| [_strat_] Monday, February 09, 2009 4:05:02 PM | |
|
Probably. They are a very perspective young band. They need encouragement. I sure hope that we will be hearing a LOT more from them
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, February 09, 2009 3:57:58 PM)| |  | Head banger wrote: | | Dragonforce might make more use out of the grammy than Priest, but none of the bands there realy needs it.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well... Ive been thinking. I guess that its to each his own here. I guess theres plenty of Dragonforce fans jumping ten feet in the air, saying exactly the same things about Metallica as are being said here... IDK, if Priest or Dragonforce won, wouldnt the Metallica fans be doing the same? So... Whos right here? Lets face it, there were plenty of competitors in the two fields where Priest appeared - and only two prizes. As it happens Metallica took both of them. Ok. Someone had to win. As has been said before, Priest dont need the Grammy. Dragonforce dont either. Metallica the least of all, if truth be told. They will all go on making music for their fans - as is right. Because at the end of the day, its not what the people who give grammies like - its what fans like.
IDK about Metallicas twists and turns. I never paid much attention to them. Slayer and Megadeth - thats all the Trash I need. But... Metallica are, if we get down to it, probably the most succesfull band in commercial terms. Like I said before - if a non-metal fan thinks of metal, one of the first associations he/she will get is Metallica. Maybe, they do deserve that prize more than Priest do - it is after all about marketing, as has also been said before. Metallica are better at it than Priest. As for music... Well, we like Priest, obviously, thats why were here. Someone else likes Metallica. If we did a vote, Metallica fans would probably heavily outnumber us. Personal preferences.
Oh, and I have to comment on the issue of "substance" and "idiots who listen to Britney Spears"... I never saw any more substance in "Thunder road" than Ive seen in "Hit me Baby one more time". One song is about driving, the other about teenage love. Different topics, thats what it is... Maybe were just tired of listening to songs about love? I sure am... Thats why I listen to metal. I think Rob said once that there are too many love songs on the radio... Well, he was right. Im sick of it, so I listen to other stuff. Metal stuff. Love songs, but outnumbered by songs about monsters, mysticism, battles, stuff like that... BUT, I would never call someone who listens to Britney an idiot. Now, Britney herself is another story, but her fans... Well, we cant say that all Priest fans are cool either. Just look at how many republicans we have here (j/k). |
|
|
|
| [Head banger] Monday, February 09, 2009 3:57:58 PM | |
|
Dragonforce might make more use out of the grammy than Priest, but none of the bands there realy needs it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 09, 2009 3:45:25 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well... Ive been thinking. I guess that its to each his own here. I guess theres plenty of Dragonforce fans jumping ten feet in the air, saying exactly the same things about Metallica as are being said here... IDK, if Priest or Dragonforce won, wouldnt the Metallica fans be doing the same? So... Whos right here? Lets face it, there were plenty of competitors in the two fields where Priest appeared - and only two prizes. As it happens Metallica took both of them. Ok. Someone had to win. As has been said before, Priest dont need the Grammy. Dragonforce dont either. Metallica the least of all, if truth be told. They will all go on making music for their fans - as is right. Because at the end of the day, its not what the people who give grammies like - its what fans like.
IDK about Metallicas twists and turns. I never paid much attention to them. Slayer and Megadeth - thats all the Trash I need. But... Metallica are, if we get down to it, probably the most succesfull band in commercial terms. Like I said before - if a non-metal fan thinks of metal, one of the first associations he/she will get is Metallica. Maybe, they do deserve that prize more than Priest do - it is after all about marketing, as has also been said before. Metallica are better at it than Priest. As for music... Well, we like Priest, obviously, thats why were here. Someone else likes Metallica. If we did a vote, Metallica fans would probably heavily outnumber us. Personal preferences.
Oh, and I have to comment on the issue of "substance" and "idiots who listen to Britney Spears"... I never saw any more substance in "Thunder road" than Ive seen in "Hit me Baby one more time". One song is about driving, the other about teenage love. Different topics, thats what it is... Maybe were just tired of listening to songs about love? I sure am... Thats why I listen to metal. I think Rob said once that there are too many love songs on the radio... Well, he was right. Im sick of it, so I listen to other stuff. Metal stuff. Love songs, but outnumbered by songs about monsters, mysticism, battles, stuff like that... BUT, I would never call someone who listens to Britney an idiot. Now, Britney herself is another story, but her fans... Well, we cant say that all Priest fans are cool either. Just look at how many republicans we have here (j/k). |
|
|
| [_strat_] Monday, February 09, 2009 3:47:07 PM | |
|
Thats how old farts do it -when shit hits the fan -send in the youngest! My condolences, Scott...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN from Monday, February 09, 2009 2:52:39 PM)| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | WELL ONE THING SEEMS TO BE ALL THE BUZZ ABOUT THE GRAMMYS...NOMINEE CHRIS BROWN,WHOEVER THE HELL THAT IS  (AND THE FACT THAT I'M A HARD ROCK/METAL GUY,I'D BE EMBARRASED TO KNOW THAT MUSIC ANYWAY) WAS CHARGED WITH ALLEGED
FELONY BATTERY ON A WOMAN....I'LL BETCHA IT'S HIPPITY HOPPITY,DIPPITY DOOPITY,BACKWARD-HAT-WEARIN',MULTIPLE-GOLD CHAIN-WEARIN',YO-YO-YO,SIZE 60 JEANS-WEARIN' MUSIC RELATED... ...
THE GRAMMYS....
ROB>...GLENN>...IAN> ...K.K.>...ALL SITTIN' AT HOME THINKIN' ABOUT TRAVIS DRAWING THE SHORT STRAW AND HAVING TO SIT THROUGH THE GRAMMMMA'S...
OH YEAH,FORGOT...SCOTT>   |
|
|
| [_strat_] Monday, February 09, 2009 3:45:25 PM | |
|
Well... Ive been thinking. I guess that its to each his own here. I guess theres plenty of Dragonforce fans jumping ten feet in the air, saying exactly the same things about Metallica as are being said here... IDK, if Priest or Dragonforce won, wouldnt the Metallica fans be doing the same? So... Whos right here? Lets face it, there were plenty of competitors in the two fields where Priest appeared - and only two prizes. As it happens Metallica took both of them. Ok. Someone had to win. As has been said before, Priest dont need the Grammy. Dragonforce dont either. Metallica the least of all, if truth be told. They will all go on making music for their fans - as is right. Because at the end of the day, its not what the people who give grammies like - its what fans like.
IDK about Metallicas twists and turns. I never paid much attention to them. Slayer and Megadeth - thats all the Trash I need. But... Metallica are, if we get down to it, probably the most succesfull band in commercial terms. Like I said before - if a non-metal fan thinks of metal, one of the first associations he/she will get is Metallica. Maybe, they do deserve that prize more than Priest do - it is after all about marketing, as has also been said before. Metallica are better at it than Priest. As for music... Well, we like Priest, obviously, thats why were here. Someone else likes Metallica. If we did a vote, Metallica fans would probably heavily outnumber us. Personal preferences.
Oh, and I have to comment on the issue of "substance" and "idiots who listen to Britney Spears"... I never saw any more substance in "Thunder road" than Ive seen in "Hit me Baby one more time". One song is about driving, the other about teenage love. Different topics, thats what it is... Maybe were just tired of listening to songs about love? I sure am... Thats why I listen to metal. I think Rob said once that there are too many love songs on the radio... Well, he was right. Im sick of it, so I listen to other stuff. Metal stuff. Love songs, but outnumbered by songs about monsters, mysticism, battles, stuff like that... BUT, I would never call someone who listens to Britney an idiot. Now, Britney herself is another story, but her fans... Well, we cant say that all Priest fans are cool either. Just look at how many republicans we have here (j/k). |
|
| [Necroticist] Monday, February 09, 2009 3:01:24 PM | |
|
| Ach - ma kilt is swingin' high, ma sporran is fit tae bust an' ma dirk is chaffin' ma leg..aside frae that.. 'All Hail Jethro Tull!!' |
|
| [Soylentgreen4u] Monday, February 09, 2009 2:52:39 PM | |
|
WELL ONE THING SEEMS TO BE ALL THE BUZZ ABOUT THE GRAMMYS...NOMINEE CHRIS BROWN,WHOEVER THE HELL THAT IS (AND THE FACT THAT I'M A HARD ROCK/METAL GUY,I'D BE EMBARRASED TO KNOW THAT MUSIC ANYWAY) WAS CHARGED WITH ALLEGED
FELONY BATTERY ON A WOMAN....I'LL BETCHA IT'S HIPPITY HOPPITY,DIPPITY DOOPITY,BACKWARD-HAT-WEARIN',MULTIPLE-GOLD CHAIN-WEARIN',YO-YO-YO,SIZE 60 JEANS-WEARIN' MUSIC RELATED......
THE GRAMMYS....
ROB>...GLENN>...IAN> ...K.K.>...ALL SITTIN' AT HOME THINKIN' ABOUT TRAVIS DRAWING THE SHORT STRAW AND HAVING TO SIT THROUGH THE GRAMMMMA'S...
