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[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:26:37 PM
Motorhead Bastards 2003
Even though technically Lemmy says they are not heavy metal.....motorhead's new wave of british heavy metal sound leaks through from time to time .....
Motorhead has a dirty greasy biker rock feel to them and some riffs dip in and out of british styled heavy metal but not so much that gets your mind off of thier brand of excellent hard rock.
Motorhead has every right to be in this thread. Shit....even Def Leppard's High And Dry could fit in this thread and would not be an insult as much as "Winger".
This album is a great Motorhead album.12 songs on this disc and there are only 3 tracks I don't care for...but the other 9 songs are classic Motorhead.
Tracks like the opener "On Your Feet Or On Your Knees"....."Burner"......."I Am The Sword"....."Born To Raise Hell"......awsome album.
My classic metal album of the day is Bastards - Motorhead (1993).
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:28:52 PM Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:30:36 PM
[Becks] Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:23:10 PM
I'm making gingerbread men at the moment, I want to make one that looks like Bret Michaels so I can have the satisfaction of chomping his head off LOL! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:15:19 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
POISON....
I thought they were girls when I first saw the album and videos.... thought Kip was a chick too!!
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:21:17 PM
LOL Becks!! Yeah becks,spapad,Hot Rockin'.........I wouldn't of said anything if Winger would of been posted in another thread about all types of albums bands ..ect...
....but he tries to put Winger in a thread called "Classic Heavy Metal Album Of The Day"? No way. What an insult.
LOL J.D!
While I have heard worse bands than Winger, putting them in here is almost akin to putting this in here:
Cos ya know, Bret Michaels is hard core metal........................
OOPS big pic sorry. This album cover actually makes me feel ill. Yuck.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
You are a complete idiot Craig Wagenhoffer. You have no respect for this thread and are only here to cause problems like a childish fucking troublemaker who has low self esteem.
It doesn't matter how "good" the guitar player in "Winger " is...the point is "you" have "no idea" what real true traditional heavy metal is at all,and are trying to match wits with somebody
as myself who "does know" what bands/albums belong in this thread. This is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL" thread..and "Winger" is not a "heavy metal band".....they are a trend band that
grasped onto the mid 80's ride with the rest of the glam movement from L.A.....Winger isn't even a classic "rock" band.....they are a bunch of posers who were an embarrassment....like you.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
"They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake."
That's a rediculous statement. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. This is Reb Beach playing the guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWGQWu6mSWM It's pure genious. Reb Beach easily equals Ken Downing, Glenn Tipton, Eddie Van Halen and all the others. There's no way you can deny that.
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey there J.D. I see the fireworks have gone off here as well as outside...Happy 4TH!!!
Why the hell would anyone want to embarass themselves by posting a band like Winger here defies logic!!! And then pick on 2 of Priest's weakest albums and that some how justifies anything???? They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake...lol!!!!
Probably some young punk who doesn't understand the WAY...but if he's an older guy...all I can do is hope he hasn't reproduced!!!!!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:58:38 PM
[spapad] Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:18:52 PM
I still think the Winger post belonged in the Confessional, with the introduction: Please Forgive Me Oh Metal God, but I am a closet Winger Fan" after all by his own words he said, 'I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels' Perfect for the Confessional! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:15:19 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
POISON....
I thought they were girls when I first saw the album and videos.... thought Kip was a chick too!!
[jimmyjames] Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:17:56 PM
My classic metal album of the day is Bastards - Motorhead (1993).
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:15:19 PM
POISON....
I thought they were girls when I first saw the album and videos.... thought Kip was a chick too!!
[spapad] Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:12:41 PM
Run AWAY!!! It's Patny Hose, and Big Hair Rock! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:02:13 PM)
Becks wrote:
LOL J.D!
While I have heard worse bands than Winger, putting them in here is almost akin to putting this in here:
Cos ya know, Bret Michaels is hard core metal........................
OOPS big pic sorry. This album cover actually makes me feel ill. Yuck.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
You are a complete idiot Craig Wagenhoffer. You have no respect for this thread and are only here to cause problems like a childish fucking troublemaker who has low self esteem.
It doesn't matter how "good" the guitar player in "Winger " is...the point is "you" have "no idea" what real true traditional heavy metal is at all,and are trying to match wits with somebody
as myself who "does know" what bands/albums belong in this thread. This is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL" thread..and "Winger" is not a "heavy metal band".....they are a trend band that
grasped onto the mid 80's ride with the rest of the glam movement from L.A.....Winger isn't even a classic "rock" band.....they are a bunch of posers who were an embarrassment....like you.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
"They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake."
That's a rediculous statement. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. This is Reb Beach playing the guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWGQWu6mSWM It's pure genious. Reb Beach easily equals Ken Downing, Glenn Tipton, Eddie Van Halen and all the others. There's no way you can deny that.
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey there J.D. I see the fireworks have gone off here as well as outside...Happy 4TH!!!
Why the hell would anyone want to embarass themselves by posting a band like Winger here defies logic!!! And then pick on 2 of Priest's weakest albums and that some how justifies anything???? They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake...lol!!!!
Probably some young punk who doesn't understand the WAY...but if he's an older guy...all I can do is hope he hasn't reproduced!!!!!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:58:38 PM
[Becks] Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:02:13 PM
LOL J.D!
While I have heard worse bands than Winger, putting them in here is almost akin to putting this in here:
Cos ya know, Bret Michaels is hard core metal........................
OOPS big pic sorry. This album cover actually makes me feel ill. Yuck. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:53:10 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
You are a complete idiot Craig Wagenhoffer. You have no respect for this thread and are only here to cause problems like a childish fucking troublemaker who has low self esteem.
It doesn't matter how "good" the guitar player in "Winger " is...the point is "you" have "no idea" what real true traditional heavy metal is at all,and are trying to match wits with somebody
as myself who "does know" what bands/albums belong in this thread. This is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL" thread..and "Winger" is not a "heavy metal band".....they are a trend band that
grasped onto the mid 80's ride with the rest of the glam movement from L.A.....Winger isn't even a classic "rock" band.....they are a bunch of posers who were an embarrassment....like you.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
"They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake."
That's a rediculous statement. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. This is Reb Beach playing the guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWGQWu6mSWM It's pure genious. Reb Beach easily equals Ken Downing, Glenn Tipton, Eddie Van Halen and all the others. There's no way you can deny that.
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey there J.D. I see the fireworks have gone off here as well as outside...Happy 4TH!!!
Why the hell would anyone want to embarass themselves by posting a band like Winger here defies logic!!! And then pick on 2 of Priest's weakest albums and that some how justifies anything???? They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake...lol!!!!
Probably some young punk who doesn't understand the WAY...but if he's an older guy...all I can do is hope he hasn't reproduced!!!!!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:58:38 PM
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:56:11 PM
Even Wikpedia does not classify WINGER as CLASSIC HEAVY METAL. Something MOST of us already knew, but apparently SOMEONE needs to see it in black and white, so here you go! ENOUGH SAID!!
Then post it in another fucking thread dude...is it that fucking hard to understand? Dude...are you retarded? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:44:39 PM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Classic metal, classic heavy metal, classic rock, hair metal,... Who the fuck cares? I don't care what it's called. These guys play solid drumlines, catchy riffs and killer guitar solos. They rock!
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey Craig...look at the name again...J.D. is different than JD...JD is the most respected member in name only, as a man he's a tool and is deserving of nobodies respect!!!!
The J.D. you are engeged with is a hell of a guy and you'd be well served to understand his intent...as he is dead on correct.
By NOBODY'S standard is Winger in any way, shape or form considered a Classic Metal Band...hell, Kip will tell you that himself. So why are you so stubborn about something the band itself witll tell you your wrong???
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
I like a healthy debate, but I will not continue this discussion with you. You simply can't have a mature debate with someone who uses double standards and likes to call people names. We will simply have to agree to disagree. End of story.
I noticed that you are the most respected member of this board, but I couldn't care less about that. You don't own this place. Better keep that in mind, buddy. This section of the board is called "Beyond the realms of Priest" for a reason. So in this section I can post anything I want. And besides: everybody has his own definition of classic heavy metal. It's a personal thing. To me "Winger" is definitely a part of that movement, which means I have every right to post in here.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:58:38 PM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:53:10 PM
You are a complete idiot Craig Wagenhoffer. You have no respect for this thread and are only here to cause problems like a childish fucking troublemaker who has low self esteem.
