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| [Becks] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:46:18 PM | |
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| Germany just scored an excellent goal - 1-0 in that game now. |
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| [ron h] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:20:26 PM | |
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Be careful what you wish for Strat, you just might get it lol. We're not great by any means, but we're not bad either. We haven't come close to playing our best yet, and we're undefeated. We've also been lucky.
The off-sides we complain about should be tempered by the fact that if we don't catch a lucky goal against ENG, our tourney would be over even with today's win.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:12:08 PM)| |  | _strat_ wrote: | | Im rooting that Serbia finishes second in this group - that way they get the US. No better motivation than I can think of.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Ah bugger, Serbia just scored but it was offside. Oh well, try again LOL!
It'll be interesting once this mornings matches are over, to see who is playing the US and England in the group of 16.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Mhm - it would be good if you could beat Paraguay with a big difference, and then for Slovakia to beat Italy with a big difference... Odds are against it, but it can happen, and I hope it does.
Damn, Im sick of this combinations... I cant wait for the knock-out phase.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Yeah I was just looking at the table, a whole bunch of scenarios could happen this morning. I'm just looking forward to 2am tomorrow morning NZ time - NZ vs Paraguay! If we win, we're through! Who would have thought, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, yeah, I kinda like German playing, and I usualy root for them... But as it is now, Serbia might need a German defeat, if they dont win against Australia... So...
| | | Becks wrote: | | Quiet you!  LOL!!! Not entirely sure why I support Germany to be honest, I just have since they got to the final of the world cup without conceding a goal.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I beg to differ - go Ghana!
| | | Becks wrote: | | Ghana just about scored a second ago but a German defender got rid of the ball. Not too exciting so far. I juts hope Germany win! LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hows the Ghana - Germany match? Im onlx watching the Serbs here.
| | | Becks wrote: | | | I'm currently watching Australia vs Serbia, on one channel, and Germany vs Ghana on the other, LOL! |
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| [Becks] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:16:17 PM | |
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Well 0-0 for both games at half time. Hope there's some more exciting football in the next 45 minutes! LOL!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:12:08 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Im rooting that Serbia finishes second in this group - that way they get the US. No better motivation than I can think of.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Ah bugger, Serbia just scored but it was offside. Oh well, try again LOL!
It'll be interesting once this mornings matches are over, to see who is playing the US and England in the group of 16.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Mhm - it would be good if you could beat Paraguay with a big difference, and then for Slovakia to beat Italy with a big difference... Odds are against it, but it can happen, and I hope it does.
Damn, Im sick of this combinations... I cant wait for the knock-out phase.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Yeah I was just looking at the table, a whole bunch of scenarios could happen this morning. I'm just looking forward to 2am tomorrow morning NZ time - NZ vs Paraguay! If we win, we're through! Who would have thought, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, yeah, I kinda like German playing, and I usualy root for them... But as it is now, Serbia might need a German defeat, if they dont win against Australia... So...
| | | Becks wrote: | | Quiet you! LOL!!! Not entirely sure why I support Germany to be honest, I just have since they got to the final of the world cup without conceding a goal.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I beg to differ - go Ghana!
| | | Becks wrote: | | Ghana just about scored a second ago but a German defender got rid of the ball. Not too exciting so far. I juts hope Germany win! LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hows the Ghana - Germany match? Im onlx watching the Serbs here.
| | | Becks wrote: | | | I'm currently watching Australia vs Serbia, on one channel, and Germany vs Ghana on the other, LOL! |
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| [_strat_] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:12:08 PM | |
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Im rooting that Serbia finishes second in this group - that way they get the US. No better motivation than I can think of.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:07:54 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | Ah bugger, Serbia just scored but it was offside. Oh well, try again LOL!
It'll be interesting once this mornings matches are over, to see who is playing the US and England in the group of 16.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Mhm - it would be good if you could beat Paraguay with a big difference, and then for Slovakia to beat Italy with a big difference... Odds are against it, but it can happen, and I hope it does.