OH YEAH,FORGOT...SCOTT> |
|
| [Head banger] Monday, February 09, 2009 2:21:08 PM | |
|
of course, your right, their progression and changes make them what we love today. even if we dont love a particular album, they on the whole produce the best music out there. and they never seem to play it safe.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Justin Kenny from Monday, February 09, 2009 1:59:26 PM)| | | Justin Kenny wrote: | | I think it's fair to say Priest may have 'dabbled' in the commercial 'pool,' in the name of keeping their name relevant....as KK himself put it (regarding the radical direction of "Turbo"), "...we figure, if Dokken and Twisted Sister could do it, why not Priest?" And while "Turbo" DID in fact open the doors to many who might not have otherwise given Priest half a chance, it also served to (somewhat) alienate those fans who were expecting the more straight-forward, heavy-hitting style Priest evidenced by "Defenders...." But I think some of these 'yo-yo'-esque dabbles were done without much compromise....Priest never gave off the idea that anyone in their record company ever sat them down and pushed the idea of putting forth a more "radio-friendly" album....the only time Columbia "..got on them" was when they snubbed the idea of using Roger Glover to produce "Sin After Sin." Once they realized they'd get more done with him than without him (at the company's urging)...they back-pedaled on their decision and squired him to man the board after all. Beyond that, Priest (I think) have been largely left to their own devices...creatively speaking. They could've easily made more commercial sounding albums after "Turbo..." but they are, at their core...a HEAVY METAL band...which is why "Ram It Down" sounded heavier than "Turbo," and why "Painkiller" sounded heavier than the previous 2 efforts combined.
They could've also easily told Curbishley to go shit in a hat for suggesting a concept album about Nostradamus. But all it WAS...was an idea.....once it swam in their minds for a spell, they realized there was a lotta potential to take that idea, bring it to life, and make something great come of it....and that they did...I don't care who says what about it. After all....I didn't rightly expect EVERY Priest fan in existence to love this one....let's face it....historically, fans have always had varying opinions from one Priest release to the next....the fact they explore so many possible territories musically and keep it within the metal 'realm' is probably what drives some Priest fans outta their ever-lovin' minds. And maybe...JUST maybe...the industry itself doesn't quite know what to think/make of Judas Priest for the same reasons....wanna know what else?? I don't CARE what the industry thinks....and neither do Priest....they make music for THEMSELVES first....it's gotta please THEM first...and if they were AT ALL displeased or ill at odds about "Nostradamus" upon its completion or at any time during the creative process...it'd have never seen the light of day.
For that matter...the same could be said for everything else they released...it's all about progression....it's all about what THEY feel magnifies their best achievements effort for effort. I, for one...couldn't be any more proud to be a fan of this band!!!
| | | Head banger wrote: | | but, how do we know they are doing what they want? Turbo, was that a sell out? lots say so, I like it, but who am I. AOR was awesome, yet sold squat. is nost a gimick to sell more?
do they want to sell more? are they doing what they want, or what the industry wants? is selling out what they want? could they do some comercial crap? probably, but no one would buy it. they are known for doing what they do, not for "popular (read music lots of people like) music"
| | | paorcamp wrote: | | I see your point...I got it...but priest(after rob's return) kept doing whatever they wanted...you can see it with the last two albums....of course a band needs to sell their products...otherwise they would be unknown...and we fans would be disapointed and furious if we couldn't get their music....guitars and other stuff are not for free and they also need to eat...but metallica changed to a comercial band,they lost their identity...they lost that thing that made us like their music...and of course they turned their back to their real fans...on the other hand priest keeps trying new things, and nostradamus is a piece of evidence...for those who like it(i like it) and for those who don't
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I see. Well pao, win or lose, like or dislike, it is still about selling and making money. I admire your allegiance to Metal. I really do. Unfortunately, marketing and sales is what this whole show was about. Now then, on to your other post;
It is interesting that you would put it this way. ....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band.... As much as our dear friend Mr. Uno may take exception to what I am going to say, isn't that what Priest did with Ripper? They wanted to stay commercially viable and turned from what made them who they are/were. Jugulator is a great example. Not "Priest" sounding at all, as far as I am concerned. Very much like the grinding, crunchy "Nu-Metal" sound that is more commercial and sells more. They were trying to keep the cash coming in. Trying to remain relevant in the face of a HUGE change.
Of course, there are some that may point to Rob's return as a commercial gimmick. I can accept that. Say what you will but Priest, as with any other act, want to sell their records. That is what they do. It is how they make a living. For me, and most fans of the Band, Rob is what makes Priest. He is THE voice so I do not view his return as previously mentioned but I can see where some might make that connection. Anyway, it all comes down to selling the product. I don't think that Judas Priest are in a position at this stage of their career where they really need money..I mean gazillions. They certainly enjoy a comfortable lifestyle, I'm sure. I think Nostradamus is a good example of that. They did something they wanted to do, whether or not it is a commercial success. And I do not mean to insinuate that I do not like the album, because I do like it. I just believe that the Band has gone beyond the need for commercialism and so things like the Grammy award are nice but they won't really affect the Band's future.
| | | paorcamp wrote: | | NOOOO....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band....I won't give credit to a group who prefered fame and fortune over the real escence of music...sorry...but I can't...that's not selling more cd's by hardworking...that's selling more cd's because they left their roots and their true personality to do what the industry wants them to do...and that's something a real band would never do!!...that's not what made metallica famous...now they became shitallica...Who's the master of puppets now???huh???not you metallica...that's for sure!!! (Quoting Message by Numero Uno from Monday, February 09, 2009 11:40:39 AM)
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
GIve Tallica credit, they won the award. They sell more cd's anyway.
| |
|
paorcamp wrote: |
| |
eh...what kind of priest fan could ever say something like that!!!??
are you ok???If priest didn't deserve it...why would metallica do!!??
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
| Lots of sour grapes in here. Maybe Priest didn't win because they just didn't deserve to. |
|
|
Edited at: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:52:51 PM |
|
|
|
|
|
|
| [Deep Freeze] Monday, February 09, 2009 2:18:38 PM | |
|
Ah yes! Well put (as always) Justin. Much the same as I was saying. Well done, my friend.
Look, I am not a gigantic Metallica guy but I like their stuff. Of course, I like their OLD stuff better! HA!!! You know, they have changed. A lot. As far as I am concerned, they are better musicians, they write better music and they certainly are better people now. Unfortunately, that does not play well with their original fans because Metallica were all about "in your face", garage band Metal. They played hard and appealed to that kind of fan. The music they wrote was raw, hard-edged and brutal because that was who they were. It also made them a BIG act. Metal fans LOVE that stuff.
When they cut their hair and got clean and all, they alienated so many people because they were no longer "Metallica". The fact that they are better musically is not important. Their fans want that raw, drunk, slamming sound AND image. Anyway, they did what they feel they had to do and I am OK with that. I have not bought a Metallica album since Justice for All and I don't plan on getting anything anytime soon, but that's me. I suppose that, if Priest started wearing suits and playing Elton John tunes, I would have a problem with them. They certainly have the musical ability to play that kind of music but they won't. You see? |
|
| [Head banger] Monday, February 09, 2009 2:11:43 PM | |
|
I dont think they need awards, if they wanted them, they might have pursued them 20 years ago. now, I would say its too late. Sell out, I dunno, as the guy from the buthole surfers said "if we make music that people like, who is to complain". its true. its in how you interpret it. was the plan to sell more, at the expense of the existing fans? nope, wouldnt think so.
I agree on AOR. perhaps even more than painkiller, to me it defines priest. painkiller is a bit one sided, hard and fast, which is great, AOR covered all the bases.
your right, they are legends, and have their place in the history of those who know.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, February 09, 2009 1:52:41 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I hate the term "sell out". So many terrible connotations associated with it. I do not think that Turbo is a "sell out". I would not rank it as one of my top five, but it is OK. It was what they did at that time and they were very commercially relevant at the time, if you recall. Very much so. Turbo was an attempt to remain there, as far as I can see. I do not see it as selling out, though.
For me, AoR was more of a "return" to what it is they do. Not so much as Painkiller, but then, Painkiller is a classic. I really do not think that Priest concern themselves with what the "industry" wants, otherwise we would be listening to a Priest-Rap album by now. Or Priest - Hip Hop. THAT would be selling out! No, I think that Judas Priest are (and rightfully so) of the opinion that they are "above" that kind of thinking. Doing what is commercially required is not for them. They are at a point where they can do what they want to do and if sales are low, no one is going to be trading in the Bently for a Neon, you know?
Priest do not need to sell five million albums a year and win ten Grammys to be relevant. They have paid their dues, influenced their genre (really influenced), and secured their status and legends. They are in the unique and quite wonderful position of doing whatever they fancy and the mortgage still gets paid on time. Very few reach that level. More importantly, they do not have to "re-invent' themselves as so many "Pop" artists must in order to be viable as entertainers and artists to a moronic public. That kind of crap is for the Britney Spears' of the world. Those with very little substance and an overload of marketing hype.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | but, how do we know they are doing what they want? Turbo, was that a sell out? lots say so, I like it, but who am I. AOR was awesome, yet sold squat. is nost a gimick to sell more?
do they want to sell more? are they doing what they want, or what the industry wants? is selling out what they want? could they do some comercial crap? probably, but no one would buy it. they are known for doing what they do, not for "popular (read music lots of people like) music"
| | | paorcamp wrote: | | I see your point...I got it...but priest(after rob's return) kept doing whatever they wanted...you can see it with the last two albums....of course a band needs to sell their products...otherwise they would be unknown...and we fans would be disapointed and furious if we couldn't get their music....guitars and other stuff are not for free and they also need to eat...but metallica changed to a comercial band,they lost their identity...they lost that thing that made us like their music...and of course they turned their back to their real fans...on the other hand priest keeps trying new things, and nostradamus is a piece of evidence...for those who like it(i like it) and for those who don't
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I see. Well pao, win or lose, like or dislike, it is still about selling and making money. I admire your allegiance to Metal. I really do. Unfortunately, marketing and sales is what this whole show was about. Now then, on to your other post;
It is interesting that you would put it this way. ....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band.... As much as our dear friend Mr. Uno may take exception to what I am going to say, isn't that what Priest did with Ripper? They wanted to stay commercially viable and turned from what made them who they are/were. Jugulator is a great example. Not "Priest" sounding at all, as far as I am concerned. Very much like the grinding, crunchy "Nu-Metal" sound that is more commercial and sells more. They were trying to keep the cash coming in. Trying to remain relevant in the face of a HUGE change.