It doesn't matter how "good" the guitar player in "Winger " is...the point is "you" have "no idea" what real true traditional heavy metal is at all,and are trying to match wits with somebody
as myself who "does know" what bands/albums belong in this thread. This is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL" thread..and "Winger" is not a "heavy metal band".....they are a trend band that
grasped onto the mid 80's ride with the rest of the glam movement from L.A.....Winger isn't even a classic "rock" band.....they are a bunch of posers who were an embarrassment....like you. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:40:16 PM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
"They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake."
That's a rediculous statement. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. This is Reb Beach playing the guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWGQWu6mSWM It's pure genious. Reb Beach easily equals Ken Downing, Glenn Tipton, Eddie Van Halen and all the others. There's no way you can deny that.
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey there J.D. I see the fireworks have gone off here as well as outside...Happy 4TH!!!
Why the hell would anyone want to embarass themselves by posting a band like Winger here defies logic!!! And then pick on 2 of Priest's weakest albums and that some how justifies anything???? They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake...lol!!!!
Probably some young punk who doesn't understand the WAY...but if he's an older guy...all I can do is hope he hasn't reproduced!!!!!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:58:38 PM
[ron h] Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:44:42 PM
Yeah, I read that before...but finish reading my post and answer the question...why are you arguing a point that Kip himself would cede???? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:40:16 PM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
"They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake."
That's a rediculous statement. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. This is Reb Beach playing the guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWGQWu6mSWM It's pure genious. Reb Beach easily equals Ken Downing, Glenn Tipton, Eddie Van Halen and all the others. There's no way you can deny that.
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey there J.D. I see the fireworks have gone off here as well as outside...Happy 4TH!!!
Why the hell would anyone want to embarass themselves by posting a band like Winger here defies logic!!! And then pick on 2 of Priest's weakest albums and that some how justifies anything???? They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake...lol!!!!
Probably some young punk who doesn't understand the WAY...but if he's an older guy...all I can do is hope he hasn't reproduced!!!!!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:58:38 PM
[Craig Wagenhoffer] Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:44:39 PM
Classic metal, classic heavy metal, classic rock, hair metal,... Who the fuck cares? I don't care what it's called. These guys play solid drumlines, catchy riffs and killer guitar solos. They rock! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:32:56 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey Craig...look at the name again...J.D. is different than JD...JD is the most respected member in name only, as a man he's a tool and is deserving of nobodies respect!!!!
The J.D. you are engeged with is a hell of a guy and you'd be well served to understand his intent...as he is dead on correct.
By NOBODY'S standard is Winger in any way, shape or form considered a Classic Metal Band...hell, Kip will tell you that himself. So why are you so stubborn about something the band itself witll tell you your wrong???
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
I like a healthy debate, but I will not continue this discussion with you. You simply can't have a mature debate with someone who uses double standards and likes to call people names. We will simply have to agree to disagree. End of story.
I noticed that you are the most respected member of this board, but I couldn't care less about that. You don't own this place. Better keep that in mind, buddy. This section of the board is called "Beyond the realms of Priest" for a reason. So in this section I can post anything I want. And besides: everybody has his own definition of classic heavy metal. It's a personal thing. To me "Winger" is definitely a part of that movement, which means I have every right to post in here.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:58:38 PM
[Craig Wagenhoffer] Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:40:16 PM
"They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake."
That's a rediculous statement. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. This is Reb Beach playing the guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWGQWu6mSWM It's pure genious. Reb Beach easily equals Ken Downing, Glenn Tipton, Eddie Van Halen and all the others. There's no way you can deny that. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:23:22 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey there J.D. I see the fireworks have gone off here as well as outside...Happy 4TH!!!
Why the hell would anyone want to embarass themselves by posting a band like Winger here defies logic!!! And then pick on 2 of Priest's weakest albums and that some how justifies anything???? They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake...lol!!!!
Probably some young punk who doesn't understand the WAY...but if he's an older guy...all I can do is hope he hasn't reproduced!!!!!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:58:38 PM
[ron h] Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:32:56 PM
Hey Craig...look at the name again...J.D. is different than JD...JD is the most respected member in name only, as a man he's a tool and is deserving of nobodies respect!!!!
The J.D. you are engeged with is a hell of a guy and you'd be well served to understand his intent...as he is dead on correct.
By NOBODY'S standard is Winger in any way, shape or form considered a Classic Metal Band...hell, Kip will tell you that himself. So why are you so stubborn about something the band itself witll tell you your wrong??? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:24:55 PM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
I like a healthy debate, but I will not continue this discussion with you. You simply can't have a mature debate with someone who uses double standards and likes to call people names. We will simply have to agree to disagree. End of story.
I noticed that you are the most respected member of this board, but I couldn't care less about that. You don't own this place. Better keep that in mind, buddy. This section of the board is called "Beyond the realms of Priest" for a reason. So in this section I can post anything I want. And besides: everybody has his own definition of classic heavy metal. It's a personal thing. To me "Winger" is definitely a part of that movement, which means I have every right to post in here.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:58:38 PM
[Craig Wagenhoffer] Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:24:55 PM
I like a healthy debate, but I will not continue this discussion with you. You simply can't have a mature debate with someone who uses double standards and likes to call people names. We will simply have to agree to disagree. End of story.
I noticed that you are the most respected member of this board, but I couldn't care less about that. You don't own this place. Better keep that in mind, buddy. This section of the board is called "Beyond the realms of Priest" for a reason. So in this section I can post anything I want. And besides: everybody has his own definition of classic heavy metal. It's a personal thing. To me "Winger" is definitely a part of that movement, which means I have every right to post in here. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:57:45 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:58:38 PM
[ron h] Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:23:22 PM
Hey there J.D. I see the fireworks have gone off here as well as outside...Happy 4TH!!!
Why the hell would anyone want to embarass themselves by posting a band like Winger here defies logic!!! And then pick on 2 of Priest's weakest albums and that some how justifies anything???? They couldn't tune Priests' guitars for Pete's sake...lol!!!!
Probably some young punk who doesn't understand the WAY...but if he's an older guy...all I can do is hope he hasn't reproduced!!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:57:45 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:58:38 PM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:58:27 PM
Yeah Darryn,I'd love having a deleate button for this thread! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by FreakyMetalHead from Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:26:01 PM)
FreakyMetalHead wrote:
Hey J.D.! How's it going??
Believe me when I say that "I feel your pain"!! LOL!!!! And I have a great idea to solve this problem! Check it out! Now we will have to run this by Murray for approval first but check it out! Whoever creates a thread like say "The Classic Heavy Metal Thread" has the ability to delete a post he doesn't approve of!!!! Thats right!! Complete control of the thread!!! LMAO dude!!! Kind of like a mini moderator of the thread!! So when some poser comes along and post something like say "Winger" ROFL!!!....with just a click of a button.....it is gone!!! Bam!!!!! And by no means am I calling Mista Wagenhoffer a poser, Just used that for an example. By the way..enjoyed the Reb Beach video!! So what do you think J.D.??? I think it would work!!! I think it would be a blast just sittin here hittin that delete button when I see a post I don't like!! LOL dude!!! Give it some thought J.D. and let me know what you think. (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:51:25 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:58:38 PM
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:39:05 PM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:57:45 PM
Yes dumbshit yes........"Rob K.K. Glenn Ian and Dave Holland were all 5 a bunch of "posers" with the "Turbo" album. And the "Turbo album" doesn't belong in the "Classic Heavy Metal Thread" either!
Rob & company were a bunch of posers for the entire Turbo era...it was equally cheesy as "Winger"...... ...But the rebounded with the Ram It Down album even though it was not that great of an album...the had thier image back and thier sound was returning to a normal heavy metal album...yes Love Zone and I'm A Rocker was lame....but the band had thier studs and spikes back and thier sound was beginning to pave way for Painkiller.
Not to mention...Love Zone and I'm A Rocker blows away anything "Winger" has ever done.
