Hey I liked the Monkeys!!!!!

		guidogodoy wrote:
		While I might agree with the other comments, how DARE you badmouth the Monkees!!! Bite your tongue, sir! Ok, you can make fun of Peter Tork but that is it...      METAL MELTDOWN wrote: Poison is Bubblegum with a distorted guitar.  They are no fucking different than whoever did "Yummy Yummy Yummy, I got love in my tummy" ( Boy didnt that one turn out to be about something!! ) or that "Sugar" tune from the 60's.  They are the fucking "Monkeys" of the 80's.  Sub standard pop to make teenage girls wet their panties.  And whos brilliant idea was it to make that Brett Michaels fuck even more of a celeb today?  VH1 lost some respect from me!!      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: Yes Head Banger I see your point,but bands like Poison must not be listed as "heavy metal". As Darth said below....he thinks that it's pop metal...but still "metal"......but its not ANY KIND of metal at all!  None of us here can change what the commercial media wants to categorize these geres but every time I see somebody post and list a band as "metal"...I'm going to have my say on it because "I can".....and I will. Darth,...these bands Poison and Cinerella..ect..are in no way shape or form "metal"..its not "pop metal".....its not hair band metal..its not glam metal .....it is not "METAL" at all.  Metal must be left out of these titles.      Head banger wrote: I gave up trying to categorize stuff a long time ago.  now there are 2 categories, what I like, and what I dont like.  think about it, is all priest metal, if so, what sub genre?  Rocka rolla?  painkiller?  most is NWOBHM, but could painkiller be thrash?  RR metal?      Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote: Funny but iTunes and Windows Media Player both list Poison and Cinderella as metal.   Ya know what?  I'm fine with it.   It's pop-metal, but it's still metal IMO.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: lol! Yeah hellrider un skinni bop bop bop bop!!! lol!  Here is a photo of  "Whitesnake" in 1987 the year this album Cobras posted came out....this is nowhere near a "fuck off to glam" attitude...just look at them! lol! If anything...this is a statement "for" the glam scene supporting "glam rock"!  Nice pink shirt this guy is wearing hellrider!! lol!   Sorry Cobras...I could'nt let this one slide here....I know your intentions were positive and I know you were just trying to get the point across to those who want to post a classic rock album in this thread..ect..ect..ect..but I had to clear up the aesthetics and genre of Whitesnake in the era of 1987.      hellrider 31038 wrote: poison is hard coreeeeeeee  metttt       tttaaallllllllll un skinni bop  bop  bop can you feel the poooowwwweeeerrrrr .     lol           J.D. DIAMOND wrote: Yeah,but those same bands you say are considered "hard rock" are considered 'heavy metal" by the commercial media....they call "Poison" heavy metal on MTV..ect...... is Poison really "heavy metal" to anyone here?I think not. With that being said....still Whitesnake are nowhere near being "hard rock" at all.  Just because a band pumps up volume with a few riffs..ect..does'nt mean they are "hard" ....Whitesnake are "soft".Just an observation.    (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 6:32:55 AM)   Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:   Actually J.D., even the glam bands are considered Hard Rock.  It's about attitude and volume.   Yeah, some if not a lot of the stuff is cheesey pop-metal ala Bon Jovi, but it's still Hard Rock when you strip away the hair and makeup and listen to the songs...a lot of which are very good and actually have meaning.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   This is in no way,shape of form a "hard rock" album Cobras....it is simply a  (in my opinion "overrated")  commercial hair band era 80's  "rock" album,not "hard rock"....."hard rock" is Motorhead....hard rock would be some of "AC/DC" not all,but some...hard rock would be some of "Saxon" even though they also play traditional heavy metal they still write hard rock songs... Hard rock is like some of the Scorpions..ect...these are hard rock bands,Whitesnake is no where near "hard rock"....and the era of the album you posted ..they were "glam" at the fullest dude,bunch of pretty boys with hair spray with the most commercial sound there was at that time. Sorry Cobras,not trying to make you angry here but Whitesnake is no where even near "hard" to be "hard rock" and thats what you put in the topic is "YOUR CLASSIC HARD ROCK ALBUM OF THE DAY".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   Well...classic rock and hard rock deserve attention too. So here is the thread. My album of the day is 1987 by Whitesnake. Great sound, great attitude and style. It's a lot like Guns N' Roses' Appetite For Destruction. Along with Appetite For Destruction and Racer X's Street Lethal, it was a big "Fuck You" to the glam movement. Well done boys. Edited at: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:58:25 AM Edited at: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:24:22 PM