Of course, there are some that may point to Rob's return as a commercial gimmick. I can accept that. Say what you will but Priest, as with any other act, want to sell their records. That is what they do. It is how they make a living. For me, and most fans of the Band, Rob is what makes Priest. He is THE voice so I do not view his return as previously mentioned but I can see where some might make that connection. Anyway, it all comes down to selling the product. I don't think that Judas Priest are in a position at this stage of their career where they really need money..I mean gazillions. They certainly enjoy a comfortable lifestyle, I'm sure. I think Nostradamus is a good example of that. They did something they wanted to do, whether or not it is a commercial success. And I do not mean to insinuate that I do not like the album, because I do like it. I just believe that the Band has gone beyond the need for commercialism and so things like the Grammy award are nice but they won't really affect the Band's future.
| | | paorcamp wrote: | | NOOOO....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band....I won't give credit to a group who prefered fame and fortune over the real escence of music...sorry...but I can't...that's not selling more cd's by hardworking...that's selling more cd's because they left their roots and their true personality to do what the industry wants them to do...and that's something a real band would never do!!...that's not what made metallica famous...now they became shitallica...Who's the master of puppets now???huh???not you metallica...that's for sure!!! (Quoting Message by Numero Uno from Monday, February 09, 2009 11:40:39 AM)
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
GIve Tallica credit, they won the award. They sell more cd's anyway.
| |
|
paorcamp wrote: |
| |
eh...what kind of priest fan could ever say something like that!!!??
are you ok???If priest didn't deserve it...why would metallica do!!??
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
| Lots of sour grapes in here. Maybe Priest didn't win because they just didn't deserve to. |
|
|
Edited at: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:52:51 PM |
|
|
|
|
|
|
| [paorcamp] Monday, February 09, 2009 2:00:33 PM | |
|
ok dude...I didn't say that...I don't even think that way...and even if AoR or nostradamus don't contain a lot of metal...they're still good...and it's still priest...I can still feel the guitar and the bass and the drums and the voice, their passion...i still get exited listenig to it...they didn't change their escence...just the way they transmit it...totally different to metallica...they left what they used to be
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Numero Uno from Monday, February 09, 2009 1:51:52 PM)| | | Numero Uno wrote: | | What do you think Priest did with Turbo? If that wasn't a commerical sell out then what was. There's not a lot of metal songs on Nostradamus either. Not a lot of metal on that cd. Maybe 3 or 4 songs. Metallica won so they deserve credit.
| | | paorcamp wrote: | | NOOOO....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band....I won't give credit to a group who prefered fame and fortune over the real escence of music...sorry...but I can't...that's not selling more cd's by hardworking...that's selling more cd's because they left their roots and their true personality to do what the industry wants them to do...and that's something a real band would never do!!...that's not what made metallica famous...now they became shitallica...Who's the master of puppets now???huh???not you metallica...that's for sure!!! (Quoting Message by Numero Uno from Monday, February 09, 2009 11:40:39 AM)
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
GIve Tallica credit, they won the award. They sell more cd's anyway.
| |
|
paorcamp wrote: |
| |
eh...what kind of priest fan could ever say something like that!!!??
are you ok???If priest didn't deserve it...why would metallica do!!??
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
| Lots of sour grapes in here. Maybe Priest didn't win because they just didn't deserve to. |
|
|
Edited at: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:52:51 PM |
|
|
|
| [Justin Kenny] Monday, February 09, 2009 1:59:26 PM | |
|
I think it's fair to say Priest may have 'dabbled' in the commercial 'pool,' in the name of keeping their name relevant....as KK himself put it (regarding the radical direction of "Turbo"), "...we figure, if Dokken and Twisted Sister could do it, why not Priest?" And while "Turbo" DID in fact open the doors to many who might not have otherwise given Priest half a chance, it also served to (somewhat) alienate those fans who were expecting the more straight-forward, heavy-hitting style Priest evidenced by "Defenders...." But I think some of these 'yo-yo'-esque dabbles were done without much compromise....Priest never gave off the idea that anyone in their record company ever sat them down and pushed the idea of putting forth a more "radio-friendly" album....the only time Columbia "..got on them" was when they snubbed the idea of using Roger Glover to produce "Sin After Sin." Once they realized they'd get more done with him than without him (at the company's urging)...they back-pedaled on their decision and squired him to man the board after all. Beyond that, Priest (I think) have been largely left to their own devices...creatively speaking. They could've easily made more commercial sounding albums after "Turbo..." but they are, at their core...a HEAVY METAL band...which is why "Ram It Down" sounded heavier than "Turbo," and why "Painkiller" sounded heavier than the previous 2 efforts combined.
They could've also easily told Curbishley to go shit in a hat for suggesting a concept album about Nostradamus. But all it WAS...was an idea.....once it swam in their minds for a spell, they realized there was a lotta potential to take that idea, bring it to life, and make something great come of it....and that they did...I don't care who says what about it. After all....I didn't rightly expect EVERY Priest fan in existence to love this one....let's face it....historically, fans have always had varying opinions from one Priest release to the next....the fact they explore so many possible territories musically and keep it within the metal 'realm' is probably what drives some Priest fans outta their ever-lovin' minds. And maybe...JUST maybe...the industry itself doesn't quite know what to think/make of Judas Priest for the same reasons....wanna know what else?? I don't CARE what the industry thinks....and neither do Priest....they make music for THEMSELVES first....it's gotta please THEM first...and if they were AT ALL displeased or ill at odds about "Nostradamus" upon its completion or at any time during the creative process...it'd have never seen the light of day.
For that matter...the same could be said for everything else they released...it's all about progression....it's all about what THEY feel magnifies their best achievements effort for effort. I, for one...couldn't be any more proud to be a fan of this band!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, February 09, 2009 1:31:01 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | but, how do we know they are doing what they want? Turbo, was that a sell out? lots say so, I like it, but who am I. AOR was awesome, yet sold squat. is nost a gimick to sell more?
do they want to sell more? are they doing what they want, or what the industry wants? is selling out what they want? could they do some comercial crap? probably, but no one would buy it. they are known for doing what they do, not for "popular (read music lots of people like) music"
| | | paorcamp wrote: | | I see your point...I got it...but priest(after rob's return) kept doing whatever they wanted...you can see it with the last two albums....of course a band needs to sell their products...otherwise they would be unknown...and we fans would be disapointed and furious if we couldn't get their music....guitars and other stuff are not for free and they also need to eat...but metallica changed to a comercial band,they lost their identity...they lost that thing that made us like their music...and of course they turned their back to their real fans...on the other hand priest keeps trying new things, and nostradamus is a piece of evidence...for those who like it(i like it) and for those who don't
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I see. Well pao, win or lose, like or dislike, it is still about selling and making money. I admire your allegiance to Metal. I really do. Unfortunately, marketing and sales is what this whole show was about. Now then, on to your other post;
It is interesting that you would put it this way. ....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band.... As much as our dear friend Mr. Uno may take exception to what I am going to say, isn't that what Priest did with Ripper? They wanted to stay commercially viable and turned from what made them who they are/were. Jugulator is a great example. Not "Priest" sounding at all, as far as I am concerned. Very much like the grinding, crunchy "Nu-Metal" sound that is more commercial and sells more. They were trying to keep the cash coming in. Trying to remain relevant in the face of a HUGE change.
Of course, there are some that may point to Rob's return as a commercial gimmick. I can accept that. Say what you will but Priest, as with any other act, want to sell their records. That is what they do. It is how they make a living. For me, and most fans of the Band, Rob is what makes Priest. He is THE voice so I do not view his return as previously mentioned but I can see where some might make that connection. Anyway, it all comes down to selling the product. I don't think that Judas Priest are in a position at this stage of their career where they really need money..I mean gazillions. They certainly enjoy a comfortable lifestyle, I'm sure. I think Nostradamus is a good example of that. They did something they wanted to do, whether or not it is a commercial success. And I do not mean to insinuate that I do not like the album, because I do like it. I just believe that the Band has gone beyond the need for commercialism and so things like the Grammy award are nice but they won't really affect the Band's future.
| | | paorcamp wrote: | | NOOOO....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band....I won't give credit to a group who prefered fame and fortune over the real escence of music...sorry...but I can't...that's not selling more cd's by hardworking...that's selling more cd's because they left their roots and their true personality to do what the industry wants them to do...and that's something a real band would never do!!...that's not what made metallica famous...now they became shitallica...Who's the master of puppets now???huh???not you metallica...that's for sure!!! (Quoting Message by Numero Uno from Monday, February 09, 2009 11:40:39 AM)
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
GIve Tallica credit, they won the award. They sell more cd's anyway.
| |
|
paorcamp wrote: |
| |
eh...what kind of priest fan could ever say something like that!!!??
are you ok???If priest didn't deserve it...why would metallica do!!??
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
| Lots of sour grapes in here. Maybe Priest didn't win because they just didn't deserve to. |
|
|
Edited at: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:52:51 PM |
|
|
|
|
|
| [Deep Freeze] Monday, February 09, 2009 1:52:41 PM | |
|
I hate the term "sell out". So many terrible connotations associated with it. I do not think that Turbo is a "sell out". I would not rank it as one of my top five, but it is OK. It was what they did at that time and they were very commercially relevant at the time, if you recall. Very much so. Turbo was an attempt to remain there, as far as I can see. I do not see it as selling out, though.
