Well now, it could very well be that a "lecture" is exactly what is needed in this instance? Clearly something should be said and I think that, for the most part, Ron, JD and Darth said it.

What on earth is wrong with you guys??? Look, I know there have been moments when we have been less than our best. Happens to everyone. Why in the world would otherwise intelligent, caring people become so vicious?? There have been "personal" moments for just about every member of this Board, myself included. I have read PMs that have saddened me, confused me and angered me. I know that there have been some "in-fights" that have really boiled down to misunderstanding.

I have always promoted "family" here. That is what I stand for and what I insist upon from all regular members. All families argue. This is NOT "Leave it to Beaver". Having said this, I still expect a level of maturity and decency from everyone. Now, does that mean I always get it? Of course not. I am just one guy. I have NO control over ANY of you. I will say this, you know I am right. In your hearts, you know that what I am saying is right. 

My sisters, please look inside yourselves. You know the truth about YOU. You cannot see inside another and, therefore, you must take each other at face value. Trust. As difficult as it may be, you must have trust in one another or there is NO way you can be a part of a family! Same goes for the guys! We are brothers here and, as such, we must have a level of trust. I am not asking that we all exchange bank account numbers...I am asking that we all care.

Well now, it could very well be that a "lecture" is exactly what is needed in this instance? Clearly something should be said and I think that, for the most part, Ron, JD and Darth said it.

What on earth is wrong with you guys??? Look, I know there have been moments when we have been less than our best. Happens to everyone. Why in the world would otherwise intelligent, caring people become so vicious?? There have been "personal" moments for just about every member of this Board, myself included. I have read PMs that have saddened me, confused me and angered me. I know that there have been some "in-fights" that have really boiled down to misunderstanding.

I have always promoted "family" here. That is what I stand for and what I insist upon from all regular members. All families argue. This is NOT "Leave it to Beaver". Having said this, I still expect a level of maturity and decency from everyone. Now, does that mean I always get it? Of course not. I am just one guy. I have NO control over ANY of you. I will say this, you know I am right. In your hearts, you know that what I am saying is right. 

My sisters, please look inside yourselves. You know the truth about YOU. You cannot see inside another and, therefore, you must take each other at face value. Trust. As difficult as it may be, you must have trust in one another or there is NO way you can be a part of a family! Same goes for the guys! We are brothers here and, as such, we must have a level of trust. I am not asking that we all exchange bank account numbers...I am asking that we all care.

Well put, J.D.!!!  I registered at the Q, but never received any confirmation of it.

And like I said earlier, I think Bev is a good person and I like her.  Yes, like a few of us....she is an emotional person.  MG and I are like that as well.  That wasn't my point though.  I found it just as interesting as Soy did that she jumped right in and said what she did to Soy's initial post.  I have read rumours about such nonsense before, but reading Bev's interchange with Soy leads me to believe that she's got a guilty conscienious and it's regarding what he said.  Maybe I'm wrong (and I hope I am) but until everyone involved comes clean, people are going to just ass-u-me otherwise.

Bev and MG...if you both are reading this.  Please post and let's clear the air once and for all about all of this.  I think it's well past the time for that to have occurred.  And I really don't want to have to call Freeze and drag him on here to lecture us.