OH MY GAWD!!!!!!   ITS  Meltdown!!!!!!!!!  How the hell are you?

		METAL MELTDOWN wrote:
		Poison is Bubblegum with a distorted guitar.  They are no fucking different than whoever did "Yummy Yummy Yummy, I got love in my tummy" ( Boy didnt that one turn out to be about something!! ) or that "Sugar" tune from the 60's.  They are the fucking "Monkeys" of the 80's.  Sub standard pop to make teenage girls wet their panties.  And whos brilliant idea was it to make that Brett Michaels fuck even more of a celeb today?  VH1 lost some respect from me!!      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: Yes Head Banger I see your point,but bands like Poison must not be listed as "heavy metal". As Darth said below....he thinks that it's pop metal...but still "metal"......but its not ANY KIND of metal at all!  None of us here can change what the commercial media wants to categorize these geres but every time I see somebody post and list a band as "metal"...I'm going to have my say on it because "I can".....and I will. Darth,...these bands Poison and Cinerella..ect..are in no way shape or form "metal"..its not "pop metal".....its not hair band metal..its not glam metal .....it is not "METAL" at all.  Metal must be left out of these titles.      Head banger wrote: I gave up trying to categorize stuff a long time ago.  now there are 2 categories, what I like, and what I dont like.  think about it, is all priest metal, if so, what sub genre?  Rocka rolla?  painkiller?  most is NWOBHM, but could painkiller be thrash?  RR metal?      Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote: Funny but iTunes and Windows Media Player both list Poison and Cinderella as metal.   Ya know what?  I'm fine with it.   It's pop-metal, but it's still metal IMO.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: lol! Yeah hellrider un skinni bop bop bop bop!!! lol!  Here is a photo of  "Whitesnake" in 1987 the year this album Cobras posted came out....this is nowhere near a "fuck off to glam" attitude...just look at them! lol! If anything...this is a statement "for" the glam scene supporting "glam rock"!  Nice pink shirt this guy is wearing hellrider!! lol!   Sorry Cobras...I could'nt let this one slide here....I know your intentions were positive and I know you were just trying to get the point across to those who want to post a classic rock album in this thread..ect..ect..ect..but I had to clear up the aesthetics and genre of Whitesnake in the era of 1987.      hellrider 31038 wrote: poison is hard coreeeeeeee  metttt       tttaaallllllllll un skinni bop  bop  bop can you feel the poooowwwweeeerrrrr .     lol           J.D. DIAMOND wrote: Yeah,but those same bands you say are considered "hard rock" are considered 'heavy metal" by the commercial media....they call "Poison" heavy metal on MTV..ect...... is Poison really "heavy metal" to anyone here?I think not. With that being said....still Whitesnake are nowhere near being "hard rock" at all.  Just because a band pumps up volume with a few riffs..ect..does'nt mean they are "hard" ....Whitesnake are "soft".Just an observation.    (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 6:32:55 AM)   Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:   Actually J.D., even the glam bands are considered Hard Rock.  It's about attitude and volume.   Yeah, some if not a lot of the stuff is cheesey pop-metal ala Bon Jovi, but it's still Hard Rock when you strip away the hair and makeup and listen to the songs...a lot of which are very good and actually have meaning.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   This is in no way,shape of form a "hard rock" album Cobras....it is simply a  (in my opinion "overrated")  commercial hair band era 80's  "rock" album,not "hard rock"....."hard rock" is Motorhead....hard rock would be some of "AC/DC" not all,but some...hard rock would be some of "Saxon" even though they also play traditional heavy metal they still write hard rock songs... Hard rock is like some of the Scorpions..ect...these are hard rock bands,Whitesnake is no where near "hard rock"....and the era of the album you posted ..they were "glam" at the fullest dude,bunch of pretty boys with hair spray with the most commercial sound there was at that time. Sorry Cobras,not trying to make you angry here but Whitesnake is no where even near "hard" to be "hard rock" and thats what you put in the topic is "YOUR CLASSIC HARD ROCK ALBUM OF THE DAY".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   Well...classic rock and hard rock deserve attention too. So here is the thread. My album of the day is 1987 by Whitesnake. Great sound, great attitude and style. It's a lot like Guns N' Roses' Appetite For Destruction. Along with Appetite For Destruction and Racer X's Street Lethal, it was a big "Fuck You" to the glam movement. Well done boys. Edited at: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:58:25 AM Edited at: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:24:22 PM

