Why don't people get my sense of humor or believe me when I affirm that my opinion is the truth?" "Should I stay or should I go?" "Why all the web police?!?"
Oh, boo fucking hoo. You got shitty seats. You claim to like other types of music? Me too. So "go on and cry in your coffee but don't come bitchin' to me."
Budred wrote:
I'm not sure I'm the only one who said the last tour wasn't all that great and I seriously
doubt that any of Jimmy's conclusions came from me. His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this. I don't think a single person can prove him wrong.
They may tell him he's wrong and they may even believe themselves when they do but everything
he stated in his (last) post was correct. That is why I would like to see them retire also. About the "who
has more people on their side" comment, you do here obviously because the last remaining diehards
are here. If you want an accurate assesment of their performance you would have to go outside of
this site to get it. Maybe a poll on facebook or youtube or something like that. I would bet that you
would find many people who thought they were subpar. I haven't seen Priest as many times as you
or alot of others but I have seen every tour except Ram It Down since Point Of Entry and this was in
my top three of bad performances. Why is it that my opinion has to be wrong because it doesn't go along
with most here. Considering how long I've been a fan and how many times I've seen them I think
my opinion is as valid as anyone else's. I didn't come here to rip Priest but lately there's nothing to praise.
guidogodoy wrote:
Well, if you want to go back to dredge up old posts, look at your own. You are back peddling. Being completely objective, you haven't had a positive thing to say about Priest in quite a number of posts. More than I care to count, at least.
You originally ripped on Vail for being "too young to know..." I am older than you and many my age who actually follow the band begged to differ. You choose to stick with Bud and his one-man opinion of a show that HRMG countered both verbally AND with video. You haven't seen Epitaph and I call BULLSHIT! What I am getting at is that I am not a fanboy in any sense of the word. I am a fan of the band and the genre. I am positive that I have seen many more JP shows than you. Some were good, some were outstanding, some were "off." The shows I saw this time around (in comparison with others) were simply outstanding. You cite whom as your many who have seen the band "many times" who disagree? Money being the driving force or not, I have a number of people I consider quite objective to back me up. You have one as per my count. You attempt to dilute the point you originally made with your comments here. Priest has been a fucking monster this tour. I have never said that about any other concert other than Painkiller. SEE the show before you attempt to dismiss it. In my eyes, you lose all credibility when you do otherwise.
About your radio show? More power to you. I am a metal fan. Defend the faith. Defend the genre. I did it for many years and would never say to do otherwise. Like many, I wouldn't want to see Priest go out on a sour note. However, this tour isn't it! Say what you will about my own view of the Hammond show but when we all know that you haven't even seen the current tour, your words to me lack all credibility.
That's because if Halford recorded himself taking a shit you'd say it sounded fantastic. - You obviously don't know me very well.
jimmyjames wrote:
I didn't say the show you were at was bad. Or that he didn't produce a great performance at that show. What I'm getting at is that overall, both live and album wise, the band is on the decline. Some of those who have seen the band many times agree. Age is part of it but I really think the band are together for the money more than anything else these days. If a new album comes out this year I could be proven wrong but I can't see them releasing anything groundbreaking or exceptional. Some fans love AOR, I think it's ok but far from their best. Nostra we all pretty much agree is rubbish. The track record since the reunion is patchy. KK is gone, crowds are waning. I just reckon it's time for this band to call it a day. I would hate to see them fizzle out.
My show isn't an internet radio show. It is broadcast over the air in our area. The show just goes on the station website so that anyone whose interested outside our area can check it out. Being that there's metal fans on this site I thought posting a link might be a good idea so some of them could listen if they wanted to. Do you think I should stop posting links and setlists from each show? Or maybe stop doing the show entirely?
guidogodoy wrote:
Now which is it, JJ? First you rip on Vail because she is apparently too young to have any sort of valid judgement when she says that she really liked a show or two. Then, when some of us "old folks" who have seen Priest MANY more times than you call bullshit on your comments for a concert you haven't even seen, you claim that we are also wrong. WTF?! Do I need to have an internet radio show once a week to say what I like and what I don't? Sorry, I was only the host of a real metal radio show back in the 90s. Too old to count in your book, I guess.
HRMG said it perfectly well. I have given up entire summer vacations to following Priest and, like any band, they have good nights and bad ones. Wish I had the interview at hand when Rob says that he tries to give it his all at every show but that, sometimes, his vocal chords didn't permit. KK said the same when he commented on some of his ad-libs. Sometimes they work and sometimes the whole band rolls their eyes at him. All we (or, I, at least) have said was that HAMMOND was a killer show! Sold-out crowd to interact with a magical and spot-on performance. While I was also in Detroit, I agree that Hammond was the one that should have been recorded. It was pure magic. I cannot and DO not claim the same for even the Montreal, Detroit, Nashville shows last time around.
Keep on promoting your radio show, buddy. Listing tracks and talking smack about what you haven't experienced seems to be your forté.
jimmyjames wrote:
I should be here as much as anyone else. I just don't view everything they do through rose tinted glasses like some here do. When I see my once favourite band in decline to such an extent that the guy who started the band wants out I'm going to speak up. I don't need to list again the the amount of rip offs this band has perpetrated and their lazy approach to producing new, quality material. If metal hadn't made a resurgence in the late 90s there's no way they would have "buried the hatchet to get out there and play for the fans". Since 04 it's been "look, we don't have to like each other but if we just keep getting out there and doing shows we can milk this". The real reason they are "only going to do the odd festival gig" from now on is because there's 20 other bands there to drag the audience in. They can't do it on their own. If you were one of the biggest names in metal and you're playing a city the size of Cleveland and 3000 turn up it's time to pack it in.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
You think that there are 25,000 cult followers in Cleveland? You think this band are as popular as Iron Maiden in 2012? Obviously NO. Priest are lucky to have even 3,000 in Cleveland. Jimmy does speak a lot of truths but he is not always right.
If the band suck this bad he shouldn't even be here. I've even said when Rob sings Painkiller it sounds like an animal being tortured but I think its funny and am not bothered by it,it seems other people fucking HATE the band so bad over it and all because of a stupid live perfomance. Get over it people!
Maybe Priest should set up a refund for fans that were disappointed as you were from your first post responding to the Cleveland show Budred,that way you could get back your hard earned money since you didn't think it was worth it and since its the last time you will ever see Priest live again regardless if they came again or not.
If my stomach wasn't all fucked up in October I would of went to the show and enjoyed every bit of it because of the "spirit" of Judas Priest as a "cult follower". My rants are because they are not putting out enough studio albums,I don't want them to quit,I want them to keep going and I don't care if thier performance struggles,its not like they totally "suck" live,just a few flaws so what.
I'm glad you enjoyed 70 % of these metal bands you saw live over the years your right its a matter of opinion,you think 70% of these metal bands are worthy,I do not. But that doesn't make me right and you wrong.
(Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:25:08 AM)
Budred wrote:
Live show for cult followers, that may explain why only 3000 out of 25,000 showed up in Cleveland.
I wasn't expecting Rob to sound like he did in 1980 (and he didn't disappoint) and I do judge bands on
their live performances. To me when they suck live they usually suck. As for no one worth seeing
that's just a matter of opinion. There may not be many classic British metal bands but there are plenty
of metal bands out there worth checking out. I've been lucky enough to see over 100 bands the last two
years and I've enjoyed at least 70 percent of them. Anyway, to each his own, and lastly, Jimmy may be a
smartass but he speaks alot of truths. Most just don't want to face them. Peace all! Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:27:57 AM
Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:34:17 PM
[guidogodoy] Monday, January 30, 2012 11:32:18 PM
Hogwash! What bunk! Why is it that we never see eye-to-eye? Ok, you are taller. It might explain something.
All that aside, if you find someone to offer the exact same theory I might agree with them.
perhaps we are speaking in a different language that just happens to use the same words?
guidogodoy wrote:
While a nice start and I do appreciate you "trying to watch what you write," Bud, you then accuse me of not reading or comprehending what you've said?! Errrm....thanks?! Talk about a veiled complement. I can guarantee, I both read and have the metal capacity to understand what you write. I just find it funny that you say that you don't ask for people to agree with you, rather, Jimmy (with whom you stated that you agree 100% in his post). That is the big difference? Ok, I don't mind if you disagree with me in that Priest is a joke and off their game as long as you agree with everyone else who has actually SEEN the current tour and says that this was the best concert more than a decade.
How is that? Don't agree with me, just agree with those who agree with me! Perfect end to a dead-end discussion without any sort of "ridicule" or misconceptions on anybody's behalf, right?
Budred wrote:
Guido, you have helped me more than any person here so I am trying to watch what I write. You are posting
without reading or comprehending what I said. I didn't say anyone had to agree with me. I said I can't believe
no one can see what Jimmy see's in this band. I emphasized that I was referring to his last post. It wasn't about
this last tour, it was about what has happened to them since Rob's return. Those questions I asked in the other(?)
thread kind of summed up what he was saying in his last post here. THe other things you're trying to ridicule me
with hasn't been an issue in over a year. I only post in Web Police when it's something more about me than
something in other threads. I would rather do this than start new threads. Also, I had great seats, I'm not sure where
you guys got the shitty seat thing from. I having coffee right now and there is no crying going on and I don't think
this is bitchin'. Let's end this, it's getting out of hand.
guidogodoy wrote:
His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this.
This was my favorite part of that comment. Read this as "it is amazing that I can't get anyone else to agree with me!" "Why don't people who have seen the show not agree 100% with someone who hasn't?" "Why don't people get my sense of humor or believe me when I affirm that my opinion is the truth?" "Should I stay or should I go?" "Why all the web police?!?"
Oh, boo fucking hoo. You got shitty seats. You claim to like other types of music? Me too. So "go on and cry in your coffee but don't come bitchin' to me."
Budred wrote:
I'm not sure I'm the only one who said the last tour wasn't all that great and I seriously
doubt that any of Jimmy's conclusions came from me. His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this. I don't think a single person can prove him wrong.
