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Ah well... I dont like him exactly because of his antics... And whenever Argentina is playing, I am split between rooting against him, or rooting for Messi. Argentinians are pretty pissed with Maradona, tho, or so I hear. Apparently he wasnt a very good coach in the qualifiers.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:48:05 PM)| |  | jimmyjames wrote: | | He was and is great, his sideline antics and press conferences are one of the highlights of this tournament so far. I would love to see him take Argentina to the Cup again.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, yeah, lol, Ive seen both. They are legendary. The game that almost restarted the Falklands war! Maradona may be a prick, but he can sure play football.
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | 94 sucked. The final was decided on penalties. 86 was the best tournament in my life time. Check out Maradonas two goals against England on youtube, one was a handball that still pisses off the English. The other was one of the greatest individual goals ever.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Lol... Quieter... A dedicated Brazil fan is lurking around, betting shirts...
Well, I certainly agree about 2002 and 2006 world cups... Even though I do not like Italy. I dont remember 86 and 94.
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | The 02 World Cup was a shocker in every way. It's funny, crappy World Cups seem to be won by Brazil. 02 was a horrible tournament as was 94, both were won by Brazil. Best World Cups in recent history, 06 ( Italy winners ) and 86 ( Argentina winners ).
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Nah, no offside, at least not where I could see it... In any case, yeah, good summary. In any case, we have to give it to the refs on this cup. Save for Slovenia vs Usa and Germany vs Serbia, referees on this cup are very professional, and there were very few controversial decisions. If anyone remembers 2002 world cup... That was awfull. We were cheated against Spain, they got cheated in the quarterfinals, Italy was cheated, South Korea has only the refs to thank that they got so far... This is nothing in comparison.
In any case - we will finally be on the same page on Sunday! Beat Italy, and I will move to New Zealand and marry your coach.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Just found a video of the goal, not sure what was going on, the screen thing said offside, but I'm not sure. The ref saw 'something' cos he blew the whistle before the ball went in. Who knows what he saw though lol. Ah well, as harsh as it sounds, shit happens, deal with it. No point dwelling on shit referees, cos unfortunately they will be encountered in even professional sport. Focus on the next game. I think a draw is a fair result, both teams had defensive lapses from what I saw, and the game was pretty even.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, ill stick to my opinion, regardless of the shitstorm that seems to have engulfed every web page that ends either with .si or .us... The goal was regular, and it was a nice one too. But since the US team deserved at least one red card and got none, ill say it was all fair in the end, with both teams still looking good to qualify to the round of 16.
As for ties, if our teams make it to the playoffs, you wont have to put up with those anymore, because there cant be a tie in playoffs.
Im just a little bit pissed on the supporters of both countries. Youtube comments always make me feel like a nuclear war wouldnt be such a bad thing, but this is something new alltogether.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | Speaking as one that very honestly has NO idea what is going on with regard to this game, I can only assume that there was a grievous error by this referee. I would not know it if I saw it but all the ESPN pundits keep babbling on about it so there has to be something there, no? I was watching and it appeared to me that all the players were pushing and shoving and whatnot. Nothing glaringly obvious that I could see. I do know that I NEVER feel it is right to blame an official for a loss. I mean, the fact remains that the US team did not WIN it. Period. Refs and umpires don't make plays...PLAYERS make them. Or, as in this case, do NOT make them. As for the particulars, that is for you soccer folks to debate. I STILL say ties SUCK! |
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| [Deep Freeze] Friday, June 18, 2010 3:50:23 PM | |
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Baseball is awesome. I am sure you have heard the term, "the game within the game"...? It actually IS full throttle in its own way. Out guessing the opponent. Putting on plays. Clutch hitting, fielding and focused pitching. Working around an opponent's strengths and exploiting the weaknesses. Much more than throwing and hitting but I was really referring more to AMERICAN football where there is savage violence and all out war. WINNING at all costs!!
As for the series thing, it is simply to determine the BEST team overall, not just the best one on THAT day. Anyone can beat anyone, it is said. By playing five or seven games, the "cream rises" as it were.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:44:21 PM)| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | Then how the hell can you watch baseball. It's hardly full throttle. Also in American sports why is the final result best out of 7 or whatever. Why not just have one game, Baseball, Hockey and Basketball all have a final series rather than a one off. How can you watch?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | In theory, yes. You are right. BOTH sides play to win. However, I have seen professional teams playing "NOT to lose". Playing it safe. Not taking chances. Whatever. For me, you do whatever you can, including cheat! If you aint cheatin, you aint tryin....HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Fact is, you do what you can and try what you can and hope you get away with it. WINNING is what matters. If they did away with this silly "points" nonsense and required losers to GO HOME you might see a significant increase in passion, my friend!
I am not much for all of the subtleties. I like passionate, full throttle action. I like kill or be killed mentality. I like that raw, take no prisoners attitude. For me, professional sport is about winning at all costs. WIN WIN WIN. Nothing else is acceptable.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, come on... Both sides play to win, and sometimes it just happens that both sides are equally good. Besides, when there has to be a winner there are tiebreakers. Right now, they play for points.
