I knew a friend who had one and I splet is his guest room next to his room and never even heard the thing. But then again, I had Flora in the bed with me and she snored back then! She had to have her tonsils removed and has not sored since.
Wouldn't hurt to get sleep tested though, just to see if it's happening. 
I'm with you, if I were forced to sleep on my back I would go insane! Been a belly sleeper/ fetal position sleeper my whole life, would never get an ounce of sleep on my back. 
I'm off for now, Flora wants my computer.

		guidogodoy wrote:
		Don't think I ever mentioned it before, Spa, but pop works for the mega-medical company Fisher Scientific. High position at that... I can't believe he wouldn't have the newest machine. Damn think was still a bit loud. Then again, I am an extremely light sleeper. Plus, I'd have to sleep on my damn back!!  Ah...maybe someday. Becks: thanks for the kind words. Typical guy answer: yeah...I'll get around to it sometime. I am actually in a bit of shock over the sudden death of Natasha Richardson. WTF? Died after an accident on a bunny hill??! What type of crap luck is THAT? Here I just get back from cliff-jumping double black diamond runs at almost 10,000 feet where you easily could have lost control and fallen off a cliff and she dies because of a fender bender on a green run. Wow, I am really shocked at the news and I don't even know much about her career as an actress.      spapad wrote: If if turns out you need one someday the machines are WAY quieter than they used to be.      guidogodoy wrote: Oh I know and my doc has, indeed, suggested that I go in for a sleep study. Perhaps one of these days, I might just get around to it.... In Utah, was all I could do to sleep hearing the gurgling machine of my father's cpap in the room next door! I just figure, avoid sleep, avoid the problem, eh? Guido! Keeper of the Night!      MG_Metalgoddess wrote:   Shame on you GUido... Iam after my dad all the time... He went for a sleep study.. he quit breathing 86 times in 1 minute at one point...  Grrrrrrrrrr....  Then some doctor perscribed him sleeping pills without looking at his full health record.. I could have crapped my pants when I heard that... Yes my dad is soo stubborn,.,,,  Men are usually less attentive when comes to healthy things, and doing them.. but some men I know are health conscience.  You should go for a sleep study Guido, and see what they say... Becks should too if the problem doesnt get better or  gets worse... Its very important... Very... Hugs MG~      guidogodoy wrote: Sleep apnea? It is a Cpap machine. At least it SHOULD be one if he has apnea. Runs in my family (and probably me). Not so much an alarm but it forces air to avoid choking. You are right though. I probably should be using one but can't STAND sleeping on my back!  Men, eh? (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:51:09 PM)   MG_Metalgoddess wrote:   Oh BECKS..  is it asthma???  My brother and my dad both have sleep apnea..  Which is scary..  2 days before christmas  my dad had a siezure when he quit breathing... The ambulance came out to their house,  he is supposed to be on a oxeygen machine when he sleeps, and it has a alarm on it in  case you have trouble or quit breathing..  Hes to damm stubborn to use it.....   Makes me mad..  MG~       Becks wrote:   No Necro you have to stay! Well I went back to the doctor about my night time cough/breathing problems. I now have a second inhaler, a spacer and a peak flow meter I have to use every time I use my inhalers, before and after. What a pain in the bum. I also have to record every reading I get for when I go back to the doc in a couple of weeks *sigh* Edited at: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:15:43 PM

They said she was brain dead.. I guess she was sking with out any head protection....  SAD,,,,

I dont know much about the whole accident.  or her carrer  .. but that is what I read on the headline today!

She was a very pretty woman... Very sad for her family.

Okay Iam off to watch LOST... Be back later  MG~

ARGH   MEN.....

   LOL

Yeah I had my dad go to a diff doctor I was soo mad..  But he was not honest with his doctor either.. so the blame goes both ways.... 

