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...I'm not defending Sosa, Soy...just presenting facts...McGwire was an HGH user and it was not banned at the time he was taking it...of course, you'd have to be a complete idiot to not believe Sosa juiced, and yes, he has taken tests in the past, all negative...and the all important corked bat, against a very weak (at the time) Devil Rays team...but he does have numerous bats hanging in Cooperstown from certain acheivements, they had them all x-rayed and they were all legit...so what am I missin' other than the before and after pics??...I have to believe there's something or someone who knows something...there just has to be...maybe it was Gaylord Perry...Mr. Integrity...who was giving the injections... |
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| [Deep Freeze] Saturday, February 07, 2009 1:08:49 PM | |
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Perhaps. They do a lot of talking but the MLB officials LOVE numbers..especially when it comes to dollars and cents. Records and players that get them draw attention. They draw fans and fans PAY. Money, baby. Hard for me to see MLB doing anything about that...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, February 07, 2009 1:02:16 PM)| |  | Head banger wrote: | | perhaps. the shoes are beter, bats are lighter. hockey, the sticks are some bizare composite material that bends. Imagine tiger golfing with woods made of wood? still, if there is going to be a rule, you need to enforce it. the pitcher still throws with his foot touching the rubber. the bases are still 90' away.
if you move towards home, you cant throw to first. its getting as close to the edge without crossing it thats key.
the players work out more. thats fine, if they want to take injections to get what they want, if MLB says its ok, then do it. if not, then MLB needs to test, and test regularily.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Maybe. I don't know, HB. I mean, you might say that steroids are like a corked bat but I just don't know. If someone develops a tree with better wood and uses it for a bat, is THAT cheating?? I just cannot say. Improved performance is improved perfomance. They have better shoes, gloves and whatnot. I do not know where one would "draw the line", as it were.
They have rules, yes. And for as long as there has been professional sports, there has been cheating. Players call it getting an "edge" and that is often admired by people. I took advantage of any edge I could find. Used psychology a lot. Got in their heads, as they say. Is that cheating, too?? Is it only cheating if they make a rule about it? Again, hard to say. Winning is all that really counts.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | perhaps if they are going to have a rule about corked bats, or roids, etc, they need to test, and test often. either that or dont have the rule
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well Soy, political affiliations aside, I find that I am in a rather difficult position when it comes to steroid use in professional sports. I mean, I am not for it but I have difficulty condemning it as "cheating". Professional sport is a business. It is the business of winning and, as such, you do whatever you must to win. Terribly cynical I know, but true. The old adage, "If you aint cheatin', you aint tryin' " comes to mind.
Anyone that has ever played sports at any real level can certainly understand from whence I speak. I have mentioned my past life in baseball many times. I never doped but then again, I never got "paid" and needed to..My team was sponsored and we won in order to retain that sponsorship (along with using their equipment) but the point is, if we stopped winning, we lost our "ride". Did I try to take an extra step when I could? You bet! Did I try to exploit a weakness or sneak off the bag early or get a head start when I thought no umpire was looking? Absoluetly. I guess I "cheated".
Professional athletes are paid to win. There is no silly sentiment or "pureness" to it. Win or retire. Period. And fans love winning. Now, having said this, as a true fan, I also understand the sadness many feel when a "hero" is exposed as a fraud. But, if you consider that an athlete's body is nothing more than a piece of equipment, how can you blame him?? I mean, they use the best equipment technology can offer, right? Certainly they would consider "improving" their body in any way possible? A truly difficult situation. I know what yiou are saying, Soy. I just do not know what the "right" answer would be... |
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| [Head banger] Saturday, February 07, 2009 1:02:16 PM | |
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perhaps. the shoes are beter, bats are lighter. hockey, the sticks are some bizare composite material that bends. Imagine tiger golfing with woods made of wood? still, if there is going to be a rule, you need to enforce it. the pitcher still throws with his foot touching the rubber. the bases are still 90' away.
if you move towards home, you cant throw to first. its getting as close to the edge without crossing it thats key.
the players work out more. thats fine, if they want to take injections to get what they want, if MLB says its ok, then do it. if not, then MLB needs to test, and test regularily.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:57:01 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Maybe. I don't know, HB. I mean, you might say that steroids are like a corked bat but I just don't know. If someone develops a tree with better wood and uses it for a bat, is THAT cheating?? I just cannot say. Improved performance is improved perfomance. They have better shoes, gloves and whatnot. I do not know where one would "draw the line", as it were.