Damn, Im sick of this combinations... I cant wait for the knock-out phase.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Yeah I was just looking at the table, a whole bunch of scenarios could happen this morning. I'm just looking forward to 2am tomorrow morning NZ time - NZ vs Paraguay! If we win, we're through! Who would have thought, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, yeah, I kinda like German playing, and I usualy root for them... But as it is now, Serbia might need a German defeat, if they dont win against Australia... So...
| | | Becks wrote: | | Quiet you! LOL!!! Not entirely sure why I support Germany to be honest, I just have since they got to the final of the world cup without conceding a goal.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I beg to differ - go Ghana!
| | | Becks wrote: | | Ghana just about scored a second ago but a German defender got rid of the ball. Not too exciting so far. I juts hope Germany win! LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hows the Ghana - Germany match? Im onlx watching the Serbs here.
| | | Becks wrote: | | | I'm currently watching Australia vs Serbia, on one channel, and Germany vs Ghana on the other, LOL! |
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| [_strat_] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:08:15 PM | |
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Refs never call games of their own countries.
There are two assistant refs on the sides, that see very well any offsides, and they usualy inform the main ref about them.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:03:25 PM)| | | ron h wrote: | | I tend to like the human element with regards to officiating, no matter the sport. I think we've all been on both sides of a bad call and it's weird because we only complain when it goes against us, yet cheer when we get lucky.
ALL of these off-sides calls are pure judgement calls as the action is fast and they have to make calls in a split-second. We fans watching on the TV really only know after seeing the slow-motion replay. 'Off-sides' seems to be the big difference maker this year, for a number of teams and not just the U.S. Although that sucks, there's been triple as many shots on goal going off the bar instead of in the net, I'm more concerned about that!!
I tend to think the sport needs better traing, maybe more ref's on the field or ref's not calling games of their own home countries (maybe that's a rule that's already in place, I don't know). What I do know is that if the U.S. made the goals they should have throughout the tournament, today would not have been so critical a match. |
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| [Becks] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:07:54 PM | |
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Ah bugger, Serbia just scored but it was offside. Oh well, try again LOL!
It'll be interesting once this mornings matches are over, to see who is playing the US and England in the group of 16.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:06:05 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Mhm - it would be good if you could beat Paraguay with a big difference, and then for Slovakia to beat Italy with a big difference... Odds are against it, but it can happen, and I hope it does.
Damn, Im sick of this combinations... I cant wait for the knock-out phase.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Yeah I was just looking at the table, a whole bunch of scenarios could happen this morning. I'm just looking forward to 2am tomorrow morning NZ time - NZ vs Paraguay! If we win, we're through! Who would have thought, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, yeah, I kinda like German playing, and I usualy root for them... But as it is now, Serbia might need a German defeat, if they dont win against Australia... So...
| | | Becks wrote: | | Quiet you! LOL!!! Not entirely sure why I support Germany to be honest, I just have since they got to the final of the world cup without conceding a goal.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I beg to differ - go Ghana!
| | | Becks wrote: | | Ghana just about scored a second ago but a German defender got rid of the ball. Not too exciting so far. I juts hope Germany win! LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hows the Ghana - Germany match? Im onlx watching the Serbs here.
| | | Becks wrote: | | | I'm currently watching Australia vs Serbia, on one channel, and Germany vs Ghana on the other, LOL! |
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| [_strat_] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:06:05 PM | |
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Mhm - it would be good if you could beat Paraguay with a big difference, and then for Slovakia to beat Italy with a big difference... Odds are against it, but it can happen, and I hope it does.