GUIDO... I worry now... What if you get so tired from beign up all night.. that you body doesnt wake yourself up if you have it????  What are we going to do if something happens to our Guido??? I would be devestated.

		guidogodoy wrote:
		Oh I know and my doc has, indeed, suggested that I go in for a sleep study. Perhaps one of these days, I might just get around to it.... In Utah, was all I could do to sleep hearing the gurgling machine of my father's cpap in the room next door! I just figure, avoid sleep, avoid the problem, eh? Guido! Keeper of the Night!      MG_Metalgoddess wrote:   Shame on you GUido... Iam after my dad all the time... He went for a sleep study.. he quit breathing 86 times in 1 minute at one point...  Grrrrrrrrrr....  Then some doctor perscribed him sleeping pills without looking at his full health record.. I could have crapped my pants when I heard that... Yes my dad is soo stubborn,.,,,  Men are usually less attentive when comes to healthy things, and doing them.. but some men I know are health conscience.  You should go for a sleep study Guido, and see what they say... Becks should too if the problem doesnt get better or  gets worse... Its very important... Very... Hugs MG~      guidogodoy wrote: Sleep apnea? It is a Cpap machine. At least it SHOULD be one if he has apnea. Runs in my family (and probably me). Not so much an alarm but it forces air to avoid choking. You are right though. I probably should be using one but can't STAND sleeping on my back!  Men, eh? (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:51:09 PM)   MG_Metalgoddess wrote:   Oh BECKS..  is it asthma???  My brother and my dad both have sleep apnea..  Which is scary..  2 days before christmas  my dad had a siezure when he quit breathing... The ambulance came out to their house,  he is supposed to be on a oxeygen machine when he sleeps, and it has a alarm on it in  case you have trouble or quit breathing..  Hes to damm stubborn to use it.....   Makes me mad..  MG~       Becks wrote:   No Necro you have to stay! Well I went back to the doctor about my night time cough/breathing problems. I now have a second inhaler, a spacer and a peak flow meter I have to use every time I use my inhalers, before and after. What a pain in the bum. I also have to record every reading I get for when I go back to the doc in a couple of weeks *sigh* Edited at: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:15:43 PM

No Necro you have to stay!

Well I went back to the doctor about my night time cough/breathing problems. I now have a second inhaler, a spacer and a peak flow meter I have to use every time I use my inhalers, before and after. What a pain in the bum. I also have to record every reading I get for when I go back to the doc in a couple of weeks *sigh*

NOw you listen to ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   you are not going any where!!!!   dammitt!!!!!    I have to put up with some slamming me in PM"S to the other girls, you are not going anywhere because of a computer glich.... LMAO

You are Loved out here,,  and I would miss you are a true friend.. Now kick the computer a few times, and log in..

Cause you are here to stay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  LMAO

Luv Ya Necro...

		Necroticist wrote:
		Tell ya what - am tempted to leave here....murray never answered on connection probs..think i annoyed a few ppl recently..am in two minds....

Iam doing wonderful helping my priest girls plan a trip for this summer.. Us gals from KK's my space are gonna celebrate july4th  Priest style!!!!!!!!!!   And we will all be together...... 
We re bringing MR DAVEGENOCIDE ALONG!!!!  he is in MN my hometown of St Paul....  

Me Melinda ( biker babe) Chels, Morgan, And Dave, so far..    And the priest men of course.. 

MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH....... LMAO   Look out twin cities,,  the bad girls are coming in! 

		scorpion01 wrote:
		MG HOW ARE YOU DOING?  IT'S BEEN A WHILE. MY FAULT OF COURSE! HOPE ALL IS WELL.

Couldnt say. I dont know what simple and compund is. I know that there is the thing where, if you have 500€ and a 10% interest rate, that amounts to 550€. Then there is another where the interest rate is set, but depends on individual payments, rather than the entire amount of money. At least that what they taught us - a bit later, tho, that was in high school, and we even took a test on it.

You know, I would be a rotten liar if I said that I paid attention all the time. Or even most of the time. But I do know basic arithmetics, and percents are as basic as it gets.

