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I actually think Jim Kelly "SHOULD" be trown in with "elite" quarterbacks such as Montana,Bradshaw,Elway,Aikman,Brady because Jim took the Bills to 4 straight Super Bowls...He won 4 straight AFC Championships in a row man,I know that he and the Bills didn't win any of thier 4 Super Bowls but come on ya know,just getting there 4 times in a row is an incredible accomplishment that I believe will NEVER happen again EVER,that is very impressive and out of 4 Super Bowls they only got thier asses kicked twice because they should of won the first one had it not been for Scott Norwood's misses field goal at the end of the game and the last one they were in they were ahead of Dallas at half time but Thurman Thomas fumbled the ball 3 times in the second half resulting in 21 points for Dallas so if it were not for Thurman's fumbles I think Buffalo would of won that game.
John Elway deserves to be in this group too,he only won 2 Super Bowls back to back but he took Denver to 5 Super Bowls,the only quarterback to have played in 5 Super Bowls! But going back to Jim Kelly,to me again this is the ONLY time when I would claim a quarterback who never won a Super Bowl belongs in the elite club of Super Bowl winners because of how great Jim Kelly was. Jim Kelly was better than Peyton Manning by far. And if Peyton Manning wins another 2 Super Bowls before he is finished then he will be ranked in with the greats for sure but I really can't see him winning another Super Bowl,he's been to 2 of them ....its hard enough just getting to 2 Super Bowls let alone 3 or 4. The 6 best QBs of all time:
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Terry Bradshaw
John Elway
Tom Brady
Troy Aikman
Jim Kelly
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:11:35 AM)
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Freaky...I'm not saying he's not a great QB, he most definitely IS!!! But he's ALSO overrated, IMO...the truly GREAT QB's don't break in the big games, they RISE to the challenge, which he FAILED to do. Jim Kelly took his team to 4 straight SB's and lost all 4 and he was arguably one of if not the best at that time. Had he won all 4, he would live in infamy!!
(Quoting Message by FreakyMetalHead from Monday, February 08, 2010 7:56:15 PM)
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You guys must get all your info from the NFL channel..........
Peyton Manning has a record 4 MVP titles and a Super Bowl championship so he must be...... very overrated!
I'm sure if he left the Colts for some reason no other teams would be interested because he's such a choke artist!
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| [Deep Freeze] Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:45:35 AM | |
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Why, my friend how soon you forget!! This is how I show my love!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:50:08 AM)| | | ron h wrote: | | AHHHH, yes I did!! As it's too late to edit, my mistake will live in...LOL
My point was, as I'm sure you know, that the big games are what define a QB and losses in such games can and will define how a QB will be remembered.
As for my elementary mistake? It's Valentines Day, where's the love?! LOL HAAHAA!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Umm, Ron old friend of mine...infamy? I believe you may have misspoke!
infamy (n): something grossly criminal. An act of shocking brutality or evil.
Perhaps he would have lived in a state of regarded recognition or glory? Hitler was infamous. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | ron h wrote: | | Freaky...I'm not saying he's not a great QB, he most definitely IS!!! But he's ALSO overrated, IMO...the truly GREAT QB's don't break in the big games, they RISE to the challenge, which he FAILED to do. Jim Kelly took his team to 4 straight SB's and lost all 4 and he was arguably one of if not the best at that time. Had he won all 4, he would live in infamy!!
(Quoting Message by FreakyMetalHead from Monday, February 08, 2010 7:56:15 PM)
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FreakyMetalHead wrote: |
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You guys must get all your info from the NFL channel..........
Peyton Manning has a record 4 MVP titles and a Super Bowl championship so he must be...... very overrated!
I'm sure if he left the Colts for some reason no other teams would be interested because he's such a choke artist!
Jeez!
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| [ron h] Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:50:08 AM | |
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AHHHH, yes I did!! As it's too late to edit, my mistake will live in...LOL
My point was, as I'm sure you know, that the big games are what define a QB and losses in such games can and will define how a QB will be remembered.
As for my elementary mistake? It's Valentines Day, where's the love?! LOL HAAHAA!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:21:51 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Umm, Ron old friend of mine...infamy? I believe you may have misspoke!
infamy (n): something grossly criminal. An act of shocking brutality or evil.
Perhaps he would have lived in a state of regarded recognition or glory? Hitler was infamous. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | ron h wrote: | | Freaky...I'm not saying he's not a great QB, he most definitely IS!!! But he's ALSO overrated, IMO...the truly GREAT QB's don't break in the big games, they RISE to the challenge, which he FAILED to do. Jim Kelly took his team to 4 straight SB's and lost all 4 and he was arguably one of if not the best at that time. Had he won all 4, he would live in infamy!!