So what the fuck are you trying to prove here.....??? Nothing is the answer. You thought you were cute for posting a shit band and shit album in the classic heavy metal thread and you got slapped in the puffer for it!
I am a "guardian" of classic traditional heavy metal done the traditional way by the masters of this art. Who the fuck are YOU for questioning "MY knowlege" within the realm of heavy metal or metal in general anyways you Winger loving
unmetal supporting glam nostalgic retro trend poser!!!?? What the fuck don't you understand about not posting a non-classic heavy metal band in this thread? Are you fucking retarted? Fuck.
Its not "rocket science" guy....get a fucking clue.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:58:38 PM
[Craig Wagenhoffer] Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:31:44 PM
Okay, fair enough.
If I follow your logic Judas Priest became a full-blown poser band in 1986 when they released the "Lemon". Yah, I'm talking about Turbo. That album is a 1980's cheesefest. Everything about the Turbo era was cheesy: the outfits, the hairdos, the girly metal look, the "check out my hairless chest" outfits... The only thing Rob did back then was walking around with that silly mullet. It was even a million times cheesier than any Winger record. It was so cheesy that it made me cringe everytime I heard it. It was so cheesy that I decided to throw my copy in the trashcan. Ram It Down wasn't any better! "Love Zone", anyone? LMAO!
Winger definitely represents a certain genre that a certain group of people don't like. But at least they sticked to their guns and always continued to release melodic metal albums, even in the early nineties when everybody jumped on the alternative bandwagon. Rob Halford on the other hand has followed just about every trend in rock music. He released heavy metal albums when heavy metal reigned supreme during the early eighties. During the mid eighties glam became all the rage and he decided to put out a glam album in 1986... and another one in 1988... During the early nineties he suddenly became "alternative" and released a few grunge albums with Fight. After that he changed styles again by releasing a trendy industrial record. And so on... and so on... According to your logic this makes Rob one of the biggest posers in rock history. Now how do you live with that?
Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:58:38 PM
[FreakyMetalHead] Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:26:01 PM
Hey J.D.! How's it going??
Believe me when I say that "I feel your pain"!! LOL!!!! And I have a great idea to solve this problem! Check it out! Now we will have to run this by Murray for approval first but check it out! Whoever creates a thread like say "The Classic Heavy Metal Thread" has the ability to delete a post he doesn't approve of!!!! Thats right!! Complete control of the thread!!! LMAO dude!!! Kind of like a mini moderator of the thread!! So when some poser comes along and post something like say "Winger" ROFL!!!....with just a click of a button.....it is gone!!! Bam!!!!! And by no means am I calling Mista Wagenhoffer a poser, Just used that for an example. By the way..enjoyed the Reb Beach video!! So what do you think J.D.??? I think it would work!!! I think it would be a blast just sittin here hittin that delete button when I see a post I don't like!! LOL dude!!! Give it some thought J.D. and let me know what you think. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:51:25 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:58:38 PM
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:39:05 PM
[spapad] Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:53:40 PM
Yah, know, I think that Winger post would have been perfect for the Confessional page. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:27:41 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I agree,I don't care if somebody posts a "Winger" topic as long as its not in this thread called "classic heavy metal album of the day"!!
So its "HEAVY METAL'S territory in here.......any "posers" will take that risk!!
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
J.D.
WINGER?????? WTF?
This is a CLASSIC HEAVY METAL thread. Stick to the topic PLEASE?
I myself am going to go listen to a CLASSIC HEAVY METAL album - Sad Wings of Destiny (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:51:25 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:58:38 PM
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:25:25 PM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:27:41 PM
I agree,I don't care if somebody posts a "Winger" topic as long as its not in this thread called "classic heavy metal album of the day"!!
So its "HEAVY METAL'S territory in here.......any "posers" will take that risk!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:18:33 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
J.D.
WINGER?????? WTF?
This is a CLASSIC HEAVY METAL thread. Stick to the topic PLEASE?
I myself am going to go listen to a CLASSIC HEAVY METAL album - Sad Wings of Destiny (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:51:25 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:58:38 PM
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:25:25 PM
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:18:33 PM
J.D.
WINGER?????? WTF?
This is a CLASSIC HEAVY METAL thread. Stick to the topic PLEASE?
I myself am going to go listen to a CLASSIC HEAVY METAL album - Sad Wings of Destiny [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:51:25 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
(Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:58:38 PM
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:25:25 PM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:51:25 PM
Look guy.....this is a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"!!! I don't give a flying "FUCK" if the guys from "Winger" are great musicians or not,"Winger" are a bunch of "posers" that are an "embarrassment" to the entire rock community.
"White Lion's" guitarist was an excellent musician but he was a "poser".......most of the poser bands back then were great guitarists...that doesn't mean that they were good "song writters".
"Dream Theater" are a bunch of posers as well. And so the fuck what if Kip was a bass player for Alice Cooper......what does that mean? Nothing.
Calling stellar musicians posers is not at all "childish"....it a respect for the spirit of traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest. What are you going to post next "Poison? Pssssssfff what the fuck ever. All the guys in the shit band "Winger"
are fuckin "posers"...with thier big hair,girl cloths and "poser dancing on thier MTV videos".
Obviously you have no clue as to what this "thread" is all about. And obviously you don't have a clue as to what "traditional heavy metal" is all about or you wouldn't of posted a "Winger" topic in the "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD".
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
Edited at: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:58:38 PM
[Craig Wagenhoffer] Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:47:41 AM
Posers eh? Dude WTF? It's fine if you don't like Winger, but calling them posers is just plain wrong. They're all great musicians. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. There is a reason why they were called the glam version of Dream Theater.
Reb Beach is a guitar virtuoso. That man is up there with Eddie Van Halen, KK Downing, Glenn Tipton and George Lynch. You don't believe me? Check it out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8q0Mb_uOG8 This man is a class act and you can't deny that after watching that video.
Kip Winger himself is one of the greatest rock n' roll singers of the 1980's. He played bass on several Alice Cooper records. Is Alice Cooper a poser too?
Rod Morgenstein is a great drummer. He's plays the drum kit left handed like it's nothing. He's a professor teaching percussion at Berklee College of Music in Boston. You might not like the man, but he's no poser.
Look dude, we all have our own tastes, but you should really loosen up and stop talking like a fundamentalist. It's okay if you don't like certains bands and certain genres, but calling four stellar musicians posers is just childish. I mean: I'm really not into Schubert's music, but I will never call the man a poser, because it is so obvious that he was a very gifted musician.
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, July 03, 2009 7:02:13 PM
Sorry Craig,but "Winger" is nowhere near a rock band,they are a bunch of posers who got lucky in the big hair era of commercialism and I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it,I'm just saying that this thread is a "Classic heavy metal album" thread....not a haven for such glam bands as "Winger". You notched down my Running Wild post a couple of notches for freakin' "Winger"?
Couldn't you of posted this somewhere else besides a "CLASSIC HEAVY METAL THREAD"? I would for one,appreciate it alot more if you would of,not trying to start a fight with you Craig....
I am a passinate heavy metal fan and I mean "TRADITIONAL CLASSIC HEAVY METAL FAN" like our elite forum member 'HELLRIDER"......and "Winger " is an "insult" to this thread.
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
[Craig Wagenhoffer] Friday, July 03, 2009 4:26:13 PM
My classic metal album of the day:
Okay, no respectable metalhead alive in 1988 would admit they liked this obvious attempt at pop metal. I know I never did. But to tell the truth, while everybody, including myself, was mocking this album, I was secretly rocking it in my car at maximum levels. LOL! While there is no doubt that Winger's debut is pop metal to the maximum, it's really not that bad. It’s actually quite enjoyable. Winger featured four stellar musicians, especially RebBeach. Nobody can deny that Reb was one of the best guitar players of the 1980’s. That guy had tons of talent.
[METALMANJP] Thursday, July 02, 2009 3:51:15 PM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, July 02, 2009 3:34:24 PM
RUNNING WILD MASQUERADE 1995
This is Running Wild's best album out of the band's 13 studio album career.
The album is very new wave of british heavy metal orienated and is Germany's answer for Judas Priest Iron Maiden and Saxon with having these 3 band's influences leaking throughout the album but maintaining the band's original style here as well,a perfect blend the way it should be.Not a "rip off" in any way here.....
