| [guidogodoy] Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:50:35 AM | |
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Well, I believe there was a bit of a discussion about that but until Queen Dawn shows up again, you are Brittany! LOL!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Angelic Storm from Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:44:59 AM)| |  | Angelic Storm wrote: | | Thank you Guido. Thats very sweet of you to say so :)
Chipmunks! Haha, Which one was I again? :P
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I have to chime in that it IS good to have you back, my friend. After all, what would this site be with out Angelic Storm? After all, you are my favorite Chipmunk! 
| | | Angelic Storm wrote: | | Aww, thanks Bev! I havent been on here for a long while now...it's good to be back :)
| | | Bev wrote: | | | Angelic Storm ... nice to read your comments - Have always enjoyed your posts! Cool to see you out and about again : ) |
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| [Angelic Storm] Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:44:59 AM | |
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Thank you Guido. Thats very sweet of you to say so :)
Chipmunks! Haha, Which one was I again? :P
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, August 07, 2009 2:10:57 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I have to chime in that it IS good to have you back, my friend. After all, what would this site be with out Angelic Storm? After all, you are my favorite Chipmunk!
| | | Angelic Storm wrote: | | Aww, thanks Bev! I havent been on here for a long while now...it's good to be back :)
| | | Bev wrote: | | | Angelic Storm ... nice to read your comments - Have always enjoyed your posts! Cool to see you out and about again : ) |
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| [Coyotee Bongwater] Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:11:07 PM | |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:18:58 AM | |
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A "harsh way" to put it? Are we supposed to be "kind" to racist assholes who quit liking a band because the singer is gay?
Rob and Priest have gained fans from this if anything so they replace those losers. Fuckin nazi racist assholes!!!
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| [Becks] Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:28:23 AM | |
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You put that very succinctly HRMG! As for the rock n roll hall of fame, it's a complete load of crap! I mean, Run DMC is in! Madonna is in! WTF! But no Thin Lizzy, Deep Purple, Priest or Maiden. Load of hooey.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:25:56 AM)| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | | I would have to say that they really aren't fans if they leave because Rob is gay rather than for a reason based on the MUSIC!! Fans are people that stick around through thick and thin. For some that was Turbo, for others it was the Ripper era and for some it is Nostradamus. The people that left because Rob is gay were NEVER TRULY fans and therefore, Priest didn't really lose anything when those people left (in my opinion)!! Priest wants to play to fans that KNOW and LOVE their music, not to a full house with no one singing!
I've never cared very much about what is "popular" anyway. I just wish that Priest would finally receive the praise and recognition that they deserve!! Why are they not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Why don't they win Grammy's? Now that's a bunch of crap!
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| [HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:25:56 AM | |
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I would have to say that they really aren't fans if they leave because Rob is gay rather than for a reason based on the MUSIC!! Fans are people that stick around through thick and thin. For some that was Turbo, for others it was the Ripper era and for some it is Nostradamus. The people that left because Rob is gay were NEVER TRULY fans and therefore, Priest didn't really lose anything when those people left (in my opinion)!! Priest wants to play to fans that KNOW and LOVE their music, not to a full house with no one singing!
I've never cared very much about what is "popular" anyway. I just wish that Priest would finally receive the praise and recognition that they deserve!! Why are they not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Why don't they win Grammy's? Now that's a bunch of crap!
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| [Brian_Evans] Monday, August 10, 2009 9:41:28 PM | |
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THATS A HARSH WAY TO PUT IT BUT I GUESS YOU HAVE YOUR ONIONS. I hate to see Priest lose fans even if they are ignorant Nazis.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Monday, August 10, 2009 5:21:39 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah but the fans they lost were racist homophobic homosexual bashers that may as well be Nazis from Germany in 1942,so who the hell needs those racist bastards? Nobody.
I'm glad those fans don't like Judas Priest anymore because Rob is gay because it "exposes" thier ignorance. Bunch of fuckin contradicting racist bastards.
| | | Brian_Evans wrote: | | I THINK THEY LOST A FEW FANS BECAUSE OF IT. .I'M STILL A FAN. I mean thats his personal business and none of mine so thats just my opinion. They may have gained a few fans also so maybe it just doesn't make any difference.