(Quoting Message by FreakyMetalHead from Monday, February 08, 2010 7:56:15 PM)
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FreakyMetalHead wrote: |
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You guys must get all your info from the NFL channel..........
Peyton Manning has a record 4 MVP titles and a Super Bowl championship so he must be...... very overrated!
I'm sure if he left the Colts for some reason no other teams would be interested because he's such a choke artist!
Jeez!
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| [Deep Freeze] Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:21:51 AM | |
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Umm, Ron old friend of mine...infamy? I believe you may have misspoke!
infamy (n): something grossly criminal. An act of shocking brutality or evil.
Perhaps he would have lived in a state of regarded recognition or glory? Hitler was infamous. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:11:35 AM)| | | ron h wrote: | | Freaky...I'm not saying he's not a great QB, he most definitely IS!!! But he's ALSO overrated, IMO...the truly GREAT QB's don't break in the big games, they RISE to the challenge, which he FAILED to do. Jim Kelly took his team to 4 straight SB's and lost all 4 and he was arguably one of if not the best at that time. Had he won all 4, he would live in infamy!!
(Quoting Message by FreakyMetalHead from Monday, February 08, 2010 7:56:15 PM)
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FreakyMetalHead wrote: |
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You guys must get all your info from the NFL channel..........
Peyton Manning has a record 4 MVP titles and a Super Bowl championship so he must be...... very overrated!
I'm sure if he left the Colts for some reason no other teams would be interested because he's such a choke artist!
Jeez!
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| [ron h] Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:11:35 AM | |
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Freaky...I'm not saying he's not a great QB, he most definitely IS!!! But he's ALSO overrated, IMO...the truly GREAT QB's don't break in the big games, they RISE to the challenge, which he FAILED to do. Jim Kelly took his team to 4 straight SB's and lost all 4 and he was arguably one of if not the best at that time. Had he won all 4, he would live in infamy!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by FreakyMetalHead from Monday, February 08, 2010 7:56:15 PM)
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FreakyMetalHead wrote: |
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You guys must get all your info from the NFL channel..........
Peyton Manning has a record 4 MVP titles and a Super Bowl championship so he must be...... very overrated!
I'm sure if he left the Colts for some reason no other teams would be interested because he's such a choke artist!
Jeez!
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| [FreakyMetalHead] Saturday, February 13, 2010 11:07:05 PM | |
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It's going to be a long 6 months till the 2010 season and I'm looking forward to see how the Saints handle that super bowl hangover. Every team they play will look at iti as their superbowl.......the Saints have a bullseye painted on their back now.......its gonna be fun! ROFL!!! 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:16:51 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Hey the Jets are really not to far behind the Colts man.That game week 16 against the Jets yeah they didn't play that game because it was meaningless as they already had home field advantage throughout the AFC playoffs but the Jets next year may be stronger than they are now and if they somehow were to get home field the Colts probly wouldn't be able to beat them there. And as far as Manning goes...hes my favorite QB of today with Brady being my second fav. but the media ala "ESPN and a few other sources were trying to claim Peyton possibly being the best or at least one of the best QBs to ever play the game and I think its bullarky man!! lol!!
Yes he is above average and yes he is great but there is no way he is up there with Troy Aikman,Tom Brady let alone Joe Montana or Terry Bradshaw. If Peyton wins another 2 super bowls before he retires I will say I'm wrong but for now I think its fair to say that Peyton Manning is overrated as to what "they" are saying about him. (Quoting Message by FreakyMetalHead from Monday, February 08, 2010 8:06:54 PM)
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Yes.... they will be there if Caldwell and the Colts put in their second string players again.......
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Yeah the Jets may be in the Super Bowl next year,anything is up for grabs in the entire AFC conference.
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| yea J.D i agree with you mostly. I believe strongly that peyton could very well win another super bowl before its all said and done. Still yes I agree hes a bit overrated. When hes great hes great though. God I hope Mark Sanchez and the Jets keep it up. I can't take it. I am proud of there playoff run, but god it took alot out of me lol. |
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| [iamnostradamus88] Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:46:55 PM | |
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spot on J.D. Calling Peyton overrated doesn't necesarily mean we are really putting him down. He's accomplished alot man. Have a super bowl win in itself means he is an Elite QB and will always be remembered as one. The jets also are going to have Kris Jenkins and Leon Washington back. If they can keep the injuries at a low, who knows. And does anybody know the Ladanian Tomilson deal? Hes getting trade or hes a free agent or something? Either way, Thomas Jones ain't too happy with the Jets at least financially so hmmm.......i know thats probably ridiculous but ohh man LT on the JETS? HAHAHA i'm sucha dreamer. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:16:51 AM | |
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Hey the Jets are really not to far behind the Colts man.That game week 16 against the Jets yeah they didn't play that game because it was meaningless as they already had home field advantage throughout the AFC playoffs but the Jets next year may be stronger than they are now and if they somehow were to get home field the Colts probly wouldn't be able to beat them there. And as far as Manning goes...hes my favorite QB of today with Brady being my second fav. but the media ala "ESPN and a few other sources were trying to claim Peyton possibly being the best or at least one of the best QBs to ever play the game and I think its bullarky man!! lol!!