As far as refs are concerned.. Sometimes refs do influence the outcome of the match. If it wasnt for refs, France wouldnt even be on the cup, thats how much they can influence things. But yeah, no point dwelling on it, and the human element thing is interesting, I must say.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | It is yelloW, strat. I have NO idea what the other is!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, I watched the stupid game and I have NO idea what happened. Ties ("draws") blow. That is all there is to it. You play to WIN. Winning is ALL there is. It is the reason you play! Anything less is FAILURE, especially at this level!!! You do whatever you must to win. ANYTHING. Ties and whatnot are for children in schoolyards. No hurt feelings. Mommy makes it all better, etc.
And as I mentioned, I never feel it is right to blame a referee. They are not PLAYING. They are OFFICIATING. I actually LIKE the "human element". Mistakes are part of sport, for both for players AND officials. It makes things interesting. It keeps it "real". |
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| [jimmyjames] Friday, June 18, 2010 3:48:05 PM | |
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He was and is great, his sideline antics and press conferences are one of the highlights of this tournament so far. I would love to see him take Argentina to the Cup again.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:44:40 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, yeah, lol, Ive seen both. They are legendary. The game that almost restarted the Falklands war! Maradona may be a prick, but he can sure play football.
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | 94 sucked. The final was decided on penalties. 86 was the best tournament in my life time. Check out Maradonas two goals against England on youtube, one was a handball that still pisses off the English. The other was one of the greatest individual goals ever.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Lol... Quieter... A dedicated Brazil fan is lurking around, betting shirts...
Well, I certainly agree about 2002 and 2006 world cups... Even though I do not like Italy. I dont remember 86 and 94.
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | The 02 World Cup was a shocker in every way. It's funny, crappy World Cups seem to be won by Brazil. 02 was a horrible tournament as was 94, both were won by Brazil. Best World Cups in recent history, 06 ( Italy winners ) and 86 ( Argentina winners ).
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Nah, no offside, at least not where I could see it... In any case, yeah, good summary. In any case, we have to give it to the refs on this cup. Save for Slovenia vs Usa and Germany vs Serbia, referees on this cup are very professional, and there were very few controversial decisions. If anyone remembers 2002 world cup... That was awfull. We were cheated against Spain, they got cheated in the quarterfinals, Italy was cheated, South Korea has only the refs to thank that they got so far... This is nothing in comparison.
In any case - we will finally be on the same page on Sunday! Beat Italy, and I will move to New Zealand and marry your coach.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Just found a video of the goal, not sure what was going on, the screen thing said offside, but I'm not sure. The ref saw 'something' cos he blew the whistle before the ball went in. Who knows what he saw though lol. Ah well, as harsh as it sounds, shit happens, deal with it. No point dwelling on shit referees, cos unfortunately they will be encountered in even professional sport. Focus on the next game. I think a draw is a fair result, both teams had defensive lapses from what I saw, and the game was pretty even.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, ill stick to my opinion, regardless of the shitstorm that seems to have engulfed every web page that ends either with .si or .us... The goal was regular, and it was a nice one too. But since the US team deserved at least one red card and got none, ill say it was all fair in the end, with both teams still looking good to qualify to the round of 16.
As for ties, if our teams make it to the playoffs, you wont have to put up with those anymore, because there cant be a tie in playoffs.
Im just a little bit pissed on the supporters of both countries. Youtube comments always make me feel like a nuclear war wouldnt be such a bad thing, but this is something new alltogether.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | Speaking as one that very honestly has NO idea what is going on with regard to this game, I can only assume that there was a grievous error by this referee. I would not know it if I saw it but all the ESPN pundits keep babbling on about it so there has to be something there, no? I was watching and it appeared to me that all the players were pushing and shoving and whatnot. Nothing glaringly obvious that I could see. I do know that I NEVER feel it is right to blame an official for a loss. I mean, the fact remains that the US team did not WIN it. Period. Refs and umpires don't make plays...PLAYERS make them. Or, as in this case, do NOT make them. As for the particulars, that is for you soccer folks to debate. I STILL say ties SUCK! |
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| [_strat_] Friday, June 18, 2010 3:46:32 PM | |
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Well, that is what it comes down to in the end. Even in the group stage, its only theoretical that a team could qualify for the next round with three ties.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:45:01 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Victory- stay
Loss- Leave
End of story. If its about prolonging the inevitable, perhaps a double elimination format would be better? I don't know. I just hate ties.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Victory: 3 points
Draw: 1 point
Defeat: 0 points
The losers will go home.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | In theory, yes. You are right. BOTH sides play to win. However, I have seen professional teams playing "NOT to lose". Playing it safe. Not taking chances. Whatever. For me, you do whatever you can, including cheat! If you aint cheatin, you aint tryin....HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Fact is, you do what you can and try what you can and hope you get away with it. WINNING is what matters. If they did away with this silly "points" nonsense and required losers to GO HOME you might see a significant increase in passion, my friend!