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| [hellrider 31038] Monday, August 10, 2009 8:23:57 PM | |
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you can get an amp at a garage sale or thrift shop to for next to nothing.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Monday, August 10, 2009 8:08:23 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | I have a great turntable but I need to find an amp that its LOUD! to plug my Bose back into, if they are not dryrotted by now! LOL
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | you should pick up a used one at a garage sale or thrift shop.
| | | spapad wrote: | | HA!!! I owned that Album, well still do, it's just on vinyl which means I currently have no way to play it! LOL
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shnPou7wZa0&feature=channel_page
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah but the fans they lost were racist homophobic homosexual bashers that may as well be Nazis from Germany in 1942,so who the hell needs those racist bastards? Nobody.
I'm glad those fans don't like Judas Priest anymore because Rob is gay because it "exposes" thier ignorance. Bunch of fuckin contradicting racist bastards.
| | | Brian_Evans wrote: | | I THINK THEY LOST A FEW FANS BECAUSE OF IT. .I'M STILL A FAN. I mean thats his personal business and none of mine so thats just my opinion. They may have gained a few fans also so maybe it just doesn't make any difference.
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| [spapad] Monday, August 10, 2009 8:08:23 PM | |
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I have a great turntable but I need to find an amp that its LOUD! to plug my Bose back into, if they are not dryrotted by now! LOL
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Monday, August 10, 2009 7:57:05 PM)| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | you should pick up a used one at a garage sale or thrift shop.
| | | spapad wrote: | | HA!!! I owned that Album, well still do, it's just on vinyl which means I currently have no way to play it! LOL
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shnPou7wZa0&feature=channel_page
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah but the fans they lost were racist homophobic homosexual bashers that may as well be Nazis from Germany in 1942,so who the hell needs those racist bastards? Nobody.
I'm glad those fans don't like Judas Priest anymore because Rob is gay because it "exposes" thier ignorance. Bunch of fuckin contradicting racist bastards.
| | | Brian_Evans wrote: | | I THINK THEY LOST A FEW FANS BECAUSE OF IT. .I'M STILL A FAN. I mean thats his personal business and none of mine so thats just my opinion. They may have gained a few fans also so maybe it just doesn't make any difference.
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| [hellrider 31038] Monday, August 10, 2009 7:57:05 PM | |
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[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Monday, August 10, 2009 7:54:06 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | HA!!! I owned that Album, well still do, it's just on vinyl which means I currently have no way to play it! LOL
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shnPou7wZa0&feature=channel_page
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah but the fans they lost were racist homophobic homosexual bashers that may as well be Nazis from Germany in 1942,so who the hell needs those racist bastards? Nobody.
I'm glad those fans don't like Judas Priest anymore because Rob is gay because it "exposes" thier ignorance. Bunch of fuckin contradicting racist bastards.
| | | Brian_Evans wrote: | | I THINK THEY LOST A FEW FANS BECAUSE OF IT. .I'M STILL A FAN. I mean thats his personal business and none of mine so thats just my opinion. They may have gained a few fans also so maybe it just doesn't make any difference.
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| [spapad] Monday, August 10, 2009 7:54:06 PM | |
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HA!!! I owned that Album, well still do, it's just on vinyl which means I currently have no way to play it! LOL
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Monday, August 10, 2009 7:47:57 PM)| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shnPou7wZa0&feature=channel_page
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah but the fans they lost were racist homophobic homosexual bashers that may as well be Nazis from Germany in 1942,so who the hell needs those racist bastards? Nobody.
I'm glad those fans don't like Judas Priest anymore because Rob is gay because it "exposes" thier ignorance. Bunch of fuckin contradicting racist bastards.
| | | Brian_Evans wrote: | | I THINK THEY LOST A FEW FANS BECAUSE OF IT. .I'M STILL A FAN. I mean thats his personal business and none of mine so thats just my opinion. They may have gained a few fans also so maybe it just doesn't make any difference.
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| [hellrider 31038] Monday, August 10, 2009 7:47:57 PM | |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shnPou7wZa0&feature=channel_page
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Monday, August 10, 2009 5:21:39 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah but the fans they lost were racist homophobic homosexual bashers that may as well be Nazis from Germany in 1942,so who the hell needs those racist bastards? Nobody.
I'm glad those fans don't like Judas Priest anymore because Rob is gay because it "exposes" thier ignorance. Bunch of fuckin contradicting racist bastards.
| | | Brian_Evans wrote: | | I THINK THEY LOST A FEW FANS BECAUSE OF IT. .I'M STILL A FAN. I mean thats his personal business and none of mine so thats just my opinion. They may have gained a few fans also so maybe it just doesn't make any difference.