They have rules, yes. And for as long as there has been professional sports, there has been cheating. Players call it getting an "edge" and that is often admired by people. I took advantage of any edge I could find. Used psychology a lot. Got in their heads, as they say. Is that cheating, too?? Is it only cheating if they make a rule about it? Again, hard to say. Winning is all that really counts.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | perhaps if they are going to have a rule about corked bats, or roids, etc, they need to test, and test often. either that or dont have the rule
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well Soy, political affiliations aside, I find that I am in a rather difficult position when it comes to steroid use in professional sports. I mean, I am not for it but I have difficulty condemning it as "cheating". Professional sport is a business. It is the business of winning and, as such, you do whatever you must to win. Terribly cynical I know, but true. The old adage, "If you aint cheatin', you aint tryin' " comes to mind.
Anyone that has ever played sports at any real level can certainly understand from whence I speak. I have mentioned my past life in baseball many times. I never doped but then again, I never got "paid" and needed to..My team was sponsored and we won in order to retain that sponsorship (along with using their equipment) but the point is, if we stopped winning, we lost our "ride". Did I try to take an extra step when I could? You bet! Did I try to exploit a weakness or sneak off the bag early or get a head start when I thought no umpire was looking? Absoluetly. I guess I "cheated".
Professional athletes are paid to win. There is no silly sentiment or "pureness" to it. Win or retire. Period. And fans love winning. Now, having said this, as a true fan, I also understand the sadness many feel when a "hero" is exposed as a fraud. But, if you consider that an athlete's body is nothing more than a piece of equipment, how can you blame him?? I mean, they use the best equipment technology can offer, right? Certainly they would consider "improving" their body in any way possible? A truly difficult situation. I know what yiou are saying, Soy. I just do not know what the "right" answer would be... |
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| [Deep Freeze] Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:57:01 PM | |
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Maybe. I don't know, HB. I mean, you might say that steroids are like a corked bat but I just don't know. If someone develops a tree with better wood and uses it for a bat, is THAT cheating?? I just cannot say. Improved performance is improved perfomance. They have better shoes, gloves and whatnot. I do not know where one would "draw the line", as it were.
They have rules, yes. And for as long as there has been professional sports, there has been cheating. Players call it getting an "edge" and that is often admired by people. I took advantage of any edge I could find. Used psychology a lot. Got in their heads, as they say. Is that cheating, too?? Is it only cheating if they make a rule about it? Again, hard to say. Winning is all that really counts.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:49:15 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | perhaps if they are going to have a rule about corked bats, or roids, etc, they need to test, and test often. either that or dont have the rule
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well Soy, political affiliations aside, I find that I am in a rather difficult position when it comes to steroid use in professional sports. I mean, I am not for it but I have difficulty condemning it as "cheating". Professional sport is a business. It is the business of winning and, as such, you do whatever you must to win. Terribly cynical I know, but true. The old adage, "If you aint cheatin', you aint tryin' " comes to mind.
Anyone that has ever played sports at any real level can certainly understand from whence I speak. I have mentioned my past life in baseball many times. I never doped but then again, I never got "paid" and needed to..My team was sponsored and we won in order to retain that sponsorship (along with using their equipment) but the point is, if we stopped winning, we lost our "ride". Did I try to take an extra step when I could? You bet! Did I try to exploit a weakness or sneak off the bag early or get a head start when I thought no umpire was looking? Absoluetly. I guess I "cheated".