There are 11 songs on the album and it starts off with an intro
1. The Contract/The Crypts Of Hades
2. Masquerade
3. Demonized
4. Black Soul
5. Lions Of The Sea
6.Rebel At Heart-The only lame track on the album
7. Wheel Of Doom
8. Metalhead
9. Soleil Royel
10.Men In Black
11.Underworld
A great heavy metal album done the traditional way with only 1 bad song out of 11.....this is a perfect example of heavy metal done the right way and all "10" songs are excellent in each of thier own way....its very rewarding listening to these 10 songs all the way through........
Rolf Kasperek's vocals are awsome and could remind at some times maybe like X-Iron Maiden vocalist "Paul Di Anno" if I had to describe.
Definately for fans of all 3 bands "Judas Priest,Saxon and Iron Maiden".
If you are a fan of all 3 bands...definately check this record out....
[jimmyjames] Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:23:13 PM
My classic metal album of the day is Red Album - Baroness ( 2007 ).
Anyone who hasn't heard these guys before should check them out, great band.
[mgdman] Sunday, June 28, 2009 9:55:53 PM
My Classic Metal Album of the Day---
Kill Em' All Metallica 1983
[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:45:38 PM
Yeah,I remember getting into this album in 1982/83...this is a very great album for Black Sabbath.
I still think that Heaven & Hell is the ultimate Black Sabbath album!
[DelivererofEvil] Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:23:34 AM
Hey J.D.
I still think that Heaven & Hell is the ultimate Black Sabbath album!
[Chinese metal] Friday, June 26, 2009 9:43:39 PM
screamin' for vangence~~, I can listen to it from 11 at night to the next morning
[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, June 26, 2009 5:05:02 PM
KING DIAMOND "THE PUPPET MASTER" 2003
There are 12 King Diamond studio albums....I like 3 of them....Fatal Portrait,Voodoo and 2003's "The Puppet Master".
This album is like watching a morbid dark play from the 18th century!! This is a heavy metal album sprinkled with some gothic "opera" done the right way!!!!
I don't like that many King Diamond records,but this one is a MUST have for heavy metal fans!!!
[jimmyjames] Friday, June 26, 2009 6:59:36 AM
My classic heavy metal album of the day is Leviathan - Mastodon ( 2004 ).
[flashrockinman] Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:59:26 PM
kill the king this will wake you up!
[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:59:16 PM
[Devil Deal] Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:42:01 PM
[flashrockinman] Saturday, June 06, 2009 4:09:26 AM
73 this album ruled enjoy
[K2M] Friday, June 05, 2009 1:41:38 PM
Yaeh Man. Virgin Killers
[Painkiller87] Thursday, June 04, 2009 2:58:54 PM
Ride The Lightning - Metallica
My Favorite Metallica album and contains my fav song Creeping Death.
[flashrockinman] Thursday, June 04, 2009 2:23:20 PM
something from the past...........................polar nights crank it up!!!!
[~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:40:51 PM
I was never able to get into Gamma Ray(I've heard all of thier albums),but they have an original style and so forth. I dig that album cover though.
Torment & Tempest wrote:
[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, May 28, 2009 1:10:18 PM
Yeah,its a great album....thanks to DelivererOfEvil,I was able to recognize this album and now I own it.
Anybody who likes Saxon,old Iron Maiden and of course our own Judas Priest 9 times out of 10 would like this album no question. Excellent heavy metal
by these German heavy metal legends.
I've been told WONDERS about that album, but I still haven't managed to download it, and getting an original is simply insane since it goes over 200 € on ebays, etc.
Do you have a link to it, JD?
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
STORMTROOPER ARMIES OF THE NIGHT 1985
Old, rare heavy metal from the U.S.A.
[paorcamp] Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:30:21 AM
oh that's great...MY FAVORITE RUNNING WILD ALBUM!!!! good for you man!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:51:06 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
RUNNING WILD BLACK HAND INN 1994
Excellent traditional heavy metal perfect for fans of styles of Judas Priest,Saxon and old Iron maiden with Paul Di Anno.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:38:28 PM
Hey D.O.E. ...no I don't man,but you can hear a couple of tracks on youtube though. I imagine that its pretty hard to find.Not that great of an album,but its ok...its pretty rare though. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:14:12 PM)
DelivererofEvil wrote:
I've been told WONDERS about that album, but I still haven't managed to download it, and getting an original is simply insane since it goes over 200 € on ebays, etc.
Do you have a link to it, JD?
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
STORMTROOPER ARMIES OF THE NIGHT 1985
Old, rare heavy metal from the U.S.A.
[DelivererofEvil] Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:14:12 PM
I've been told WONDERS about that album, but I still haven't managed to download it, and getting an original is simply insane since it goes over 200 € on ebays, etc.
[Before The Rage] Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:13:34 AM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:31:51 AM
STORMTROOPER ARMIES OF THE NIGHT 1985
Old, rare heavy metal from the U.S.A.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:59:15 PM
ICED EARTH debut LP 1990
For fans of Judas Priest,Iron Maiden,Saxon and Old Metallica.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:50:58 PM
Awsome album cover,the album is pretty cool as well....a little slow for my likings,but still a good album. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ladiesman from Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:16:22 PM)
ladiesman wrote:
THE DEVIL YOU KNOW-BLACK SABBATH aka HEAVEN AND HELL.
[ladiesman] Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:16:22 PM
THE DEVIL YOU KNOW-BLACK SABBATH aka HEAVEN AND HELL.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, May 13, 2009 4:39:18 PM
RUNNING WILD PILE OF SKULLS 1992
Excellent classic traditional "New Wave Of British Heavy Metal styled" heavy metal with awsome songwritting,this album kicks ass!
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, May 09, 2009 2:53:05 AM
Yeah it does have a tiny slight tid bit of "punk" but in the good sense. There Are No Rules!! lol! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Friday, May 08, 2009 10:59:09 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
yeah man metal merchants is excellent to.i find the album has a slight punk sound to it hey.
Plunging To Megadeath is my favorite track off the album too man!!! I also like Metal Merchants!!!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
yeah i got the tape J.D DIAMOND THE COOOOMMMMMMMAAAANNNNDDDDEEEERRRR.yeah man good album
PLUNGING TO MEGADEATH. my favorite track from the album
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
HALLOW'S EVE TALES OF TERROR 1985
Hallow's Eve the first album! Classic Heavy Metal album of the day.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, May 08, 2009 4:18:42 PM
ANGEL OF RETRIBUTION may not be Judas Priest's best album,but it is my FAVORITE album from Judas Priest!
[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, May 08, 2009 4:14:43 PM
Plunging To Megadeath is my favorite track off the album too man!!! I also like Metal Merchants!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:58:39 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
yeah i got the tape J.D DIAMOND THE COOOOMMMMMMMAAAANNNNDDDDEEEERRRR.yeah man good album
PLUNGING TO MEGADEATH. my favorite track from the album
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
HALLOW'S EVE TALES OF TERROR 1985
Hallow's Eve the first album! Classic Heavy Metal album of the day.
[hellrider 31038] Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:58:39 PM
yeah i got the tape J.D DIAMOND THE COOOOMMMMMMMAAAANNNNDDDDEEEERRRR.yeah man good album
PLUNGING TO MEGADEATH. my favorite track from the album
I thought Brave New World was very good for a sort of comeback album. A few duds but it's overall very good to me. And did you ever notice that the riff at the end of Wickerman, the Wooo Ohhh Ohh oh part, is EXACTLY the same fucking riff as the galloping chorus riff in Out of the Silent Planet? It's just played faster.
I also liked A Matter of Life and Death as well. The Legacy is my favorite song off it.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
First off D.O.E., I agree that "Pearl Jam" does'nt belong on here and Mr.Dave Genocide should be executed for doing so!(Just kidding Dave,but really.....?)
And if you want to discover Iron Maiden's good albums,listen to
Iron Maiden -1980
Killers-1981
The Number Of The Beast-1992
Piece Of Mind - 1983
Powerslave -1984
Those 5 albums are Maiden's masterpieces and stand alone.