I am not much for all of the subtleties. I like passionate, full throttle action. I like kill or be killed mentality. I like that raw, take no prisoners attitude. For me, professional sport is about winning at all costs. WIN WIN WIN. Nothing else is acceptable.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, come on... Both sides play to win, and sometimes it just happens that both sides are equally good. Besides, when there has to be a winner there are tiebreakers. Right now, they play for points.
As far as refs are concerned.. Sometimes refs do influence the outcome of the match. If it wasnt for refs, France wouldnt even be on the cup, thats how much they can influence things. But yeah, no point dwelling on it, and the human element thing is interesting, I must say.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | It is yelloW, strat. I have NO idea what the other is!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, I watched the stupid game and I have NO idea what happened. Ties ("draws") blow. That is all there is to it. You play to WIN. Winning is ALL there is. It is the reason you play! Anything less is FAILURE, especially at this level!!! You do whatever you must to win. ANYTHING. Ties and whatnot are for children in schoolyards. No hurt feelings. Mommy makes it all better, etc.
And as I mentioned, I never feel it is right to blame a referee. They are not PLAYING. They are OFFICIATING. I actually LIKE the "human element". Mistakes are part of sport, for both for players AND officials. It makes things interesting. It keeps it "real". |
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| [Deep Freeze] Friday, June 18, 2010 3:45:01 PM | |
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Victory- stay
Loss- Leave
End of story. If its about prolonging the inevitable, perhaps a double elimination format would be better? I don't know. I just hate ties.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:42:36 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Victory: 3 points
Draw: 1 point
Defeat: 0 points
The losers will go home.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | In theory, yes. You are right. BOTH sides play to win. However, I have seen professional teams playing "NOT to lose". Playing it safe. Not taking chances. Whatever. For me, you do whatever you can, including cheat! If you aint cheatin, you aint tryin....HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Fact is, you do what you can and try what you can and hope you get away with it. WINNING is what matters. If they did away with this silly "points" nonsense and required losers to GO HOME you might see a significant increase in passion, my friend!
I am not much for all of the subtleties. I like passionate, full throttle action. I like kill or be killed mentality. I like that raw, take no prisoners attitude. For me, professional sport is about winning at all costs. WIN WIN WIN. Nothing else is acceptable.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, come on... Both sides play to win, and sometimes it just happens that both sides are equally good. Besides, when there has to be a winner there are tiebreakers. Right now, they play for points.
As far as refs are concerned.. Sometimes refs do influence the outcome of the match. If it wasnt for refs, France wouldnt even be on the cup, thats how much they can influence things. But yeah, no point dwelling on it, and the human element thing is interesting, I must say.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | It is yelloW, strat. I have NO idea what the other is!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, I watched the stupid game and I have NO idea what happened. Ties ("draws") blow. That is all there is to it. You play to WIN. Winning is ALL there is. It is the reason you play! Anything less is FAILURE, especially at this level!!! You do whatever you must to win. ANYTHING. Ties and whatnot are for children in schoolyards. No hurt feelings. Mommy makes it all better, etc.
And as I mentioned, I never feel it is right to blame a referee. They are not PLAYING. They are OFFICIATING. I actually LIKE the "human element". Mistakes are part of sport, for both for players AND officials. It makes things interesting. It keeps it "real". |
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| [_strat_] Friday, June 18, 2010 3:44:40 PM | |
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Oh, yeah, lol, Ive seen both. They are legendary. The game that almost restarted the Falklands war! Maradona may be a prick, but he can sure play football.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:39:02 PM)| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | 94 sucked. The final was decided on penalties. 86 was the best tournament in my life time. Check out Maradonas two goals against England on youtube, one was a handball that still pisses off the English. The other was one of the greatest individual goals ever.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Lol... Quieter... A dedicated Brazil fan is lurking around, betting shirts...
Well, I certainly agree about 2002 and 2006 world cups... Even though I do not like Italy. I dont remember 86 and 94.
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | The 02 World Cup was a shocker in every way. It's funny, crappy World Cups seem to be won by Brazil. 02 was a horrible tournament as was 94, both were won by Brazil. Best World Cups in recent history, 06 ( Italy winners ) and 86 ( Argentina winners ).
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Nah, no offside, at least not where I could see it... In any case, yeah, good summary. In any case, we have to give it to the refs on this cup. Save for Slovenia vs Usa and Germany vs Serbia, referees on this cup are very professional, and there were very few controversial decisions. If anyone remembers 2002 world cup... That was awfull. We were cheated against Spain, they got cheated in the quarterfinals, Italy was cheated, South Korea has only the refs to thank that they got so far... This is nothing in comparison.
In any case - we will finally be on the same page on Sunday! Beat Italy, and I will move to New Zealand and marry your coach.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Just found a video of the goal, not sure what was going on, the screen thing said offside, but I'm not sure. The ref saw 'something' cos he blew the whistle before the ball went in. Who knows what he saw though lol. Ah well, as harsh as it sounds, shit happens, deal with it. No point dwelling on shit referees, cos unfortunately they will be encountered in even professional sport. Focus on the next game. I think a draw is a fair result, both teams had defensive lapses from what I saw, and the game was pretty even.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, ill stick to my opinion, regardless of the shitstorm that seems to have engulfed every web page that ends either with .si or .us... The goal was regular, and it was a nice one too. But since the US team deserved at least one red card and got none, ill say it was all fair in the end, with both teams still looking good to qualify to the round of 16.