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| [Necroticist] Monday, August 10, 2009 4:16:20 PM | |
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| Why the heck ppl can't end dumb threads like this with an easy statement is beyond me. OK - do JP NEED to be more popular for ANY reason??? Look at the success/fame/money....they can do very little wrong and i am sure they are happy with it. So stfu and go to/open some more interesting topic. (So Lame). |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Monday, August 10, 2009 4:07:45 PM | |
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That is correct chileansteel!!! Judas Priest has all of it's "true" fans now. Those "other fans" who decided to drop Priest because of Rob were nothing more than a "trend".
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by chileansteel from Monday, August 10, 2009 9:36:36 AM)| | | chileansteel wrote: | | I agree with you! We don`t need them anymore!!! LOL. Now, Judas Priest has their true fans who will love them and defend the faith to death!!!
All Guns Blazing!!!!!!!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah but the fans they lost were racist homophobic homosexual bashers that may as well be Nazis from Germany in 1942,so who the hell needs those racist bastards? Nobody.
I'm glad those fans don't like Judas Priest anymore because Rob is gay because it "exposes" thier ignorance. Bunch of fuckin contradicting racist bastards.
| | | Brian_Evans wrote: | | I THINK THEY LOST A FEW FANS BECAUSE OF IT. .I'M STILL A FAN. I mean thats his personal business and none of mine so thats just my opinion. They may have gained a few fans also so maybe it just doesn't make any difference.
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| [chileansteel] Monday, August 10, 2009 9:36:36 AM | |
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I agree with you! We don`t need them anymore!!! LOL. Now, Judas Priest has their true fans who will love them and defend the faith to death!!!
All Guns Blazing!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Monday, August 10, 2009 5:21:39 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah but the fans they lost were racist homophobic homosexual bashers that may as well be Nazis from Germany in 1942,so who the hell needs those racist bastards? Nobody.
I'm glad those fans don't like Judas Priest anymore because Rob is gay because it "exposes" thier ignorance. Bunch of fuckin contradicting racist bastards.
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Monday, August 10, 2009 5:21:39 AM | |
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Yeah but the fans they lost were racist homophobic homosexual bashers that may as well be Nazis from Germany in 1942,so who the hell needs those racist bastards? Nobody.
I'm glad those fans don't like Judas Priest anymore because Rob is gay because it "exposes" thier ignorance. Bunch of fuckin contradicting racist bastards.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Brian_Evans from Sunday, August 09, 2009 9:49:01 PM)| | | Brian_Evans wrote: | | I THINK THEY LOST A FEW FANS BECAUSE OF IT. .I'M STILL A FAN. I mean thats his personal business and none of mine so thats just my opinion. They may have gained a few fans also so maybe it just doesn't make any difference.
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| [Brian_Evans] Sunday, August 09, 2009 9:49:01 PM | |
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I THINK THEY LOST A FEW FANS BECAUSE OF IT. .I'M STILL A FAN. I mean thats his personal business and none of mine so thats just my opinion. They may have gained a few fans also so maybe it just doesn't make any difference.
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| [hellrider 31038] Sunday, August 09, 2009 9:08:23 PM | |
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HEELLLLLLLL YEEEAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH COOOOMMMMMMMMAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDDEEEERRRRRRRR.DO YOU FEEL THE POOOOOWWWWEEEERRRRRRRR
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:21:43 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | ALL GUNS BLAAAAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL! HELL YEAH the HELLLLLLLLLLLL RIDER!!!!
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | ALLLLLL GUUUUNNNNSSSSSSS
let it rip J.D its the forth 1.lol
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:21:43 AM | |
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ALL GUNS BLAAAAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL! HELL YEAH the HELLLLLLLLLLLL RIDER!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:45:11 AM)| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | ALLLLLL GUUUUNNNNSSSSSSS
let it rip J.D its the forth 1.lol
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| [hellrider 31038] Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:45:11 AM | |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:41:48 AM | |
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ALL GUNS BLAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:32:58 AM)| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | ALLLLLLL GUUUUNNNNNSSSSSSSS
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| [hellrider 31038] Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:32:58 AM | |
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ALLLLLLL GUUUUNNNNNSSSSSSSS
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by british.steel from Saturday, August 08, 2009 8:37:55 PM)| | | british.steel wrote: | | | ALL GUNS BLAZING!!!!! |
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| [hellrider 31038] Saturday, August 08, 2009 8:10:27 PM | |
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[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Saturday, August 08, 2009 7:14:36 PM)| | | Phantom A6 wrote: | | All guns blaaaaaaaazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| [Phantom A6] Saturday, August 08, 2009 7:14:36 PM | |
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All guns blaaaaaaaazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Saturday, August 08, 2009 7:13:49 PM)| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | ALLLLLLLL GUUUUUNNNNNNSSSSS
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| [guidogodoy] Friday, August 07, 2009 2:10:57 PM | |
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I have to chime in that it IS good to have you back, my friend. After all, what would this site be with out Angelic Storm? After all, you are my favorite Chipmunk!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Angelic Storm from Friday, August 07, 2009 10:02:49 AM)| | | Angelic Storm wrote: | | Aww, thanks Bev! I havent been on here for a long while now...it's good to be back :)
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| [metalmaz] Friday, August 07, 2009 11:05:17 AM | |
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Or the people who wear rock T shirts as fashion statements and they probably don't know any songs from the band they are displaying
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:37:31 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I agree metalmaz.....I've seen many so-called "die-hard-fans" of Priest when really they are a casual fan....I ask them about albums or songs and they can't even name all thier albums!