If you want more,than check out
Brave New World -2000(half of it is ok)
A Matter Of Life And Death -2006
and then check out "1988 Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son...half of it is ok.
I would stay away from 1986 -Somewhere In Time,1990 No Prayer For The Dying,1992 Fear Of The Dark,1995 The X Factor,1998 Vitual 11,2003 Dance Of Death(yuk).
DelivererofEvil wrote:
I'm not one to swear.... a lot.
But:
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT POST DOING HERE?
People!
Classic! Heavy Metal!
CLASSIC! HEAVY METAL!
Just for emphasis: HEAVY METAL! Regarding "A Matter of Life and Death", I haven't heard it yet, and it'll take me some time to get to it, what with the chest of NWOBHM I still have to dig up and other priorities. Shamefully, or not, I only know one Maiden album by heart and that's "Piece of Mind"... I love Iron Maiden every once in a while, couldn't listen to them everyday.
It is something I have to work on, so: any suggestions to discover Maiden?
Mr. Dave Genocide wrote:
Not entirely Metal, but...
Pearl Jam - TEN
Edited at: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:03:41 PM
[Bazookajoe_666] Thursday, May 07, 2009 10:53:55 AM
I thought Brave New World was very good for a sort of comeback album. A few duds but it's overall very good to me. And did you ever notice that the riff at the end of Wickerman, the Wooo Ohhh Ohh oh part, is EXACTLY the same fucking riff as the galloping chorus riff in Out of the Silent Planet? It's just played faster.
I also liked A Matter of Life and Death as well. The Legacy is my favorite song off it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:56:53 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
First off D.O.E., I agree that "Pearl Jam" does'nt belong on here and Mr.Dave Genocide should be executed for doing so!(Just kidding Dave,but really.....?)
And if you want to discover Iron Maiden's good albums,listen to
Iron Maiden -1980
Killers-1981
The Number Of The Beast-1992
Piece Of Mind - 1983
Powerslave -1984
Those 5 albums are Maiden's masterpieces and stand alone.
If you want more,than check out
Brave New World -2000(half of it is ok)
A Matter Of Life And Death -2006
and then check out "1988 Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son...half of it is ok.
I would stay away from 1986 -Somewhere In Time,1990 No Prayer For The Dying,1992 Fear Of The Dark,1995 The X Factor,1998 Vitual 11,2003 Dance Of Death(yuk).
DelivererofEvil wrote:
I'm not one to swear.... a lot.
But:
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT POST DOING HERE?
People!
Classic! Heavy Metal!
CLASSIC! HEAVY METAL!
Just for emphasis: HEAVY METAL!
Regarding "A Matter of Life and Death", I haven't heard it yet, and it'll take me some time to get to it, what with the chest of NWOBHM I still have to dig up and other priorities. Shamefully, or not, I only know one Maiden album by heart and that's "Piece of Mind"... I love Iron Maiden every once in a while, couldn't listen to them everyday.
It is something I have to work on, so: any suggestions to discover Maiden?
Mr. Dave Genocide wrote:
Not entirely Metal, but...
Pearl Jam - TEN
[Bazookajoe_666] Thursday, May 07, 2009 10:52:15 AM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dance of Death ALSO HAD DANCE OF DEATH! GReat friggin song! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:16:32 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Nice list but I would have put Seventh Son (for SURE) and Somewhere in Time (granted only a few real JAMS but the LP cover alone is worth it's weight in Powerslave gold in the "must have" list.
Dance of Death had Rainmaker. The only saving grace, IMO.
Now then about that car trip. No "bogart-ing" and we'll both have quite a laugh!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
First off D.O.E., I agree that "Pearl Jam" does'nt belong on here and Mr.Dave Genocide should be executed for doing so!(Just kidding Dave,but really.....?)
And if you want to discover Iron Maiden's good albums,listen to
Iron Maiden -1980
Killers-1981
The Number Of The Beast-1992
Piece Of Mind - 1983
Powerslave -1984
Those 5 albums are Maiden's masterpieces and stand alone.
If you want more,than check out
Brave New World -2000(half of it is ok)
A Matter Of Life And Death -2006
and then check out "1988 Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son...half of it is ok.
I would stay away from 1986 -Somewhere In Time,1990 No Prayer For The Dying,1992 Fear Of The Dark,1995 The X Factor,1998 Vitual 11,2003 Dance Of Death(yuk).
DelivererofEvil wrote:
I'm not one to swear.... a lot.
But:
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT POST DOING HERE?
People!
Classic! Heavy Metal!
CLASSIC! HEAVY METAL!
Just for emphasis: HEAVY METAL!
Regarding "A Matter of Life and Death", I haven't heard it yet, and it'll take me some time to get to it, what with the chest of NWOBHM I still have to dig up and other priorities. Shamefully, or not, I only know one Maiden album by heart and that's "Piece of Mind"... I love Iron Maiden every once in a while, couldn't listen to them everyday.
It is something I have to work on, so: any suggestions to discover Maiden?
Mr. Dave Genocide wrote:
Not entirely Metal, but...
Pearl Jam - TEN
[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:13:09 AM
"LOFL" guidio!!!!! Dude,that cracks me the fuck up man!!! LOL! I haven't seen that video since around 1984 man,(lol!)somehow I knew that you were ontop of it!! LOL! Dude that made my whole day after a long day at work I come home to this video,thanks guido!!! LOL!
And spapad,that is a funny video too,but I seemed to have missed that one back in the day...funny none the less!
Freakin guido,(lol!) you rock man!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:02:19 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Come on....who are you asking? Do I know it, pfffff....I can SING it word for word!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
LOL! No "bogart-ing"!! I'm a camper guido!! LOL! But for that exception, if your drivin I'll " pass the dutchie to the left hand side"!!!!!! LOL! Remember that video dude,.... from that early 80's band "Musical Youth"? LOL guido!!!!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
Nice list but I would have put Seventh Son (for SURE) and Somewhere in Time (granted only a few real JAMS but the LP cover alone is worth it's weight in Powerslave gold in the "must have" list.
Dance of Death had Rainmaker. The only saving grace, IMO.
Now then about that car trip. No "bogart-ing" and we'll both have quite a laugh!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
First off D.O.E., I agree that "Pearl Jam" does'nt belong on here and Mr.Dave Genocide should be executed for doing so!(Just kidding Dave,but really.....?)
And if you want to discover Iron Maiden's good albums,listen to
Iron Maiden -1980
Killers-1981
The Number Of The Beast-1992
Piece Of Mind - 1983
Powerslave -1984
Those 5 albums are Maiden's masterpieces and stand alone.
If you want more,than check out
Brave New World -2000(half of it is ok)
A Matter Of Life And Death -2006
and then check out "1988 Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son...half of it is ok.
I would stay away from 1986 -Somewhere In Time,1990 No Prayer For The Dying,1992 Fear Of The Dark,1995 The X Factor,1998 Vitual 11,2003 Dance Of Death(yuk).
DelivererofEvil wrote:
I'm not one to swear.... a lot.
But:
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT POST DOING HERE?
People!
Classic! Heavy Metal!
CLASSIC! HEAVY METAL!
Just for emphasis: HEAVY METAL!
Regarding "A Matter of Life and Death", I haven't heard it yet, and it'll take me some time to get to it, what with the chest of NWOBHM I still have to dig up and other priorities. Shamefully, or not, I only know one Maiden album by heart and that's "Piece of Mind"... I love Iron Maiden every once in a while, couldn't listen to them everyday.
It is something I have to work on, so: any suggestions to discover Maiden?
Mr. Dave Genocide wrote:
Not entirely Metal, but...
Pearl Jam - TEN
[spapad] Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:21:23 AM
Blast from the past!
[guidogodoy] Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:02:19 AM
Come on....who are you asking? Do I know it, pfffff....I can SING it word for word!
LOL! No "bogart-ing"!! I'm a camper guido!! LOL! But for that exception, if your drivin I'll " pass the dutchie to the left hand side"!!!!!! LOL! Remember that video dude,.... from that early 80's band "Musical Youth"? LOL guido!!!!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
Nice list but I would have put Seventh Son (for SURE) and Somewhere in Time (granted only a few real JAMS but the LP cover alone is worth it's weight in Powerslave gold in the "must have" list.