Professional athletes are paid to win. There is no silly sentiment or "pureness" to it. Win or retire. Period. And fans love winning. Now, having said this, as a true fan, I also understand the sadness many feel when a "hero" is exposed as a fraud. But, if you consider that an athlete's body is nothing more than a piece of equipment, how can you blame him?? I mean, they use the best equipment technology can offer, right? Certainly they would consider "improving" their body in any way possible? A truly difficult situation. I know what yiou are saying, Soy. I just do not know what the "right" answer would be... |
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| [Head banger] Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:49:15 PM | |
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perhaps if they are going to have a rule about corked bats, or roids, etc, they need to test, and test often. either that or dont have the rule
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:42:42 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well Soy, political affiliations aside, I find that I am in a rather difficult position when it comes to steroid use in professional sports. I mean, I am not for it but I have difficulty condemning it as "cheating". Professional sport is a business. It is the business of winning and, as such, you do whatever you must to win. Terribly cynical I know, but true. The old adage, "If you aint cheatin', you aint tryin' " comes to mind.
Anyone that has ever played sports at any real level can certainly understand from whence I speak. I have mentioned my past life in baseball many times. I never doped but then again, I never got "paid" and needed to..My team was sponsored and we won in order to retain that sponsorship (along with using their equipment) but the point is, if we stopped winning, we lost our "ride". Did I try to take an extra step when I could? You bet! Did I try to exploit a weakness or sneak off the bag early or get a head start when I thought no umpire was looking? Absoluetly. I guess I "cheated".
Professional athletes are paid to win. There is no silly sentiment or "pureness" to it. Win or retire. Period. And fans love winning. Now, having said this, as a true fan, I also understand the sadness many feel when a "hero" is exposed as a fraud. But, if you consider that an athlete's body is nothing more than a piece of equipment, how can you blame him?? I mean, they use the best equipment technology can offer, right? Certainly they would consider "improving" their body in any way possible? A truly difficult situation. I know what yiou are saying, Soy. I just do not know what the "right" answer would be... |
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| [Deep Freeze] Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:42:42 PM | |
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Well Soy, political affiliations aside, I find that I am in a rather difficult position when it comes to steroid use in professional sports. I mean, I am not for it but I have difficulty condemning it as "cheating". Professional sport is a business. It is the business of winning and, as such, you do whatever you must to win. Terribly cynical I know, but true. The old adage, "If you aint cheatin', you aint tryin' " comes to mind.
Anyone that has ever played sports at any real level can certainly understand from whence I speak. I have mentioned my past life in baseball many times. I never doped but then again, I never got "paid" and needed to..My team was sponsored and we won in order to retain that sponsorship (along with using their equipment) but the point is, if we stopped winning, we lost our "ride". Did I try to take an extra step when I could? You bet! Did I try to exploit a weakness or sneak off the bag early or get a head start when I thought no umpire was looking? Absoluetly. I guess I "cheated".
Professional athletes are paid to win. There is no silly sentiment or "pureness" to it. Win or retire. Period. And fans love winning. Now, having said this, as a true fan, I also understand the sadness many feel when a "hero" is exposed as a fraud. But, if you consider that an athlete's body is nothing more than a piece of equipment, how can you blame him?? I mean, they use the best equipment technology can offer, right? Certainly they would consider "improving" their body in any way possible? A truly difficult situation. I know what you are saying, Soy. I just do not know what the "right" answer would be...
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| [Soylentgreen4u] Saturday, February 07, 2009 11:40:36 AM | |
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NOT TO MENTION,I'LL BETCHA HE'S A REPUBLICAN TOO!...(tee-hee couldn't resist)
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, February 07, 2009 11:25:04 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | your not sugesting (gasp) that people get asked to take responsibility?
| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | EXACTLY HB...JUST ANOTHER COVERUP OF A DIRTY STAR-POWERED ATHLETE,SO NO ONE SHOULD BE SURPRISED SHOULD THIS TURN OUT TO BE 100% TRUE....NO HALL FOR CLEMENS,
SOSA,McGUIRE,BONDS,AND WHAT IS SHAPING UP POSSIBLY FOR RODRIGUEZ...MAYBE IF THEY'D START HITTING THESE CHEATING ORGANIZATIONS WITH SEVERE PENALTIES...HOW ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS: IF ONE OF YOUR PLAYERS TESTS POSITIVE DURING THE SEASON,OR OFF SEASON FOR THAT MATTER,IT'S AN AUTOMATIC 10 GAME PENALTY IN THE STANDINGS,PLUS OF COUSE A HEAVY FINE!  ....I MEAN CHEATING IS ALL ABOUT WINNING,SO TO GET SLAPPED 10 GAMES BACK IN THE STANDINGS WOULD GO A LONG WAY IN STOPPING THIS DOPING I THINK...