Damn, Im sick of this combinations... I cant wait for the knock-out phase.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:02:46 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | Yeah I was just looking at the table, a whole bunch of scenarios could happen this morning. I'm just looking forward to 2am tomorrow morning NZ time - NZ vs Paraguay! If we win, we're through! Who would have thought, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, yeah, I kinda like German playing, and I usualy root for them... But as it is now, Serbia might need a German defeat, if they dont win against Australia... So...
| | | Becks wrote: | | Quiet you! LOL!!! Not entirely sure why I support Germany to be honest, I just have since they got to the final of the world cup without conceding a goal.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I beg to differ - go Ghana!
| | | Becks wrote: | | Ghana just about scored a second ago but a German defender got rid of the ball. Not too exciting so far. I juts hope Germany win! LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hows the Ghana - Germany match? Im onlx watching the Serbs here.
| | | Becks wrote: | | | I'm currently watching Australia vs Serbia, on one channel, and Germany vs Ghana on the other, LOL! |
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| [ron h] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:03:25 PM | |
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I tend to like the human element with regards to officiating, no matter the sport. I think we've all been on both sides of a bad call and it's weird because we only complain when it goes against us, yet cheer when we get lucky.
ALL of these off-sides calls are pure judgement calls as the action is fast and they have to make calls in a split-second. We fans watching on the TV really only know after seeing the slow-motion replay. 'Off-sides' seems to be the big difference maker this year, for a number of teams and not just the U.S. Although that sucks, there's been triple as many shots on goal going off the bar instead of in the net, I'm more concerned about that!!
I tend to think the sport needs better traing, maybe more ref's on the field or ref's not calling games of their own home countries (maybe that's a rule that's already in place, I don't know). What I do know is that if the U.S. made the goals they should have throughout the tournament, today would not have been so critical a match. |
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| [Becks] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:02:46 PM | |
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Yeah I was just looking at the table, a whole bunch of scenarios could happen this morning. I'm just looking forward to 2am tomorrow morning NZ time - NZ vs Paraguay! If we win, we're through! Who would have thought, LOL!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:00:47 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, yeah, I kinda like German playing, and I usualy root for them... But as it is now, Serbia might need a German defeat, if they dont win against Australia... So...
| | | Becks wrote: | | Quiet you! LOL!!! Not entirely sure why I support Germany to be honest, I just have since they got to the final of the world cup without conceding a goal.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I beg to differ - go Ghana!
| | | Becks wrote: | | Ghana just about scored a second ago but a German defender got rid of the ball. Not too exciting so far. I juts hope Germany win! LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hows the Ghana - Germany match? Im onlx watching the Serbs here.
| | | Becks wrote: | | | I'm currently watching Australia vs Serbia, on one channel, and Germany vs Ghana on the other, LOL! |
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| [_strat_] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:00:47 PM | |
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Well, yeah, I kinda like German playing, and I usualy root for them... But as it is now, Serbia might need a German defeat, if they dont win against Australia... So...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:58:59 AM)| | | Becks wrote: | | Quiet you! LOL!!! Not entirely sure why I support Germany to be honest, I just have since they got to the final of the world cup without conceding a goal.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I beg to differ - go Ghana!
| | | Becks wrote: | | Ghana just about scored a second ago but a German defender got rid of the ball. Not too exciting so far. I juts hope Germany win! LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hows the Ghana - Germany match? Im onlx watching the Serbs here.
| | | Becks wrote: | | | I'm currently watching Australia vs Serbia, on one channel, and Germany vs Ghana on the other, LOL! |
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| [Becks] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:58:59 AM | |
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Quiet you! LOL!!! Not entirely sure why I support Germany to be honest, I just have since they got to the final of the world cup without conceding a goal.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:56:47 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I beg to differ - go Ghana!
| | | Becks wrote: | | Ghana just about scored a second ago but a German defender got rid of the ball. Not too exciting so far. I juts hope Germany win! LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hows the Ghana - Germany match? Im onlx watching the Serbs here.