As for ties, if our teams make it to the playoffs, you wont have to put up with those anymore, because there cant be a tie in playoffs.
Im just a little bit pissed on the supporters of both countries. Youtube comments always make me feel like a nuclear war wouldnt be such a bad thing, but this is something new alltogether.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | Speaking as one that very honestly has NO idea what is going on with regard to this game, I can only assume that there was a grievous error by this referee. I would not know it if I saw it but all the ESPN pundits keep babbling on about it so there has to be something there, no? I was watching and it appeared to me that all the players were pushing and shoving and whatnot. Nothing glaringly obvious that I could see. I do know that I NEVER feel it is right to blame an official for a loss. I mean, the fact remains that the US team did not WIN it. Period. Refs and umpires don't make plays...PLAYERS make them. Or, as in this case, do NOT make them. As for the particulars, that is for you soccer folks to debate. I STILL say ties SUCK! |
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| [jimmyjames] Friday, June 18, 2010 3:44:21 PM | |
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Then how the hell can you watch baseball. It's hardly full throttle. Also in American sports why is the final result best out of 7 or whatever. Why not just have one game, Baseball, Hockey and Basketball all have a final series rather than a one off. How can you watch?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:39:10 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | In theory, yes. You are right. BOTH sides play to win. However, I have seen professional teams playing "NOT to lose". Playing it safe. Not taking chances. Whatever. For me, you do whatever you can, including cheat! If you aint cheatin, you aint tryin....HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Fact is, you do what you can and try what you can and hope you get away with it. WINNING is what matters. If they did away with this silly "points" nonsense and required losers to GO HOME you might see a significant increase in passion, my friend!
I am not much for all of the subtleties. I like passionate, full throttle action. I like kill or be killed mentality. I like that raw, take no prisoners attitude. For me, professional sport is about winning at all costs. WIN WIN WIN. Nothing else is acceptable.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, come on... Both sides play to win, and sometimes it just happens that both sides are equally good. Besides, when there has to be a winner there are tiebreakers. Right now, they play for points.
As far as refs are concerned.. Sometimes refs do influence the outcome of the match. If it wasnt for refs, France wouldnt even be on the cup, thats how much they can influence things. But yeah, no point dwelling on it, and the human element thing is interesting, I must say.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | It is yelloW, strat. I have NO idea what the other is!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, I watched the stupid game and I have NO idea what happened. Ties ("draws") blow. That is all there is to it. You play to WIN. Winning is ALL there is. It is the reason you play! Anything less is FAILURE, especially at this level!!! You do whatever you must to win. ANYTHING. Ties and whatnot are for children in schoolyards. No hurt feelings. Mommy makes it all better, etc.
And as I mentioned, I never feel it is right to blame a referee. They are not PLAYING. They are OFFICIATING. I actually LIKE the "human element". Mistakes are part of sport, for both for players AND officials. It makes things interesting. It keeps it "real". |
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| [_strat_] Friday, June 18, 2010 3:42:36 PM | |
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Victory: 3 points
Draw: 1 point
Defeat: 0 points
The losers will go home.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:39:10 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | In theory, yes. You are right. BOTH sides play to win. However, I have seen professional teams playing "NOT to lose". Playing it safe. Not taking chances. Whatever. For me, you do whatever you can, including cheat! If you aint cheatin, you aint tryin....HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Fact is, you do what you can and try what you can and hope you get away with it. WINNING is what matters. If they did away with this silly "points" nonsense and required losers to GO HOME you might see a significant increase in passion, my friend!
I am not much for all of the subtleties. I like passionate, full throttle action. I like kill or be killed mentality. I like that raw, take no prisoners attitude. For me, professional sport is about winning at all costs. WIN WIN WIN. Nothing else is acceptable.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, come on... Both sides play to win, and sometimes it just happens that both sides are equally good. Besides, when there has to be a winner there are tiebreakers. Right now, they play for points.
As far as refs are concerned.. Sometimes refs do influence the outcome of the match. If it wasnt for refs, France wouldnt even be on the cup, thats how much they can influence things. But yeah, no point dwelling on it, and the human element thing is interesting, I must say.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | It is yelloW, strat. I have NO idea what the other is!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, I watched the stupid game and I have NO idea what happened. Ties ("draws") blow. That is all there is to it. You play to WIN. Winning is ALL there is. It is the reason you play! Anything less is FAILURE, especially at this level!!! You do whatever you must to win. ANYTHING. Ties and whatnot are for children in schoolyards. No hurt feelings. Mommy makes it all better, etc.