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		I hear ya Darth,(lol!)but I don't think that it makes "us" or "the rest of us" look "foolish" to others who would like to join the site. As I've said....go over to the Halford "Q" and stay awhile...you will see the same things from time to time over there...actually if ya want to know the truth..it's worse over there than here overall.But the Halford Q is an awsome place to post and hang out,I don't hang out there.....I only have been there a couple of times just to see enough,thats it but it is a worthy site.It just proves that there is B.S. everywhere you go.   I remember when I logged onto the Mercyful Fate site 4 years ago...and a member posted a thread of the hair band "White Lion"(yuk! lol!) and alls I said was that I did'nt like "White Lion" and I posted a picture of "Boy George" and compared it to White Lion....the web master "banned my account"!!! Just for that? HA HA HA! That brings back funny memories!!  But it proves that bull shit happens not just here,but everywhere.  Let the people that want to purposely cause B.S. do thier thing,you don't have to respond to them.What ticks them off,is if you "do not reply" to thier posts. I think Bev is an emotional person and that is not a bad thing,that is a "good" thing here.It just proves that we are all different in many ways and some people get fired up more than others. So be it,but understand what you are posting before you post.  Bev is a great member here just like all the rest. So if somebody logs onto this site and is thinking about joining in,then don't let posts such as below discourage you,there are a number of veteran members here that will back you up and support you the whole way man.I'm one of them.  It's ok to have a difference of opinion,but as I've said before...to those who are upset by being here,maybe you have to ask yourselves "is this the right place for you to be".. I hope that it is,it is for me but again,everybody is entitled to thier own opinion...even thier own opinion about if this site is the right place for them. If these members keep logging onto this site and alls they do is get in an argument,then maybe it's time they asked themselves "is this the right place for me to relax and enjoy myself"???  If not,then thats ok too. Never the less,we will be glad that we got to meet them,and look forwards to meeting the newest member!    (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Friday, March 13, 2009 4:03:49 AM)   Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:   Me neither Strat.  I would like to think that we are all better people than that.  Personally, I cannot understand why people (especially grown ones!) have to act this way.  It's really disheartening and it makes us all look foolish to others who would like to join the site.  Life and even the internet, is soooooooo much bigger than our petty jealousies and insecurities.      _strat_ wrote:   I second thyat. Like we dont have enough problems with shitdisturbers from outside, now were going to have a "civil war" between regulars... Ffs... Im really surprised at Bev, tho. I wouldnt expect that kind of bullshit from her.       J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   Hey Vaillant 3.0....Bev...Solent Green and Metalgodess.....(lol)not trying to irritate you guys,but all 4 of you have actually started "this friction" between nobody else but "yourselves"! Yes,it's true....not to worry,some people get caught up in various things...this just happens to be yours,thats all. If someone wants to stir up B.S. here,then ignore them.Whats funny is that you don't have to get worked up about it.  Just stop causing friction and have a good time,whats wrong with that? Nothing...  Before all 4 of you got tangled up in arguing,this place has been silent.If you think someone posts something to cause problems,just ignore the post and post something cool,or whatever..its entirely up to nobody else but "you".  As I've said before,these kinds of friction are everywhere...but if this place makes you soooo unhappy then nobody is keeping you here....you can search for the "perfect" website where nobody has a difference of opinion right?  Rock on guys!! Edited at: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:51:59 AM Edited at: Friday, March 13, 2009 4:31:25 AM

Hmmmmmmmmm....ANDBEFORE ANYBODY JUMPS ON HER,I'M AFAID I'D HAVE TO AGREE WITH MY FRIEND FROM WINNIPEG...OH YES,WE AND AT LEAST A DOZEN OR SO OTHER MEMBERS KNOW WHAT'S PROWLING AROUND HERE...A SMALL SELECT GROUP OF MALE AND FEMALE MEMBERS PLAYING THEIR SOCIOPATHIC GAMES,TRYING TO TURN MEMBER AGAINST MEMBER,
THAT'S EXACTLY WHY SEVERAL HAVE LEFT...TIS' A SHAME THESE SO-CALLED ADULTS DO THIS...THE WHOLE "WHAT LITTLE OL' ME?-FLUFFY-BUNNY ACT ATITUDE DOESN'T REALLY WASH YA' KNOW...BUT I'M SURE IT WILL CONTINUE UNFORCHEWANEIGHTLEE!...

		MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
		Actuallly Knowing what goes on in here I would prob throw-up like that..   Hence the reason I dont come out here hardly Anymore..  If I wanted to deal with childish behaivior Id have a kid of my own.. I think some people need to get a FRICKEN life, and quit creating tons of false e-mail addy's and user names and have multiple accounts to make themselves look good. And to keep adding Ignores to peoples account.   YES I see through the bullshit..... As do many I'm sure..   If you cant appreciate the Music and the band, and enjoy good jokes and conversation... Then you dont belong here..  People come out here to relax and enjoy others company through chat.. Not to be harrassed..  Good Day!  MG~

Actuallly Knowing what goes on in here I would prob throw-up like that..
 