For me, AoR was more of a "return" to what it is they do. Not so much as Painkiller, but then, Painkiller is a classic. I really do not think that Priest concern themselves with what the "industry" wants, otherwise we would be listening to a Priest-Rap album by now. Or Priest - Hip Hop. THAT would be selling out! No, I think that Judas Priest are (and rightfully so) of the opinion that they are "above" that kind of thinking. Doing what is commercially required is not for them. They are at a point where they can do what they want to do and if sales are low, no one is going to be trading in the Bently for a Neon, you know?
Priest do not need to sell five million albums a year and win ten Grammys to be relevant. They have paid their dues, influenced their genre (really influenced), and secured their status and legends. They are in the unique and quite wonderful position of doing whatever they fancy and the mortgage still gets paid on time. Very few reach that level. More importantly, they do not have to "re-invent' themselves as so many "Pop" artists must in order to be viable as entertainers and artists to a moronic public. That kind of crap is for the Britney Spears' of the world. Those with very little substance and an overload of marketing hype.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, February 09, 2009 1:31:01 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | but, how do we know they are doing what they want? Turbo, was that a sell out? lots say so, I like it, but who am I. AOR was awesome, yet sold squat. is nost a gimick to sell more?
do they want to sell more? are they doing what they want, or what the industry wants? is selling out what they want? could they do some comercial crap? probably, but no one would buy it. they are known for doing what they do, not for "popular (read music lots of people like) music"
| | | paorcamp wrote: | | I see your point...I got it...but priest(after rob's return) kept doing whatever they wanted...you can see it with the last two albums....of course a band needs to sell their products...otherwise they would be unknown...and we fans would be disapointed and furious if we couldn't get their music....guitars and other stuff are not for free and they also need to eat...but metallica changed to a comercial band,they lost their identity...they lost that thing that made us like their music...and of course they turned their back to their real fans...on the other hand priest keeps trying new things, and nostradamus is a piece of evidence...for those who like it(i like it) and for those who don't
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I see. Well pao, win or lose, like or dislike, it is still about selling and making money. I admire your allegiance to Metal. I really do. Unfortunately, marketing and sales is what this whole show was about. Now then, on to your other post;
It is interesting that you would put it this way. ....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band.... As much as our dear friend Mr. Uno may take exception to what I am going to say, isn't that what Priest did with Ripper? They wanted to stay commercially viable and turned from what made them who they are/were. Jugulator is a great example. Not "Priest" sounding at all, as far as I am concerned. Very much like the grinding, crunchy "Nu-Metal" sound that is more commercial and sells more. They were trying to keep the cash coming in. Trying to remain relevant in the face of a HUGE change.
Of course, there are some that may point to Rob's return as a commercial gimmick. I can accept that. Say what you will but Priest, as with any other act, want to sell their records. That is what they do. It is how they make a living. For me, and most fans of the Band, Rob is what makes Priest. He is THE voice so I do not view his return as previously mentioned but I can see where some might make that connection. Anyway, it all comes down to selling the product. I don't think that Judas Priest are in a position at this stage of their career where they really need money..I mean gazillions. They certainly enjoy a comfortable lifestyle, I'm sure. I think Nostradamus is a good example of that. They did something they wanted to do, whether or not it is a commercial success. And I do not mean to insinuate that I do not like the album, because I do like it. I just believe that the Band has gone beyond the need for commercialism and so things like the Grammy award are nice but they won't really affect the Band's future.
| | | paorcamp wrote: | | NOOOO....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band....I won't give credit to a group who prefered fame and fortune over the real escence of music...sorry...but I can't...that's not selling more cd's by hardworking...that's selling more cd's because they left their roots and their true personality to do what the industry wants them to do...and that's something a real band would never do!!...that's not what made metallica famous...now they became shitallica...Who's the master of puppets now???huh???not you metallica...that's for sure!!! (Quoting Message by Numero Uno from Monday, February 09, 2009 11:40:39 AM)
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
GIve Tallica credit, they won the award. They sell more cd's anyway.
| |
|
paorcamp wrote: |
| |
eh...what kind of priest fan could ever say something like that!!!??
are you ok???If priest didn't deserve it...why would metallica do!!??
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
| Lots of sour grapes in here. Maybe Priest didn't win because they just didn't deserve to. |
|
|
Edited at: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:52:51 PM |
|
|
|
|
|
| [Cooper Ryback] Monday, February 09, 2009 1:51:52 PM | |
|
What do you think Priest did with Turbo? If that wasn't a commerical sell out then what was. There's not a lot of metal songs on Nostradamus either. Not a lot of metal on that cd. Maybe 3 or 4 songs. Metallica won so they deserve credit.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by paorcamp from Monday, February 09, 2009 12:28:40 PM)| | | paorcamp wrote: | | NOOOO....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band....I won't give credit to a group who prefered fame and fortune over the real escence of music...sorry...but I can't...that's not selling more cd's by hardworking...that's selling more cd's because they left their roots and their true personality to do what the industry wants them to do...and that's something a real band would never do!!...that's not what made metallica famous...now they became shitallica...Who's the master of puppets now???huh???not you metallica...that's for sure!!! (Quoting Message by Numero Uno from Monday, February 09, 2009 11:40:39 AM)
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
GIve Tallica credit, they won the award. They sell more cd's anyway.
| |
|
paorcamp wrote: |
| |
eh...what kind of priest fan could ever say something like that!!!??
are you ok???If priest didn't deserve it...why would metallica do!!??
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
| Lots of sour grapes in here. Maybe Priest didn't win because they just didn't deserve to. |
|
|
Edited at: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:52:51 PM |
|
|
| [Head banger] Monday, February 09, 2009 1:49:26 PM | |
|
it could be, who knows. we shouldnt asume we know what they want or are trying to do.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by paorcamp from Monday, February 09, 2009 1:47:14 PM)| | | paorcamp wrote: | | well...you may be right...but if they're doing what the industry wants them to do..then why aren't them taken into account???and if they are doing what the industry wants...then thank God is not as bad as metallica's task...and if what they want is to sell as much as metallica...they are doing it wrong...
| | | Head banger wrote: | | but, how do we know they are doing what they want? Turbo, was that a sell out? lots say so, I like it, but who am I. AOR was awesome, yet sold squat. is nost a gimick to sell more?
do they want to sell more? are they doing what they want, or what the industry wants? is selling out what they want? could they do some comercial crap? probably, but no one would buy it. they are known for doing what they do, not for "popular (read music lots of people like) music"
| | | paorcamp wrote: | | I see your point...I got it...but priest(after rob's return) kept doing whatever they wanted...you can see it with the last two albums....of course a band needs to sell their products...otherwise they would be unknown...and we fans would be disapointed and furious if we couldn't get their music....guitars and other stuff are not for free and they also need to eat...but metallica changed to a comercial band,they lost their identity...they lost that thing that made us like their music...and of course they turned their back to their real fans...on the other hand priest keeps trying new things, and nostradamus is a piece of evidence...for those who like it(i like it) and for those who don't
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I see. Well pao, win or lose, like or dislike, it is still about selling and making money. I admire your allegiance to Metal. I really do. Unfortunately, marketing and sales is what this whole show was about. Now then, on to your other post;
It is interesting that you would put it this way. ....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band.... As much as our dear friend Mr. Uno may take exception to what I am going to say, isn't that what Priest did with Ripper? They wanted to stay commercially viable and turned from what made them who they are/were. Jugulator is a great example. Not "Priest" sounding at all, as far as I am concerned. Very much like the grinding, crunchy "Nu-Metal" sound that is more commercial and sells more. They were trying to keep the cash coming in. Trying to remain relevant in the face of a HUGE change.
Of course, there are some that may point to Rob's return as a commercial gimmick. I can accept that. Say what you will but Priest, as with any other act, want to sell their records. That is what they do. It is how they make a living. For me, and most fans of the Band, Rob is what makes Priest. He is THE voice so I do not view his return as previously mentioned but I can see where some might make that connection. Anyway, it all comes down to selling the product. I don't think that Judas Priest are in a position at this stage of their career where they really need money..I mean gazillions. They certainly enjoy a comfortable lifestyle, I'm sure. I think Nostradamus is a good example of that. They did something they wanted to do, whether or not it is a commercial success. And I do not mean to insinuate that I do not like the album, because I do like it. I just believe that the Band has gone beyond the need for commercialism and so things like the Grammy award are nice but they won't really affect the Band's future.
| | | paorcamp wrote: | | NOOOO....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band....I won't give credit to a group who prefered fame and fortune over the real escence of music...sorry...but I can't...that's not selling more cd's by hardworking...that's selling more cd's because they left their roots and their true personality to do what the industry wants them to do...and that's something a real band would never do!!...that's not what made metallica famous...now they became shitallica...Who's the master of puppets now???huh???not you metallica...that's for sure!!! (Quoting Message by Numero Uno from Monday, February 09, 2009 11:40:39 AM)
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
GIve Tallica credit, they won the award. They sell more cd's anyway.
| |
|
paorcamp wrote: |
| |
eh...what kind of priest fan could ever say something like that!!!??
are you ok???If priest didn't deserve it...why would metallica do!!??