Dance of Death had Rainmaker. The only saving grace, IMO.
Now then about that car trip. No "bogart-ing" and we'll both have quite a laugh!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
First off D.O.E., I agree that "Pearl Jam" does'nt belong on here and Mr.Dave Genocide should be executed for doing so!(Just kidding Dave,but really.....?)
And if you want to discover Iron Maiden's good albums,listen to
Iron Maiden -1980
Killers-1981
The Number Of The Beast-1992
Piece Of Mind - 1983
Powerslave -1984
Those 5 albums are Maiden's masterpieces and stand alone.
If you want more,than check out
Brave New World -2000(half of it is ok)
A Matter Of Life And Death -2006
and then check out "1988 Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son...half of it is ok.
I would stay away from 1986 -Somewhere In Time,1990 No Prayer For The Dying,1992 Fear Of The Dark,1995 The X Factor,1998 Vitual 11,2003 Dance Of Death(yuk).
DelivererofEvil wrote:
I'm not one to swear.... a lot.
But:
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT POST DOING HERE?
People!
Classic! Heavy Metal!
CLASSIC! HEAVY METAL!
Just for emphasis: HEAVY METAL!
Regarding "A Matter of Life and Death", I haven't heard it yet, and it'll take me some time to get to it, what with the chest of NWOBHM I still have to dig up and other priorities. Shamefully, or not, I only know one Maiden album by heart and that's "Piece of Mind"... I love Iron Maiden every once in a while, couldn't listen to them everyday.
It is something I have to work on, so: any suggestions to discover Maiden?
Mr. Dave Genocide wrote:
Not entirely Metal, but...
Pearl Jam - TEN
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:19:05 PM
LOL! No "bogart-ing"!! I'm a camper guido!! LOL! But for that exception, if your drivin I'll " pass the dutchie to the left hand side"!!!!!! LOL! Remember that video dude,.... from that early 80's band "Musical Youth"? LOL guido!!!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:16:32 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Nice list but I would have put Seventh Son (for SURE) and Somewhere in Time (granted only a few real JAMS but the LP cover alone is worth it's weight in Powerslave gold in the "must have" list.
Dance of Death had Rainmaker. The only saving grace, IMO.
Now then about that car trip. No "bogart-ing" and we'll both have quite a laugh!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
First off D.O.E., I agree that "Pearl Jam" does'nt belong on here and Mr.Dave Genocide should be executed for doing so!(Just kidding Dave,but really.....?)
And if you want to discover Iron Maiden's good albums,listen to
Iron Maiden -1980
Killers-1981
The Number Of The Beast-1992
Piece Of Mind - 1983
Powerslave -1984
Those 5 albums are Maiden's masterpieces and stand alone.
If you want more,than check out
Brave New World -2000(half of it is ok)
A Matter Of Life And Death -2006
and then check out "1988 Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son...half of it is ok.
I would stay away from 1986 -Somewhere In Time,1990 No Prayer For The Dying,1992 Fear Of The Dark,1995 The X Factor,1998 Vitual 11,2003 Dance Of Death(yuk).
DelivererofEvil wrote:
I'm not one to swear.... a lot.
But:
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT POST DOING HERE?
People!
Classic! Heavy Metal!
CLASSIC! HEAVY METAL!
Just for emphasis: HEAVY METAL!
Regarding "A Matter of Life and Death", I haven't heard it yet, and it'll take me some time to get to it, what with the chest of NWOBHM I still have to dig up and other priorities. Shamefully, or not, I only know one Maiden album by heart and that's "Piece of Mind"... I love Iron Maiden every once in a while, couldn't listen to them everyday.
It is something I have to work on, so: any suggestions to discover Maiden?
Mr. Dave Genocide wrote:
Not entirely Metal, but...
Pearl Jam - TEN
[guidogodoy] Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:16:32 PM
Nice list but I would have put Seventh Son (for SURE) and Somewhere in Time (granted only a few real JAMS but the LP cover alone is worth it's weight in Powerslave gold in the "must have" list.
Dance of Death had Rainmaker. The only saving grace, IMO.
Now then about that car trip. No "bogart-ing" and we'll both have quite a laugh! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:56:53 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
First off D.O.E., I agree that "Pearl Jam" does'nt belong on here and Mr.Dave Genocide should be executed for doing so!(Just kidding Dave,but really.....?)
And if you want to discover Iron Maiden's good albums,listen to
Iron Maiden -1980
Killers-1981
The Number Of The Beast-1992
Piece Of Mind - 1983
Powerslave -1984
Those 5 albums are Maiden's masterpieces and stand alone.
If you want more,than check out
Brave New World -2000(half of it is ok)
A Matter Of Life And Death -2006
and then check out "1988 Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son...half of it is ok.
I would stay away from 1986 -Somewhere In Time,1990 No Prayer For The Dying,1992 Fear Of The Dark,1995 The X Factor,1998 Vitual 11,2003 Dance Of Death(yuk).
DelivererofEvil wrote:
I'm not one to swear.... a lot.
But:
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT POST DOING HERE?
People!
Classic! Heavy Metal!
CLASSIC! HEAVY METAL!
Just for emphasis: HEAVY METAL!
Regarding "A Matter of Life and Death", I haven't heard it yet, and it'll take me some time to get to it, what with the chest of NWOBHM I still have to dig up and other priorities. Shamefully, or not, I only know one Maiden album by heart and that's "Piece of Mind"... I love Iron Maiden every once in a while, couldn't listen to them everyday.
It is something I have to work on, so: any suggestions to discover Maiden?
Mr. Dave Genocide wrote:
Not entirely Metal, but...
Pearl Jam - TEN
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:56:53 PM
First off D.O.E., I agree that "Pearl Jam" does'nt belong on here and Mr.Dave Genocide should be executed for doing so!(Just kidding Dave,but really.....?)
And if you want to discover Iron Maiden's good albums,listen to
Iron Maiden -1980
Killers-1981
The Number Of The Beast-1992
Piece Of Mind - 1983
Powerslave -1984
Those 5 albums are Maiden's masterpieces and stand alone.
If you want more,than check out
Brave New World -2000(half of it is ok)
A Matter Of Life And Death -2006
and then check out "1988 Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son...half of it is ok.
I would stay away from 1986 -Somewhere In Time,1990 No Prayer For The Dying,1992 Fear Of The Dark,1995 The X Factor,1998 Vitual 11,2003 Dance Of Death(yuk). [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:34:00 PM)
DelivererofEvil wrote:
I'm not one to swear.... a lot.
But:
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT POST DOING HERE?
People!
Classic! Heavy Metal!
CLASSIC! HEAVY METAL!
Just for emphasis: HEAVY METAL!
Regarding "A Matter of Life and Death", I haven't heard it yet, and it'll take me some time to get to it, what with the chest of NWOBHM I still have to dig up and other priorities. Shamefully, or not, I only know one Maiden album by heart and that's "Piece of Mind"... I love Iron Maiden every once in a while, couldn't listen to them everyday.
It is something I have to work on, so: any suggestions to discover Maiden?
Mr. Dave Genocide wrote:
Not entirely Metal, but...
Pearl Jam - TEN
[DelivererofEvil] Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:34:00 PM
I'm not one to swear.... a lot.
But:
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT POST DOING HERE?
People!
Classic! Heavy Metal!
CLASSIC! HEAVY METAL!
Just for emphasis: HEAVY METAL!
Regarding "A Matter of Life and Death", I haven't heard it yet, and it'll take me some time to get to it, what with the chest of NWOBHM I still have to dig up and other priorities. Shamefully, or not, I only know one Maiden album by heart and that's "Piece of Mind"... I love Iron Maiden every once in a while, couldn't listen to them everyday.
It is something I have to work on, so: any suggestions to discover Maiden? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Mr. Dave Genocide from Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:47:33 PM)
Mr. Dave Genocide wrote:
Not entirely Metal, but...
Pearl Jam - TEN
[guidogodoy] Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:20:36 PM
We all have our opinions, my friend. I stick with mine.
