I actually agree with some of your post. But i feel YOU where the one looking down your nose at my country, with the the statment you made. hencemy defence. And that question of yours is so typical. Your hate for my country smells more like envy.

		lalouve wrote:
		.....sigh…. such a reaction for a simple sharing of information about different ways of living in different countries. I didn’t mean to be offensive at all. So let see if we can sort this out. If you correctly read my post, you’ll see the sentence with “somewhere in between” in it, which means that neither Europeans nor Americans are either right or wrong. I also mention that what I wrote was only my opinion. Which means anyone can agree or disagree with it. No attack there. Now, what does war have to do with the nudity issue ????? Besides, you should take a look at your History papers. You’ll see that not only is Switzerland a neutral country, already was back then, therefore didn’t and still doesn’t fight, but also is the country a lot of leaders, including yours, of this world come to in order to peacefully talk about their sensitive issues. It would also be a good idea to check a bit more about my country in order to find out that we have 4 national languages, one of them being…German lolllll (which isn’t mine by the way) To answer your question : Am I proud to be from Switzerland? Not necessarily. Like in every country I’ve seen, there are good things and not so good things. I’m simply a child of the world! And I look at what people have inside of them, not at their passports. Which brings me to the last thing I want to say, or rather ask : Do you have a problem with “non-american” people? I’m asking this question because it seems that you expect them to eternally bow before you (see the old war thing you wrote) without any right to express themselves, as if they were sub-humans ….isn’t that offensive ?  But as I don't hold a grudge :  have a nice day! PS : my apologies to everyone for the possible spelling and grammatical mistakes….please remember that English is NOT my first language      VICTIM OF METAL wrote: So, your calling Americans prudish, isn't that offensive? Are you proud to be from Switzerland? Good!  I'm glade i live in America!  I think you should think before you type. If not for us pruds, you would be speaking German!      lalouve wrote: I don't know which country posted the pictures you're talking about, but as a european who has lived several years in the usa, I can tell you that europeans are a lot less prudish than americans (which should explain the acceptance matter). And I honestly think that to be "somewhere in Between" would do a lot of good to everyone. But this is only my opinion of course. As for the irritation going on in this thread at the moment, I think it's a lot of wind for nothing... is there anyone here who doesn't know what a body looks like ??? Furthermore, as it's already been said : if we don't like a topic, we simply stay out of it. No-go-no-fuss ...      Head banger wrote: actualy there is nudity, full frontal in one of the forign language threads.  it seems to be accepted in other areas.  just not in north american dominated english language threads.  perhaps no one complained.       Metal god/Electric eye! wrote: WELL LIKE I SAID BEFORE STAY OUT OF THE SITES ,ARE YOU OFFENDED,BUT YOU CAN TALK LIKE YOUR IN PENTHOUSE FORUM! YOU JUST LIKE ATTENTION ! STAY OUT I'VE NEVER SEEN NUDITY!      Where AmI wrote: Hmm...what can I say? You speak and the truth spews forth like hot  magma from an erupting volcano.

Hmmm....

		Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
		As someone who posts in the Sinful thread and in the Thong thread (every once in a while), I'd have to say that the Thong thread is fair game. Where AmI, If you have read the Sinful thread, then you know that even we ladies tend to get a bit nasty in our fantasies with the Priest men. Heck, I'm 19 and my favorite band member is in his sixties! The Thong thread contains very little, if any, sexual comments ("I wanna do this to her, wanna do that", etc), so I'm fine with that. The thread would have been extinguished a long time ago had such comments existed, IMO. All I have seen are comments that show the readers' appreciation of the models in a clean, nonoffensive manner. The models that are most commonly featured in the Thong thread appear to be in their mid-to-late twenties (no prepubescent teens, in other words).  Besides, this IS 2008!! There's more sex and nudity on TV and the movies than ever (correct me if I'm wrong if 1988 was much worse), we have reality shows that are centered around models, and most of us accept and adore that ideal body figure that is most commonly seen in the Thong thread, so it won't be going away anytime soon. Its merely a sign of the times in which we live. You either like it or you don't. If you don't like it, then thats fine...thats your opinion. Both threads have one thing in common: they cater to the fantasies of both men and women. If you don't like a thread, then simply put it in your ignore list. The pictures won't be shown (Simply an "Ignored Message" statement), so it shouldn't be a big problem.