They may tell him he's wrong and they may even believe themselves when they do but everything
he stated in his (last) post was correct. That is why I would like to see them retire also. About the "who
has more people on their side" comment, you do here obviously because the last remaining diehards
are here. If you want an accurate assesment of their performance you would have to go outside of
this site to get it. Maybe a poll on facebook or youtube or something like that. I would bet that you
would find many people who thought they were subpar. I haven't seen Priest as many times as you
or alot of others but I have seen every tour except Ram It Down since Point Of Entry and this was in
my top three of bad performances. Why is it that my opinion has to be wrong because it doesn't go along
with most here. Considering how long I've been a fan and how many times I've seen them I think
my opinion is as valid as anyone else's. I didn't come here to rip Priest but lately there's nothing to praise.
guidogodoy wrote:
Well, if you want to go back to dredge up old posts, look at your own. You are back peddling. Being completely objective, you haven't had a positive thing to say about Priest in quite a number of posts. More than I care to count, at least.
You originally ripped on Vail for being "too young to know..." I am older than you and many my age who actually follow the band begged to differ. You choose to stick with Bud and his one-man opinion of a show that HRMG countered both verbally AND with video. You haven't seen Epitaph and I call BULLSHIT! What I am getting at is that I am not a fanboy in any sense of the word. I am a fan of the band and the genre. I am positive that I have seen many more JP shows than you. Some were good, some were outstanding, some were "off." The shows I saw this time around (in comparison with others) were simply outstanding. You cite whom as your many who have seen the band "many times" who disagree? Money being the driving force or not, I have a number of people I consider quite objective to back me up. You have one as per my count. You attempt to dilute the point you originally made with your comments here. Priest has been a fucking monster this tour. I have never said that about any other concert other than Painkiller. SEE the show before you attempt to dismiss it. In my eyes, you lose all credibility when you do otherwise.
About your radio show? More power to you. I am a metal fan. Defend the faith. Defend the genre. I did it for many years and would never say to do otherwise. Like many, I wouldn't want to see Priest go out on a sour note. However, this tour isn't it! Say what you will about my own view of the Hammond show but when we all know that you haven't even seen the current tour, your words to me lack all credibility.
That's because if Halford recorded himself taking a shit you'd say it sounded fantastic. - You obviously don't know me very well.
jimmyjames wrote:
I didn't say the show you were at was bad. Or that he didn't produce a great performance at that show. What I'm getting at is that overall, both live and album wise, the band is on the decline. Some of those who have seen the band many times agree. Age is part of it but I really think the band are together for the money more than anything else these days. If a new album comes out this year I could be proven wrong but I can't see them releasing anything groundbreaking or exceptional. Some fans love AOR, I think it's ok but far from their best. Nostra we all pretty much agree is rubbish. The track record since the reunion is patchy. KK is gone, crowds are waning. I just reckon it's time for this band to call it a day. I would hate to see them fizzle out.
My show isn't an internet radio show. It is broadcast over the air in our area. The show just goes on the station website so that anyone whose interested outside our area can check it out. Being that there's metal fans on this site I thought posting a link might be a good idea so some of them could listen if they wanted to. Do you think I should stop posting links and setlists from each show? Or maybe stop doing the show entirely?
guidogodoy wrote:
Now which is it, JJ? First you rip on Vail because she is apparently too young to have any sort of valid judgement when she says that she really liked a show or two. Then, when some of us "old folks" who have seen Priest MANY more times than you call bullshit on your comments for a concert you haven't even seen, you claim that we are also wrong. WTF?! Do I need to have an internet radio show once a week to say what I like and what I don't? Sorry, I was only the host of a real metal radio show back in the 90s. Too old to count in your book, I guess.
HRMG said it perfectly well. I have given up entire summer vacations to following Priest and, like any band, they have good nights and bad ones. Wish I had the interview at hand when Rob says that he tries to give it his all at every show but that, sometimes, his vocal chords didn't permit. KK said the same when he commented on some of his ad-libs. Sometimes they work and sometimes the whole band rolls their eyes at him. All we (or, I, at least) have said was that HAMMOND was a killer show! Sold-out crowd to interact with a magical and spot-on performance. While I was also in Detroit, I agree that Hammond was the one that should have been recorded. It was pure magic. I cannot and DO not claim the same for even the Montreal, Detroit, Nashville shows last time around.
Keep on promoting your radio show, buddy. Listing tracks and talking smack about what you haven't experienced seems to be your forté.
jimmyjames wrote:
I should be here as much as anyone else. I just don't view everything they do through rose tinted glasses like some here do. When I see my once favourite band in decline to such an extent that the guy who started the band wants out I'm going to speak up. I don't need to list again the the amount of rip offs this band has perpetrated and their lazy approach to producing new, quality material. If metal hadn't made a resurgence in the late 90s there's no way they would have "buried the hatchet to get out there and play for the fans". Since 04 it's been "look, we don't have to like each other but if we just keep getting out there and doing shows we can milk this". The real reason they are "only going to do the odd festival gig" from now on is because there's 20 other bands there to drag the audience in. They can't do it on their own. If you were one of the biggest names in metal and you're playing a city the size of Cleveland and 3000 turn up it's time to pack it in.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
You think that there are 25,000 cult followers in Cleveland? You think this band are as popular as Iron Maiden in 2012? Obviously NO. Priest are lucky to have even 3,000 in Cleveland. Jimmy does speak a lot of truths but he is not always right.
If the band suck this bad he shouldn't even be here. I've even said when Rob sings Painkiller it sounds like an animal being tortured but I think its funny and am not bothered by it,it seems other people fucking HATE the band so bad over it and all because of a stupid live perfomance. Get over it people!
Maybe Priest should set up a refund for fans that were disappointed as you were from your first post responding to the Cleveland show Budred,that way you could get back your hard earned money since you didn't think it was worth it and since its the last time you will ever see Priest live again regardless if they came again or not.
If my stomach wasn't all fucked up in October I would of went to the show and enjoyed every bit of it because of the "spirit" of Judas Priest as a "cult follower". My rants are because they are not putting out enough studio albums,I don't want them to quit,I want them to keep going and I don't care if thier performance struggles,its not like they totally "suck" live,just a few flaws so what.
I'm glad you enjoyed 70 % of these metal bands you saw live over the years your right its a matter of opinion,you think 70% of these metal bands are worthy,I do not. But that doesn't make me right and you wrong.
(Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:25:08 AM)
Budred wrote:
Live show for cult followers, that may explain why only 3000 out of 25,000 showed up in Cleveland.
I wasn't expecting Rob to sound like he did in 1980 (and he didn't disappoint) and I do judge bands on
their live performances. To me when they suck live they usually suck. As for no one worth seeing
that's just a matter of opinion. There may not be many classic British metal bands but there are plenty
of metal bands out there worth checking out. I've been lucky enough to see over 100 bands the last two
years and I've enjoyed at least 70 percent of them. Anyway, to each his own, and lastly, Jimmy may be a
smartass but he speaks alot of truths. Most just don't want to face them. Peace all! Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:27:57 AM
Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:34:17 PM
[Head banger] Monday, January 30, 2012 11:18:13 PM
perhaps we are speaking in a different language that just happens to use the same words?
While a nice start and I do appreciate you "trying to watch what you write," Bud, you then accuse me of not reading or comprehending what you've said?! Errrm....thanks?! Talk about a veiled complement. I can guarantee, I both read and have the metal capacity to understand what you write. I just find it funny that you say that you don't ask for people to agree with you, rather, Jimmy (with whom you stated that you agree 100% in his post). That is the big difference? Ok, I don't mind if you disagree with me in that Priest is a joke and off their game as long as you agree with everyone else who has actually SEEN the current tour and says that this was the best concert more than a decade.
How is that? Don't agree with me, just agree with those who agree with me! Perfect end to a dead-end discussion without any sort of "ridicule" or misconceptions on anybody's behalf, right?
Budred wrote:
Guido, you have helped me more than any person here so I am trying to watch what I write. You are posting
without reading or comprehending what I said. I didn't say anyone had to agree with me. I said I can't believe
no one can see what Jimmy see's in this band. I emphasized that I was referring to his last post. It wasn't about
this last tour, it was about what has happened to them since Rob's return. Those questions I asked in the other(?)
thread kind of summed up what he was saying in his last post here. THe other things you're trying to ridicule me
with hasn't been an issue in over a year. I only post in Web Police when it's something more about me than
something in other threads. I would rather do this than start new threads. Also, I had great seats, I'm not sure where
you guys got the shitty seat thing from. I having coffee right now and there is no crying going on and I don't think
this is bitchin'. Let's end this, it's getting out of hand.
guidogodoy wrote:
His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this.
This was my favorite part of that comment. Read this as "it is amazing that I can't get anyone else to agree with me!" "Why don't people who have seen the show not agree 100% with someone who hasn't?" "Why don't people get my sense of humor or believe me when I affirm that my opinion is the truth?" "Should I stay or should I go?" "Why all the web police?!?"
Oh, boo fucking hoo. You got shitty seats. You claim to like other types of music? Me too. So "go on and cry in your coffee but don't come bitchin' to me."
Budred wrote:
I'm not sure I'm the only one who said the last tour wasn't all that great and I seriously
doubt that any of Jimmy's conclusions came from me. His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this. I don't think a single person can prove him wrong.
They may tell him he's wrong and they may even believe themselves when they do but everything
he stated in his (last) post was correct. That is why I would like to see them retire also. About the "who
has more people on their side" comment, you do here obviously because the last remaining diehards
are here. If you want an accurate assesment of their performance you would have to go outside of
this site to get it. Maybe a poll on facebook or youtube or something like that. I would bet that you
would find many people who thought they were subpar. I haven't seen Priest as many times as you
or alot of others but I have seen every tour except Ram It Down since Point Of Entry and this was in
my top three of bad performances. Why is it that my opinion has to be wrong because it doesn't go along
with most here. Considering how long I've been a fan and how many times I've seen them I think
my opinion is as valid as anyone else's. I didn't come here to rip Priest but lately there's nothing to praise.
guidogodoy wrote:
Well, if you want to go back to dredge up old posts, look at your own. You are back peddling. Being completely objective, you haven't had a positive thing to say about Priest in quite a number of posts. More than I care to count, at least.