Guys, it doesn't matter what an artist or a band writes about...it's about the music itself.   Kiss is hard rock (and also made a couple of heavy metal albums in the early 80's)...but they sing about screwing and partying.   Hell, A SHITLOAD of bands from the 70s through today do that!   Whitesnake is one of them.   Poison and Cinderella are others.   Hmmmm...let's see who else?   Motley Crue?  Yes.  GnR?  Yes.   Tesla?  Yes.   Personally, I think it's all a matter of taste.   

Maybe we could get a better understanding of the differences in opinion by everyone giving their own definition of what is Metal and what is Hard Rock?

Here's what Metal is to me: It's an attitude.  It's a lifestyle for some.   It's stronger, more powerful and complex rythyms, riffs and lyrics.  The New York Times music critic Jon Pareles wrote, "In the taxonomy of popular music, heavy metal is a major subspecies of hard-rock—the breed with less syncopation, less blues, more showmanship and more brute force."  It's a quote that I think sums up Heavy Metal or just Metal in general, pretty accurately.

Hard Rock is rock and roll with a bigger punch.   It's louder, and hard rock bands/artists tend to be the ones who get the majority of airplay (Kiss, Led Zep, Alice Cooper, Deep Purple, etc...).  It's heavily blues-influenced and is generally more melodic in sound than Metal. 

Hellrider.....(lol)...its hard enough to get Saxon down here in the U.S.A.!!!!!!  They only have I think 3 U.S. shows this tour!! The whole tour!  And before this tour...they have'nt been to the states since 2002!!! lol!

Thier manager need to work on getting them around to a more variety of fans!!!!!