WELL LIKE I SAID BEFORE STAY OUT OF THE SITES ,ARE YOU OFFENDED,BUT YOU CAN TALK LIKE YOUR IN PENTHOUSE FORUM! YOU JUST LIKE ATTENTION ! STAY OUT I'VE NEVER SEEN NUDITY!

		Where AmI wrote:
		Hmm...what can I say? You speak and the truth spews forth like hot  magma from an erupting volcano.

Hmm...what can I say?
You speak and the truth spews forth like hot  magma from an erupting volcano.

My opinion about who posts in the titty thread, regardless of gender, has been stated once already so I will not repeat myself. 
The social issues thread has offended me several times before, mainly for the personal level of stupidity some posters decide to make public. Same drivel elsewhere on the WWW. But since I keep my offenses, perceived or otherwise, usually, to myself, hey what can I say..

I will vent about what I do know, which is that barely pubescent and naked women photos being posted in the Judas Priest site offend me, inconvenience my website surfing and I don't want to log in to avoid it because I shouldn't have to avoid it. 
In my experience, it is full of negativity and even taken lighly it is hardly funny, it is only catering to a sameness automaton mentality of the young man that needs to affirm his manhood through sexually charged pictures being posted in a public website. .
Apparently there are a lot of not-so-younger men who share that mentality. The year is 2008, not 1988.
There are porn sites widely available and the Playboy site is a click away, if that is what you mean. 

Have a nice day.

		Head banger wrote:
		I dont recall him posting there before.  of course not everyone shares the same standards, like I said, there are people who find the sinfull thread offensive.  too bad for them.  some of the convo there has been quite racy.  oh well.  too bad, its there, and isnt over the top ofensive.   all kinds of threads piss off one person or another, the one that probably brings the most offence is the social issues and politics thread.   I infer from your posts that you use the messages since your last visit button, and that not signing in prevents you from ignoring it.  since, I doubt its going away, I sugest that logging in each time solves your problem.  Most people dont use that button, and so, its not an issue for them.  good luck. Remember, practice what you preach goes both ways.  now that i think about it, the female who was most offended by that thread was gay, and the most offended was a male.  I still stand by my recolection that three of the top 6 posters are female, and 2 are married with kids, not sure about the third, but I know she posts in the sinfull thread also.  Playboy Magazine is the magazine where the subscription base is closest to the natural population distribution, 51& female, 49 male.  a fair bit of airbrushing there too (old stat from advertizing class, sorry if its out of date) anyway, have a nice day.      Where AmI wrote: Actually, I have seriously considered that. However, IF the webmaster was really concerned, he would have banned the thread by now, since it has been argued and discussed several times before. As it goes, he likely posts there too. "The true test", sure...I stand by what I said, if there is nothing you can say apart from "community standards" - which is assuming everybody that logs in or lurks actually shares the same standards as you, apart from liking Judas Priest.  Me, with having vented online for anybody to reply only now, years after the thread first came to existence, and not having bothered to get involved in circular arguments in those times, it is a no-brainer that asking for it to be banned is a very unpopular move and a late one too. I can't tell people what to say and what to do. I can only hope that by their sense and reasoning they will do well unto everybody (me including), wouldn't you think so?  