And as I mentioned, I never feel it is right to blame a referee. They are not PLAYING. They are OFFICIATING. I actually LIKE the "human element". Mistakes are part of sport, for both for players AND officials. It makes things interesting. It keeps it "real". |
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| [Deep Freeze] Friday, June 18, 2010 3:39:10 PM | |
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In theory, yes. You are right. BOTH sides play to win. However, I have seen professional teams playing "NOT to lose". Playing it safe. Not taking chances. Whatever. For me, you do whatever you can, including cheat! If you aint cheatin, you aint tryin....HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Fact is, you do what you can and try what you can and hope you get away with it. WINNING is what matters. If they did away with this silly "points" nonsense and required losers to GO HOME you might see a significant increase in passion, my friend!
I am not much for all of the subtleties. I like passionate, full throttle action. I like kill or be killed mentality. I like that raw, take no prisoners attitude. For me, professional sport is about winning at all costs. WIN WIN WIN. Nothing else is acceptable.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:32:17 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, come on... Both sides play to win, and sometimes it just happens that both sides are equally good. Besides, when there has to be a winner there are tiebreakers. Right now, they play for points.
As far as refs are concerned.. Sometimes refs do influence the outcome of the match. If it wasnt for refs, France wouldnt even be on the cup, thats how much they can influence things. But yeah, no point dwelling on it, and the human element thing is interesting, I must say.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | It is yelloW, strat. I have NO idea what the other is!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, I watched the stupid game and I have NO idea what happened. Ties ("draws") blow. That is all there is to it. You play to WIN. Winning is ALL there is. It is the reason you play! Anything less is FAILURE, especially at this level!!! You do whatever you must to win. ANYTHING. Ties and whatnot are for children in schoolyards. No hurt feelings. Mommy makes it all better, etc.
And as I mentioned, I never feel it is right to blame a referee. They are not PLAYING. They are OFFICIATING. I actually LIKE the "human element". Mistakes are part of sport, for both for players AND officials. It makes things interesting. It keeps it "real". |
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| [jimmyjames] Friday, June 18, 2010 3:39:02 PM | |
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94 sucked. The final was decided on penalties. 86 was the best tournament in my life time. Check out Maradonas two goals against England on youtube, one was a handball that still pisses off the English. The other was one of the greatest individual goals ever.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:33:58 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Lol... Quieter... A dedicated Brazil fan is lurking around, betting shirts...
Well, I certainly agree about 2002 and 2006 world cups... Even though I do not like Italy. I dont remember 86 and 94.
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | The 02 World Cup was a shocker in every way. It's funny, crappy World Cups seem to be won by Brazil. 02 was a horrible tournament as was 94, both were won by Brazil. Best World Cups in recent history, 06 ( Italy winners ) and 86 ( Argentina winners ).
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Nah, no offside, at least not where I could see it... In any case, yeah, good summary. In any case, we have to give it to the refs on this cup. Save for Slovenia vs Usa and Germany vs Serbia, referees on this cup are very professional, and there were very few controversial decisions. If anyone remembers 2002 world cup... That was awfull. We were cheated against Spain, they got cheated in the quarterfinals, Italy was cheated, South Korea has only the refs to thank that they got so far... This is nothing in comparison.
In any case - we will finally be on the same page on Sunday! Beat Italy, and I will move to New Zealand and marry your coach.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Just found a video of the goal, not sure what was going on, the screen thing said offside, but I'm not sure. The ref saw 'something' cos he blew the whistle before the ball went in. Who knows what he saw though lol. Ah well, as harsh as it sounds, shit happens, deal with it. No point dwelling on shit referees, cos unfortunately they will be encountered in even professional sport. Focus on the next game. I think a draw is a fair result, both teams had defensive lapses from what I saw, and the game was pretty even.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, ill stick to my opinion, regardless of the shitstorm that seems to have engulfed every web page that ends either with .si or .us... The goal was regular, and it was a nice one too. But since the US team deserved at least one red card and got none, ill say it was all fair in the end, with both teams still looking good to qualify to the round of 16.
As for ties, if our teams make it to the playoffs, you wont have to put up with those anymore, because there cant be a tie in playoffs.
Im just a little bit pissed on the supporters of both countries. Youtube comments always make me feel like a nuclear war wouldnt be such a bad thing, but this is something new alltogether.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | Speaking as one that very honestly has NO idea what is going on with regard to this game, I can only assume that there was a grievous error by this referee. I would not know it if I saw it but all the ESPN pundits keep babbling on about it so there has to be something there, no? I was watching and it appeared to me that all the players were pushing and shoving and whatnot. Nothing glaringly obvious that I could see. I do know that I NEVER feel it is right to blame an official for a loss. I mean, the fact remains that the US team did not WIN it. Period. Refs and umpires don't make plays...PLAYERS make them. Or, as in this case, do NOT make them. As for the particulars, that is for you soccer folks to debate. I STILL say ties SUCK! |
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| [_strat_] Friday, June 18, 2010 3:36:41 PM | |
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Yup. And if it wasnt for draws, we wouldnt have penalty shootouts!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:35:49 PM)| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | It's quite a simple game, you have to get the ball into the other teams net without using your hands or making excessive contact. There is a time limit and the score is what it is when the time has elapsed. Draws actually make the tournament more interesting by increasing the number of possible outcomes. Also great if your into gambling, more possibilities up the odds. If you give it a chance Football will grow on you.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | It is yelloW, strat. I have NO idea what the other is!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, I watched the stupid game and I have NO idea what happened. Ties ("draws") blow. That is all there is to it. You play to WIN. Winning is ALL there is. It is the reason you play! Anything less is FAILURE, especially at this level!!! You do whatever you must to win. ANYTHING. Ties and whatnot are for children in schoolyards. No hurt feelings. Mommy makes it all better, etc.