Yes he is above average and yes he is great but there is no way he is up there with Troy Aikman,Tom Brady let alone Joe Montana or Terry Bradshaw. If Peyton wins another 2 super bowls before he retires I will say I'm wrong but for now I think its fair to say that Peyton Manning is overrated as to what "they" are saying about him. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by FreakyMetalHead from Monday, February 08, 2010 8:06:54 PM)
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Yes.... they will be there if Caldwell and the Colts put in their second string players again.......
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Yeah the Jets may be in the Super Bowl next year,anything is up for grabs in the entire AFC conference.
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| yea J.D i agree with you mostly. I believe strongly that peyton could very well win another super bowl before its all said and done. Still yes I agree hes a bit overrated. When hes great hes great though. God I hope Mark Sanchez and the Jets keep it up. I can't take it. I am proud of there playoff run, but god it took alot out of me lol. |
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| [FreakyMetalHead] Monday, February 08, 2010 8:06:54 PM | |
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Yes.... they will be there if Caldwell and the Colts put in their second string players again.......
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Monday, February 08, 2010 4:59:20 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah the Jets may be in the Super Bowl next year,anything is up for grabs in the entire AFC conference.
| | | iamnostradamus88 wrote: | | | yea J.D i agree with you mostly. I believe strongly that peyton could very well win another super bowl before its all said and done. Still yes I agree hes a bit overrated. When hes great hes great though. God I hope Mark Sanchez and the Jets keep it up. I can't take it. I am proud of there playoff run, but god it took alot out of me lol. |
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| [FreakyMetalHead] Monday, February 08, 2010 7:56:15 PM | |
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You guys must get all your info from the NFL channel..........
Peyton Manning has a record 4 MVP titles and a Super Bowl championship so he must be...... very overrated!
I'm sure if he left the Colts for some reason no other teams would be interested because he's such a choke artist!
Jeez!
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Monday, February 08, 2010 5:02:25 PM | |
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LOL! Yeah thats what I'm saying ron,Manning is very good and hes my favorite player today but he is overrated big time,hes not as good as everybody says he is at all. Now the best quarterback to ever play the game in my opinion is Joe Montana!!! And not just because he holds 4 Super Bowl rings,its everything rolled into one that he accomplished in his career,its amazing.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Monday, February 08, 2010 4:44:54 AM)| | | ron h wrote: | | Peyton Manning is a 4 time NFL MVP with only 1 SB win, hardly close to the best QB!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | llol! Yeah Jets may have beaten the Saints!! I like Manning too but I have to cower down and finally admit that he really is overrated and he can't mesure up to the "hype" that the midia gives him ranting and raving about how Manning is one of the best QBs in the history of the NFL...I say no way is he even close to a "clutch" quarterback like Joe Montana or Tom Brady theres just no way. Peyton has fallen short of trying to match what is expected of him all because he is one of the best only during the regular season,playoffs he is no better than any qb that makes it to the playoffs .
Like Mark Sanchez the rookie for example,he is just as good if not better than Peyton Manning during his first playoff run while during the regular season Manning can be as good as Montana or Brady consistantly but you get him in the playoffs and he chokes under pressure.He only has a super bowl ring because the Colts lucked out by only having to play the Bears with Rex Grossman that year so really when we hear all the hype of "Peyton Manning" we can all say that he is not close to it. (Quoting Message by iamnostradamus88 from Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:45:00 PM)
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| I'm a Jets fan so seeing Peyton lose was important haha. I actually like Peyton but can't like him right now :-P. But hey seriously congrats to the Saints. They deserved it. I said early on in the season they were gonna be a top dog. Good for New Orleans too. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Monday, February 08, 2010 4:59:20 PM | |
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Yeah the Jets may be in the Super Bowl next year,anything is up for grabs in the entire AFC conference.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by iamnostradamus88 from Monday, February 08, 2010 4:00:49 PM)| | | iamnostradamus88 wrote: | | | yea J.D i agree with you mostly. I believe strongly that peyton could very well win another super bowl before its all said and done. Still yes I agree hes a bit overrated. When hes great hes great though. God I hope Mark Sanchez and the Jets keep it up. I can't take it. I am proud of there playoff run, but god it took alot out of me lol. |
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| [iamnostradamus88] Monday, February 08, 2010 4:00:49 PM | |
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| yea J.D i agree with you mostly. I believe strongly that peyton could very well win another super bowl before its all said and done. Still yes I agree hes a bit overrated. When hes great hes great though. God I hope Mark Sanchez and the Jets keep it up. I can't take it. I am proud of there playoff run, but god it took alot out of me lol. |
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| [jimmyjames] Monday, February 08, 2010 4:46:35 AM | |
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| Morning Ron, how you been? |
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| [ron h] Monday, February 08, 2010 4:44:54 AM | |
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Peyton Manning is a 4 time NFL MVP with only 1 SB win, hardly close to the best QB!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:04:40 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | llol! Yeah Jets may have beaten the Saints!! I like Manning too but I have to cower down and finally admit that he really is overrated and he can't mesure up to the "hype" that the midia gives him ranting and raving about how Manning is one of the best QBs in the history of the NFL...I say no way is he even close to a "clutch" quarterback like Joe Montana or Tom Brady theres just no way. Peyton has fallen short of trying to match what is expected of him all because he is one of the best only during the regular season,playoffs he is no better than any qb that makes it to the playoffs .