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| [Soylentgreen4u] Saturday, February 07, 2009 11:38:49 AM | |
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HI RON...WELL AN ITEM OR TWO THEN PERHAPS...HOW ABOUT A BEFORE AND AFTER PIC...THE
FACT HE DIDN'T SPEAK (OR WAS IT UNDERSTAND) ENGLISH AT THE HEARINGS INTO STEROID
USE.....IS IT NOT ALSO TRUE THAT HE JUST WON'T TAKE A TEST OR NEVER BEEN TESTED?...
THEN THERE'S THE WHOLE CORKED BAT THING,HOW LONG DID THAT REALLY GO ON?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Saturday, February 07, 2009 11:32:16 AM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | ...of your list, I haven't heard of a positive on Sosa...yet...
| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | EXACTLY HB...JUST ANOTHER COVERUP OF A DIRTY STAR-POWERED ATHLETE,SO NO ONE SHOULD BE SURPRISED SHOULD THIS TURN OUT TO BE 100% TRUE....NO HALL FOR CLEMENS,
SOSA,McGUIRE,BONDS,AND WHAT IS SHAPING UP POSSIBLY FOR RODRIGUEZ...MAYBE IF THEY'D START HITTING THESE CHEATING ORGANIZATIONS WITH SEVERE PENALTIES...HOW ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS: IF ONE OF YOUR PLAYERS TESTS POSITIVE DURING THE SEASON,OR OFF SEASON FOR THAT MATTER,IT'S AN AUTOMATIC 10 GAME PENALTY IN THE STANDINGS,PLUS OF COUSE A HEAVY FINE! ....I MEAN CHEATING IS ALL ABOUT WINNING,SO TO GET SLAPPED 10 GAMES BACK IN THE STANDINGS WOULD GO A LONG WAY IN STOPPING THIS DOPING I THINK...
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| [Soylentgreen4u] Saturday, February 07, 2009 11:33:46 AM | |
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I GUESS I WAS HAVING A STUPID MOMENT!...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, February 07, 2009 11:25:04 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | your not sugesting (gasp) that people get asked to take responsibility?
| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | EXACTLY HB...JUST ANOTHER COVERUP OF A DIRTY STAR-POWERED ATHLETE,SO NO ONE SHOULD BE SURPRISED SHOULD THIS TURN OUT TO BE 100% TRUE....NO HALL FOR CLEMENS,
SOSA,McGUIRE,BONDS,AND WHAT IS SHAPING UP POSSIBLY FOR RODRIGUEZ...MAYBE IF THEY'D START HITTING THESE CHEATING ORGANIZATIONS WITH SEVERE PENALTIES...HOW ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS: IF ONE OF YOUR PLAYERS TESTS POSITIVE DURING THE SEASON,OR OFF SEASON FOR THAT MATTER,IT'S AN AUTOMATIC 10 GAME PENALTY IN THE STANDINGS,PLUS OF COUSE A HEAVY FINE! ....I MEAN CHEATING IS ALL ABOUT WINNING,SO TO GET SLAPPED 10 GAMES BACK IN THE STANDINGS WOULD GO A LONG WAY IN STOPPING THIS DOPING I THINK...