You originally ripped on Vail for being "too young to know..." I am older than you and many my age who actually follow the band begged to differ. You choose to stick with Bud and his one-man opinion of a show that HRMG countered both verbally AND with video. You haven't seen Epitaph and I call BULLSHIT! What I am getting at is that I am not a fanboy in any sense of the word. I am a fan of the band and the genre. I am positive that I have seen many more JP shows than you. Some were good, some were outstanding, some were "off." The shows I saw this time around (in comparison with others) were simply outstanding. You cite whom as your many who have seen the band "many times" who disagree? Money being the driving force or not, I have a number of people I consider quite objective to back me up. You have one as per my count. You attempt to dilute the point you originally made with your comments here. Priest has been a fucking monster this tour. I have never said that about any other concert other than Painkiller. SEE the show before you attempt to dismiss it. In my eyes, you lose all credibility when you do otherwise.
About your radio show? More power to you. I am a metal fan. Defend the faith. Defend the genre. I did it for many years and would never say to do otherwise. Like many, I wouldn't want to see Priest go out on a sour note. However, this tour isn't it! Say what you will about my own view of the Hammond show but when we all know that you haven't even seen the current tour, your words to me lack all credibility.
That's because if Halford recorded himself taking a shit you'd say it sounded fantastic. - You obviously don't know me very well.
jimmyjames wrote:
I didn't say the show you were at was bad. Or that he didn't produce a great performance at that show. What I'm getting at is that overall, both live and album wise, the band is on the decline. Some of those who have seen the band many times agree. Age is part of it but I really think the band are together for the money more than anything else these days. If a new album comes out this year I could be proven wrong but I can't see them releasing anything groundbreaking or exceptional. Some fans love AOR, I think it's ok but far from their best. Nostra we all pretty much agree is rubbish. The track record since the reunion is patchy. KK is gone, crowds are waning. I just reckon it's time for this band to call it a day. I would hate to see them fizzle out.
My show isn't an internet radio show. It is broadcast over the air in our area. The show just goes on the station website so that anyone whose interested outside our area can check it out. Being that there's metal fans on this site I thought posting a link might be a good idea so some of them could listen if they wanted to. Do you think I should stop posting links and setlists from each show? Or maybe stop doing the show entirely?
guidogodoy wrote:
Now which is it, JJ? First you rip on Vail because she is apparently too young to have any sort of valid judgement when she says that she really liked a show or two. Then, when some of us "old folks" who have seen Priest MANY more times than you call bullshit on your comments for a concert you haven't even seen, you claim that we are also wrong. WTF?! Do I need to have an internet radio show once a week to say what I like and what I don't? Sorry, I was only the host of a real metal radio show back in the 90s. Too old to count in your book, I guess.
HRMG said it perfectly well. I have given up entire summer vacations to following Priest and, like any band, they have good nights and bad ones. Wish I had the interview at hand when Rob says that he tries to give it his all at every show but that, sometimes, his vocal chords didn't permit. KK said the same when he commented on some of his ad-libs. Sometimes they work and sometimes the whole band rolls their eyes at him. All we (or, I, at least) have said was that HAMMOND was a killer show! Sold-out crowd to interact with a magical and spot-on performance. While I was also in Detroit, I agree that Hammond was the one that should have been recorded. It was pure magic. I cannot and DO not claim the same for even the Montreal, Detroit, Nashville shows last time around.
Keep on promoting your radio show, buddy. Listing tracks and talking smack about what you haven't experienced seems to be your forté.
jimmyjames wrote:
I should be here as much as anyone else. I just don't view everything they do through rose tinted glasses like some here do. When I see my once favourite band in decline to such an extent that the guy who started the band wants out I'm going to speak up. I don't need to list again the the amount of rip offs this band has perpetrated and their lazy approach to producing new, quality material. If metal hadn't made a resurgence in the late 90s there's no way they would have "buried the hatchet to get out there and play for the fans". Since 04 it's been "look, we don't have to like each other but if we just keep getting out there and doing shows we can milk this". The real reason they are "only going to do the odd festival gig" from now on is because there's 20 other bands there to drag the audience in. They can't do it on their own. If you were one of the biggest names in metal and you're playing a city the size of Cleveland and 3000 turn up it's time to pack it in.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
You think that there are 25,000 cult followers in Cleveland? You think this band are as popular as Iron Maiden in 2012? Obviously NO. Priest are lucky to have even 3,000 in Cleveland. Jimmy does speak a lot of truths but he is not always right.
If the band suck this bad he shouldn't even be here. I've even said when Rob sings Painkiller it sounds like an animal being tortured but I think its funny and am not bothered by it,it seems other people fucking HATE the band so bad over it and all because of a stupid live perfomance. Get over it people!
Maybe Priest should set up a refund for fans that were disappointed as you were from your first post responding to the Cleveland show Budred,that way you could get back your hard earned money since you didn't think it was worth it and since its the last time you will ever see Priest live again regardless if they came again or not.
If my stomach wasn't all fucked up in October I would of went to the show and enjoyed every bit of it because of the "spirit" of Judas Priest as a "cult follower". My rants are because they are not putting out enough studio albums,I don't want them to quit,I want them to keep going and I don't care if thier performance struggles,its not like they totally "suck" live,just a few flaws so what.
I'm glad you enjoyed 70 % of these metal bands you saw live over the years your right its a matter of opinion,you think 70% of these metal bands are worthy,I do not. But that doesn't make me right and you wrong.
(Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:25:08 AM)
Budred wrote:
Live show for cult followers, that may explain why only 3000 out of 25,000 showed up in Cleveland.
I wasn't expecting Rob to sound like he did in 1980 (and he didn't disappoint) and I do judge bands on
their live performances. To me when they suck live they usually suck. As for no one worth seeing
that's just a matter of opinion. There may not be many classic British metal bands but there are plenty
of metal bands out there worth checking out. I've been lucky enough to see over 100 bands the last two
years and I've enjoyed at least 70 percent of them. Anyway, to each his own, and lastly, Jimmy may be a
smartass but he speaks alot of truths. Most just don't want to face them. Peace all! Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:27:57 AM
Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:34:17 PM
[guidogodoy] Monday, January 30, 2012 9:24:01 PM
While a nice start and I do appreciate you "trying to watch what you write," Bud, you then accuse me of not reading or comprehending what you've said?! Errrm....thanks?! Talk about a veiled complement. I can guarantee, I both read and have the metal capacity to understand what you write. I just find it funny that you say that you don't ask for people to agree with you, rather, Jimmy (with whom you stated that you agree 100% in his post). That is the big difference? Ok, I don't mind if you disagree with me in that Priest is a joke and off their game as long as you agree with everyone else who has actually SEEN the current tour and says that this was the best concert more than a decade.
How is that? Don't agree with me, just agree with those who agree with me! Perfect end to a dead-end discussion without any sort of "ridicule" or misconceptions on anybody's behalf, right?
Guido, you have helped me more than any person here so I am trying to watch what I write. You are posting
without reading or comprehending what I said. I didn't say anyone had to agree with me. I said I can't believe
no one can see what Jimmy see's in this band. I emphasized that I was referring to his last post. It wasn't about
this last tour, it was about what has happened to them since Rob's return. Those questions I asked in the other(?)
thread kind of summed up what he was saying in his last post here. THe other things you're trying to ridicule me
with hasn't been an issue in over a year. I only post in Web Police when it's something more about me than
something in other threads. I would rather do this than start new threads. Also, I had great seats, I'm not sure where
you guys got the shitty seat thing from. I having coffee right now and there is no crying going on and I don't think
this is bitchin'. Let's end this, it's getting out of hand.
guidogodoy wrote:
His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this.
This was my favorite part of that comment. Read this as "it is amazing that I can't get anyone else to agree with me!" "Why don't people who have seen the show not agree 100% with someone who hasn't?" "Why don't people get my sense of humor or believe me when I affirm that my opinion is the truth?" "Should I stay or should I go?" "Why all the web police?!?"
Oh, boo fucking hoo. You got shitty seats. You claim to like other types of music? Me too. So "go on and cry in your coffee but don't come bitchin' to me."
Budred wrote:
I'm not sure I'm the only one who said the last tour wasn't all that great and I seriously
doubt that any of Jimmy's conclusions came from me. His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this. I don't think a single person can prove him wrong.
They may tell him he's wrong and they may even believe themselves when they do but everything
he stated in his (last) post was correct. That is why I would like to see them retire also. About the "who
has more people on their side" comment, you do here obviously because the last remaining diehards
are here. If you want an accurate assesment of their performance you would have to go outside of
this site to get it. Maybe a poll on facebook or youtube or something like that. I would bet that you
would find many people who thought they were subpar. I haven't seen Priest as many times as you
or alot of others but I have seen every tour except Ram It Down since Point Of Entry and this was in
my top three of bad performances. Why is it that my opinion has to be wrong because it doesn't go along
with most here. Considering how long I've been a fan and how many times I've seen them I think
my opinion is as valid as anyone else's. I didn't come here to rip Priest but lately there's nothing to praise.
guidogodoy wrote:
Well, if you want to go back to dredge up old posts, look at your own. You are back peddling. Being completely objective, you haven't had a positive thing to say about Priest in quite a number of posts. More than I care to count, at least.
You originally ripped on Vail for being "too young to know..." I am older than you and many my age who actually follow the band begged to differ. You choose to stick with Bud and his one-man opinion of a show that HRMG countered both verbally AND with video. You haven't seen Epitaph and I call BULLSHIT! What I am getting at is that I am not a fanboy in any sense of the word. I am a fan of the band and the genre. I am positive that I have seen many more JP shows than you. Some were good, some were outstanding, some were "off." The shows I saw this time around (in comparison with others) were simply outstanding. You cite whom as your many who have seen the band "many times" who disagree? Money being the driving force or not, I have a number of people I consider quite objective to back me up. You have one as per my count. You attempt to dilute the point you originally made with your comments here. Priest has been a fucking monster this tour. I have never said that about any other concert other than Painkiller. SEE the show before you attempt to dismiss it. In my eyes, you lose all credibility when you do otherwise.
About your radio show? More power to you. I am a metal fan. Defend the faith. Defend the genre. I did it for many years and would never say to do otherwise. Like many, I wouldn't want to see Priest go out on a sour note. However, this tour isn't it! Say what you will about my own view of the Hammond show but when we all know that you haven't even seen the current tour, your words to me lack all credibility.