And as I mentioned, I never feel it is right to blame a referee. They are not PLAYING. They are OFFICIATING. I actually LIKE the "human element". Mistakes are part of sport, for both for players AND officials. It makes things interesting. It keeps it "real". |
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| [jimmyjames] Friday, June 18, 2010 3:35:49 PM | |
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It's quite a simple game, you have to get the ball into the other teams net without using your hands or making excessive contact. There is a time limit and the score is what it is when the time has elapsed. Draws actually make the tournament more interesting by increasing the number of possible outcomes. Also great if your into gambling, more possibilities up the odds. If you give it a chance Football will grow on you.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:26:50 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | It is yelloW, strat. I have NO idea what the other is!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, I watched the stupid game and I have NO idea what happened. Ties ("draws") blow. That is all there is to it. You play to WIN. Winning is ALL there is. It is the reason you play! Anything less is FAILURE, especially at this level!!! You do whatever you must to win. ANYTHING. Ties and whatnot are for children in schoolyards. No hurt feelings. Mommy makes it all better, etc.
And as I mentioned, I never feel it is right to blame a referee. They are not PLAYING. They are OFFICIATING. I actually LIKE the "human element". Mistakes are part of sport, for both for players AND officials. It makes things interesting. It keeps it "real". |
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| [_strat_] Friday, June 18, 2010 3:33:58 PM | |
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Lol... Quieter... A dedicated Brazil fan is lurking around, betting shirts...
Well, I certainly agree about 2002 and 2006 world cups... Even though I do not like Italy. I dont remember 86 and 94.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:27:06 PM)| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | The 02 World Cup was a shocker in every way. It's funny, crappy World Cups seem to be won by Brazil. 02 was a horrible tournament as was 94, both were won by Brazil. Best World Cups in recent history, 06 ( Italy winners ) and 86 ( Argentina winners ).
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Nah, no offside, at least not where I could see it... In any case, yeah, good summary. In any case, we have to give it to the refs on this cup. Save for Slovenia vs Usa and Germany vs Serbia, referees on this cup are very professional, and there were very few controversial decisions. If anyone remembers 2002 world cup... That was awfull. We were cheated against Spain, they got cheated in the quarterfinals, Italy was cheated, South Korea has only the refs to thank that they got so far... This is nothing in comparison.
In any case - we will finally be on the same page on Sunday! Beat Italy, and I will move to New Zealand and marry your coach.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Just found a video of the goal, not sure what was going on, the screen thing said offside, but I'm not sure. The ref saw 'something' cos he blew the whistle before the ball went in. Who knows what he saw though lol. Ah well, as harsh as it sounds, shit happens, deal with it. No point dwelling on shit referees, cos unfortunately they will be encountered in even professional sport. Focus on the next game. I think a draw is a fair result, both teams had defensive lapses from what I saw, and the game was pretty even.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, ill stick to my opinion, regardless of the shitstorm that seems to have engulfed every web page that ends either with .si or .us... The goal was regular, and it was a nice one too. But since the US team deserved at least one red card and got none, ill say it was all fair in the end, with both teams still looking good to qualify to the round of 16.
As for ties, if our teams make it to the playoffs, you wont have to put up with those anymore, because there cant be a tie in playoffs.
Im just a little bit pissed on the supporters of both countries. Youtube comments always make me feel like a nuclear war wouldnt be such a bad thing, but this is something new alltogether.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | Speaking as one that very honestly has NO idea what is going on with regard to this game, I can only assume that there was a grievous error by this referee. I would not know it if I saw it but all the ESPN pundits keep babbling on about it so there has to be something there, no? I was watching and it appeared to me that all the players were pushing and shoving and whatnot. Nothing glaringly obvious that I could see. I do know that I NEVER feel it is right to blame an official for a loss. I mean, the fact remains that the US team did not WIN it. Period. Refs and umpires don't make plays...PLAYERS make them. Or, as in this case, do NOT make them. As for the particulars, that is for you soccer folks to debate. I STILL say ties SUCK! |
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| [_strat_] Friday, June 18, 2010 3:32:17 PM | |
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Oh, come on... Both sides play to win, and sometimes it just happens that both sides are equally good. Besides, when there has to be a winner there are tiebreakers. Right now, they play for points.