| | | metalmaz wrote: | | I think most people who attend concerts whether it be Priest or Maiden or Metallica or whoever tend to be casual rather than die hard fans. A lot of them won't have every single release by them and I reckon most of them have never been near the JP forum either.
I bet if you did a straw poll many people in a Priest concert wouldn't be able to name all their releases as well. And does it matter? If you put a ban on them because "they are not real fans" Priest would be playing to unfilled veneus.
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I do notice a marked change in style with british steel, and again with painkiller. then of course rob left....
its actualy not the converting the casual I think that is the problem, its getting the casual fan to begin with. how many maiden "fans" are there that cant name half the CD's they have put out, and own edward the great and one other. priest doesnt have those "fans"
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| [Angelic Storm] Friday, August 07, 2009 10:02:49 AM | |
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Aww, thanks Bev! I havent been on here for a long while now...it's good to be back :)
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Bev from Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:37:36 AM)| | | Bev wrote: | | | Angelic Storm ... nice to read your comments - Have always enjoyed your posts! Cool to see you out and about again : ) |
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| [spapad] Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:31:12 PM | |
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I never lost a copy except when my car was broken into. Other than that I garded my music like a librarian gard her books! HA!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:26:05 PM)| | | ron h wrote: | | Being 14-15 years old at the time, it drove me insane!!!! I must've baught 7-8 cassettes of BS the first year alone...either wore 'em out or they were taken...probably have bought 20 or so variations of BS over the years as they always turn up missing!!!! I'd like to think that they went to good use, or I'd still have 'em!!!!
| | | spapad wrote: | | One of my favs with slamming doors, utensil trays, guitar string whips, and mike stands! That song sounded like nothing we had EVER heard! in it's day!And it stands the test of time like all of Priest's music!
| | | ron h wrote: | | And what a wonderful Metal anthem it is
| | | spapad wrote: | | Now if your talking about he music of course we must all fall to our knees and worship the Metal Gods! They even gave us a song to do it with!
| | | ron h wrote: | | The look? Of course it was all Rob...every Priest fan knows that (as well asmany others)...just Metal in general is all I'm saying...No disagreement here
| | | spapad wrote: | | They went along with it so it must have been fine with them! And every girl knows how hot the Guys look all decked in leather!
| | | ron h wrote: | | Oh, I do not disagree, but I'd like to think KK, Glenn, Ian and Binks had a little something to do with it as well...
| | | spapad wrote: | | Hello Brother Ron! and Welcome to Metal church! HA!! Yes of course, that is what we are talking about, and i don't know, I kind of like Hellrider said about this in the first place. All would have been different if all facets of Rob's personality were not the same as he grew up being. (Quoting Message by ron h from Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:51:34 PM)
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| [ron h] Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:26:05 PM | |
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Being 14-15 years old at the time, it drove me insane!!!! I must've baught 7-8 cassettes of BS the first year alone...either wore 'em out or they were taken...probably have bought 20 or so variations of BS over the years as they always turn up missing!!!! I'd like to think that they went to good use, or I'd still have 'em!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:20:17 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | One of my favs with slamming doors, utensil trays, guitar string whips, and mike stands! That song sounded like nothing we had EVER heard! in it's day!And it stands the test of time like all of Priest's music!
| | | ron h wrote: | | And what a wonderful Metal anthem it is
| | | spapad wrote: | | Now if your talking about he music of course we must all fall to our knees and worship the Metal Gods! They even gave us a song to do it with!