But it doesn't stop me from venting every now and again because I find those images pretty sad.. and a damn nuissance when I don't want to log in, just want to browse around and see what's up (just like I said in the initial post). Thank you for keeping ignorance and stupidity from completely overwhelming your replies, but I wish Practice What You Preach was the more prevalent attitude towards your female metal fans.      Head banger wrote: well then I will not bring you more ignorance and stupidity then.  as to comunity standards, report them all as ofensive, and see what murray does.  thats the true test.      Where AmI wrote: Yes, they are intended to be juvenile, quit feeding me bullshit, I ain't having none of it today.  There is something very wrong if the ADULT, GROWN UPS, over 30; the over 40 crowd is posting and looking at pubescent looking women with absolutely no body hair. If women posting this sort of crap are doing it, I don't want to meet the lesbians. I already knew as soon as I got fed up enough to write and post FINALLY about it that I would get the same sort of OLD tired replies every time the issue comes up. It's worthless arguing against this sort of low brain power but because sometimes, I, as a victim of sexual harrassment and abuse, I get fed up and I recognize it for what it is. If you want to appreciate this type of female form, personal-message it between yourselves. The appreciation for the female form comes in more shapes and forms than the teen wearing barely nothing in sexual poses. A woman is a full grown female ADULT. The forms are natural without any silicone enhancements, NO airbrushing to remove any perceived wrinkles or moles and OVER 21. They can be OVER 31, OVER 41, OVER 51.  The standards of this "community" is absolutely a bunch of HYPOCRISY talk. If a handful of women finds it funny, there are thousands more who think it's not. I'm not a feminazi, sometimes I get fed up of being used but with the prevalent attitudes of pubescent teens in men old enough to exercise constraint and take their "appreciation for the female form" elsewhere where they'd be less constricted and more thouroughly enjoyed, ya know, wears me out.  Why doesn't Rob Halford himself, who appreciates the male form, why doesn't he have a bunch of pubescent looking naked guys on his website?  Why do *I* have to deal with your sexual preferences here, even though I am very aware each JP member is not assexual? As I said, I'm not a feminazi or a prude, but sometimes, sometimes, I'd like these threads to not exist in this website.  I'm venting and wasting my time because ignorance and stupidity will always win out.      Head banger wrote: Where Am I,  The threads you mention are not intened to be juvenile, or targeted primariy for teens.  Lots of people view them, some of both genders dont like them.  But, some dont like the tastless joke thread, some find the inuendo in the sinfull thread offensive.  over the years, many people have posted in the thong thread, very little of it has been beyond the comunity standards, as indicated by the number of banned messages.  Its sure not intended to harass anyone.  Its just a place that started as a joke but evolved into a place for appreciation of the female form, and infact, over the years I can think of three women who were regular contributors, and more who were ocasional contributors peace.      Where AmI wrote: I wish there wasn't a thread or two at jp.com where photos are posted of barely dressed women in sexually suggestive poses. If I have those threads in ignore when I'm logged in, I can't help but be slapped in the face by this juvenile sexism catering to - male - teens when I'm just passing by to see if there are any worthwhile news of the band. Because sometimes I get fed up of having sexist sort of crap being thrown at me from every angle. Sometimes I would like some respite from being harrassed either physically or mentally. Sometimes I wish for certain threads to not exist and those who keep feeding them to go to the titty websites and STAY THERE.