Perhaps someday I'll have to blow the dust off of that travesty of a Maiden CD and give 'er another go. I'll let you know if I lighten up a bit about it. In the meantime, give me Nostra ANY day. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, May 06, 2009 3:12:15 PM)
Head banger wrote:
pompus, yes, but worse than nost??? its not maidens worst, not their best, but its head and shoulders above nost.
guidogodoy wrote:
Now I consider myself a Maiden fan right from the start. Look at my profile for proof. However, I CANNOT FREAKIN' STAND this album. Talk about something overblown, pompous and, even worse, just changes rhythms SO many time in each of their 12 mintue songs it is maddening. This album was a train-wreck, IMO, and Maiden themselves seemed puzzled in many an interview as to why the Amercians never got behind it. Their tour with it was a disaster thus bringing about the Back in Time tour to try to recoup what they lost with that miserable tour.
I am willing to accept that I didn't give it much of a chance. Suffered through it twice and put it on the shelf never to be heard again. To me, Nostra was 1000x better.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I like this Iron Maiden album,the only 2 songs that suck are "Different World" and "Benjamin Bragg".
Up the Irons with this album,for Maiden.....(..and its asking alot from them to make a good album)....its a classic.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, May 06, 2009 3:59:33 PM
Well its not Maiden's best work obviously, BUT THIS ALBUM BLOWS AWAY EVERY IRON MAIDEN ALBUM AFTER POWERSLAVE giudo! This is the best they have since Powerslave.
Brave New World,Dance Of Death are nowhere near as good as this record,let alone anything before Brave New World back tracking to Powerslave.
And in my opinion it is way better than Nostradamus by far. All of our opinions differ thats for sure, you and Head Banger both love the "Turbo" album as I hate it with a passion.....just goes to show! lol!
The opening track "Different World" sucks big time and so does track number 7 "Benjamin Bragg"...but the other 8 songs are classic Maiden...
These Colours Don't Run6:52 Brighter Than A Thousand Suns 8:44 The Pilgrim 5:07 The Longest Day 7:48 Out Of The Shadows 5:36 For The Greater Good Of God 9:24 Lord Of Ligh t 7:23 The Legacy 9:20
Some of these tracks may be long,but the album with these 8 tracks is under an hour...(without the 2 songs that suck on it)
These 8 tracks to me are great Iron Maiden songs and crush Nostradamus no contest. Nostradamus is almost 2 hours long and 10 times boring to me.
No worries guido! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:29:26 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Now I consider myself a Maiden fan right from the start. Look at my profile for proof. However, I CANNOT FREAKIN' STAND this album. Talk about something overblown, pompous and, even worse, just changes rhythms SO many time in each of their 12 mintue songs it is maddening. This album was a train-wreck, IMO, and Maiden themselves seemed puzzled in many an interview as to why the Amercians never got behind it. Their tour with it was a disaster thus bringing about the Back in Time tour to try to recoup what they lost with that miserable tour.
I am willing to accept that I didn't give it much of a chance. Suffered through it twice and put it on the shelf never to be heard again. To me, Nostra was 1000x better.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I like this Iron Maiden album,the only 2 songs that suck are "Different World" and "Benjamin Bragg".
Up the Irons with this album,for Maiden.....(..and its asking alot from them to make a good album)....its a classic.
[Head banger] Wednesday, May 06, 2009 3:12:15 PM
pompus, yes, but worse than nost??? its not maidens worst, not their best, but its head and shoulders above nost. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:29:26 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Now I consider myself a Maiden fan right from the start. Look at my profile for proof. However, I CANNOT FREAKIN' STAND this album. Talk about something overblown, pompous and, even worse, just changes rhythms SO many time in each of their 12 mintue songs it is maddening. This album was a train-wreck, IMO, and Maiden themselves seemed puzzled in many an interview as to why the Amercians never got behind it. Their tour with it was a disaster thus bringing about the Back in Time tour to try to recoup what they lost with that miserable tour.
I am willing to accept that I didn't give it much of a chance. Suffered through it twice and put it on the shelf never to be heard again. To me, Nostra was 1000x better.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I like this Iron Maiden album,the only 2 songs that suck are "Different World" and "Benjamin Bragg".
Up the Irons with this album,for Maiden.....(..and its asking alot from them to make a good album)....its a classic.
[Mr. Dave Genocide] Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:47:33 PM
Not entirely Metal, but...
Pearl Jam - TEN
[guidogodoy] Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:29:26 AM
Now I consider myself a Maiden fan right from the start. Look at my profile for proof. However, I CANNOT FREAKIN' STAND this album. Talk about something overblown, pompous and, even worse, just changes rhythms SO many time in each of their 12 mintue songs it is maddening. This album was a train-wreck, IMO, and Maiden themselves seemed puzzled in many an interview as to why the Amercians never got behind it. Their tour with it was a disaster thus bringing about the Back in Time tour to try to recoup what they lost with that miserable tour.
I am willing to accept that I didn't give it much of a chance. Suffered through it twice and put it on the shelf never to be heard again. To me, Nostra was 1000x better. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 06, 2009 3:58:29 AM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I like this Iron Maiden album,the only 2 songs that suck are "Different World" and "Benjamin Bragg".
Up the Irons with this album,for Maiden.....(..and its asking alot from them to make a good album)....its a classic.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, May 06, 2009 3:58:29 AM
I like this Iron Maiden album,the only 2 songs that suck are "Different World" and "Benjamin Bragg".
Up the Irons with this album,for Maiden.....(..and its asking alot from them to make a good album)....its a classic.
[max beardsall] Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:41:56 AM
kings of metal :manowar
[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, May 03, 2009 8:50:52 PM
RUNNING WILD DEATH OR GLORY 1989
[DelivererofEvil] Sunday, May 03, 2009 4:44:46 PM
J.D. don't. Do NOT feed the trolls!
As for the jimmy whatever:
Good sir, thou hath by many a point exceeded the permitted amount of insuccess tolerated by the solemn forces of the internet.
If thou would be so kind as to remove thyself from our presence, such a gesture would be deeply appreciated.
Keep this - of all threads, spare this one! - free from any squalor and cock fights.
Ha,better than what you would would of done...you probably would of went home "with" the christian booklets and threw away all your metal CDs and dry humped your crucifix.
jimmyjames wrote:
Hail Satan, bullet belts, smoking joints, bullying christians because you know they won't fight back, impressive.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah Head Banger I'm with ya,...these bible thumpers outside of the Moore Theatre were "scared" for our "souls" as I remember,there were a number of them as well...telling us we were all going to go to hell for attending King Diamond's show as we stood in line....(lol!)..there were alot of us wearing pentagrams,inverted crosses,black leather jackets...bullet belts.....smoking joints and screaming "hail satan" to these bible bashers man,(lol!)
It was pretty funny because they all stood there without a smile and were pelted by the same booklets they gave us... waded up and thrown at them...lol! Pretty funny stuff that was!!!!
(Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:25:47 PM)
Head banger wrote:
that pisses me off. if people want to be religious, go ahead, worship jesus, alah, budha hell your fluffy cat if you want, but leave me the fuck alone. if I wanted jesus in my life I would have the fairy tale on my bookshelf.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah D.O.E.,the Fatal Portrait tour was awsome dude,here is a picture from that tour man,it was amazing because all the material he played was from obviously "Mercyful Fate" and just the new album at the time 'Fatal Portrait"!!!
It was totally elite now I look back on it.There were bible bashers outside the Moore Theatre giving out pamplets on christianity begging us metal heads not to attend his show,.....we all laughed I remember and were wearing upsidedown crosses,bullet belts and black leather jackets...LOL! Good times!!!
(Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Saturday, May 02, 2009 4:42:56 PM)
DelivererofEvil wrote:
I won't say I envy you, because I couldn't accelerate my birth, but hey, I bet those are some GREAT memories!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
KING DIAMOND Fatal Portrait 1986
Classic heavy metal by the King....I got this LP the week it was released and saw the show at the Moore Theatre in Seattle,excellent memories!