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
| Lots of sour grapes in here. Maybe Priest didn't win because they just didn't deserve to. |
|
|
Edited at: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:52:51 PM |
|
|
|
|
|
|
| [paorcamp] Monday, February 09, 2009 1:47:14 PM | |
|
well...you may be right...but if they're doing what the industry wants them to do..then why haven't them been taken into account???and if they are doing what the industry wants...then thank God is not as bad as metallica's task...and if what they want is to sell as much as metallica...they are doing it wrong... [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, February 09, 2009 1:31:01 PM)
| |
|
Head banger wrote: |
| |
but, how do we know they are doing what they want? Turbo, was that a sell out? lots say so, I like it, but who am I. AOR was awesome, yet sold squat. is nost a gimick to sell more?
do they want to sell more? are they doing what they want, or what the industry wants? is selling out what they want? could they do some comercial crap? probably, but no one would buy it. they are known for doing what they do, not for "popular (read music lots of people like) music"
| |
|
paorcamp wrote: |
| |
I see your point...I got it...but priest(after rob's return) kept doing whatever they wanted...you can see it with the last two albums....of course a band needs to sell their products...otherwise they would be unknown...and we fans would be disapointed and furious if we couldn't get their music....guitars and other stuff are not for free and they also need to eat...but metallica changed to a comercial band,they lost their identity...they lost that thing that made us like their music...and of course they turned their back to their real fans...on the other hand priest keeps trying new things, and nostradamus is a piece of evidence...for those who like it(i like it) and for those who don't
| |
|
Deep Freeze wrote: |
| |
I see. Well pao, win or lose, like or dislike, it is still about selling and making money. I admire your allegiance to Metal. I really do. Unfortunately, marketing and sales is what this whole show was about. Now then, on to your other post;
It is interesting that you would put it this way. ....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band.... As much as our dear friend Mr. Uno may take exception to what I am going to say, isn't that what Priest did with Ripper? They wanted to stay commercially viable and turned from what made them who they are/were. Jugulator is a great example. Not "Priest" sounding at all, as far as I am concerned. Very much like the grinding, crunchy "Nu-Metal" sound that is more commercial and sells more. They were trying to keep the cash coming in. Trying to remain relevant in the face of a HUGE change.
Of course, there are some that may point to Rob's return as a commercial gimmick. I can accept that. Say what you will but Priest, as with any other act, want to sell their records. That is what they do. It is how they make a living. For me, and most fans of the Band, Rob is what makes Priest. He is THE voice so I do not view his return as previously mentioned but I can see where some might make that connection. Anyway, it all comes down to selling the product. I don't think that Judas Priest are in a position at this stage of their career where they really need money..I mean gazillions. They certainly enjoy a comfortable lifestyle, I'm sure. I think Nostradamus is a good example of that. They did something they wanted to do, whether or not it is a commercial success. And I do not mean to insinuate that I do not like the album, because I do like it. I just believe that the Band has gone beyond the need for commercialism and so things like the Grammy award are nice but they won't really affect the Band's future.
| |
|
paorcamp wrote: |
| |
NOOOO....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band....I won't give credit to a group who prefered fame and fortune over the real escence of music...sorry...but I can't...that's not selling more cd's by hardworking...that's selling more cd's because they left their roots and their true personality to do what the industry wants them to do...and that's something a real band would never do!!...that's not what made metallica famous...now they became shitallica...Who's the master of puppets now???huh???not you metallica...that's for sure!!! (Quoting Message by Numero Uno from Monday, February 09, 2009 11:40:39 AM)
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
GIve Tallica credit, they won the award. They sell more cd's anyway.
| |
|
paorcamp wrote: |
| |
eh...what kind of priest fan could ever say something like that!!!??
are you ok???If priest didn't deserve it...why would metallica do!!??
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
| Lots of sour grapes in here. Maybe Priest didn't win because they just didn't deserve to. |
|
|
Edited at: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:52:51 PM |
|
|
|
Edited at: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:49:30 PM |
|
| [Head banger] Monday, February 09, 2009 1:31:01 PM | |
|
but, how do we know they are doing what they want? Turbo, was that a sell out? lots say so, I like it, but who am I. AOR was awesome, yet sold squat. is nost a gimick to sell more?
do they want to sell more? are they doing what they want, or what the industry wants? is selling out what they want? could they do some comercial crap? probably, but no one would buy it. they are known for doing what they do, not for "popular (read music lots of people like) music"
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by paorcamp from Monday, February 09, 2009 1:07:13 PM)| | | paorcamp wrote: | | I see your point...I got it...but priest(after rob's return) kept doing whatever they wanted...you can see it with the last two albums....of course a band needs to sell their products...otherwise they would be unknown...and we fans would be disapointed and furious if we couldn't get their music....guitars and other stuff are not for free and they also need to eat...but metallica changed to a comercial band,they lost their identity...they lost that thing that made us like their music...and of course they turned their back to their real fans...on the other hand priest keeps trying new things, and nostradamus is a piece of evidence...for those who like it(i like it) and for those who don't
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I see. Well pao, win or lose, like or dislike, it is still about selling and making money. I admire your allegiance to Metal. I really do. Unfortunately, marketing and sales is what this whole show was about. Now then, on to your other post;
It is interesting that you would put it this way. ....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band.... As much as our dear friend Mr. Uno may take exception to what I am going to say, isn't that what Priest did with Ripper? They wanted to stay commercially viable and turned from what made them who they are/were. Jugulator is a great example. Not "Priest" sounding at all, as far as I am concerned. Very much like the grinding, crunchy "Nu-Metal" sound that is more commercial and sells more. They were trying to keep the cash coming in. Trying to remain relevant in the face of a HUGE change.
Of course, there are some that may point to Rob's return as a commercial gimmick. I can accept that. Say what you will but Priest, as with any other act, want to sell their records. That is what they do. It is how they make a living. For me, and most fans of the Band, Rob is what makes Priest. He is THE voice so I do not view his return as previously mentioned but I can see where some might make that connection. Anyway, it all comes down to selling the product. I don't think that Judas Priest are in a position at this stage of their career where they really need money..I mean gazillions. They certainly enjoy a comfortable lifestyle, I'm sure. I think Nostradamus is a good example of that. They did something they wanted to do, whether or not it is a commercial success. And I do not mean to insinuate that I do not like the album, because I do like it. I just believe that the Band has gone beyond the need for commercialism and so things like the Grammy award are nice but they won't really affect the Band's future.
| | | paorcamp wrote: | | NOOOO....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band....I won't give credit to a group who prefered fame and fortune over the real escence of music...sorry...but I can't...that's not selling more cd's by hardworking...that's selling more cd's because they left their roots and their true personality to do what the industry wants them to do...and that's something a real band would never do!!...that's not what made metallica famous...now they became shitallica...Who's the master of puppets now???huh???not you metallica...that's for sure!!! (Quoting Message by Numero Uno from Monday, February 09, 2009 11:40:39 AM)
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
GIve Tallica credit, they won the award. They sell more cd's anyway.
| |
|
paorcamp wrote: |
| |
eh...what kind of priest fan could ever say something like that!!!??
are you ok???If priest didn't deserve it...why would metallica do!!??
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
| Lots of sour grapes in here. Maybe Priest didn't win because they just didn't deserve to. |
|
|
Edited at: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:52:51 PM |
|
|
|
|
| [paorcamp] Monday, February 09, 2009 1:07:13 PM | |
|
I see your point...I got it...but priest(after rob's return) kept doing whatever they wanted...you can see it with the last two albums....of course a band needs to sell their products...otherwise they would be unknown...and we fans would be disapointed and furious if we couldn't get their music....guitars and other stuff are not for free and they also need to eat...but metallica changed to a comercial band,they lost their identity...they lost that thing that made us like their music...and of course they turned their back to their real fans...on the other hand priest keeps trying new things, and nostradamus is a piece of evidence...for those who like it(i like it) and for those who don't
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, February 09, 2009 12:56:46 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I see. Well pao, win or lose, like or dislike, it is still about selling and making money. I admire your allegiance to Metal. I really do. Unfortunately, marketing and sales is what this whole show was about. Now then, on to your other post;
It is interesting that you would put it this way. ....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band.... As much as our dear friend Mr. Uno may take exception to what I am going to say, isn't that what Priest did with Ripper? They wanted to stay commercially viable and turned from what made them who they are/were. Jugulator is a great example. Not "Priest" sounding at all, as far as I am concerned. Very much like the grinding, crunchy "Nu-Metal" sound that is more commercial and sells more. They were trying to keep the cash coming in. Trying to remain relevant in the face of a HUGE change.
Of course, there are some that may point to Rob's return as a commercial gimmick. I can accept that. Say what you will but Priest, as with any other act, want to sell their records. That is what they do. It is how they make a living. For me, and most fans of the Band, Rob is what makes Priest. He is THE voice so I do not view his return as previously mentioned but I can see where some might make that connection. Anyway, it all comes down to selling the product. I don't think that Judas Priest are in a position at this stage of their career where they really need money..I mean gazillions. They certainly enjoy a comfortable lifestyle, I'm sure. I think Nostradamus is a good example of that. They did something they wanted to do, whether or not it is a commercial success. And I do not mean to insinuate that I do not like the album, because I do like it. I just believe that the Band has gone beyond the need for commercialism and so things like the Grammy award are nice but they won't really affect the Band's future.
| | | paorcamp wrote: | | NOOOO....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band....I won't give credit to a group who prefered fame and fortune over the real escence of music...sorry...but I can't...that's not selling more cd's by hardworking...that's selling more cd's because they left their roots and their true personality to do what the industry wants them to do...and that's something a real band would never do!!...that's not what made metallica famous...now they became shitallica...Who's the master of puppets now???huh???not you metallica...that's for sure!!! (Quoting Message by Numero Uno from Monday, February 09, 2009 11:40:39 AM)
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
GIve Tallica credit, they won the award. They sell more cd's anyway.
| |
|
paorcamp wrote: |
| |
eh...what kind of priest fan could ever say something like that!!!??
are you ok???If priest didn't deserve it...why would metallica do!!??