That's because if Halford recorded himself taking a shit you'd say it sounded fantastic. - You obviously don't know me very well.
jimmyjames wrote:
I didn't say the show you were at was bad. Or that he didn't produce a great performance at that show. What I'm getting at is that overall, both live and album wise, the band is on the decline. Some of those who have seen the band many times agree. Age is part of it but I really think the band are together for the money more than anything else these days. If a new album comes out this year I could be proven wrong but I can't see them releasing anything groundbreaking or exceptional. Some fans love AOR, I think it's ok but far from their best. Nostra we all pretty much agree is rubbish. The track record since the reunion is patchy. KK is gone, crowds are waning. I just reckon it's time for this band to call it a day. I would hate to see them fizzle out.
My show isn't an internet radio show. It is broadcast over the air in our area. The show just goes on the station website so that anyone whose interested outside our area can check it out. Being that there's metal fans on this site I thought posting a link might be a good idea so some of them could listen if they wanted to. Do you think I should stop posting links and setlists from each show? Or maybe stop doing the show entirely?
guidogodoy wrote:
Now which is it, JJ? First you rip on Vail because she is apparently too young to have any sort of valid judgement when she says that she really liked a show or two. Then, when some of us "old folks" who have seen Priest MANY more times than you call bullshit on your comments for a concert you haven't even seen, you claim that we are also wrong. WTF?! Do I need to have an internet radio show once a week to say what I like and what I don't? Sorry, I was only the host of a real metal radio show back in the 90s. Too old to count in your book, I guess.
HRMG said it perfectly well. I have given up entire summer vacations to following Priest and, like any band, they have good nights and bad ones. Wish I had the interview at hand when Rob says that he tries to give it his all at every show but that, sometimes, his vocal chords didn't permit. KK said the same when he commented on some of his ad-libs. Sometimes they work and sometimes the whole band rolls their eyes at him. All we (or, I, at least) have said was that HAMMOND was a killer show! Sold-out crowd to interact with a magical and spot-on performance. While I was also in Detroit, I agree that Hammond was the one that should have been recorded. It was pure magic. I cannot and DO not claim the same for even the Montreal, Detroit, Nashville shows last time around.
Keep on promoting your radio show, buddy. Listing tracks and talking smack about what you haven't experienced seems to be your forté.
jimmyjames wrote:
I should be here as much as anyone else. I just don't view everything they do through rose tinted glasses like some here do. When I see my once favourite band in decline to such an extent that the guy who started the band wants out I'm going to speak up. I don't need to list again the the amount of rip offs this band has perpetrated and their lazy approach to producing new, quality material. If metal hadn't made a resurgence in the late 90s there's no way they would have "buried the hatchet to get out there and play for the fans". Since 04 it's been "look, we don't have to like each other but if we just keep getting out there and doing shows we can milk this". The real reason they are "only going to do the odd festival gig" from now on is because there's 20 other bands there to drag the audience in. They can't do it on their own. If you were one of the biggest names in metal and you're playing a city the size of Cleveland and 3000 turn up it's time to pack it in.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
You think that there are 25,000 cult followers in Cleveland? You think this band are as popular as Iron Maiden in 2012? Obviously NO. Priest are lucky to have even 3,000 in Cleveland. Jimmy does speak a lot of truths but he is not always right.
If the band suck this bad he shouldn't even be here. I've even said when Rob sings Painkiller it sounds like an animal being tortured but I think its funny and am not bothered by it,it seems other people fucking HATE the band so bad over it and all because of a stupid live perfomance. Get over it people!
Maybe Priest should set up a refund for fans that were disappointed as you were from your first post responding to the Cleveland show Budred,that way you could get back your hard earned money since you didn't think it was worth it and since its the last time you will ever see Priest live again regardless if they came again or not.
If my stomach wasn't all fucked up in October I would of went to the show and enjoyed every bit of it because of the "spirit" of Judas Priest as a "cult follower". My rants are because they are not putting out enough studio albums,I don't want them to quit,I want them to keep going and I don't care if thier performance struggles,its not like they totally "suck" live,just a few flaws so what.
I'm glad you enjoyed 70 % of these metal bands you saw live over the years your right its a matter of opinion,you think 70% of these metal bands are worthy,I do not. But that doesn't make me right and you wrong.
(Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:25:08 AM)
Budred wrote:
Live show for cult followers, that may explain why only 3000 out of 25,000 showed up in Cleveland.
I wasn't expecting Rob to sound like he did in 1980 (and he didn't disappoint) and I do judge bands on
their live performances. To me when they suck live they usually suck. As for no one worth seeing
that's just a matter of opinion. There may not be many classic British metal bands but there are plenty
of metal bands out there worth checking out. I've been lucky enough to see over 100 bands the last two
years and I've enjoyed at least 70 percent of them. Anyway, to each his own, and lastly, Jimmy may be a
smartass but he speaks alot of truths. Most just don't want to face them. Peace all! Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:27:57 AM
Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:34:17 PM
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Monday, January 30, 2012 2:25:32 PM
You are so right Freeze, they did not mail it in. They are truly giving it all that they have. I can only speak for myself, but we got every single pennies worth and then some!! My only comment would be that I wish you had been with us in Hammond because that was jaw dropping unbelievable. But I completely understand and I respect your decision not to go. It was very difficult to see someone else in KK's place.
You see?? THIS is what happens when I "go away". Spirited, lively argument. (*HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!) Oh my! OK then, MY turn!!;
Haven't seen the tour. Decided that I would not, as (for ME) , it is NOT Priest. No KK, no Priest. No Rob, no Priest.... etc. I stand by that. HOWEVER, I love, love LOVE the video, HRMG !!! A really awesome effort! Is it "perfect"? , of course not! But, as mentioned, it does not have to be. Rob does sound pretty good from what I can make out on this video and, if that is indicative of the entire tour, I would say you are all getting your money's worth. SO glad to see that they are really "bringing it".
I figure those that have shelled out the money to see this tour are, by and large, very happy with what they are seeing and hearing. THAT makes me happy. They have not "mailed it in". They are giving it 100% and that is true professionalism. VERY cool.
This place has always had those that simply do not care for various aspects of the Band's performances. Even I have had my complaints about Rob's vocals. I remember VIVIDLY his performance in 1979 and I really don't think I could even compare it to ANYTHING he has done post-2005...BUT, he is far from "terrible". He has adapted to his age and abilities and he is a tremendous performer. There's just no argument about it.
At this point in my post, I would generally try to smooth things over with some diplomatic comments about being brethren and whatnot but, as I am not here all that much anymore, I really do not think I am qualified to mediate. (Probably never was!) Nonetheless, I send MUCH love to you all!!!!!!
[Deep Freeze] Monday, January 30, 2012 12:29:01 PM
You see?? THIS is what happens when I "go away". Spirited, lively argument. (*HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!) Oh my! OK then, MY turn!!;
Haven't seen the tour. Decided that I would not, as (for ME) , it is NOT Priest. No KK, no Priest. No Rob, no Priest.... etc. I stand by that. HOWEVER, I love, love LOVE the video, HRMG !!! A really awesome effort! Is it "perfect"? , of course not! But, as mentioned, it does not have to be. Rob does sound pretty good from what I can make out on this video and, if that is indicative of the entire tour, I would say you are all getting your money's worth. SO glad to see that they are really "bringing it".
I figure those that have shelled out the money to see this tour are, by and large, very happy with what they are seeing and hearing. THAT makes me happy. They have not "mailed it in". They are giving it 100% and that is true professionalism. VERY cool.
This place has always had those that simply do not care for various aspects of the Band's performances. Even I have had my complaints about Rob's vocals. I remember VIVIDLY his performance in 1979 and I really don't think I could even compare it to ANYTHING he has done post-2005...BUT, he is far from "terrible". He has adapted to his age and abilities and he is a tremendous performer. There's just no argument about it.
At this point in my post, I would generally try to smooth things over with some diplomatic comments about being brethren and whatnot but, as I am not here all that much anymore, I really do not think I am qualified to mediate. (Probably never was!) Nonetheless, I send MUCH love to you all!!!!!!
[guitardude] Monday, January 30, 2012 11:07:11 AM
He of whom I will not mention!
No apology needed, as I wasn`t offended. I only posted your name to address you, as in the header of a letter, not to speak of you. I`ve been sitting by reading all of this (becoming increasingly frustrated) and couldn`t understand why it was happening really, but it is what it is. I say just enjoy the band while we still have them and for everyone not to be so picky, Priest are not perfect, no one is. Just keep an open mind and look past any snafus that may happen , and not be so critical when they do. And no offense is meant by the way I opened this post. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Budred from Monday, January 30, 2012 3:59:30 AM)
Budred wrote:
I'm laughing because I'm trying to be an asshole now. This is getting so ridiculous.
I stated many times that I wasn't trying to impose my opinion on anyone. The majority
of my posts are in response to posts referring to me. You guys keep including me in
your posts and because I keep responding you guys keep getting madder. I have my
opinion on this tour and you guys have yours. We can still get along, WTF? The majority
of the people bashing me right now I go out of my way not to offend or piss off. I'm not
going to keep making this worse. If you guys want to keep going with this feel free.
@guitardude
You're the only one I feel I should apologize to. I guess I got sick of seeing my name
brought up in this thread and I was trying to be a dick to you for doing it also.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
So you can have YOUR opinion about Priest's performance, but Guitardude can't and you are laughing at him???? Did you even watch my video of BTROD from Cleveland that I posted from the very show that you are ripping? Hundreds of people walking out with us form that show, all praising how incredible Rob and Priest was that night, but you thought they were subpar. That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. But don't claim that others feel the same way when you have nothing to back it up.
Budred wrote:
...as good as they were in 81?
...and you believe this?
guitardude wrote:
Budred
Let me understand something here, you don`t think the band is able to meet your criteria, so they should retire?
If you`re that unhappy with their performances, why spend the money going to the shows?
I`ve seen them more times that I can remember, starting off in 81. To me, they are still just as good now as then, they are accurate live, they don`t butcher the songs I know and love , like so many of these new bands always do.
My 12 year old, cannot be considered a "diehard" as his first show was the British Steel Anniversary tour.
He has watched all of my old videos of Priest, and prefers the new Priest, versus the old. Hooked, you bet!
There`s an old saying , that I`m sure you`re familiar with..."If you don`t have anything nice to say, then don`t say anything at all", you come on the BANDS website and rip them, what do you really expect to get in return?