| | | Becks wrote: | | | I'm currently watching Australia vs Serbia, on one channel, and Germany vs Ghana on the other, LOL! |
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| [_strat_] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:56:47 AM | |
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I beg to differ - go Ghana!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:55:51 AM)| | | Becks wrote: | | Ghana just about scored a second ago but a German defender got rid of the ball. Not too exciting so far. I juts hope Germany win! LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hows the Ghana - Germany match? Im onlx watching the Serbs here.
| | | Becks wrote: | | | I'm currently watching Australia vs Serbia, on one channel, and Germany vs Ghana on the other, LOL! |
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| [Becks] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:55:51 AM | |
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Ghana just about scored a second ago but a German defender got rid of the ball. Not too exciting so far. I juts hope Germany win! LOL!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:49:55 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hows the Ghana - Germany match? Im onlx watching the Serbs here.
| | | Becks wrote: | | | I'm currently watching Australia vs Serbia, on one channel, and Germany vs Ghana on the other, LOL! |
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| [_strat_] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:49:55 AM | |
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Hows the Ghana - Germany match? Im onlx watching the Serbs here.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:46:26 AM)| | | Becks wrote: | | | I'm currently watching Australia vs Serbia, on one channel, and Germany vs Ghana on the other, LOL! |
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| [Becks] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:46:26 AM | |
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| I'm currently watching Australia vs Serbia, on one channel, and Germany vs Ghana on the other, LOL! |
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| [_strat_] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:44:34 AM | |
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Are you afraid that we might gang up on you?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:43:20 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | You two are getting dangerously close to agreeing here.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | The thing is that sometimes, those "mistakes" are not mistakes. It happens sometimes that a referee is genuinely biased, and can screw up a team. As I said, in football, a referee is a powerfull figure.
That said, no I dont get ESPN (whatever that is), I watch the games on our national television - where the commentators have a lot to say about referees too. Now, we lost today 1-0 to England, and guess who the first scapegoat is? The referee.
Personaly, I think that all this bitching about referees is just talk of sore losers, or in case of the US (which now isnt a loser - yet), they were already preparing to have a scapegoat in case they did lose. IDK - I say that we all know more or less what the rules are, and we can make our own opinions about the referees and their decisions. Yeah, there were tournaments in the past where referees were bad, but this one is nothing compared to those.
As for doing something about it... Well, I daresay there is no need. Fans will just have to accept that most of the times referees are not to blame. Sometimes they are, but usualy not.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | As I have mentioned in the past, I do NOT believe that blaming an official is EVER acceptable! Even if they DO make a mistake (which they do). The thing is, there is a remarkable abundance of discussion here on American TV regarding the poor officiating. I am watching ESPN and I assume that is what you all get over there as well? If so, I should think you would notice it also? It is rather annoying.
There are mistakes made by players, coaches AND officials. It happens. It is part of the "human element" I have mentioned. It just seems that poor officiating is the MAIN topic of discussion everyday! I mean, this must be a real problem with the game because they refer consistently to previous Cup matches and they go on and on about poor calls. If this is such an issue, implement "instant replay"! Jeez! They just go on and on about the officials. I was watching the US game this morning and the ref "disallowed" a goal which set off yet ANOTHER barrage of complaining about the officials. Replace them. Shoot them. Do SOMETHING! If it is so bad that it continues to be the biggest news in the tournament, DO something about it.
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:43:20 AM | |
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You two are getting dangerously close to agreeing here.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:25:41 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | The thing is that sometimes, those "mistakes" are not mistakes. It happens sometimes that a referee is genuinely biased, and can screw up a team. As I said, in football, a referee is a powerfull figure.
That said, no I dont get ESPN (whatever that is), I watch the games on our national television - where the commentators have a lot to say about referees too. Now, we lost today 1-0 to England, and guess who the first scapegoat is? The referee.
Personaly, I think that all this bitching about referees is just talk of sore losers, or in case of the US (which now isnt a loser - yet), they were already preparing to have a scapegoat in case they did lose. IDK - I say that we all know more or less what the rules are, and we can make our own opinions about the referees and their decisions. Yeah, there were tournaments in the past where referees were bad, but this one is nothing compared to those.