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| [ron h] Saturday, February 07, 2009 11:32:16 AM | |
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...of your list, I haven't heard of a positive on Sosa...yet...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN from Saturday, February 07, 2009 11:19:02 AM)| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | EXACTLY HB...JUST ANOTHER COVERUP OF A DIRTY STAR-POWERED ATHLETE,SO NO ONE SHOULD BE SURPRISED SHOULD THIS TURN OUT TO BE 100% TRUE....NO HALL FOR CLEMENS,
SOSA,McGUIRE,BONDS,AND WHAT IS SHAPING UP POSSIBLY FOR RODRIGUEZ...MAYBE IF THEY'D START HITTING THESE CHEATING ORGANIZATIONS WITH SEVERE PENALTIES...HOW ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS: IF ONE OF YOUR PLAYERS TESTS POSITIVE DURING THE SEASON,OR OFF SEASON FOR THAT MATTER,IT'S AN AUTOMATIC 10 GAME PENALTY IN THE STANDINGS,PLUS OF COUSE A HEAVY FINE! ....I MEAN CHEATING IS ALL ABOUT WINNING,SO TO GET SLAPPED 10 GAMES BACK IN THE STANDINGS WOULD GO A LONG WAY IN STOPPING THIS DOPING I THINK...
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| [Head banger] Saturday, February 07, 2009 11:25:04 AM | |
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your not sugesting (gasp) that people get asked to take responsibility?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN from Saturday, February 07, 2009 11:19:02 AM)| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | EXACTLY HB...JUST ANOTHER COVERUP OF A DIRTY STAR-POWERED ATHLETE,SO NO ONE SHOULD BE SURPRISED SHOULD THIS TURN OUT TO BE 100% TRUE....NO HALL FOR CLEMENS,
SOSA,McGUIRE,BONDS,AND WHAT IS SHAPING UP POSSIBLY FOR RODRIGUEZ...MAYBE IF THEY'D START HITTING THESE CHEATING ORGANIZATIONS WITH SEVERE PENALTIES...HOW ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS: IF ONE OF YOUR PLAYERS TESTS POSITIVE DURING THE SEASON,OR OFF SEASON FOR THAT MATTER,IT'S AN AUTOMATIC 10 GAME PENALTY IN THE STANDINGS,PLUS OF COUSE A HEAVY FINE! ....I MEAN CHEATING IS ALL ABOUT WINNING,SO TO GET SLAPPED 10 GAMES BACK IN THE STANDINGS WOULD GO A LONG WAY IN STOPPING THIS DOPING I THINK...
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| [Soylentgreen4u] Saturday, February 07, 2009 11:19:02 AM | |
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EXACTLY HB...JUST ANOTHER COVERUP OF A DIRTY STAR-POWERED ATHLETE,SO NO ONE SHOULD BE SURPRISED SHOULD THIS TURN OUT TO BE 100% TRUE....NO HALL FOR CLEMENS,
SOSA,McGUIRE,BONDS,AND WHAT IS SHAPING UP POSSIBLY FOR RODRIGUEZ...MAYBE IF THEY'D START HITTING THESE CHEATING ORGANIZATIONS WITH SEVERE PENALTIES...HOW ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS: IF ONE OF YOUR PLAYERS TESTS POSITIVE DURING THE SEASON,OR OFF SEASON FOR THAT MATTER,IT'S AN AUTOMATIC 10 GAME PENALTY IN THE STANDINGS,PLUS OF COUSE A HEAVY FINE! ....I MEAN CHEATING IS ALL ABOUT WINNING,SO TO GET SLAPPED 10 GAMES BACK IN THE STANDINGS WOULD GO A LONG WAY IN STOPPING THIS DOPING I THINK...
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| [ron h] Saturday, February 07, 2009 11:14:09 AM | |
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...and don't forget Barry Bonds and the revelation (??) that popped positive for 3 different types of steroids....