		Deep Freeze wrote:
		I remember learning about %s and how to calculate with them when I wasnt much more than ten. And, frankly, thats all you really need to figure out interests. Well my friend, you are partially correct. Did they teach you the difference netween Simple and Compound interest? It is not always as simple as you mentioned. Yes, we have compulsory education here but, quite frankly, I do not believe everyone pays attention the whole time!!!      _strat_ wrote: Well, how uneducated can you get? I mean, you do have compulsory education up to the age of 15, do you? We have it, and I remember learning about %s and how to calculate with them when I wasnt much more than ten. And, frankly, thats all you really need to figure out interests. Yup. Changes. And adapting. And tightening the belt a bit. Some people seem to think that a new car every 3 years is their god-given right. That its their god given right to go to a supermarket, fill up a trolley, pay with a credit card and thats it. We will see - we are burning off reserves, reccesion is at the doorstep. We will see how that kind of people will fare in it.      Deep Freeze wrote: HA!!!!!!!!!!! You'd be surprised, strat. You really would. People are just stupid, by and large. Well, uneducated I guess is a better term. It is really an economic decision, just as with anything else financial. This country is in a terrible recession. People are losing money like crazy. There are times when a poor (Bear) market require changes in how one uses one's money. Really the only people making money in stocks and such are a few Day Traders and Commodities folks. You must adapt. I have ALL our money in Money Market accounts and CDs right now. Safest place to be. NOT a huge payback but safe. You have to THINK in times such as these. Greed can cause terrible mistakes.      _strat_ wrote: I already do. Thats something you take into consideration when you buy it. You dont buy a car (or anything that costs like a car) like you buy a loaf of bread. IDK whats complicated about that.      Deep Freeze wrote: HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I suppose it was, strat!!  As for cars, they do tell you a price here but it is NOT the TOTAL COST! Total cost is car price plus all those interest payments you make over the years. You will know what I mean someday, man. Happens all the time here in the US. If people actually knew what the total cost of things were, they would scream. You buy a 15K car and pay 60 payments of $350 a month. (Do the math!)      _strat_ wrote: They dont tell you the full price? IDK... There must be some kind of a law against that... But in any case, I never bought anything so big I would have to pay it in rates, but I know that everytime we talk about stuff like cars, appartments, ect. we always speak in full prices. Not "I got this car for ten payments of 300€". 3000€, and thats it. Come to think of it, its a good habbit.  It was really funny before we had euros, when stuff like cars and appartments would cost millions of Slo. Tolars... The good old days - when we were all millionares.      Deep Freeze wrote: Very wise, my friend. You know, so many people think they understand interest but do not. When people  in this country buy a house, they are always worried about "rate"....RATE RATE RATE. Amazing. Rate is merely a payment amount!  Seriously. What they need to be concerned with is total cost, just as you mentioned. What will it cost me in full? If you go to buy a car, try asking the sales guy what the price of the car is, IN FULL. All they do is sell you a payment. They do not want you to know what the total cost is!! THAT is how interest really works.      _strat_ wrote: Yup. And I usualy get a percent or two of discount if I pay in cash. Just for the big stuff, tho, like when I bought the guitar amp.  Frankly, I know what is a "limit" and I get "interest", but... I just choose the simplest way. I know how much I have = I know how much I can spend. Not the stuff when "I have 500€, but I can spend 700, and pay the difference later". Just complications. Expensive ones too.      Deep Freeze wrote: That's a great point strat. Knowing what you are spending. People use credit, pay the monthly payments and get buried by interest. Worse yet, MOST people do NOT truly understand interest and that is a HUGE problem.      _strat_ wrote: I dont use any money-related cards either. No credit cards, and even tho I have my bank card (or whatever its called - the one you stick in the ATM machine), I dont pay with it either. My reason is just that... I like cash. Really, with cards I never have a feeling on how much Im spending that I have with coins and banknotes.      Deep Freeze wrote: 'Morning, gents. Interesting conversation. I do not use credit cards, either. As a matter of fact, I am constantly crusading against them. In this country, credit is the number one obstacle towards wealth. You simply cannnot build true wealth when you are in debt. Working for a bank, I have seen some horrible mistakes with credit.  I have a car payment but only because I did not want to spend all the cash at once. Same with the house. But I do not carry even ONE credit card and neither does the Princess. We use debit or pay cash. Period.

OMG  Were talking math problems,, percent's ect....   YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have a Happy WED to all the metal maniac family...

Hugs MG~

I AGREE WITH YOU STRAT ON THE NEW CAR. I THINK IT IS THE BIGGEST WASTE OF MONEY. ESPECIALLY IN THE CITY.  I PURCHASED MY CAR TWO YEARS OLD FOR $7,000 LESS THAT A NEW MODEL. INSURANCE WAS MUCH CHEAPER. PAID IT OFF IN 2 YEARS AND KEPT IT FOR 8 MORE YEARS WITHOUT ANY PAYMENTS. JUST ROUTINE MAINTENANCE.  WHEN THE MAINTENANCE BEGAN TO COME MORE FREQUENTLY IT WAS TIME TO MOVE ON. I NOW HAVE MY "NEW" CAR FOR 6 YEARS AND HAVEN'T HAD A PAYMENT IN 4 YEARS.
AT APPROXIMATELY $300 A MONTH THATS $3,600 LESS EXPENSE A YEAR.