If they are so bad as you say, then let everyone go to the shows and find out themselves.
But as for me and my son, we`ll be there enjoying every single second they are onstage! (Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:36:42 AM)
Budred wrote:
I'm not sure I'm the only one who said the last tour wasn't all that great and I seriously
doubt that any of Jimmy's conclusions came from me. His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this. I don't think a single person can prove him wrong.
They may tell him he's wrong and they may even believe themselves when they do but everything
he stated in his (last) post was correct. That is why I would like to see them retire also. About the "who
has more people on their side" comment, you do here obviously because the last remaining diehards
are here. If you want an accurate assesment of their performance you would have to go outside of
this site to get it. Maybe a poll on facebook or youtube or something like that. I would bet that you
would find many people who thought they were subpar. I haven't seen Priest as many times as you
or alot of others but I have seen every tour except Ram It Down since Point Of Entry and this was in
my top three of bad performances. Why is it that my opinion has to be wrong because it doesn't go along
with most here. Considering how long I've been a fan and how many times I've seen them I think
my opinion is as valid as anyone else's. I didn't come here to rip Priest but lately there's nothing to praise.
guidogodoy wrote:
Well, if you want to go back to dredge up old posts, look at your own. You are back peddling. Being completely objective, you haven't had a positive thing to say about Priest in quite a number of posts. More than I care to count, at least.
You originally ripped on Vail for being "too young to know..." I am older than you and many my age who actually follow the band begged to differ. You choose to stick with Bud and his one-man opinion of a show that HRMG countered both verbally AND with video. You haven't seen Epitaph and I call BULLSHIT! What I am getting at is that I am not a fanboy in any sense of the word. I am a fan of the band and the genre. I am positive that I have seen many more JP shows than you. Some were good, some were outstanding, some were "off." The shows I saw this time around (in comparison with others) were simply outstanding. You cite whom as your many who have seen the band "many times" who disagree? Money being the driving force or not, I have a number of people I consider quite objective to back me up. You have one as per my count. You attempt to dilute the point you originally made with your comments here. Priest has been a fucking monster this tour. I have never said that about any other concert other than Painkiller. SEE the show before you attempt to dismiss it. In my eyes, you lose all credibility when you do otherwise.
About your radio show? More power to you. I am a metal fan. Defend the faith. Defend the genre. I did it for many years and would never say to do otherwise. Like many, I wouldn't want to see Priest go out on a sour note. However, this tour isn't it! Say what you will about my own view of the Hammond show but when we all know that you haven't even seen the current tour, your words to me lack all credibility.
That's because if Halford recorded himself taking a shit you'd say it sounded fantastic. - You obviously don't know me very well.
jimmyjames wrote:
I didn't say the show you were at was bad. Or that he didn't produce a great performance at that show. What I'm getting at is that overall, both live and album wise, the band is on the decline. Some of those who have seen the band many times agree. Age is part of it but I really think the band are together for the money more than anything else these days. If a new album comes out this year I could be proven wrong but I can't see them releasing anything groundbreaking or exceptional. Some fans love AOR, I think it's ok but far from their best. Nostra we all pretty much agree is rubbish. The track record since the reunion is patchy. KK is gone, crowds are waning. I just reckon it's time for this band to call it a day. I would hate to see them fizzle out.
My show isn't an internet radio show. It is broadcast over the air in our area. The show just goes on the station website so that anyone whose interested outside our area can check it out. Being that there's metal fans on this site I thought posting a link might be a good idea so some of them could listen if they wanted to. Do you think I should stop posting links and setlists from each show? Or maybe stop doing the show entirely?
guidogodoy wrote:
Now which is it, JJ? First you rip on Vail because she is apparently too young to have any sort of valid judgement when she says that she really liked a show or two. Then, when some of us "old folks" who have seen Priest MANY more times than you call bullshit on your comments for a concert you haven't even seen, you claim that we are also wrong. WTF?! Do I need to have an internet radio show once a week to say what I like and what I don't? Sorry, I was only the host of a real metal radio show back in the 90s. Too old to count in your book, I guess.
HRMG said it perfectly well. I have given up entire summer vacations to following Priest and, like any band, they have good nights and bad ones. Wish I had the interview at hand when Rob says that he tries to give it his all at every show but that, sometimes, his vocal chords didn't permit. KK said the same when he commented on some of his ad-libs. Sometimes they work and sometimes the whole band rolls their eyes at him. All we (or, I, at least) have said was that HAMMOND was a killer show! Sold-out crowd to interact with a magical and spot-on performance. While I was also in Detroit, I agree that Hammond was the one that should have been recorded. It was pure magic. I cannot and DO not claim the same for even the Montreal, Detroit, Nashville shows last time around.
Keep on promoting your radio show, buddy. Listing tracks and talking smack about what you haven't experienced seems to be your forté.
jimmyjames wrote:
I should be here as much as anyone else. I just don't view everything they do through rose tinted glasses like some here do. When I see my once favourite band in decline to such an extent that the guy who started the band wants out I'm going to speak up. I don't need to list again the the amount of rip offs this band has perpetrated and their lazy approach to producing new, quality material. If metal hadn't made a resurgence in the late 90s there's no way they would have "buried the hatchet to get out there and play for the fans". Since 04 it's been "look, we don't have to like each other but if we just keep getting out there and doing shows we can milk this". The real reason they are "only going to do the odd festival gig" from now on is because there's 20 other bands there to drag the audience in. They can't do it on their own. If you were one of the biggest names in metal and you're playing a city the size of Cleveland and 3000 turn up it's time to pack it in.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
You think that there are 25,000 cult followers in Cleveland? You think this band are as popular as Iron Maiden in 2012? Obviously NO. Priest are lucky to have even 3,000 in Cleveland. Jimmy does speak a lot of truths but he is not always right.
If the band suck this bad he shouldn't even be here. I've even said when Rob sings Painkiller it sounds like an animal being tortured but I think its funny and am not bothered by it,it seems other people fucking HATE the band so bad over it and all because of a stupid live perfomance. Get over it people!
Maybe Priest should set up a refund for fans that were disappointed as you were from your first post responding to the Cleveland show Budred,that way you could get back your hard earned money since you didn't think it was worth it and since its the last time you will ever see Priest live again regardless if they came again or not.
If my stomach wasn't all fucked up in October I would of went to the show and enjoyed every bit of it because of the "spirit" of Judas Priest as a "cult follower". My rants are because they are not putting out enough studio albums,I don't want them to quit,I want them to keep going and I don't care if thier performance struggles,its not like they totally "suck" live,just a few flaws so what.
I'm glad you enjoyed 70 % of these metal bands you saw live over the years your right its a matter of opinion,you think 70% of these metal bands are worthy,I do not. But that doesn't make me right and you wrong.
(Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:25:08 AM)
Budred wrote:
Live show for cult followers, that may explain why only 3000 out of 25,000 showed up in Cleveland.
I wasn't expecting Rob to sound like he did in 1980 (and he didn't disappoint) and I do judge bands on
their live performances. To me when they suck live they usually suck. As for no one worth seeing
that's just a matter of opinion. There may not be many classic British metal bands but there are plenty
of metal bands out there worth checking out. I've been lucky enough to see over 100 bands the last two
years and I've enjoyed at least 70 percent of them. Anyway, to each his own, and lastly, Jimmy may be a
smartass but he speaks alot of truths. Most just don't want to face them. Peace all! Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:27:57 AM
His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this.
This was my favorite part of that comment. Read this as "it is amazing that I can't get anyone else to agree with me!" "Why don't people who have seen the show not agree 100% with someone who hasn't?" "Why don't people get my sense of humor or believe me when I affirm that my opinion is the truth?" "Should I stay or should I go?" "Why all the web police?!?"
Oh, boo fucking hoo. You got shitty seats. You claim to like other types of music? Me too. So "go on and cry in your coffee but don't come bitchin' to me."
Budred wrote:
I'm not sure I'm the only one who said the last tour wasn't all that great and I seriously
doubt that any of Jimmy's conclusions came from me. His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this. I don't think a single person can prove him wrong.
They may tell him he's wrong and they may even believe themselves when they do but everything
he stated in his (last) post was correct. That is why I would like to see them retire also. About the "who
has more people on their side" comment, you do here obviously because the last remaining diehards
are here. If you want an accurate assesment of their performance you would have to go outside of
this site to get it. Maybe a poll on facebook or youtube or something like that. I would bet that you
would find many people who thought they were subpar. I haven't seen Priest as many times as you
or alot of others but I have seen every tour except Ram It Down since Point Of Entry and this was in
my top three of bad performances. Why is it that my opinion has to be wrong because it doesn't go along
with most here. Considering how long I've been a fan and how many times I've seen them I think
my opinion is as valid as anyone else's. I didn't come here to rip Priest but lately there's nothing to praise.
guidogodoy wrote:
Well, if you want to go back to dredge up old posts, look at your own. You are back peddling. Being completely objective, you haven't had a positive thing to say about Priest in quite a number of posts. More than I care to count, at least.
You originally ripped on Vail for being "too young to know..." I am older than you and many my age who actually follow the band begged to differ. You choose to stick with Bud and his one-man opinion of a show that HRMG countered both verbally AND with video. You haven't seen Epitaph and I call BULLSHIT! What I am getting at is that I am not a fanboy in any sense of the word. I am a fan of the band and the genre. I am positive that I have seen many more JP shows than you. Some were good, some were outstanding, some were "off." The shows I saw this time around (in comparison with others) were simply outstanding. You cite whom as your many who have seen the band "many times" who disagree? Money being the driving force or not, I have a number of people I consider quite objective to back me up. You have one as per my count. You attempt to dilute the point you originally made with your comments here. Priest has been a fucking monster this tour. I have never said that about any other concert other than Painkiller. SEE the show before you attempt to dismiss it. In my eyes, you lose all credibility when you do otherwise.
About your radio show? More power to you. I am a metal fan. Defend the faith. Defend the genre. I did it for many years and would never say to do otherwise. Like many, I wouldn't want to see Priest go out on a sour note. However, this tour isn't it! Say what you will about my own view of the Hammond show but when we all know that you haven't even seen the current tour, your words to me lack all credibility.