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shows that no one cares much about roids, if it takes 6 years to get that out.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN from Saturday, February 07, 2009 10:52:18 AM)| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | THIS JUST IN...YANKEES 3rd BASEMAN ALEX RODRIGUEZ TESTED POSITIVE FOR STEROIDS IN 2003,ACCORDING TO SPORTS ILLUSTRATED!.... |
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| [Soylentgreen4u] Saturday, February 07, 2009 10:52:18 AM | |
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| [Soylentgreen4u] Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:08:33 PM | |
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AUTHOR KIRK RADOMSKI ON HIS BOOK 'BASES LOADED'...ON THE RAMPANT ILLEGAL DRUG USE IN BASEBALL...PRETTY DAMNING STUFF...THIS GUY STATES THAT HE HAD OVER 600 CLIENTS USING THE JUICE IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER...TOO BAD BUT THE GAME IS OBVIOUSLY DIRTY FROM OWNERSHIP RIGHT DOWN THROUGH MORE THAN JUST A FEW CHEATING PLAYERS...THIS
IS NOTHING NEW,BUT I FOUND IT INTERESTING AT ONE POINT WHEN THE HOST SAID THERE ARE OF COURSE MANY,MANY PLAYERS DENYING ANY USE OF THESE DRUGS OR CONNECTION WITH RADOMSKI,RADOMSKI ADDED,HOW ODD IT WAS THAT NOT ONE PLAYER HAS TAKEN LEGAL ACTION AGAINST HIM....EXACTLY!...ALTHOUGH DON'T THINK FOR ONE MINUTE I ADMIRE THIS GUY...NO,NO,NO...THE ONLY REASON THIS IS HAPPENING IS BECAUSE ONE MORNING HE AWOKE TO HIS HOME BEING SURROUNDED BY FEDERAL AGENTS...AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED,HE'S NOTHING MORE THAN A DRUG DEALER  ...NEVERMIND THE 'PROFESSIONAL' CHEATS,I WONDER HOW MANY TEENAGERS HE STARTED DOWN THIS PATH FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL PROFIT... |
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| [ron h] Sunday, February 01, 2009 11:01:25 PM | |
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No doubt...the Cards had to be the underdog of underdogs from the Wildcard round on...just goes to show that all you have to do is make it to the playoffs, it's a crap shoot after that...I feel your pain man, the Cards had their division wrapped up with a few weeks to go, their division was horrible...but that offense is real good, their defense was their bane this yaer and even they stepped it up come playoffs...I thought some of the calls were iffy as well, but I'll let that die as it happend to both teams...the game did keep me in my seat 'til time expired...I guess, seeing as our teams weren't in it, that's all we could have really asked for...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:47:09 PM)| | | TIMBONI wrote: | | True. People love a close game, although the score did not really reflect the tone of the game. I thought the refs got involved a little too much. Some of those penalties, on both sides, were kind of cheap. Being that my team is the Patriots, I've had a rough year. Lame call costs the Super Bowl and then we crush the Cardinals and can't even get into the playoffs with an 11 - 5 record. Hard to take from an 8 - 8 team.
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True. People love a close game, although the score did not really reflect the tone of the game. I thought the refs got involved a little too much. Some of those penalties, on both sides, were kind of cheap. Being that my team is the Patriots, I've had a rough year. Lame call costs the Super Bowl and then we crush the Cardinals and can't even get into the playoffs with an 11 - 5 record. Hard to take from an 8 - 8 team.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:39:18 PM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | ...if Warner doesn't throw an interception at the half, even if they only get a field goal...that's a 10 point swing and there is no final drive...it was a very entertaing game regardless...good offense and defense...and plenty of personal fouls for everyone!!!
| | | TIMBONI wrote: | | | I have to say that I watched this game under protest. I can't believe the Cardinals even got into the playoffs with the record they had. The Steelers played like crap and were lucky to pull it out. That score should have been 35 -14 or something like that. That's what happens when my boys get left out of the playoffs with an 11 -5 record after totally destroying the Cardinals 47 - 7 ! |
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| [ron h] Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:39:18 PM | |
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...if Warner doesn't throw an interception at the half, even if they only get a field goal...that's a 10 point swing and there is no final drive...it was a very entertaing game regardless...good offense and defense...and plenty of personal fouls for everyone!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:29:47 PM)| | | TIMBONI wrote: | | | I have to say that I watched this game under protest. I can't believe the Cardinals even got into the playoffs with the record they had. The Steelers played like crap and were lucky to pull it out. That score should have been 35 -14 or something like that. That's what happens when my boys get left out of the playoffs with an 11 -5 record after totally destroying the Cardinals 47 - 7 ! |
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