Like Mark Sanchez the rookie for example,he is just as good if not better than Peyton Manning during his first playoff run while during the regular season Manning can be as good as Montana or Brady consistantly but you get him in the playoffs and he chokes under pressure.He only has a super bowl ring because the Colts lucked out by only having to play the Bears with Rex Grossman that year so really when we hear all the hype of "Peyton Manning" we can all say that he is not close to it. (Quoting Message by iamnostradamus88 from Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:45:00 PM)
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| I'm a Jets fan so seeing Peyton lose was important haha. I actually like Peyton but can't like him right now :-P. But hey seriously congrats to the Saints. They deserved it. I said early on in the season they were gonna be a top dog. Good for New Orleans too. |
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| [spapad] Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:09:27 PM | |
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| As a nonbiased person, I thought both teams brought it to the game only at different times. First half looked like Colts would easily win and then after half time the Saints reinvented themselves in 30 minutes and through the Colts off bigtime. After that the Colts just seem to loose the momentum and make mistake after mistake at the most inoportune time. Good game! |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:04:40 PM | |
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llol! Yeah Jets may have beaten the Saints!! I like Manning too but I have to cower down and finally admit that he really is overrated and he can't mesure up to the "hype" that the midia gives him ranting and raving about how Manning is one of the best QBs in the history of the NFL...I say no way is he even close to a "clutch" quarterback like Joe Montana or Tom Brady theres just no way. Peyton has fallen short of trying to match what is expected of him all because he is one of the best only during the regular season,playoffs he is no better than any qb that makes it to the playoffs .
Like Mark Sanchez the rookie for example,he is just as good if not better than Peyton Manning during his first playoff run while during the regular season Manning can be as good as Montana or Brady consistantly but you get him in the playoffs and he chokes under pressure.He only has a super bowl ring because the Colts lucked out by only having to play the Bears with Rex Grossman that year so really when we hear all the hype of "Peyton Manning" we can all say that he is not close to it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by iamnostradamus88 from Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:45:00 PM)
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| I'm a Jets fan so seeing Peyton lose was important haha. I actually like Peyton but can't like him right now :-P. But hey seriously congrats to the Saints. They deserved it. I said early on in the season they were gonna be a top dog. Good for New Orleans too. |
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| [iamnostradamus88] Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:45:00 PM | |
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| I'm a Jets fan so seeing Peyton lose was important haha. I actually like Peyton but can't like him right now :-P. But hey seriously congrats to the Saints. They deserved it. I said early on in the season they were gonna be a top dog. Good for New Orleans too. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:14:52 PM | |
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Well congrats to the New Orleans Saints for winning the Super Bowl fair and square,as much as I love watching Peyton Manning during the regular season this comes as no suprise at all as Peyton is a choke artist just like Brett Favre is even though they both have a super Bowl ring,they are lucky to have one.Now I think its definately official that Peyton Manning is the biggest "overrated" quarterback in the "history" of the National Football League. Yes he is good but he is not good enough to be compared to the greats like Joe Montana,Terry Bradshaw Troy Aikman and Tom Brady.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by FreakyMetalHead from Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:07:58 PM)
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| Hope the Colts beat the Saints and the ref's don't let the Saints defense take late cheap shots on Peyton Manning like they did Favre in the NFC championship..... I can't stand the Saints. |
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| [FreakyMetalHead] Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:07:58 PM | |
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| Hope the Colts beat the Saints and the ref's don't let the Saints defense take late cheap shots on Peyton Manning like they did Favre in the NFC championship..... I can't stand the Saints. |
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