That's because if Halford recorded himself taking a shit you'd say it sounded fantastic. - You obviously don't know me very well.
jimmyjames wrote:
I didn't say the show you were at was bad. Or that he didn't produce a great performance at that show. What I'm getting at is that overall, both live and album wise, the band is on the decline. Some of those who have seen the band many times agree. Age is part of it but I really think the band are together for the money more than anything else these days. If a new album comes out this year I could be proven wrong but I can't see them releasing anything groundbreaking or exceptional. Some fans love AOR, I think it's ok but far from their best. Nostra we all pretty much agree is rubbish. The track record since the reunion is patchy. KK is gone, crowds are waning. I just reckon it's time for this band to call it a day. I would hate to see them fizzle out.
My show isn't an internet radio show. It is broadcast over the air in our area. The show just goes on the station website so that anyone whose interested outside our area can check it out. Being that there's metal fans on this site I thought posting a link might be a good idea so some of them could listen if they wanted to. Do you think I should stop posting links and setlists from each show? Or maybe stop doing the show entirely?
guidogodoy wrote:
Now which is it, JJ? First you rip on Vail because she is apparently too young to have any sort of valid judgement when she says that she really liked a show or two. Then, when some of us "old folks" who have seen Priest MANY more times than you call bullshit on your comments for a concert you haven't even seen, you claim that we are also wrong. WTF?! Do I need to have an internet radio show once a week to say what I like and what I don't? Sorry, I was only the host of a real metal radio show back in the 90s. Too old to count in your book, I guess.
HRMG said it perfectly well. I have given up entire summer vacations to following Priest and, like any band, they have good nights and bad ones. Wish I had the interview at hand when Rob says that he tries to give it his all at every show but that, sometimes, his vocal chords didn't permit. KK said the same when he commented on some of his ad-libs. Sometimes they work and sometimes the whole band rolls their eyes at him. All we (or, I, at least) have said was that HAMMOND was a killer show! Sold-out crowd to interact with a magical and spot-on performance. While I was also in Detroit, I agree that Hammond was the one that should have been recorded. It was pure magic. I cannot and DO not claim the same for even the Montreal, Detroit, Nashville shows last time around.
Keep on promoting your radio show, buddy. Listing tracks and talking smack about what you haven't experienced seems to be your forté.
jimmyjames wrote:
I should be here as much as anyone else. I just don't view everything they do through rose tinted glasses like some here do. When I see my once favourite band in decline to such an extent that the guy who started the band wants out I'm going to speak up. I don't need to list again the the amount of rip offs this band has perpetrated and their lazy approach to producing new, quality material. If metal hadn't made a resurgence in the late 90s there's no way they would have "buried the hatchet to get out there and play for the fans". Since 04 it's been "look, we don't have to like each other but if we just keep getting out there and doing shows we can milk this". The real reason they are "only going to do the odd festival gig" from now on is because there's 20 other bands there to drag the audience in. They can't do it on their own. If you were one of the biggest names in metal and you're playing a city the size of Cleveland and 3000 turn up it's time to pack it in.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
You think that there are 25,000 cult followers in Cleveland? You think this band are as popular as Iron Maiden in 2012? Obviously NO. Priest are lucky to have even 3,000 in Cleveland. Jimmy does speak a lot of truths but he is not always right.
If the band suck this bad he shouldn't even be here. I've even said when Rob sings Painkiller it sounds like an animal being tortured but I think its funny and am not bothered by it,it seems other people fucking HATE the band so bad over it and all because of a stupid live perfomance. Get over it people!
Maybe Priest should set up a refund for fans that were disappointed as you were from your first post responding to the Cleveland show Budred,that way you could get back your hard earned money since you didn't think it was worth it and since its the last time you will ever see Priest live again regardless if they came again or not.
If my stomach wasn't all fucked up in October I would of went to the show and enjoyed every bit of it because of the "spirit" of Judas Priest as a "cult follower". My rants are because they are not putting out enough studio albums,I don't want them to quit,I want them to keep going and I don't care if thier performance struggles,its not like they totally "suck" live,just a few flaws so what.
I'm glad you enjoyed 70 % of these metal bands you saw live over the years your right its a matter of opinion,you think 70% of these metal bands are worthy,I do not. But that doesn't make me right and you wrong.
(Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:25:08 AM)
Budred wrote:
Live show for cult followers, that may explain why only 3000 out of 25,000 showed up in Cleveland.
I wasn't expecting Rob to sound like he did in 1980 (and he didn't disappoint) and I do judge bands on
their live performances. To me when they suck live they usually suck. As for no one worth seeing
that's just a matter of opinion. There may not be many classic British metal bands but there are plenty
of metal bands out there worth checking out. I've been lucky enough to see over 100 bands the last two
years and I've enjoyed at least 70 percent of them. Anyway, to each his own, and lastly, Jimmy may be a
smartass but he speaks alot of truths. Most just don't want to face them. Peace all! Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:27:57 AM
Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:34:17 PM
[Budred] Monday, January 30, 2012 4:43:18 AM
The key here is that I said many, not all.
I was trying to make a point that I'm not the only one who thinks this wasn't their best tour.
I didn't say the majority would say it sucks. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Sunday, January 29, 2012 3:57:27 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Budred wrote:That is why I would like to see them retire also. About the "who has more people on thier side" comment,you do here obviously because the last remaining diehards are here.If you want an accurate assesment of thier performance you would have to go outside of this site to get it.Maybe a poll on facebook or youtube or something like that.I would bet that you would find many people who thought they were subpar.
If you would like to see the band retire,then when the new album comes out you shouldn't have to voice your opinion about it then right? After all you wish them to retire but somehow when it comes out,you'll be here with something to say about it wich will be your "contradiction".
And I'm finding more people outside this site that are saying Rob "DOES SOUND BETTER THAN HE HAS IN YEARS". The King Diamond forum has a thread of painfull singers to listen to live these days and one member said Rob Halford and I was expecting the entire thread to agree with him but it was the opposite,the rest of them posted how much better he is on this tour.
I have not seen the show,but I sure am reading alot of positive things about Rob's voice. That clip that HRMG has of Beyond The Realms Of Death from the Cleveland show was almost perfect,I'm not sure what more you could possibly want or be expecting,thats what just doesn't make sense here,but your converting it into as if the rest of us think everybody here should have the same opinion looking like fanboys and thats not true here. I think you and Jimmy are off the mark on this one.
(Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:36:42 AM)
Budred wrote:
I'm not sure I'm the only one who said the last tour wasn't all that great and I seriously
doubt that any of Jimmy's conclusions came from me. His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this. I don't think a single person can prove him wrong.
They may tell him he's wrong and they may even believe themselves when they do but everything
he stated in his (last) post was correct. That is why I would like to see them retire also. About the "who
has more people on their side" comment, you do here obviously because the last remaining diehards
are here. If you want an accurate assesment of their performance you would have to go outside of
this site to get it. Maybe a poll on facebook or youtube or something like that. I would bet that you
would find many people who thought they were subpar. I haven't seen Priest as many times as you
or alot of others but I have seen every tour except Ram It Down since Point Of Entry and this was in
my top three of bad performances. Why is it that my opinion has to be wrong because it doesn't go along
with most here. Considering how long I've been a fan and how many times I've seen them I think
my opinion is as valid as anyone else's. I didn't come here to rip Priest but lately there's nothing to praise.
guidogodoy wrote:
Well, if you want to go back to dredge up old posts, look at your own. You are back peddling. Being completely objective, you haven't had a positive thing to say about Priest in quite a number of posts. More than I care to count, at least.
You originally ripped on Vail for being "too young to know..." I am older than you and many my age who actually follow the band begged to differ. You choose to stick with Bud and his one-man opinion of a show that HRMG countered both verbally AND with video. You haven't seen Epitaph and I call BULLSHIT! What I am getting at is that I am not a fanboy in any sense of the word. I am a fan of the band and the genre. I am positive that I have seen many more JP shows than you. Some were good, some were outstanding, some were "off." The shows I saw this time around (in comparison with others) were simply outstanding. You cite whom as your many who have seen the band "many times" who disagree? Money being the driving force or not, I have a number of people I consider quite objective to back me up. You have one as per my count. You attempt to dilute the point you originally made with your comments here. Priest has been a fucking monster this tour. I have never said that about any other concert other than Painkiller. SEE the show before you attempt to dismiss it. In my eyes, you lose all credibility when you do otherwise.
About your radio show? More power to you. I am a metal fan. Defend the faith. Defend the genre. I did it for many years and would never say to do otherwise. Like many, I wouldn't want to see Priest go out on a sour note. However, this tour isn't it! Say what you will about my own view of the Hammond show but when we all know that you haven't even seen the current tour, your words to me lack all credibility.
That's because if Halford recorded himself taking a shit you'd say it sounded fantastic. - You obviously don't know me very well.
jimmyjames wrote:
I didn't say the show you were at was bad. Or that he didn't produce a great performance at that show. What I'm getting at is that overall, both live and album wise, the band is on the decline. Some of those who have seen the band many times agree. Age is part of it but I really think the band are together for the money more than anything else these days. If a new album comes out this year I could be proven wrong but I can't see them releasing anything groundbreaking or exceptional. Some fans love AOR, I think it's ok but far from their best. Nostra we all pretty much agree is rubbish. The track record since the reunion is patchy. KK is gone, crowds are waning. I just reckon it's time for this band to call it a day. I would hate to see them fizzle out.
My show isn't an internet radio show. It is broadcast over the air in our area. The show just goes on the station website so that anyone whose interested outside our area can check it out. Being that there's metal fans on this site I thought posting a link might be a good idea so some of them could listen if they wanted to. Do you think I should stop posting links and setlists from each show? Or maybe stop doing the show entirely?
guidogodoy wrote:
Now which is it, JJ? First you rip on Vail because she is apparently too young to have any sort of valid judgement when she says that she really liked a show or two. Then, when some of us "old folks" who have seen Priest MANY more times than you call bullshit on your comments for a concert you haven't even seen, you claim that we are also wrong. WTF?! Do I need to have an internet radio show once a week to say what I like and what I don't? Sorry, I was only the host of a real metal radio show back in the 90s. Too old to count in your book, I guess.