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
| Lots of sour grapes in here. Maybe Priest didn't win because they just didn't deserve to. |
|
|
Edited at: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:52:51 PM |
|
|
|
| [Deep Freeze] Monday, February 09, 2009 12:56:46 PM | |
|
I see. Well pao, win or lose, like or dislike, it is still about selling and making money. I admire your allegiance to Metal. I really do. Unfortunately, marketing and sales is what this whole show was about. Now then, on to your other post;
It is interesting that you would put it this way. ....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band.... As much as our dear friend Mr. Uno may take exception to what I am going to say, isn't that what Priest did with Ripper? They wanted to stay commercially viable and turned from what made them who they are/were. Jugulator is a great example. Not "Priest" sounding at all, as far as I am concerned. Very much like the grinding, crunchy "Nu-Metal" sound that is more commercial and sells more. They were trying to keep the cash coming in. Trying to remain relevant in the face of a HUGE change.
Of course, there are some that may point to Rob's return as a commercial gimmick. I can accept that. Say what you will but Priest, as with any other act, want to sell their records. That is what they do. It is how they make a living. For me, and most fans of the Band, Rob is what makes Priest. He is THE voice so I do not view his return as previously mentioned but I can see where some might make that connection. Anyway, it all comes down to selling the product. I don't think that Judas Priest are in a position at this stage of their career where they really need money..I mean gazillions. They certainly enjoy a comfortable lifestyle, I'm sure. I think Nostradamus is a good example of that. They did something they wanted to do, whether or not it is a commercial success. And I do not mean to insinuate that I do not like the album, because I do like it. I just believe that the Band has gone beyond the need for commercialism and so things like the Grammy award are nice but they won't really affect the Band's future.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by paorcamp from Monday, February 09, 2009 12:28:40 PM)| | | paorcamp wrote: | | NOOOO....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band....I won't give credit to a group who prefered fame and fortune over the real escence of music...sorry...but I can't...that's not selling more cd's by hardworking...that's selling more cd's because they left their roots and their true personality to do what the industry wants them to do...and that's something a real band would never do!!...that's not what made metallica famous...now they became shitallica...Who's the master of puppets now???huh???not you metallica...that's for sure!!! (Quoting Message by Numero Uno from Monday, February 09, 2009 11:40:39 AM)
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
GIve Tallica credit, they won the award. They sell more cd's anyway.
| |
|
paorcamp wrote: |
| |
eh...what kind of priest fan could ever say something like that!!!??
are you ok???If priest didn't deserve it...why would metallica do!!??
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
| Lots of sour grapes in here. Maybe Priest didn't win because they just didn't deserve to. |
|
|
Edited at: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:52:51 PM |
|
|
| [paorcamp] Monday, February 09, 2009 12:34:23 PM | |
|
DF...you're right....we're not complaining about winning or not the prize...we're doing it because we don't like the way it is...and metallica may be having more people during their public presentations...but those who go are not real metal-heads....they can't say they love heavy metal just because they went to a metallica's show...I'm not saying all of them,but most of them...because if you see even old metallica fans say that their band is lost....maybe forever...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, February 09, 2009 11:52:16 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well put, Soy. I have to agree there. It does not amount to much as far as we, the loyal fans, are concerned. I think HB hit it on the head, though. Marketing. I had really not considered it exactly the way he stated it, but he is correct. The Grammys, as with any "awards" show, is about selling the product. While Priest are certainly legendary, it is also true that they do not have the sizeable fanbase they had in the 80's. They are not going to help the record industry sell more product like a Metallica would. Very well said, HB.
Perhaps Uno is on to something as well? Maybe Priest did not "deserve" to win. Of course, we have to go back to exactly what it is that was at stake. Recognition? Maybe. Acknowledgement from peers? Possibly. Marketing power? Certainly. Metallica continue to draw a very large crowd when they play. Priest do not. At least not here in the US, from what I have seen. The Vegas show was OK.. maybe two or three thousand fans. The venue was small I admit, but we saw them in So Cal on the AoR tour and the Irvine venue had maybe five to eight thousand at most. Point is, they do not draw like they used to. Certainly not going to fill a large arena like they did in the "old" days.
My complaint is not really about Priest missing out on the award as it is the overall representation of the industry by complete nimrods. The Pop Music world has always been this way for me. The public sucks, plain and simple. People that buy this garbage are idiots. They would not know musical talent if it was drawn out and labeled for them. But it sells and industry officials go where the money is, no doubt. You may not care for old Clive, but that man is a friggin genius as far as marketing this crap. He has the kids by the short hairs and knows how to pull.
Edited at: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:58:10 AM |
|
|
| [paorcamp] Monday, February 09, 2009 12:28:40 PM | |
|
NOOOO....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band....I won't give credit to a group who prefered fame and fortune over the real escence of music...sorry...but I can't...that's not selling more cd's by hardworking...that's selling more cd's because they left their roots and their true personality to do what the industry wants them to do...and that's something a real band would never do!!...that's not what made metallica famous...now they became shitallica...Who's the master of puppets now???huh???not you metallica...that's for sure!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Numero Uno from Monday, February 09, 2009 11:40:39 AM)
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
GIve Tallica credit, they won the award. They sell more cd's anyway.
| |
|
paorcamp wrote: |
| |
eh...what kind of priest fan could ever say something like that!!!??
are you ok???If priest didn't deserve it...why would metallica do!!??
| |
|
Numero Uno wrote: |
| |
| Lots of sour grapes in here. Maybe Priest didn't win because they just didn't deserve to. |
|
|
Edited at: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:52:51 PM |
|
| [Deep Freeze] Monday, February 09, 2009 11:52:16 AM | |
|
Well put, Soy. I have to agree there. It does not amount to much as far as we, the loyal fans, are concerned. I think HB hit it on the head, though. Marketing. I had really not considered it exactly the way he stated it, but he is correct. The Grammys, as with any "awards" show, is about selling the product. While Priest are certainly legendary, it is also true that they do not have the sizeable fanbase they had in the 80's. They are not going to help the record industry sell more product like a Metallica would. Very well said, HB.
Perhaps Uno is on to something as well? Maybe Priest did not "deserve" to win. Of course, we have to go back to exactly what it is that was at stake. Recognition? Maybe. Acknowledgement from peers? Possibly. Marketing power? Certainly. Metallica continue to draw a very large crowd when they play. Priest do not. At least not here in the US, from what I have seen. The Vegas show was OK.. maybe two or three thousand fans. The venue was small I admit, but we saw them in So Cal on the AoR tour and the Irvine venue had maybe five to eight thousand at most. Point is, they do not draw like they used to. Certainly not going to fill a large arena like they did in the "old" days.
My complaint is not really about Priest missing out on the award as it is the overall representation of the industry by complete nimrods. The Pop Music world has always been this way for me. The public sucks, plain and simple. People that buy this garbage are idiots. They would not know musical talent if it was drawn out and labeled for them. But it sells and industry officials go where the money is, no doubt. You may not care for old Clive, but that man is a friggin genius as far as marketing this crap. He has the kids by the short hairs and knows how to pull.
Edited at: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:58:10 AM |
|
| [Cooper Ryback] Monday, February 09, 2009 11:40:39 AM | |
|
GIve Tallica credit, they won the award. They sell more cd's anyway.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by paorcamp from Monday, February 09, 2009 10:18:47 AM)| | | paorcamp wrote: | | eh...what kind of priest fan could ever say something like that!!!??
are you ok???If priest didn't deserve it...why would metallica do!!??
| | | Numero Uno wrote: | | | Lots of sour grapes in here. Maybe Priest didn't win because they just didn't deserve to. |
|
|
|
| [Soylentgreen4u] Monday, February 09, 2009 11:18:34 AM | |
|
DON'T QUITE GET ALL THE FUROR HERE OVER THE GRAMMYS....WHAT THE HELL DID MOST OF YOU EXPECT?...AS A PRIEST FAN SINCE '77,I COULD CARE LESS IF THEY WON ONE OF THOSE THINGYS...I'LL ALWAYS REMEMBER THE MIGHTY PRIEST FOR THE DEFENDERS TOUR...
SFV TOUR...'PAINKILLER' LIVE POUNDING ON OUR CHESTS...BRITISH STEEL...HELL BENT...THE
LEATHER...THE STUDS...THAT VOICE!!!!!!!!!...MEETING THEM FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE MID 80's...ALL THE GREAT METAL FANS I'VE MET OVER THE YEARS AT THE SHOWS...ROCKA ROLLA ON THROUGH...YEAH,LIKE I WAS HOPING I COULD TALK METAL MUSIC NEXT TIME WITH OTHER FANS AND SAY "I'M A PRIEST FAN BABY,AND THEY WON A GRAMMY SO THERE!".....I DON'T THINK SO!
WE'RE THEY EVEN THERE LAST NIGHT?..I'LL BET NOT,WHAT,THEY SENT TRAVIS TO SIT THROUGH THIS SHIT?...HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!....SMART MOVE BY THE VETS OF THE TEAM I SAY...DO ANY OF YOU REALLY THINK THEY CARE IF THEY WON?
JUDAS PRIEST IS SCREEEEEEEAMING METAL IN MY BOOKS...NOT HIPPITY,HOPPITY,I WON A GRAMMPY,GRIMMPY,GRAMMY.
NO GRAMMMPY ....OHH NOOOO....WHERE'S MY PAIN....PAIN...KILLERS...KILLERS...