Edited at: Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:35:25 PM Edited at: Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:35:50 PM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, May 03, 2009 2:49:09 PM
Ha,better than what you would would of done...you probably would of went home "with" the christian booklets and threw away all your metal CDs and dry humped your crucifix. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Sunday, May 03, 2009 5:58:38 AM)
jimmyjames wrote:
Hail Satan, bullet belts, smoking joints, bullying christians because you know they won't fight back, impressive.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah Head Banger I'm with ya,...these bible thumpers outside of the Moore Theatre were "scared" for our "souls" as I remember,there were a number of them as well...telling us we were all going to go to hell for attending King Diamond's show as we stood in line....(lol!)..there were alot of us wearing pentagrams,inverted crosses,black leather jackets...bullet belts.....smoking joints and screaming "hail satan" to these bible bashers man,(lol!)
It was pretty funny because they all stood there without a smile and were pelted by the same booklets they gave us... waded up and thrown at them...lol! Pretty funny stuff that was!!!!
(Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:25:47 PM)
Head banger wrote:
that pisses me off. if people want to be religious, go ahead, worship jesus, alah, budha hell your fluffy cat if you want, but leave me the fuck alone. if I wanted jesus in my life I would have the fairy tale on my bookshelf.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah D.O.E.,the Fatal Portrait tour was awsome dude,here is a picture from that tour man,it was amazing because all the material he played was from obviously "Mercyful Fate" and just the new album at the time 'Fatal Portrait"!!!
It was totally elite now I look back on it.There were bible bashers outside the Moore Theatre giving out pamplets on christianity begging us metal heads not to attend his show,.....we all laughed I remember and were wearing upsidedown crosses,bullet belts and black leather jackets...LOL! Good times!!!
(Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Saturday, May 02, 2009 4:42:56 PM)
DelivererofEvil wrote:
I won't say I envy you, because I couldn't accelerate my birth, but hey, I bet those are some GREAT memories!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
KING DIAMOND Fatal Portrait 1986
Classic heavy metal by the King....I got this LP the week it was released and saw the show at the Moore Theatre in Seattle,excellent memories!
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[jimmyjames] Sunday, May 03, 2009 5:58:38 AM
Hail Satan, bullet belts, smoking joints, bullying christians because you know they won't fight back, impressive. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:25:44 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah Head Banger I'm with ya,...these bible thumpers outside of the Moore Theatre were "scared" for our "souls" as I remember,there were a number of them as well...telling us we were all going to go to hell for attending King Diamond's show as we stood in line....(lol!)..there were alot of us wearing pentagrams,inverted crosses,black leather jackets...bullet belts.....smoking joints and screaming "hail satan" to these bible bashers man,(lol!)
It was pretty funny because they all stood there without a smile and were pelted by the same booklets they gave us... waded up and thrown at them...lol! Pretty funny stuff that was!!!!
(Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:25:47 PM)
Head banger wrote:
that pisses me off. if people want to be religious, go ahead, worship jesus, alah, budha hell your fluffy cat if you want, but leave me the fuck alone. if I wanted jesus in my life I would have the fairy tale on my bookshelf.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah D.O.E.,the Fatal Portrait tour was awsome dude,here is a picture from that tour man,it was amazing because all the material he played was from obviously "Mercyful Fate" and just the new album at the time 'Fatal Portrait"!!!
It was totally elite now I look back on it.There were bible bashers outside the Moore Theatre giving out pamplets on christianity begging us metal heads not to attend his show,.....we all laughed I remember and were wearing upsidedown crosses,bullet belts and black leather jackets...LOL! Good times!!!
(Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Saturday, May 02, 2009 4:42:56 PM)
DelivererofEvil wrote:
I won't say I envy you, because I couldn't accelerate my birth, but hey, I bet those are some GREAT memories!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
KING DIAMOND Fatal Portrait 1986
Classic heavy metal by the King....I got this LP the week it was released and saw the show at the Moore Theatre in Seattle,excellent memories!
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[flashrockinman] Sunday, May 03, 2009 12:21:08 AM
something from canada all the worlds a stage rush
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:25:44 PM
Yeah Head Banger I'm with ya,...these bible thumpers outside of the Moore Theatre were "scared" for our "souls" as I remember,there were a number of them as well...telling us we were all going to go to hell for attending King Diamond's show as we stood in line....(lol!)..there were alot of us wearing pentagrams,inverted crosses,black leather jackets...bullet belts.....smoking joints and screaming "hail satan" to these bible bashers man,(lol!)
It was pretty funny because they all stood there without a smile and were pelted by the same booklets they gave us... waded up and thrown at them...lol! Pretty funny stuff that was!!!!
that pisses me off. if people want to be religious, go ahead, worship jesus, alah, budha hell your fluffy cat if you want, but leave me the fuck alone. if I wanted jesus in my life I would have the fairy tale on my bookshelf.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah D.O.E.,the Fatal Portrait tour was awsome dude,here is a picture from that tour man,it was amazing because all the material he played was from obviously "Mercyful Fate" and just the new album at the time 'Fatal Portrait"!!!
It was totally elite now I look back on it.There were bible bashers outside the Moore Theatre giving out pamplets on christianity begging us metal heads not to attend his show,.....we all laughed I remember and were wearing upsidedown crosses,bullet belts and black leather jackets...LOL! Good times!!!
(Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Saturday, May 02, 2009 4:42:56 PM)
DelivererofEvil wrote:
I won't say I envy you, because I couldn't accelerate my birth, but hey, I bet those are some GREAT memories!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
KING DIAMOND Fatal Portrait 1986
Classic heavy metal by the King....I got this LP the week it was released and saw the show at the Moore Theatre in Seattle,excellent memories!
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[Head banger] Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:38:50 PM
no birds. with the number of wings I have in the fryer, on the smoker and simmering in honeygarlic sauce right now, I am not taking that chance [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:33:35 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Cat's make me sneeze. Can a bird be in the running for Diety?
[guidogodoy] Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:35:45 PM
I would have suggested as much but he is borderline Anti-Christ! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:34:05 PM)
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
what about Calvin??????
guidogodoy wrote:
Cat's make me sneeze. Can a bird be in the running for Diety?
[~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:34:05 PM
that pisses me off. if people want to be religious, go ahead, worship jesus, alah, budha hell your fluffy cat if you want, but leave me the fuck alone. if I wanted jesus in my life I would have the fairy tale on my bookshelf.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah D.O.E.,the Fatal Portrait tour was awsome dude,here is a picture from that tour man,it was amazing because all the material he played was from obviously "Mercyful Fate" and just the new album at the time 'Fatal Portrait"!!!
It was totally elite now I look back on it.There were bible bashers outside the Moore Theatre giving out pamplets on christianity begging us metal heads not to attend his show,.....we all laughed I remember and were wearing upsidedown crosses,bullet belts and black leather jackets...LOL! Good times!!!
(Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Saturday, May 02, 2009 4:42:56 PM)
DelivererofEvil wrote:
I won't say I envy you, because I couldn't accelerate my birth, but hey, I bet those are some GREAT memories!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
KING DIAMOND Fatal Portrait 1986
Classic heavy metal by the King....I got this LP the week it was released and saw the show at the Moore Theatre in Seattle,excellent memories!
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[Head banger] Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:25:47 PM
that pisses me off. if people want to be religious, go ahead, worship jesus, alah, budha hell your fluffy cat if you want, but leave me the fuck alone. if I wanted jesus in my life I would have the fairy tale on my bookshelf. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:13:28 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah D.O.E.,the Fatal Portrait tour was awsome dude,here is a picture from that tour man,it was amazing because all the material he played was from obviously "Mercyful Fate" and just the new album at the time 'Fatal Portrait"!!!
It was totally elite now I look back on it.There were bible bashers outside the Moore Theatre giving out pamplets on christianity begging us metal heads not to attend his show,.....we all laughed I remember and were wearing upsidedown crosses,bullet belts and black leather jackets...LOL! Good times!!!
(Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Saturday, May 02, 2009 4:42:56 PM)
DelivererofEvil wrote:
I won't say I envy you, because I couldn't accelerate my birth, but hey, I bet those are some GREAT memories!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
KING DIAMOND Fatal Portrait 1986
Classic heavy metal by the King....I got this LP the week it was released and saw the show at the Moore Theatre in Seattle,excellent memories!
POISON.... 
J.D.
kill the king this will wake you up!
73 this album ruled enjoy
Yeah,its a great album....thanks to DelivererOfEvil,I was able to recognize this album and now I own it. 
this disc should be played loud only.....................enjoy
canada all the worlds a stage rush