HRMG said it perfectly well. I have given up entire summer vacations to following Priest and, like any band, they have good nights and bad ones. Wish I had the interview at hand when Rob says that he tries to give it his all at every show but that, sometimes, his vocal chords didn't permit. KK said the same when he commented on some of his ad-libs. Sometimes they work and sometimes the whole band rolls their eyes at him. All we (or, I, at least) have said was that HAMMOND was a killer show! Sold-out crowd to interact with a magical and spot-on performance. While I was also in Detroit, I agree that Hammond was the one that should have been recorded. It was pure magic. I cannot and DO not claim the same for even the Montreal, Detroit, Nashville shows last time around.
Keep on promoting your radio show, buddy. Listing tracks and talking smack about what you haven't experienced seems to be your forté.
jimmyjames wrote:
I should be here as much as anyone else. I just don't view everything they do through rose tinted glasses like some here do. When I see my once favourite band in decline to such an extent that the guy who started the band wants out I'm going to speak up. I don't need to list again the the amount of rip offs this band has perpetrated and their lazy approach to producing new, quality material. If metal hadn't made a resurgence in the late 90s there's no way they would have "buried the hatchet to get out there and play for the fans". Since 04 it's been "look, we don't have to like each other but if we just keep getting out there and doing shows we can milk this". The real reason they are "only going to do the odd festival gig" from now on is because there's 20 other bands there to drag the audience in. They can't do it on their own. If you were one of the biggest names in metal and you're playing a city the size of Cleveland and 3000 turn up it's time to pack it in.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
You think that there are 25,000 cult followers in Cleveland? You think this band are as popular as Iron Maiden in 2012? Obviously NO. Priest are lucky to have even 3,000 in Cleveland. Jimmy does speak a lot of truths but he is not always right.
If the band suck this bad he shouldn't even be here. I've even said when Rob sings Painkiller it sounds like an animal being tortured but I think its funny and am not bothered by it,it seems other people fucking HATE the band so bad over it and all because of a stupid live perfomance. Get over it people!
Maybe Priest should set up a refund for fans that were disappointed as you were from your first post responding to the Cleveland show Budred,that way you could get back your hard earned money since you didn't think it was worth it and since its the last time you will ever see Priest live again regardless if they came again or not.
If my stomach wasn't all fucked up in October I would of went to the show and enjoyed every bit of it because of the "spirit" of Judas Priest as a "cult follower". My rants are because they are not putting out enough studio albums,I don't want them to quit,I want them to keep going and I don't care if thier performance struggles,its not like they totally "suck" live,just a few flaws so what.
I'm glad you enjoyed 70 % of these metal bands you saw live over the years your right its a matter of opinion,you think 70% of these metal bands are worthy,I do not. But that doesn't make me right and you wrong.
(Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:25:08 AM)
Budred wrote:
Live show for cult followers, that may explain why only 3000 out of 25,000 showed up in Cleveland.
I wasn't expecting Rob to sound like he did in 1980 (and he didn't disappoint) and I do judge bands on
their live performances. To me when they suck live they usually suck. As for no one worth seeing
that's just a matter of opinion. There may not be many classic British metal bands but there are plenty
of metal bands out there worth checking out. I've been lucky enough to see over 100 bands the last two
years and I've enjoyed at least 70 percent of them. Anyway, to each his own, and lastly, Jimmy may be a
smartass but he speaks alot of truths. Most just don't want to face them. Peace all! Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:27:57 AM
Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:34:17 PM
Edited at: Sunday, January 29, 2012 4:29:09 PM
[Budred] Monday, January 30, 2012 4:37:08 AM
You make a good point about the attitude thing because I've thought about that also.
Backtracking? I only said awhile back that after listening to my videos that I was a little
confused because they sounded a little better than I remember. I said That I would like
to see them in Pittsburgh to see if I had the same opinion and my second post on this
said that after reading my first post it may have sounded harsher than intended. Otther
than that I have been saying the same thing all along. I didn't think this show was as good
as earlier shows and I agreed with Jimmy's last post that Priest was in decline. I still think
they should call it a day and even if it is contradictory, I still would love to hear them put out another
Metal album. That's all I've been wanting since Rob came back and they haven't done it yet.
I'm not playing victim, I don't even want this to go on anymore. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Sunday, January 29, 2012 3:43:53 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
You also have to remember that Budred was bitching about Priest BEFORE he even went to the Cleveland show. His mind was already made up. Hard to change someone's opinion when they already have decided that the band should retire. Yes, he had incredibly shitty seats and was getting a lot of distortion from the speakers. We had AWESOME seats and were able to hear Rob singing without the microphone during Breakin' The Law. My video proves that Bud has been listening to crappy vocalists for far too long and wouldn't know if someone is singing in key or not. Was Rob perfect? No, we never said he was at any show. But then again, I have NEVER heard a perfect vocal performance by anyone. Rob came damn close in Hammond and if anyone gets a bootleg or soundboard recording of that show, I WANT ONE!!!
So stop backtracking JJ and Budred. You come back now trying to rewrite what you originally said. You love to play the victims, don't you? You bitch about Priest and Rob and then when we come after you for your bullshit posts, you play the victims - oh, boo hoo, the diehard fans are so mean to me! Go have your pitty party somewhere else, I'm tired of it!
And I'm posting it again, because yeah, IT WAS THAT FUCKING INCREDIBLE!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this.
This was my favorite part of that comment. Read this as "it is amazing that I can't get anyone else to agree with me!" "Why don't people who have seen the show not agree 100% with someone who hasn't?" "Why don't people get my sense of humor or believe me when I affirm that my opinion is the truth?" "Should I stay or should I go?" "Why all the web police?!?"
Oh, boo fucking hoo. You got shitty seats. You claim to like other types of music? Me too. So "go on and cry in your coffee but don't come bitchin' to me."
Budred wrote:
I'm not sure I'm the only one who said the last tour wasn't all that great and I seriously
doubt that any of Jimmy's conclusions came from me. His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this. I don't think a single person can prove him wrong.
They may tell him he's wrong and they may even believe themselves when they do but everything
he stated in his (last) post was correct. That is why I would like to see them retire also. About the "who
has more people on their side" comment, you do here obviously because the last remaining diehards
are here. If you want an accurate assesment of their performance you would have to go outside of
this site to get it. Maybe a poll on facebook or youtube or something like that. I would bet that you
would find many people who thought they were subpar. I haven't seen Priest as many times as you
or alot of others but I have seen every tour except Ram It Down since Point Of Entry and this was in
my top three of bad performances. Why is it that my opinion has to be wrong because it doesn't go along
with most here. Considering how long I've been a fan and how many times I've seen them I think
my opinion is as valid as anyone else's. I didn't come here to rip Priest but lately there's nothing to praise.
guidogodoy wrote:
Well, if you want to go back to dredge up old posts, look at your own. You are back peddling. Being completely objective, you haven't had a positive thing to say about Priest in quite a number of posts. More than I care to count, at least.
You originally ripped on Vail for being "too young to know..." I am older than you and many my age who actually follow the band begged to differ. You choose to stick with Bud and his one-man opinion of a show that HRMG countered both verbally AND with video. You haven't seen Epitaph and I call BULLSHIT! What I am getting at is that I am not a fanboy in any sense of the word. I am a fan of the band and the genre. I am positive that I have seen many more JP shows than you. Some were good, some were outstanding, some were "off." The shows I saw this time around (in comparison with others) were simply outstanding. You cite whom as your many who have seen the band "many times" who disagree? Money being the driving force or not, I have a number of people I consider quite objective to back me up. You have one as per my count. You attempt to dilute the point you originally made with your comments here. Priest has been a fucking monster this tour. I have never said that about any other concert other than Painkiller. SEE the show before you attempt to dismiss it. In my eyes, you lose all credibility when you do otherwise.
About your radio show? More power to you. I am a metal fan. Defend the faith. Defend the genre. I did it for many years and would never say to do otherwise. Like many, I wouldn't want to see Priest go out on a sour note. However, this tour isn't it! Say what you will about my own view of the Hammond show but when we all know that you haven't even seen the current tour, your words to me lack all credibility.
That's because if Halford recorded himself taking a shit you'd say it sounded fantastic. - You obviously don't know me very well.
jimmyjames wrote:
I didn't say the show you were at was bad. Or that he didn't produce a great performance at that show. What I'm getting at is that overall, both live and album wise, the band is on the decline. Some of those who have seen the band many times agree. Age is part of it but I really think the band are together for the money more than anything else these days. If a new album comes out this year I could be proven wrong but I can't see them releasing anything groundbreaking or exceptional. Some fans love AOR, I think it's ok but far from their best. Nostra we all pretty much agree is rubbish. The track record since the reunion is patchy. KK is gone, crowds are waning. I just reckon it's time for this band to call it a day. I would hate to see them fizzle out.
My show isn't an internet radio show. It is broadcast over the air in our area. The show just goes on the station website so that anyone whose interested outside our area can check it out. Being that there's metal fans on this site I thought posting a link might be a good idea so some of them could listen if they wanted to. Do you think I should stop posting links and setlists from each show? Or maybe stop doing the show entirely?
guidogodoy wrote:
Now which is it, JJ? First you rip on Vail because she is apparently too young to have any sort of valid judgement when she says that she really liked a show or two. Then, when some of us "old folks" who have seen Priest MANY more times than you call bullshit on your comments for a concert you haven't even seen, you claim that we are also wrong. WTF?! Do I need to have an internet radio show once a week to say what I like and what I don't? Sorry, I was only the host of a real metal radio show back in the 90s. Too old to count in your book, I guess.
HRMG said it perfectly well. I have given up entire summer vacations to following Priest and, like any band, they have good nights and bad ones. Wish I had the interview at hand when Rob says that he tries to give it his all at every show but that, sometimes, his vocal chords didn't permit. KK said the same when he commented on some of his ad-libs. Sometimes they work and sometimes the whole band rolls their eyes at him. All we (or, I, at least) have said was that HAMMOND was a killer show! Sold-out crowd to interact with a magical and spot-on performance. While I was also in Detroit, I agree that Hammond was the one that should have been recorded. It was pure magic. I cannot and DO not claim the same for even the Montreal, Detroit, Nashville shows last time around.