As far as refs are concerned.. Sometimes refs do influence the outcome of the match. If it wasnt for refs, France wouldnt even be on the cup, thats how much they can influence things. But yeah, no point dwelling on it, and the human element thing is interesting, I must say.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:26:50 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | It is yelloW, strat. I have NO idea what the other is!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, I watched the stupid game and I have NO idea what happened. Ties ("draws") blow. That is all there is to it. You play to WIN. Winning is ALL there is. It is the reason you play! Anything less is FAILURE, especially at this level!!! You do whatever you must to win. ANYTHING. Ties and whatnot are for children in schoolyards. No hurt feelings. Mommy makes it all better, etc.
And as I mentioned, I never feel it is right to blame a referee. They are not PLAYING. They are OFFICIATING. I actually LIKE the "human element". Mistakes are part of sport, for both for players AND officials. It makes things interesting. It keeps it "real". |
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| [jimmyjames] Friday, June 18, 2010 3:27:06 PM | |
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The 02 World Cup was a shocker in every way. It's funny, crappy World Cups seem to be won by Brazil. 02 was a horrible tournament as was 94, both were won by Brazil. Best World Cups in recent history, 06 ( Italy winners ) and 86 ( Argentina winners ).
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:21:53 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Nah, no offside, at least not where I could see it... In any case, yeah, good summary. In any case, we have to give it to the refs on this cup. Save for Slovenia vs Usa and Germany vs Serbia, referees on this cup are very professional, and there were very few controversial decisions. If anyone remembers 2002 world cup... That was awfull. We were cheated against Spain, they got cheated in the quarterfinals, Italy was cheated, South Korea has only the refs to thank that they got so far... This is nothing in comparison.
In any case - we will finally be on the same page on Sunday! Beat Italy, and I will move to New Zealand and marry your coach.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Just found a video of the goal, not sure what was going on, the screen thing said offside, but I'm not sure. The ref saw 'something' cos he blew the whistle before the ball went in. Who knows what he saw though lol. Ah well, as harsh as it sounds, shit happens, deal with it. No point dwelling on shit referees, cos unfortunately they will be encountered in even professional sport. Focus on the next game. I think a draw is a fair result, both teams had defensive lapses from what I saw, and the game was pretty even.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, ill stick to my opinion, regardless of the shitstorm that seems to have engulfed every web page that ends either with .si or .us... The goal was regular, and it was a nice one too. But since the US team deserved at least one red card and got none, ill say it was all fair in the end, with both teams still looking good to qualify to the round of 16.
As for ties, if our teams make it to the playoffs, you wont have to put up with those anymore, because there cant be a tie in playoffs.
Im just a little bit pissed on the supporters of both countries. Youtube comments always make me feel like a nuclear war wouldnt be such a bad thing, but this is something new alltogether.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | Speaking as one that very honestly has NO idea what is going on with regard to this game, I can only assume that there was a grievous error by this referee. I would not know it if I saw it but all the ESPN pundits keep babbling on about it so there has to be something there, no? I was watching and it appeared to me that all the players were pushing and shoving and whatnot. Nothing glaringly obvious that I could see. I do know that I NEVER feel it is right to blame an official for a loss. I mean, the fact remains that the US team did not WIN it. Period. Refs and umpires don't make plays...PLAYERS make them. Or, as in this case, do NOT make them. As for the particulars, that is for you soccer folks to debate. I STILL say ties SUCK! |
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| [Deep Freeze] Friday, June 18, 2010 3:26:50 PM | |
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It is yelloW, strat. I have NO idea what the other is!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, I watched the stupid game and I have NO idea what happened. Ties ("draws") blow. That is all there is to it. You play to WIN. Winning is ALL there is. It is the reason you play! Anything less is FAILURE, especially at this level!!! You do whatever you must to win. ANYTHING. Ties and whatnot are for children in schoolyards. No hurt feelings. Mommy makes it all better, etc.
And as I mentioned, I never feel it is right to blame a referee. They are not PLAYING. They are OFFICIATING. I actually LIKE the "human element". Mistakes are part of sport, for both for players AND officials. It makes things interesting. It keeps it "real". |
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| [_strat_] Friday, June 18, 2010 3:21:53 PM | |
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Nah, no offside, at least not where I could see it... In any case, yeah, good summary. In any case, we have to give it to the refs on this cup. Save for Slovenia vs Usa and Germany vs Serbia, referees on this cup are very professional, and there were very few controversial decisions. If anyone remembers 2002 world cup... That was awfull. We were cheated against Spain, they got cheated in the quarterfinals, Italy was cheated, South Korea has only the refs to thank that they got so far... This is nothing in comparison.
In any case - we will finally be on the same page on Sunday! Beat Italy, and I will move to New Zealand and marry your coach.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:11:06 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | Just found a video of the goal, not sure what was going on, the screen thing said offside, but I'm not sure. The ref saw 'something' cos he blew the whistle before the ball went in. Who knows what he saw though lol. Ah well, as harsh as it sounds, shit happens, deal with it. No point dwelling on shit referees, cos unfortunately they will be encountered in even professional sport. Focus on the next game. I think a draw is a fair result, both teams had defensive lapses from what I saw, and the game was pretty even.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, ill stick to my opinion, regardless of the shitstorm that seems to have engulfed every web page that ends either with .si or .us... The goal was regular, and it was a nice one too. But since the US team deserved at least one red card and got none, ill say it was all fair in the end, with both teams still looking good to qualify to the round of 16.