CAN'T STOP THE 'PAINKILLER'.... ..... 
|
|
| [kitty12] Monday, February 09, 2009 10:52:44 AM | |
|
| I tried to watch the Grammys, and after a very short period of time, I couldn'take it any longer. Coldplay's Vida La whatever has been dubbed a "masterpiece." I guess I don't get it. I think it is terrible. I knew that JP was not going to win. It's the Grammys for pete's sake. There is just not a place for them on these kinds of award shows. It is based on what sold according to the Billboard Top 100. Or what store the artists/group decided to mainly sell out of. I did enjoy Paul MCartney w/ David Grole on drums and Radiohead w/ the USC band. Other than that I didn't see anything that kept me tuned in. |
|
| [paorcamp] Monday, February 09, 2009 10:21:56 AM | |
|
|
| [paorcamp] Monday, February 09, 2009 10:18:47 AM | |
|
eh...what kind of priest fan could ever say something like that!!!??
are you ok???If priest didn't deserve it...why would metallica do!!??
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Numero Uno from Monday, February 09, 2009 10:12:50 AM)| | | Numero Uno wrote: | | | Lots of sour grapes in here. Maybe Priest didn't win because they just didn't deserve to. |
|
|
| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Monday, February 09, 2009 10:16:31 AM | |
|
The meaning is that Judas Priest's Music speaks for itself!!!!!!!!!!!
Grammy or no-grammy....
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by paorcamp from Monday, February 09, 2009 10:09:32 AM)| | | paorcamp wrote: | | | maybe I don't get it...but I think that in the grammys both, music and words failed... |
|
|
| [Cooper Ryback] Monday, February 09, 2009 10:12:50 AM | |
|
| Lots of sour grapes in here. Maybe Priest didn't win because they just didn't deserve to. |
|
| [paorcamp] Monday, February 09, 2009 10:09:32 AM | |
|
| maybe I don't get it...but I think that in the grammys both, music and words failed... |
|
| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Monday, February 09, 2009 10:07:32 AM | |
|
ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS.......................ABOUT THE GRAMMYS
MG~
|
|
| [Head banger] Monday, February 09, 2009 9:54:21 AM | |
|
Perhaps too we should consider what the awards are for. They are realy a marketing tool. sell records. now where does the industry get the most bang for the award? not in metal, thats for sure. and within metal, priest isnt going to shift a ton of albums if they win. metalica, well they sell lots, so....
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, February 09, 2009 9:17:54 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Wow. I just spent the better part of twenty minutes back reading and I must say, there has not been this kind of activity in a long time. Interesting that it takes this type of event to bring out such an emotional reaction! I guess the Grammys are good for something!
I tried, I reall tried. I sat through the most excruciating 52 minutes of my life before I could stand no more..and that was just the "red carpet"!! I just could not watch the actual show, although I did tune in for a moment at the beginning. Saw Whitney stumble up and begin to babble and that is where I finally gave up. I just couldn't do it. Priest or no Priest.
It does not surprise me that our beloved boys were not winners. The longer I listened to the "artists" that tried to speak (in what language, I am not sure) the more I realized what the "industry" has become. I mean, it has never been a bastion of intellect, but clearly there is a severe lack of brain cells in music today. Of course, there is NO shortage of self-indugence and hype. Perhaps (as usual) it is a by-product of my age but I simply cannot sit and watch these evolutionarily-stifled beings mumble and bumble their way across the screen. Then there are the "hosts"...arrrrrggghhhh.
I cannot help but wonder; had Priest won, would there be as much bitterness or disdain for this show? I think , for our group at least, it may have softened an already terrible experience but I am almost sure we would still look at this for what it is; garbage. I do not understand the "voting" process, so I cannot comment on the who, but the what is obvious. There are people in music today that have NO business doing anything outside of washing cars or delivering something.
Anyway, I am really happy to see so much passion and excitement. All this activity proves we are still here and we are still viable!!
|
|
|
| [Everleigh] Monday, February 09, 2009 9:53:55 AM | |
|
| I am obviously in the minority here, but even though I was so disappointed that Priest was overlooked, I have to say... I really enjoyed the show itself. I thought Justin Timberlake with Al Green and Keith Urban was great, I loved seeing Radiohead with the USC Marching Band, and well, Paul Mc Cartney, and then... Robert Plant and ALlison Kraus. Of COURSE it is a huge popularity contest and marketing game. I agree that Robert Plant should have been honored YEARS ago. but stil, it was pretty entertaining. I am not a fan of rap, so I kind of ignored all that, but otherwise, I liked the show. |
|
| [paorcamp] Monday, February 09, 2009 9:53:19 AM | |
|
that's what the song says:
It's easy to go along with the crowd,
And find later on that your say ain't allowed
Oh that's the way to find what you've been missing
I say...Fuck metallica...and the industry...they know nothing...they are nothing and they can prove nothing!!! |
|
| [Deep Freeze] Monday, February 09, 2009 9:17:54 AM | |
|
Wow. I just spent the better part of twenty minutes back reading and I must say, there has not been this kind of activity in a long time. Interesting that it takes this type of event to bring out such an emotional reaction! I guess the Grammys are good for something!
I tried, I reall tried. I sat through the most excruciating 52 minutes of my life before I could stand no more..and that was just the "red carpet"!! I just could not watch the actual show, although I did tune in for a moment at the beginning. Saw Whitney stumble up and begin to babble and that is where I finally gave up. I just couldn't do it. Priest or no Priest.
It does not surprise me that our beloved boys were not winners. The longer I listened to the "artists" that tried to speak (in what language, I am not sure) the more I realized what the "industry" has become. I mean, it has never been a bastion of intellect, but clearly there is a severe lack of brain cells in music today. Of course, there is NO shortage of self-indugence and hype. Perhaps (as usual) it is a by-product of my age but I simply cannot sit and watch these evolutionarily-stifled beings mumble and bumble their way across the screen. Then there are the "hosts"...arrrrrggghhhh.
I cannot help but wonder; had Priest won, would there be as much bitterness or disdain for this show? I think , for our group at least, it may have softened an already terrible experience but I am almost sure we would still look at this for what it is; garbage. I do not understand the "voting" process, so I cannot comment on the who, but the what is obvious. There are people in music today that have NO business doing anything outside of washing cars or delivering something.
Anyway, I am really happy to see so much passion and excitement. All this activity proves we are still here and we are still viable!!
|
|
| [Head banger] Monday, February 09, 2009 7:11:47 AM | |
|
your right. the Grammy's are crap, but as you said any press is good press. the masses who watch that crap have never heard of priest, but if one of them picks up the CD and likes it, thats progress. and if it reminds one or two people who have forgoten them, again, its progress.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Justin Kenny from Monday, February 09, 2009 5:24:39 AM)| | | Justin Kenny wrote: | | Well...even though it's quite painfully obvious Priest didn't walk away with anything from the Grammy's last night...one thing's for got-damn sure....MILLIONS of people became abundantly aware that Priest were NOMINATED....the album and the songs were mentioned....so....as a result, however direct or indirect; people around the country (and anywhere else this show was broadcast) are also aware that Priest are STILL a band....highly functional and existent....whether or not this'll boost their stakes any outside of the Grammy award show remains to be seen, of course...but....it's PRESS.
Besides....to receive 2 nominations for an album that better than a handful deem a 'flop' is also among the greater middle fingers given as well. 
I'm also proud to say I FINALLY acquired my official copy of "NOSTRADAMUS" over the weekend. I maintain as always....Priest have NOTHING to be ashamed of.....this fucker's a MASTERPIECE!!!! WHAT AN ALBUM!!!! WHAT AN EPIC!!!!
I give it : However late in the game my review may be... |
|
|
| [Bev] Monday, February 09, 2009 5:57:03 AM | |
|
Justin, Thanks so much for that! You have made this woman incredibly happy! That's all I ever wanted to have happen .. I went to bed. Didn't know for sure, and assumed, based on what folks wrote here, that there wasn't even a mention. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I am incredibly happy right now ... 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Justin Kenny from Monday, February 09, 2009 5:24:39 AM)| | | Justin Kenny wrote: | | Well...even though it's quite painfully obvious Priest didn't walk away with anything from the Grammy's last night...one thing's for got-damn sure....MILLIONS of people became abundantly aware that Priest were NOMINATED....the album and the songs were mentioned....so....as a result, however direct or indirect; people around the country (and anywhere else this show was broadcast) are also aware that Priest are STILL a band....highly functional and existent....whether or not this'll boost their stakes any outside of the Grammy award show remains to be seen, of course...but....it's PRESS.
Besides....to receive 2 nominations for an album that better than a handful deem a 'flop' is also among the greater middle fingers given as well.
I'm also proud to say I FINALLY acquired my official copy of "NOSTRADAMUS" over the weekend. I maintain as always....Priest have NOTHING to be ashamed of.....this fucker's a MASTERPIECE!!!! WHAT AN ALBUM!!!! WHAT AN EPIC!!!!
I give it : However late in the game my review may be... |
|
|
| [Justin Kenny] Monday, February 09, 2009 5:24:39 AM | |
|
Well...even though it's quite painfully obvious Priest didn't walk away with anything from the Grammy's last night...one thing's for got-damn sure....MILLIONS of people became abundantly aware that Priest were NOMINATED....the album and the songs were mentioned....so....as a result, however direct or indirect; people around the country (and anywhere else this show was broadcast) are also aware that Priest are STILL a band....highly functional and existent....whether or not this'll boost their stakes any outside of the Grammy award show remains to be seen, of course...but....it's PRESS.
Besides....to receive 2 nominations for an album that better than a handful deem a 'flop' is also among the greater middle fingers given as well.
I'm also proud to say I FINALLY acquired my official copy of "NOSTRADAMUS" over the weekend. I maintain as always....Priest have NOTHING to be ashamed of.....this fucker's a MASTERPIECE!!!! WHAT AN ALBUM!!!! WHAT AN EPIC!!!!