As for doing something about it... Well, I daresay there is no need. Fans will just have to accept that most of the times referees are not to blame. Sometimes they are, but usualy not.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | As I have mentioned in the past, I do NOT believe that blaming an official is EVER acceptable! Even if they DO make a mistake (which they do). The thing is, there is a remarkable abundance of discussion here on American TV regarding the poor officiating. I am watching ESPN and I assume that is what you all get over there as well? If so, I should think you would notice it also? It is rather annoying.
There are mistakes made by players, coaches AND officials. It happens. It is part of the "human element" I have mentioned. It just seems that poor officiating is the MAIN topic of discussion everyday! I mean, this must be a real problem with the game because they refer consistently to previous Cup matches and they go on and on about poor calls. If this is such an issue, implement "instant replay"! Jeez! They just go on and on about the officials. I was watching the US game this morning and the ref "disallowed" a goal which set off yet ANOTHER barrage of complaining about the officials. Replace them. Shoot them. Do SOMETHING! If it is so bad that it continues to be the biggest news in the tournament, DO something about it.
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| [_strat_] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:25:41 AM | |
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The thing is that sometimes, those "mistakes" are not mistakes. It happens sometimes that a referee is genuinely biased, and can screw up a team. As I said, in football, a referee is a powerfull figure.
That said, no I dont get ESPN (whatever that is), I watch the games on our national television - where the commentators have a lot to say about referees too. Now, we lost today 1-0 to England, and guess who the first scapegoat is? The referee.
Personaly, I think that all this bitching about referees is just talk of sore losers, or in case of the US (which now isnt a loser - yet), they were already preparing to have a scapegoat in case they did lose. IDK - I say that we all know more or less what the rules are, and we can make our own opinions about the referees and their decisions. Yeah, there were tournaments in the past where referees were bad, but this one is nothing compared to those.
As for doing something about it... Well, I daresay there is no need. Fans will just have to accept that most of the times referees are not to blame. Sometimes they are, but usualy not.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:16:16 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | As I have mentioned in the past, I do NOT believe that blaming an official is EVER acceptable! Even if they DO make a mistake (which they do). The thing is, there is a remarkable abundance of discussion here on American TV regarding the poor officiating. I am watching ESPN and I assume that is what you all get over there as well? If so, I should think you would notice it also? It is rather annoying.
There are mistakes made by players, coaches AND officials. It happens. It is part of the "human element" I have mentioned. It just seems that poor officiating is the MAIN topic of discussion everyday! I mean, this must be a real problem with the game because they refer consistently to previous Cup matches and they go on and on about poor calls. If this is such an issue, implement "instant replay"! Jeez! They just go on and on about the officials. I was watching the US game this morning and the ref "disallowed" a goal which set off yet ANOTHER barrage of complaining about the officials. Replace them. Shoot them. Do SOMETHING! If it is so bad that it continues to be the biggest news in the tournament, DO something about it.
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| [Deep Freeze] Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:16:16 AM | |
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As I have mentioned in the past, I do NOT believe that blaming an official is EVER acceptable! Even if they DO make a mistake (which they do). The thing is, there is a remarkable abundance of discussion here on American TV regarding the poor officiating. I am watching ESPN and I assume that is what you all get over there as well? If so, I should think you would notice it also? It is rather annoying.
There are mistakes made by players, coaches AND officials. It happens. It is part of the "human element" I have mentioned. It just seems that poor officiating is the MAIN topic of discussion everyday! I mean, this must be a real problem with the game because they refer consistently to previous Cup matches and they go on and on about poor calls. If this is such an issue, implement "instant replay"! Jeez! They just go on and on about the officials. I was watching the US game this morning and the ref "disallowed" a goal which set off yet ANOTHER barrage of complaining about the officials. Replace them. Shoot them. Do SOMETHING! If it is so bad that it continues to be the biggest news in the tournament, DO something about it.
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