It is. Except it doesn't have the benefit of being part of Europe. The rest of Africa's a mess too.

		guidogodoy wrote:
		Hmmm...sounds very much like Spain c. 1492. Expulsion of the Jews that were the basis of the economy and the Moors who were the traders. They were once a world power and have been trying to recover ever since.      jimmyjames wrote: What I hate about the South African situation is that the government is basically advocating the slaughter of the people that keep the countrys infrastructure going. Once the whites in the country leave or are killed things will deteriorate and all that will be left will be millions of aids stricken, uneducated, starving tribal peoples ruled by a "government" which is actually nothing more than a dictatorship propped up by the military. See Rhodesia. Thing is no-one outside can do anything about it. Some of the stuff going on there makes the mind boggle.

Remember my post about intolerance. This is exactly what I was talking about. I feel so bad about Joe's situation
and I so commend her for her last post. To endure what she has to and still speak out against racism shows what  kind of person she is. I have nothing but respect for her. I so wish the world could follow. I can't pray but I hope and 
wish nothing but the best for Joe and her family. Show support all, she deserves it. Peace!

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		spapad wrote:
		I do feel for Joe and her situation and being forced to leave a home that she belongs to is injust. But Mr. Craig's post was not about that. He took this conversation and used it to his own means of hate speech. That is pathetic. There are many reasons for what has happened over the years in America and in other countries, but sadly it all comes down to hate being taught to a generation of beings, and passed along down the line. This is the poison that will kill us all.      jimmyjames wrote: Not sure what the situations like in the States. But I do think more peoples views would be in line with Craigs if you had been there too. Seeing that kind of thing happen is going to change your perspective for sure. It's not preaching hate, it's an opinion, that's all.  The thing is the LA riots is nothing compared to what's going on in South Africa. The blacks are out of control, it's like sharks at a feeding frenzy. Johannesburg, I think, is the most violent city in the world. When Joe says she fears for her family etc. She literally fears they could be killed at any time. That stuff happens there all the time.

The last thing I wanted to do with this discussion was turn it around into hate speach. The reason things are like they are today is very much due to hatred and intolerance of each other.  The black people in our country did have a shit deal for many, many years before I was even born. What I am going on about now is how after the democratic voting took place and apartheid was abolished in 1990, things have gotten worse. We live in an overpopulated world with imorral fat cats in leadership positions. Our current president was charged with corruption and rape (found not guilty), has multi wives and has just fathered his 20th child in a poverty stricken country? He (andf Julias) live in the lap of luxury while so many otheres starve.

If these so called leaders would not let gread and their own hedonism go into overdrive, there would be enough food/clothing/housing for so many more. Education is power but they make it impossible for lower class peoole to attend school while they go on shopping trips to Dubai and drive cars that are in the million rands price range (why?)

I am one of the lucky ones I guess, I have a nice home, food and can educate my children. Not many can say the same. I just wish that like Spa said earlier, people would stop focusing on past events and move the hell on. We have the potential to be so much more. Killing just because you don't like someone's skin colour will never be right.. on either side of the spectrum. I'm not hateful toward any race, I just feel very threatened being a white female in this country where we are on the brink of a race war because of ignorant people in power singing songs to starving black people validating the murder and rape of white people. 
That is what I was on about!

Please to anyone reading this. It was never about hate!
The last thing I want to be portrayed as is something I haved fought against my entire life here.. a racist.. I am certainly not a racist and I despise racists.

		Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
		I've lived in Los Angeles all my life and I can tell you this: black people are born troublemakers. It's something in their blood. They like to raise hell and cause destruction. The males especially. Check out this video of the LA riots in '92. It's mind boggling: I know what I'm talking about, because I was there during the spring of 1992, when all hell broke loose. The Africans are making a mess out of it and the whites just don't care. That's because we have lost every sense of community, patriotism and self-respect. We do not stand united. We do not help eachother out. Today individualism reigns supreme.  We don't give a shit. We are being brainwashed by the liberal media. The situation is taking a turn for the worse in South Africa and in the US. Europe will soon follow. The European continent is being flooded by african muslims as we speak. They are usurpers. The native Europeans are to become a minority on their own continent. Countries like France and the UK have the power to increase their native population if they want but the politicians who are in charge obviously don't care. This is what a former African leader said in 1974: "One day millions of men will leave the southern hemisphere to go to the northern hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory." Here's another interesting quote by an infamous African leader: "There are 50 million muslims in Europe as we speak. The 50 million muslims of Europe will turn it into a muslim continent within a few decades." Edited at: Sunday, April 11, 2010 7:38:10 AM

I couldn't disagree with your post more.  You can talk about specific incidents that cover all races and religions for both the good and the bad all day long and the bottom line is that there's good and bad in all.  How we deal with it is what makes the difference.

		Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
		I've lived in Los Angeles all my life and I can tell you this: black people are born troublemakers. It's something in their blood. They like to raise hell and cause destruction. The males especially. Check out this video of the LA riots in '92. It's mind boggling: I know what I'm talking about, because I was there during the spring of 1992, when all hell broke loose. The Africans are making a mess out of it and the whites just don't care. That's because we have lost every sense of community, patriotism and self-respect. We do not stand united. We do not help eachother out. Today individualism reigns supreme.  We don't give a shit. We are being brainwashed by the liberal media. The situation is taking a turn for the worse in South Africa and in the US. Europe will soon follow. The European continent is being flooded by african muslims as we speak. They are usurpers. The native Europeans are to become a minority on their own continent. Countries like France and the UK have the power to increase their native population if they want but the politicians who are in charge obviously don't care. This is what a former African leader said in 1974: "One day millions of men will leave the southern hemisphere to go to the northern hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory." Here's another interesting quote by an infamous African leader: "There are 50 million muslims in Europe as we speak. The 50 million muslims of Europe will turn it into a muslim continent within a few decades." Edited at: Sunday, April 11, 2010 7:38:10 AM

Well Becks, that's the thing. Everyday I read in the papers about farm murders. The black people here are pretty much obliterating the farmers. The farm murders are 9 times out of 10 men getting shot after watching their wives and daughters raped or elderly people getting brutally  murdered just because they are white and living on a farm. I found a page on facebook for the 'save or farmers' campaign. Against my better judgement I looked at some of the photos on the page and I still can't get the images out of my mind. An old man, bludgeoned to death. A women with her breasts burnt off, a baby burnt etc.. And then the blacks in the townships have this thing called necklacing.. ever heard of that?
If one of their own goes against them for whatever reason they put a tire around the victims neck and set them alight. Stand their whilst one of their own burns to death. 

Population is around 49 million and white people make up barely 10% of the population. If (and I'm starting to believe in my heart that it willl) things go south.. we're pretty screwed.

I had so much hope when the first ever democratic elections took place. I was 15 and seeing it was amazing.. I have to wonder if Mandela still has his faculties at 92 years old.. Does he look at what is happening here and think to himself.. 'This is not how I envisioned it to be?'

50 murders a day? I'd say closer to 100 due to the farm attacks.

		Becks wrote:
		Ok I just read some stats on South Africa in an article for one of NZs newspapers, about Terreblanches murder and violence which may occur because of it in SA etc. Not saying this for any reason other than I was amazed and saddened by these stats (SAs population is about 49 million): "The South African Police say there are 60 murders a day in the country. The Department of Home Affairs puts the figure at 83. Interpol believes the murder total in the Republic is 149 a day. That means, depending on whom you believe, that South Africa has as few as 21,000 murders a year or as many as 55,000 a year." "Other stats. Between April 2005 and March 2006 there were in South Africa 18,500 murders, 20,500 attempted murders and 55,000 rapes. There were a quarter of a million assaults with intent to cause grievous bodily harm. Ten per cent of South Africans live with HIV/Aids - over five million people. Average life expectancy in South Africa is 50 years. Unemployment is some 25 per cent - a figure that is roughly unchanged since 1998, and that kind of rate, as we know here, is a recipe for violent disaster."

G'mornin' Stevo! lol 

How's you doing? I've been trying to recover after a visit from mom & her husband.. Think my lungs are just about recovered lol. Then Zoey's birthday yesterday resulted in me running around for two days straight trying to bring everything together. Phew! Way too busy.. Anyone heard about the shit going on in my country round about now? Crazy shit.. I hope it isn't going to result in me seeking home on different shores but first time in  my life I've been worried.

		Necroticist wrote:
		gah - it's just too pathetic to reply to...and we all know who's gonna be the one that ends up sad, lonely and most likely in an institution...