Keep on promoting your radio show, buddy. Listing tracks and talking smack about what you haven't experienced seems to be your forté.
jimmyjames wrote:
I should be here as much as anyone else. I just don't view everything they do through rose tinted glasses like some here do. When I see my once favourite band in decline to such an extent that the guy who started the band wants out I'm going to speak up. I don't need to list again the the amount of rip offs this band has perpetrated and their lazy approach to producing new, quality material. If metal hadn't made a resurgence in the late 90s there's no way they would have "buried the hatchet to get out there and play for the fans". Since 04 it's been "look, we don't have to like each other but if we just keep getting out there and doing shows we can milk this". The real reason they are "only going to do the odd festival gig" from now on is because there's 20 other bands there to drag the audience in. They can't do it on their own. If you were one of the biggest names in metal and you're playing a city the size of Cleveland and 3000 turn up it's time to pack it in.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
You think that there are 25,000 cult followers in Cleveland? You think this band are as popular as Iron Maiden in 2012? Obviously NO. Priest are lucky to have even 3,000 in Cleveland. Jimmy does speak a lot of truths but he is not always right.
If the band suck this bad he shouldn't even be here. I've even said when Rob sings Painkiller it sounds like an animal being tortured but I think its funny and am not bothered by it,it seems other people fucking HATE the band so bad over it and all because of a stupid live perfomance. Get over it people!
Maybe Priest should set up a refund for fans that were disappointed as you were from your first post responding to the Cleveland show Budred,that way you could get back your hard earned money since you didn't think it was worth it and since its the last time you will ever see Priest live again regardless if they came again or not.
If my stomach wasn't all fucked up in October I would of went to the show and enjoyed every bit of it because of the "spirit" of Judas Priest as a "cult follower". My rants are because they are not putting out enough studio albums,I don't want them to quit,I want them to keep going and I don't care if thier performance struggles,its not like they totally "suck" live,just a few flaws so what.
I'm glad you enjoyed 70 % of these metal bands you saw live over the years your right its a matter of opinion,you think 70% of these metal bands are worthy,I do not. But that doesn't make me right and you wrong.
(Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:25:08 AM)
Budred wrote:
Live show for cult followers, that may explain why only 3000 out of 25,000 showed up in Cleveland.
I wasn't expecting Rob to sound like he did in 1980 (and he didn't disappoint) and I do judge bands on
their live performances. To me when they suck live they usually suck. As for no one worth seeing
that's just a matter of opinion. There may not be many classic British metal bands but there are plenty
of metal bands out there worth checking out. I've been lucky enough to see over 100 bands the last two
years and I've enjoyed at least 70 percent of them. Anyway, to each his own, and lastly, Jimmy may be a
smartass but he speaks alot of truths. Most just don't want to face them. Peace all! Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:27:57 AM
His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this.
This was my favorite part of that comment. Read this as "it is amazing that I can't get anyone else to agree with me!" "Why don't people who have seen the show not agree 100% with someone who hasn't?" "Why don't people get my sense of humor or believe me when I affirm that my opinion is the truth?" "Should I stay or should I go?" "Why all the web police?!?"
Oh, boo fucking hoo. You got shitty seats. You claim to like other types of music? Me too. So "go on and cry in your coffee but don't come bitchin' to me."
Budred wrote:
I'm not sure I'm the only one who said the last tour wasn't all that great and I seriously
doubt that any of Jimmy's conclusions came from me. His very last post I agree with 100 percent
and it's amazing that people refuse to see this. I don't think a single person can prove him wrong.
They may tell him he's wrong and they may even believe themselves when they do but everything
he stated in his (last) post was correct. That is why I would like to see them retire also. About the "who
has more people on their side" comment, you do here obviously because the last remaining diehards
are here. If you want an accurate assesment of their performance you would have to go outside of
this site to get it. Maybe a poll on facebook or youtube or something like that. I would bet that you
would find many people who thought they were subpar. I haven't seen Priest as many times as you
or alot of others but I have seen every tour except Ram It Down since Point Of Entry and this was in
my top three of bad performances. Why is it that my opinion has to be wrong because it doesn't go along
with most here. Considering how long I've been a fan and how many times I've seen them I think
my opinion is as valid as anyone else's. I didn't come here to rip Priest but lately there's nothing to praise.
guidogodoy wrote:
Well, if you want to go back to dredge up old posts, look at your own. You are back peddling. Being completely objective, you haven't had a positive thing to say about Priest in quite a number of posts. More than I care to count, at least.
You originally ripped on Vail for being "too young to know..." I am older than you and many my age who actually follow the band begged to differ. You choose to stick with Bud and his one-man opinion of a show that HRMG countered both verbally AND with video. You haven't seen Epitaph and I call BULLSHIT! What I am getting at is that I am not a fanboy in any sense of the word. I am a fan of the band and the genre. I am positive that I have seen many more JP shows than you. Some were good, some were outstanding, some were "off." The shows I saw this time around (in comparison with others) were simply outstanding. You cite whom as your many who have seen the band "many times" who disagree? Money being the driving force or not, I have a number of people I consider quite objective to back me up. You have one as per my count. You attempt to dilute the point you originally made with your comments here. Priest has been a fucking monster this tour. I have never said that about any other concert other than Painkiller. SEE the show before you attempt to dismiss it. In my eyes, you lose all credibility when you do otherwise.
About your radio show? More power to you. I am a metal fan. Defend the faith. Defend the genre. I did it for many years and would never say to do otherwise. Like many, I wouldn't want to see Priest go out on a sour note. However, this tour isn't it! Say what you will about my own view of the Hammond show but when we all know that you haven't even seen the current tour, your words to me lack all credibility.
That's because if Halford recorded himself taking a shit you'd say it sounded fantastic. - You obviously don't know me very well.
jimmyjames wrote:
I didn't say the show you were at was bad. Or that he didn't produce a great performance at that show. What I'm getting at is that overall, both live and album wise, the band is on the decline. Some of those who have seen the band many times agree. Age is part of it but I really think the band are together for the money more than anything else these days. If a new album comes out this year I could be proven wrong but I can't see them releasing anything groundbreaking or exceptional. Some fans love AOR, I think it's ok but far from their best. Nostra we all pretty much agree is rubbish. The track record since the reunion is patchy. KK is gone, crowds are waning. I just reckon it's time for this band to call it a day. I would hate to see them fizzle out.
My show isn't an internet radio show. It is broadcast over the air in our area. The show just goes on the station website so that anyone whose interested outside our area can check it out. Being that there's metal fans on this site I thought posting a link might be a good idea so some of them could listen if they wanted to. Do you think I should stop posting links and setlists from each show? Or maybe stop doing the show entirely?
guidogodoy wrote:
Now which is it, JJ? First you rip on Vail because she is apparently too young to have any sort of valid judgement when she says that she really liked a show or two. Then, when some of us "old folks" who have seen Priest MANY more times than you call bullshit on your comments for a concert you haven't even seen, you claim that we are also wrong. WTF?! Do I need to have an internet radio show once a week to say what I like and what I don't? Sorry, I was only the host of a real metal radio show back in the 90s. Too old to count in your book, I guess.
HRMG said it perfectly well. I have given up entire summer vacations to following Priest and, like any band, they have good nights and bad ones. Wish I had the interview at hand when Rob says that he tries to give it his all at every show but that, sometimes, his vocal chords didn't permit. KK said the same when he commented on some of his ad-libs. Sometimes they work and sometimes the whole band rolls their eyes at him. All we (or, I, at least) have said was that HAMMOND was a killer show! Sold-out crowd to interact with a magical and spot-on performance. While I was also in Detroit, I agree that Hammond was the one that should have been recorded. It was pure magic. I cannot and DO not claim the same for even the Montreal, Detroit, Nashville shows last time around.
Keep on promoting your radio show, buddy. Listing tracks and talking smack about what you haven't experienced seems to be your forté.
jimmyjames wrote:
I should be here as much as anyone else. I just don't view everything they do through rose tinted glasses like some here do. When I see my once favourite band in decline to such an extent that the guy who started the band wants out I'm going to speak up. I don't need to list again the the amount of rip offs this band has perpetrated and their lazy approach to producing new, quality material. If metal hadn't made a resurgence in the late 90s there's no way they would have "buried the hatchet to get out there and play for the fans". Since 04 it's been "look, we don't have to like each other but if we just keep getting out there and doing shows we can milk this". The real reason they are "only going to do the odd festival gig" from now on is because there's 20 other bands there to drag the audience in. They can't do it on their own. If you were one of the biggest names in metal and you're playing a city the size of Cleveland and 3000 turn up it's time to pack it in.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
You think that there are 25,000 cult followers in Cleveland? You think this band are as popular as Iron Maiden in 2012? Obviously NO. Priest are lucky to have even 3,000 in Cleveland. Jimmy does speak a lot of truths but he is not always right.
If the band suck this bad he shouldn't even be here. I've even said when Rob sings Painkiller it sounds like an animal being tortured but I think its funny and am not bothered by it,it seems other people fucking HATE the band so bad over it and all because of a stupid live perfomance. Get over it people!
Maybe Priest should set up a refund for fans that were disappointed as you were from your first post responding to the Cleveland show Budred,that way you could get back your hard earned money since you didn't think it was worth it and since its the last time you will ever see Priest live again regardless if they came again or not.
If my stomach wasn't all fucked up in October I would of went to the show and enjoyed every bit of it because of the "spirit" of Judas Priest as a "cult follower". My rants are because they are not putting out enough studio albums,I don't want them to quit,I want them to keep going and I don't care if thier performance struggles,its not like they totally "suck" live,just a few flaws so what.
I'm glad you enjoyed 70 % of these metal bands you saw live over the years your right its a matter of opinion,you think 70% of these metal bands are worthy,I do not. But that doesn't make me right and you wrong.
(Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:25:08 AM)
Budred wrote:
Live show for cult followers, that may explain why only 3000 out of 25,000 showed up in Cleveland.
I wasn't expecting Rob to sound like he did in 1980 (and he didn't disappoint) and I do judge bands on
their live performances. To me when they suck live they usually suck. As for no one worth seeing
that's just a matter of opinion. There may not be many classic British metal bands but there are plenty
of metal bands out there worth checking out. I've been lucky enough to see over 100 bands the last two
years and I've enjoyed at least 70 percent of them. Anyway, to each his own, and lastly, Jimmy may be a
smartass but he speaks alot of truths. Most just don't want to face them. Peace all! Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:27:57 AM
ya fuckin dick. 
scheez