Hence the reason I dont come out here hardly Anymore..  If I wanted to deal with childish behaivior Id have a kid of my own.. I think some people need to get a FRICKEN life, and quit creating tons of false e-mail addy's and user names and have multiple accounts to make themselves look good. And to keep adding Ignores to peoples account.   YES I see through the bullshit..... As do many I'm sure..   If you cant appreciate the Music and the band, and enjoy good jokes and conversation... Then you dont belong here..  People come out here to relax and enjoy others company through chat.. Not to be harrassed.. 

Good Day!  MG~

Actuallly Knowing what goes on in here I would prob throw-up like that..
 
Hence the reason I dont come out here hardly Anymore..  If I wanted to deal with childish behaivior Id have a kid of my own.. I think some people need to get a FRICKEN life, and quit creating tons of false e-mail addy's and user names and have multiple accounts to make themselves look good. And to keep adding Ignores to peoples account.   YES I see through the bullshit..... As do many I'm sure..   If you cant appreciate the Music and the band, and enjoy good jokes and conversation... Then you dont belong here..  People come out here to relax and enjoy others company through chat.. Not to be harrassed.. 

Good Day!  MG~

Even I  tried to get him to come back!  I sent him an email, told him I would never post again on JP.com if he would come back.  Alas, he wrote and said something about having been crucified in public and didn't have time for this place.
He or someone on his behalf must think very highly of you JD, having taken on your monacar (a modified version anyway) and is using it on the account he used ... (refer to thong thread, social issues, etc)

Crucify me if you will - just calling it like I sees it!  LOL

(ps ... Not sure how you all feel about it. But I am so fucking tired of phonies, fakers, and stupid head games!  It makes my stomach turn thinking about adults ... ah, it's not worth anymore of my time or energy.)

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		One missing member who we sadly may never see a return from is the infamous "Winnipeg Warrior" aka Darryn Heloffs. Why is this member missed by so many? Because of the constant charisma he brought to the table....he's the one who taught me how to post pictures ect... Winnipeg Warrior....if your out there...a hellacious "hails" to you my friend and your pressence is deeply missed here. Hope your doing well and our thoughts and metal ways are forever with you!!!  Rock on Warrior!!! JD DIAMOND!

HEY JOHN, WELCOME BACK YOU YOU TOO!

IT'S A GREAT DAY IN THE LAND OF THE METAL GODS

RON AND JOHN BOTH BACK

Anthony ...  Thanks.
(Not getting any easier, as I would have hoped.)
I'm just clinging on to sanity by the skin of my teeth ... ha-ha.

Some days are better than others, but it's a tough go...

Didn't help much when Colley borrowed a movie this weekend called, "U-Turn", where Sean Penn gets a couple fingers cut off about a 1/2 hour into the movie.  Yeah... When I realized what was happening, I kind of lost it and became a big, sobbing mess on the floor ...

Wasn't too funny at the time, but Colley jumped up with a horrified look on his face saying, "I didn't know, I didn't know!"  Kind of funny now though...  Needless to say, we haven't watched the end yet...  That was just too close to home for comfort.

Then there's smashing what's left of my 'finger' into things.  Oh yeah, now that's fun.  Holy hell... it's like stubbing a toe, but 100% more pain, for 100x longer.  Note to self, "Gotta stop doing that."

So, all in all, with help from my angels out there (you know who you are...) I stay out of the "black hole" that's ever present and threatening ... and I just sit on the edge, trying to put space between us.

However, a stranger went out of his way to be nice to me yesterday.  I had been a bit rude, which did not warrant his kindness.  But, his small gesture of caring regardless of my own behaviour, at such a critical moment (perhaps, he sensed a breaking point?), went a long way towards me looking at the world and my own situation in a better light.

You just never know when doing something good, however small, will help someone in ways you can't imagine.  He may have helped me turn that corner... At the very least, he reaffirmed some of my faith in humanity.
So, for today, my tears are of gratitude for being lucky enough to have people care.  Thanks to my Angels without wings....

		scorpion01 wrote:
		THINGS ARE GOING WELL! THIS TIME OF THE YEAR I GET A LITTLE CRAZY BEING AN ACCOUNTANT. WE ARE A LITTLE CRAZIER THIS YEAR WITH OUR COMPANY TRYING TO GO PUBLIC. HOW DO YOU FEEL? SOUNDS LIKE  YOU ARE DOING WELL.      WhiskeyWoman wrote: Hey Scorpion!  (you sweet thing, you!) So good to see you again!  Ron gave me your message... kind of kicked my butt to get back here.  Missed you kind folks around here... Now, *his* pc is down and the last chess move he made was Monday morning... MIA for almost two weeks now! Hope things are good with you?      scorpion01 wrote: WELCOME BACK WHISKEY WOMAN. THE BOARD WAS NOT THE SAME WITHOUT YOU.