I give it : However late in the game my review may be... |
|
| [Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Monday, February 09, 2009 4:56:15 AM | |
|
Death Magnetic is at best, average. |
|
| [Bev] Monday, February 09, 2009 4:53:31 AM | |
|
I like parts of Death Magnetic. Not a Metallica purest, so I can see where St. Anger pissed a lot of people off. Don't think I'll condemn them 'cause they got an award Priest could give two shakes about anyway.
Priest does RULE! And should have at least been mentioned; although, I'm thinking logistically, with alot of bands touring, not many metal bands could, or would, interrupt their schedule to be there ... LOL The no mention bit really has my blood boiling. WTF?!?!
I'm off to make breakfast.
Keep it REAL here in the land of the MetalGods ... |
|
| [Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Monday, February 09, 2009 4:45:44 AM | |
|
Morning all...Priest rules! F-Metallica...They should rename "Death Magnetic" to "Fucking Piece of Shit". Kill 'Em All! Somewhere, Cliff Burton is spinning in his grave. This is why I hate watching TV.
Oh, speaking of crappy TV...did anyone watch that half-hour 60 Minutes fluff piece on the Flight 1549 crew??? The lady interviewing them was GOD-FREAKING-AWFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They've become played out to the maximum now. Next feel-good story please! |
|
| [Bev] Monday, February 09, 2009 4:35:31 AM | |
|
LOL ... Vail, I'm glad you posted the reminder. If you hadn't, I might have missed part of one of the weirdest nights on television!
I went to the grammy site, about 45 minutes to showtime (by my clock anyway). Once there I went to the "list of nominees". Scrolling down the list I noticed little Grammy icons beside some of the nominee names ... hmm? Didn't think anything about it really. I could have stumbled onto one of the "prediction" pages. Yeah, right. Then reading an article about Grammys blunders, or something-or-other, there in black and white was a comment about awards Grammy would not live down, including awarding JethroTull the first HardRock/Metal award, and MilliVanillie best new artist - LOL Then the show starts! WooHoo!!! U2 finishes their number and the first presenter is announced .... WHITNEY HOUSTON!!!!! 3 times during her "speech" I remember saying, "Have another drink, Whitney. Just shutup and present the award" She couldn't just announce the winner, could she. No. She had to acknowledge Clive, her Daddy, Davis! Mara, what kind of control does this wee little man really weild in the grand scheme of things. I think I wanna sit next to him at the next event ... HA! The winner in the category Whitney presented was Jennifer Hudson?! Al Green was also in that category. Clearly it was a sympathy honor. Following that presentation, during the next commercial, I went back to check the list, and was sooooooo disappointed. I mean really. If yo uoneed to post the winners in advance for the press, use a secure password page. Idiots! I went to bed.
Looks like politics is alive and well in the US music industry.
This was worse than a joke. It was like watching the twilight zone ... imagine if you will |
|
| [_strat_] Monday, February 09, 2009 1:39:26 AM | |
|
Well... I might as well join the post mortum. Didnt watch the Grammies - too late in our timezone - but I looked up the results right now. Well... I was seriously hoping that if JP doesnt get shit, at least a decent band like Dragonforce would. Yeah, right. If a non-metal person thinks of metal, what do they think of first? Metallica, thats what. "Ooooooh! Metallica! Thats so metal! It says so in their name!" And the results are a confirmation of that...
But, on the bright side... Plant got something, as did Springsteen and Satriani, so I guess that those that voted for them can be spared from the firing squad. As for the rest... Fire away. |
|
| [Vaillant 3.0] Monday, February 09, 2009 1:16:43 AM | |
|
Just watched the Grammys...what a load of shit that was...  I apologize for trying to remind everyone...I didn't think it was going to be that bad.
Ahhh, ef it... Grammy award or not...Judas Priest are the winners in my eyes!! All three of those eyes!!!!!!!  |
|
| [icecreamman] Sunday, February 08, 2009 11:14:55 PM | |
|
| With the so called "artist" who recieved a grammy tonight, I am kind of glad Priest is not included in that crowd. |
|
| [Jeanine] Sunday, February 08, 2009 11:07:10 PM | |
|
     
I can honestly say I don't think I have ever used these smilies before. The Grammy's are an utter load of crap. I actually think they are out to destroy true rock music. Coldplay is a rock group? since when? Has Led Zeppelin ever won a Grammy? Maybe they have. If not, it took Robert Plant hooking up with Allison Krause to get him a Grammy? WTF?? Metallica? and to think we were ALL upset when Jethro Tull won the first time Metal was introduced to the Grammy's. Let's talk, whoever votes for this thing, knows nothing about music. Best Polka? Jimmy Sturr? Again? Come on, is this the only polka band they know of? How about The Polka Family? or Eddie Blazoncyk? |
|
| [icecreamman] Sunday, February 08, 2009 11:00:23 PM | |
|
|
| [spapad] Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:50:16 PM | |
|
I'm so pissed I stayed up to not only find out I would NOT find out JP's standing, but for the whole catagory to get blown off!!! Makes me want to "Pop a Cap in Miley's Ass! 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:37:55 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Glad I wasn't the only one! Didn't hear their name ONCE!!! WTF?!?
| | | spapad wrote: | | Sorry, just watched the whole miserable thing and unless it happended on a bathroom break, I never heard JP's name not one time. I will boycott this shit from now on.
| | | devils_child wrote: | | *taps nose*..... Gotcha 
| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | SHHHHHHHH...WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN A FRONT ....THERE ARE EVIL FORCES LURKING ABOUT,
THAT WOULD TRY TO CENSOR US....LIKE REPUBLICANS FOR EXAMPLE,SOME OF THEM ARE QUITE DIM YOU KNOW...
| | | devils_child wrote: | | I thought you liked it when i talk dirty...... 
| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | LANGUAGE!!!!!...YOU GO TO YOUR ROOM!...NOW!!!!!!!....OH, AND LEAVE THE BLINDS OPEN!...
| | | devils_child wrote: | | All i know is that most people who listen to "Kings of Leon" are self rightous, pretentious twats..... Usually the products of rich families, more over the dimwits i used to go to uni with..... Life is one big fashion parade for them.... GAH!!!
| | | adrianaec_88 wrote: | | their nomination was "Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocals" and "Sex on Fire" – Kings of Leon won, who the f* are they anyway?
| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | Nothing for Ac/Dc???? Good Grief....
| | | adrianaec_88 wrote: | | for those that still don't know what happened
Best Hard Rock Performance: Wax Simulacra - The Mars Volta
Best Metal Performance: My Apocalypse - Metallica
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| [guidogodoy] Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:37:55 PM | |
|
Glad I wasn't the only one! Didn't hear their name ONCE!!! WTF?!?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:33:33 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | Sorry, just watched the whole miserable thing and unless it happended on a bathroom break, I never heard JP's name not one time. I will boycott this shit from now on.
| | | devils_child wrote: | | *taps nose*..... Gotcha
| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | SHHHHHHHH...WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN A FRONT....THERE ARE EVIL FORCES LURKING ABOUT,
THAT WOULD TRY TO CENSOR US....LIKE REPUBLICANS FOR EXAMPLE,SOME OF THEM ARE QUITE DIM YOU KNOW...
| | | devils_child wrote: | | I thought you liked it when i talk dirty......
| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | LANGUAGE!!!!!...YOU GO TO YOUR ROOM!...NOW!!!!!!!....OH, AND LEAVE THE BLINDS OPEN!...
| | | devils_child wrote: | | All i know is that most people who listen to "Kings of Leon" are self rightous, pretentious twats..... Usually the products of rich families, more over the dimwits i used to go to uni with..... Life is one big fashion parade for them.... GAH!!!
| | | adrianaec_88 wrote: | | their nomination was "Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocals" and "Sex on Fire" – Kings of Leon won, who the f* are they anyway?
| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | Nothing for Ac/Dc???? Good Grief....
| | | adrianaec_88 wrote: | | for those that still don't know what happened
Best Hard Rock Performance: Wax Simulacra - The Mars Volta
Best Metal Performance: My Apocalypse - Metallica
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| [spapad] Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:33:33 PM | |
|
Sorry, just watched the whole miserable thing and unless it happended on a bathroom break, I never heard JP's name not one time. I will boycott this shit from now on.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by devils_child from Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:26:50 PM)| | | devils_child wrote: | | *taps nose*..... Gotcha
| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | SHHHHHHHH...WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN A FRONT....THERE ARE EVIL FORCES LURKING ABOUT,
THAT WOULD TRY TO CENSOR US....LIKE REPUBLICANS FOR EXAMPLE,SOME OF THEM ARE QUITE DIM YOU KNOW...
| | | devils_child wrote: | | I thought you liked it when i talk dirty......
| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | LANGUAGE!!!!!...YOU GO TO YOUR ROOM!...NOW!!!!!!!....OH, AND LEAVE THE BLINDS OPEN!...
| | | devils_child wrote: | | All i know is that most people who listen to "Kings of Leon" are self rightous, pretentious twats..... Usually the products of rich families, more over the dimwits i used to go to uni with..... Life is one big fashion parade for them.... GAH!!!
| | | adrianaec_88 wrote: | | their nomination was "Best Rock Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocals" and "Sex on Fire" – Kings of Leon won, who the f* are they anyway?
| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | Nothing for Ac/Dc???? Good Grief....
| | | adrianaec_88 wrote: | | for those that still don't know what happened
Best Hard Rock Performance: Wax Simulacra - The Mars Volta
Best Metal Performance: My Apocalypse - Metallica
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| [paorcamp] Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:30:42 PM | |
|
I won't be silent!!! you can't shut me up!!!! aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh |
|
....got it 