I dont recall him posting there before. 

of course not everyone shares the same standards, like I said, there are people who find the sinfull thread offensive.  too bad for them.  some of the convo there has been quite racy.  oh well.  too bad, its there, and isnt over the top ofensive.  

all kinds of threads piss off one person or another, the one that probably brings the most offence is the social issues and politics thread.  

I infer from your posts that you use the messages since your last visit button, and that not signing in prevents you from ignoring it.  since, I doubt its going away, I sugest that logging in each time solves your problem.  Most people dont use that button, and so, its not an issue for them.  good luck.

Remember, practice what you preach goes both ways.  now that i think about it, the female who was most offended by that thread was gay, and the most offended was a male.  I still stand by my recolection that three of the top 6 posters are female, and 2 are married with kids, not sure about the third, but I know she posts in the sinfull thread also.  Playboy Magazine is the magazine where the subscription base is closest to the natural population distribution, 51& female, 49 male.  a fair bit of airbrushing there too (old stat from advertizing class, sorry if its out of date)

anyway, have a nice day.

		Where AmI wrote:
		Actually, I have seriously considered that. However, IF the webmaster was really concerned, he would have banned the thread by now, since it has been argued and discussed several times before. As it goes, he likely posts there too. "The true test", sure...I stand by what I said, if there is nothing you can say apart from "community standards" - which is assuming everybody that logs in or lurks actually shares the same standards as you, apart from liking Judas Priest.  Me, with having vented online for anybody to reply only now, years after the thread first came to existence, and not having bothered to get involved in circular arguments in those times, it is a no-brainer that asking for it to be banned is a very unpopular move and a late one too. I can't tell people what to say and what to do. I can only hope that by their sense and reasoning they will do well unto everybody (me including), wouldn't you think so?  But it doesn't stop me from venting every now and again because I find those images pretty sad.. and a damn nuissance when I don't want to log in, just want to browse around and see what's up (just like I said in the initial post). Thank you for keeping ignorance and stupidity from completely overwhelming your replies, but I wish Practice What You Preach was the more prevalent attitude towards your female metal fans.      Head banger wrote: well then I will not bring you more ignorance and stupidity then.  as to comunity standards, report them all as ofensive, and see what murray does.  thats the true test.      Where AmI wrote: Yes, they are intended to be juvenile, quit feeding me bullshit, I ain't having none of it today.  There is something very wrong if the ADULT, GROWN UPS, over 30; the over 40 crowd is posting and looking at pubescent looking women with absolutely no body hair. If women posting this sort of crap are doing it, I don't want to meet the lesbians. I already knew as soon as I got fed up enough to write and post FINALLY about it that I would get the same sort of OLD tired replies every time the issue comes up. It's worthless arguing against this sort of low brain power but because sometimes, I, as a victim of sexual harrassment and abuse, I get fed up and I recognize it for what it is. If you want to appreciate this type of female form, personal-message it between yourselves. The appreciation for the female form comes in more shapes and forms than the teen wearing barely nothing in sexual poses. A woman is a full grown female ADULT. The forms are natural without any silicone enhancements, NO airbrushing to remove any perceived wrinkles or moles and OVER 21. They can be OVER 31, OVER 41, OVER 51.  The standards of this "community" is absolutely a bunch of HYPOCRISY talk. If a handful of women finds it funny, there are thousands more who think it's not. I'm not a feminazi, sometimes I get fed up of being used but with the prevalent attitudes of pubescent teens in men old enough to exercise constraint and take their "appreciation for the female form" elsewhere where they'd be less constricted and more thouroughly enjoyed, ya know, wears me out.  Why doesn't Rob Halford himself, who appreciates the male form, why doesn't he have a bunch of pubescent looking naked guys on his website?  Why do *I* have to deal with your sexual preferences here, even though I am very aware each JP member is not assexual? As I said, I'm not a feminazi or a prude, but sometimes, sometimes, I'd like these threads to not exist in this website.  I'm venting and wasting my time because ignorance and stupidity will always win out.      Head banger wrote: Where Am I,  The threads you mention are not intened to be juvenile, or targeted primariy for teens.  Lots of people view them, some of both genders dont like them.  But, some dont like the tastless joke thread, some find the inuendo in the sinfull thread offensive.  over the years, many people have posted in the thong thread, very little of it has been beyond the comunity standards, as indicated by the number of banned messages.  Its sure not intended to harass anyone.  Its just a place that started as a joke but evolved into a place for appreciation of the female form, and infact, over the years I can think of three women who were regular contributors, and more who were ocasional contributors peace.      Where AmI wrote: I wish there wasn't a thread or two at jp.com where photos are posted of barely dressed women in sexually suggestive poses. If I have those threads in ignore when I'm logged in, I can't help but be slapped in the face by this juvenile sexism catering to - male - teens when I'm just passing by to see if there are any worthwhile news of the band. Because sometimes I get fed up of having sexist sort of crap being thrown at me from every angle. Sometimes I would like some respite from being harrassed either physically or mentally. Sometimes I wish for certain threads to not exist and those who keep feeding them to go to the titty websites and STAY THERE.

Hmm... ... didn't think you'd take it so near and dear to your heart...

		Metal god/Electric eye! wrote:
		THEN DONT VISIT THEM!,THE GIRLS GOT THERES ARE YOU GONNA KNOCK THAT ONE    (Quoting Message by Where AmI from Monday, September 22, 2008 7:55:30 PM)   Where AmI wrote:   I wish there wasn't a thread or two at jp.com where photos are posted of barely dressed women in sexually suggestive poses. If I have those threads in ignore when I'm logged in, I can't help but be slapped in the face by this juvenile sexism catering to - male - teens when I'm just passing by to see if there are any worthwhile news of the band. Because sometimes I get fed up of having sexist sort of crap being thrown at me from every angle. Sometimes I would like some respite from being harrassed either physically or mentally. Sometimes I wish for certain threads to not exist and those who keep feeding them to go to the titty websites and STAY THERE. Edited at: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:32:41 PM