As for ties, if our teams make it to the playoffs, you wont have to put up with those anymore, because there cant be a tie in playoffs.
Im just a little bit pissed on the supporters of both countries. Youtube comments always make me feel like a nuclear war wouldnt be such a bad thing, but this is something new alltogether.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | Speaking as one that very honestly has NO idea what is going on with regard to this game, I can only assume that there was a grievous error by this referee. I would not know it if I saw it but all the ESPN pundits keep babbling on about it so there has to be something there, no? I was watching and it appeared to me that all the players were pushing and shoving and whatnot. Nothing glaringly obvious that I could see. I do know that I NEVER feel it is right to blame an official for a loss. I mean, the fact remains that the US team did not WIN it. Period. Refs and umpires don't make plays...PLAYERS make them. Or, as in this case, do NOT make them. As for the particulars, that is for you soccer folks to debate. I STILL say ties SUCK! |
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| [Becks] Friday, June 18, 2010 3:12:19 PM | |
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Yeah I thought a lot of them were over niggly stuff, maybe yellow is his favourite colour.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:08:07 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Maybe its just me, but I think most of them were unwarranted. Then again, maybe the ref just likes yellow.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Just watching a replay of the match now, yellow cards everywhere!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Mhm. Germans werent themselves today. A very brutal game to. 4-4 in yellow cards.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Hmm, Serbia beat Germany eh? I have to say I am surprised, I will try to catch a replay later today though. Another draw too I see, LOL!!
I have one other thing to say...............GO ENGLAND! LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | True. Truth be told, the goal was regular, and Im not sure why the referee cancelled it. But, Americans played really rough too, and Dempsey at least should have got sent of for the foul right at the beginning, so when all is said and done, I think 2:2 is a fair result.
Now, we are all hoping that England wont win against Algeria.
| | | Vaillant 3.0 wrote: | | | Holy crapola! Both teams have tied. Slovenia got lucky that US' third goal didn't count. Cool game!! |
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| [Becks] Friday, June 18, 2010 3:11:06 PM | |
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Just found a video of the goal, not sure what was going on, the screen thing said offside, but I'm not sure. The ref saw 'something' cos he blew the whistle before the ball went in. Who knows what he saw though lol. Ah well, as harsh as it sounds, shit happens, deal with it. No point dwelling on shit referees, cos unfortunately they will be encountered in even professional sport. Focus on the next game. I think a draw is a fair result, both teams had defensive lapses from what I saw, and the game was pretty even.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, June 18, 2010 2:56:30 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, ill stick to my opinion, regardless of the shitstorm that seems to have engulfed every web page that ends either with .si or .us... The goal was regular, and it was a nice one too. But since the US team deserved at least one red card and got none, ill say it was all fair in the end, with both teams still looking good to qualify to the round of 16.
As for ties, if our teams make it to the playoffs, you wont have to put up with those anymore, because there cant be a tie in playoffs.
Im just a little bit pissed on the supporters of both countries. Youtube comments always make me feel like a nuclear war wouldnt be such a bad thing, but this is something new alltogether.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | Speaking as one that very honestly has NO idea what is going on with regard to this game, I can only assume that there was a grievous error by this referee. I would not know it if I saw it but all the ESPN pundits keep babbling on about it so there has to be something there, no? I was watching and it appeared to me that all the players were pushing and shoving and whatnot. Nothing glaringly obvious that I could see. I do know that I NEVER feel it is right to blame an official for a loss. I mean, the fact remains that the US team did not WIN it. Period. Refs and umpires don't make plays...PLAYERS make them. Or, as in this case, do NOT make them. As for the particulars, that is for you soccer folks to debate. I STILL say ties SUCK! |
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| [_strat_] Friday, June 18, 2010 3:08:07 PM | |
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Maybe its just me, but I think most of them were unwarranted. Then again, maybe the ref just likes yellow.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, June 18, 2010 2:42:46 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | Just watching a replay of the match now, yellow cards everywhere!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Mhm. Germans werent themselves today. A very brutal game to. 4-4 in yellow cards.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Hmm, Serbia beat Germany eh? I have to say I am surprised, I will try to catch a replay later today though. Another draw too I see, LOL!!
I have one other thing to say...............GO ENGLAND! LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | True. Truth be told, the goal was regular, and Im not sure why the referee cancelled it. But, Americans played really rough too, and Dempsey at least should have got sent of for the foul right at the beginning, so when all is said and done, I think 2:2 is a fair result.
Now, we are all hoping that England wont win against Algeria.
| | | Vaillant 3.0 wrote: | | | Holy crapola! Both teams have tied. Slovenia got lucky that US' third goal didn't count. Cool game!! |
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