		_strat_ wrote:
		Well, how uneducated can you get? I mean, you do have compulsory education up to the age of 15, do you? We have it, and I remember learning about %s and how to calculate with them when I wasnt much more than ten. And, frankly, thats all you really need to figure out interests. Yup. Changes. And adapting. And tightening the belt a bit. Some people seem to think that a new car every 3 years is their god-given right. That its their god given right to go to a supermarket, fill up a trolley, pay with a credit card and thats it. We will see - we are burning off reserves, reccesion is at the doorstep. We will see how that kind of people will fare in it.      Deep Freeze wrote: HA!!!!!!!!!!! You'd be surprised, strat. You really would. People are just stupid, by and large. Well, uneducated I guess is a better term. It is really an economic decision, just as with anything else financial. This country is in a terrible recession. People are losing money like crazy. There are times when a poor (Bear) market require changes in how one uses one's money. Really the only people making money in stocks and such are a few Day Traders and Commodities folks. You must adapt. I have ALL our money in Money Market accounts and CDs right now. Safest place to be. NOT a huge payback but safe. You have to THINK in times such as these. Greed can cause terrible mistakes.      _strat_ wrote: I already do. Thats something you take into consideration when you buy it. You dont buy a car (or anything that costs like a car) like you buy a loaf of bread. IDK whats complicated about that.      Deep Freeze wrote: HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I suppose it was, strat!!  As for cars, they do tell you a price here but it is NOT the TOTAL COST! Total cost is car price plus all those interest payments you make over the years. You will know what I mean someday, man. Happens all the time here in the US. If people actually knew what the total cost of things were, they would scream. You buy a 15K car and pay 60 payments of $350 a month. (Do the math!)      _strat_ wrote: They dont tell you the full price? IDK... There must be some kind of a law against that... But in any case, I never bought anything so big I would have to pay it in rates, but I know that everytime we talk about stuff like cars, appartments, ect. we always speak in full prices. Not "I got this car for ten payments of 300€". 3000€, and thats it. Come to think of it, its a good habbit.  It was really funny before we had euros, when stuff like cars and appartments would cost millions of Slo. Tolars... The good old days - when we were all millionares.      Deep Freeze wrote: Very wise, my friend. You know, so many people think they understand interest but do not. When people  in this country buy a house, they are always worried about "rate"....RATE RATE RATE. Amazing. Rate is merely a payment amount!  Seriously. What they need to be concerned with is total cost, just as you mentioned. What will it cost me in full? If you go to buy a car, try asking the sales guy what the price of the car is, IN FULL. All they do is sell you a payment. They do not want you to know what the total cost is!! THAT is how interest really works.      _strat_ wrote: Yup. And I usualy get a percent or two of discount if I pay in cash. Just for the big stuff, tho, like when I bought the guitar amp.  Frankly, I know what is a "limit" and I get "interest", but... I just choose the simplest way. I know how much I have = I know how much I can spend. Not the stuff when "I have 500€, but I can spend 700, and pay the difference later". Just complications. Expensive ones too.      Deep Freeze wrote: That's a great point strat. Knowing what you are spending. People use credit, pay the monthly payments and get buried by interest. Worse yet, MOST people do NOT truly understand interest and that is a HUGE problem.      _strat_ wrote: I dont use any money-related cards either. No credit cards, and even tho I have my bank card (or whatever its called - the one you stick in the ATM machine), I dont pay with it either. My reason is just that... I like cash. Really, with cards I never have a feeling on how much Im spending that I have with coins and banknotes.      Deep Freeze wrote: 'Morning, gents. Interesting conversation. I do not use credit cards, either. As a matter of fact, I am constantly crusading against them. In this country, credit is the number one obstacle towards wealth. You simply cannnot build true wealth when you are in debt. Working for a bank, I have seen some horrible mistakes with credit.  I have a car payment but only because I did not want to spend all the cash at once. Same with the house. But I do not carry even ONE credit card and neither does the Princess. We use debit or pay cash. Period.