Thanks, HB ... that's what I thought.

With my luck (or lack, thereof...), my company would probably be fined, and my claim denied.  You're absolutely right.  Can't win for trying!

Are you ready for the snow!?

		Head banger wrote:
		yeah, the more I thought about it, WCB would probably fine the company and deny you for something.  double jepordy.      WhiskeyWoman wrote: Yep.  Small world, that's for sure! A lot to be said for that seven degrees of separation thing... (Couldn't agree more on the WCB-thing.  So, I'll count my blessings, instead of dollars!  Oh yeah, that's much better, lol! )      Head banger wrote: interesting small world.  crappy deal.  Well, WCB sucks, look on the bright side, you dont have to deal with them.  I could sleep all the way to airdrie, no one would know.      WhiskeyWoman wrote: dead rear = Red Deer ... okay, I get it now.  Ha-ha... I have to go there for physio at the hospital.  Pretty much takes the whole freakin' day...  1.5 hours of driving, one way a couple of times a week. I was injured as owner of the company, with no extra WCB coverage for myself.  Great, eh?  Worked out well...  I'm sure losing a body part is worth some bucks, but I'll never find out.   So, if I can quote our ever-eloquent Stratlover here... "fuckity-fuck-fuck".  No, not pissed about that at all...  Doesn't bother me one little bit...  Yep, Reid was one of the builders we worked for.  (Don't worry, at least it wasn't Albi -- they really suck!  Trico's probably the best.)  Glad to hear the plumbing's good.  Quite likely we did your house! How cool is that?  I really do think I recognize the address...  Anyway,  Wm. Schmidt Mech. would have contracted out the plumbing & heating. No sleeping on the way home!!!!  You *know* how the QEII gets on Friday afternoons!  Take care out there...      Head banger wrote:   Do, or did.  perhaps they used someone elses building, dunno.  it was about 12 years ago.  I never lived there, dad had an office there for a while, why masons there, dunno, but he attended there for a while.  then again, he attended all kinds of places. dead rear=red deer the plumbing in our house will probably out last most of the rest.  builder was Reid.  they Suck. plumbing works though.  roofer on the other hand.... going home soon, thank (insert apropriate deity).  although, the drive is exciting enough to sleep all the way.      WhiskeyWoman wrote: Hi HB ... hey, we have/had a Mason's Lodge out here!?  No kidding...  where the hell?  Are you sure?? And your Dad lived/died out here!?  (HB, I'm sorry to hear that, btw.)  Did you ever live here ...? There's only 648 people in this town (oops!) village, just how do they manage to hide something like a that, like... a building?  Lol...  I wonder if it's the old dance studio we replaced all the plumbing in... We came here (dead rear??? lol...) because we found a beauty house for a great price and couldn't afford anything quite like it in Calgary a few years ago (just before the prices went sky-high), we're not big fans of the city, and it seemed like the area needed an exceptional plumber.  Ta da! You know what?  I think either we, or the company we worked for, plumbed *your* particular house!  No shit.  We did tonnes of houses in that "Wise-wood" area, (get it...?!) If the plumbing's excellent in your house, with no problems ... then we did it!  yay...! (Easy enough to figure out, by who the builder was.) Are you on your way home for the weekend?  Yay!!!  Drive safe.      Head banger wrote: out your way, nope, not since my dad died.  he was a member of the masons lodge there.   dead rear, why would you go there?      WhiskeyWoman wrote: Thanks Bev... Hey, HB & Guido!  Hi guyz....  Thanks. HB, I appreciate the offer ... and I'm pretty good at laundry, so it sounds like a fair trade.  Must get to your place before Christmas and give you that magazine, if you still want it.  (Sorry, always in a hurry and usually going the other way to Red Deer!  You ever get out this way?) Take care you guyz.