		hellrider 31038 wrote:
		yeah very nice pink shirt.lol.omg.yoooo J.D you tell saxon to get there butts to toronto july 9th or we get stuck with this .no offence intended to any whitesnake fans out there.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: lol! Yeah hellrider un skinni bop bop bop bop!!! lol!  Here is a photo of  "Whitesnake" in 1987 the year this album Cobras posted came out....this is nowhere near a "fuck off to glam" attitude...just look at them! lol! If anything...this is a statement "for" the glam scene supporting "glam rock"!  Nice pink shirt this guy is wearing hellrider!! lol!   Sorry Cobras...I could'nt let this one slide here....I know your intentions were positive and I know you were just trying to get the point across to those who want to post a classic rock album in this thread..ect..ect..ect..but I had to clear up the aesthetics and genre of Whitesnake in the era of 1987.      hellrider 31038 wrote: poison is hard coreeeeeeee  metttt       tttaaallllllllll un skinni bop  bop  bop can you feel the poooowwwweeeerrrrr .     lol           J.D. DIAMOND wrote: Yeah,but those same bands you say are considered "hard rock" are considered 'heavy metal" by the commercial media....they call "Poison" heavy metal on MTV..ect...... is Poison really "heavy metal" to anyone here?I think not. With that being said....still Whitesnake are nowhere near being "hard rock" at all.  Just because a band pumps up volume with a few riffs..ect..does'nt mean they are "hard" ....Whitesnake are "soft".Just an observation.    (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 6:32:55 AM)   Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:   Actually J.D., even the glam bands are considered Hard Rock.  It's about attitude and volume.   Yeah, some if not a lot of the stuff is cheesey pop-metal ala Bon Jovi, but it's still Hard Rock when you strip away the hair and makeup and listen to the songs...a lot of which are very good and actually have meaning.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   This is in no way,shape of form a "hard rock" album Cobras....it is simply a  (in my opinion "overrated")  commercial hair band era 80's  "rock" album,not "hard rock"....."hard rock" is Motorhead....hard rock would be some of "AC/DC" not all,but some...hard rock would be some of "Saxon" even though they also play traditional heavy metal they still write hard rock songs... Hard rock is like some of the Scorpions..ect...these are hard rock bands,Whitesnake is no where near "hard rock"....and the era of the album you posted ..they were "glam" at the fullest dude,bunch of pretty boys with hair spray with the most commercial sound there was at that time. Sorry Cobras,not trying to make you angry here but Whitesnake is no where even near "hard" to be "hard rock" and thats what you put in the topic is "YOUR CLASSIC HARD ROCK ALBUM OF THE DAY".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   Well...classic rock and hard rock deserve attention too. So here is the thread. My album of the day is 1987 by Whitesnake. Great sound, great attitude and style. It's a lot like Guns N' Roses' Appetite For Destruction. Along with Appetite For Destruction and Racer X's Street Lethal, it was a big "Fuck You" to the glam movement. Well done boys. Edited at: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:58:25 AM Edited at: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:24:22 PM

Shoot!! I love Whitesnake!! Their hard rock in my opinion. Check out this youtube video of slow and easy. I should know a little about this band cause I saw them in concert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW4LQN1Bx1Q

poison is hard coreeeeeeee  metttt       tttaaallllllllll



un skinni bop  bop  bop can you feel the poooowwwweeeerrrrr .     lol     

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		Yeah,but those same bands you say are considered "hard rock" are considered 'heavy metal" by the commercial media....they call "Poison" heavy metal on MTV..ect...... is Poison really "heavy metal" to anyone here?I think not. With that being said....still Whitesnake are nowhere near being "hard rock" at all.  Just because a band pumps up volume with a few riffs..ect..does'nt mean they are "hard" ....Whitesnake are "soft".Just an observation.    (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 6:32:55 AM)   Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:   Actually J.D., even the glam bands are considered Hard Rock.  It's about attitude and volume.   Yeah, some if not a lot of the stuff is cheesey pop-metal ala Bon Jovi, but it's still Hard Rock when you strip away the hair and makeup and listen to the songs...a lot of which are very good and actually have meaning.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   This is in no way,shape of form a "hard rock" album Cobras....it is simply a  (in my opinion "overrated")  commercial hair band era 80's  "rock" album,not "hard rock"....."hard rock" is Motorhead....hard rock would be some of "AC/DC" not all,but some...hard rock would be some of "Saxon" even though they also play traditional heavy metal they still write hard rock songs... Hard rock is like some of the Scorpions..ect...these are hard rock bands,Whitesnake is no where near "hard rock"....and the era of the album you posted ..they were "glam" at the fullest dude,bunch of pretty boys with hair spray with the most commercial sound there was at that time. Sorry Cobras,not trying to make you angry here but Whitesnake is no where even near "hard" to be "hard rock" and thats what you put in the topic is "YOUR CLASSIC HARD ROCK ALBUM OF THE DAY".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   Well...classic rock and hard rock deserve attention too. So here is the thread. My album of the day is 1987 by Whitesnake. Great sound, great attitude and style. It's a lot like Guns N' Roses' Appetite For Destruction. Along with Appetite For Destruction and Racer X's Street Lethal, it was a big "Fuck You" to the glam movement. Well done boys. Edited at: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:58:25 AM Edited at: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:24:22 PM