| | | ron h wrote: | | The look? Of course it was all Rob...every Priest fan knows that (as well asmany others)...just Metal in general is all I'm saying...No disagreement here
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| | | spapad wrote: | | Hello Brother Ron! and Welcome to Metal church! HA!! Yes of course, that is what we are talking about, and i don't know, I kind of like Hellrider said about this in the first place. All would have been different if all facets of Rob's personality were not the same as he grew up being. (Quoting Message by ron h from Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:51:34 PM)
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One of my favs with slamming doors, utensil trays, guitar string whips, and mike stands! That song sounded like nothing we had EVER heard! in it's day!And it stands the test of time like all of Priest's music!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:18:08 PM)| | | ron h wrote: | | And what a wonderful Metal anthem it is
| | | spapad wrote: | | Now if your talking about he music of course we must all fall to our knees and worship the Metal Gods! They even gave us a song to do it with!
| | | ron h wrote: | | The look? Of course it was all Rob...every Priest fan knows that (as well asmany others)...just Metal in general is all I'm saying...No disagreement here
| | | spapad wrote: | | They went along with it so it must have been fine with them! And every girl knows how hot the Guys look all decked in leather!
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| | | spapad wrote: | | Hello Brother Ron! and Welcome to Metal church! HA!! Yes of course, that is what we are talking about, and i don't know, I kind of like Hellrider said about this in the first place. All would have been different if all facets of Rob's personality were not the same as he grew up being. (Quoting Message by ron h from Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:51:34 PM)
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[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:14:46 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | Now if your talking about he music of course we must all fall to our knees and worship the Metal Gods! They even gave us a song to do it with!
| | | ron h wrote: | | The look? Of course it was all Rob...every Priest fan knows that (as well asmany others)...just Metal in general is all I'm saying...No disagreement here
| | | spapad wrote: | | They went along with it so it must have been fine with them! And every girl knows how hot the Guys look all decked in leather!
| | | ron h wrote: | | Oh, I do not disagree, but I'd like to think KK, Glenn, Ian and Binks had a little something to do with it as well...
| | | spapad wrote: | | Hello Brother Ron! and Welcome to Metal church! HA!! Yes of course, that is what we are talking about, and i don't know, I kind of like Hellrider said about this in the first place. All would have been different if all facets of Rob's personality were not the same as he grew up being. (Quoting Message by ron h from Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:51:34 PM)
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Now if your talking about he music of course we must all fall to our knees and worship the Metal Gods! They even gave us a song to do it with!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:12:28 PM)| | | ron h wrote: | | The look? Of course it was all Rob...every Priest fan knows that (as well asmany others)...just Metal in general is all I'm saying...No disagreement here
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| | | spapad wrote: | | Hello Brother Ron! and Welcome to Metal church! HA!! Yes of course, that is what we are talking about, and i don't know, I kind of like Hellrider said about this in the first place. All would have been different if all facets of Rob's personality were not the same as he grew up being. (Quoting Message by ron h from Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:51:34 PM)
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The look? Of course it was all Rob...every Priest fan knows that (as well asmany others)...just Metal in general is all I'm saying...No disagreement here
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:09:16 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | They went along with it so it must have been fine with them! And every girl knows how hot the Guys look all decked in leather!
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| | | spapad wrote: | | Hello Brother Ron! and Welcome to Metal church! HA!! Yes of course, that is what we are talking about, and i don't know, I kind of like Hellrider said about this in the first place. All would have been different if all facets of Rob's personality were not the same as he grew up being. (Quoting Message by ron h from Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:51:34 PM)
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They went along with it so it must have been fine with them! And every girl knows how hot the Guys look all decked in leather!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:04:27 PM)| | | ron h wrote: | | Oh, I do not disagree, but I'd like to think KK, Glenn, Ian and Binks had a little something to do with it as well...
| | | spapad wrote: | | Hello Brother Ron! and Welcome to Metal church! HA!! Yes of course, that is what we are talking about, and i don't know, I kind of like Hellrider said about this in the first place. All would have been different if all facets of Rob's personality were not the same as he grew up being. (Quoting Message by ron h from Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:51:34 PM)
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words from the ALLMIGHTY one and only METAL GOD HIMSELF
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:06:17 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | More fine words delivered from the pulpit of Hot Molten Metal! AMEN!  
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | "I think now, as far as image and identity are concerned, we've got the whole thing down pat and it's pretty solid. I don't think we'll ever really deviate to any degree from our physical presentation because you know how important it is to maintain a certain level of imagery, so that when people think of Rob Halford, or whomever else in the band, they instantly paint a mental picture of the way you are rather than just your music. They remember the whips and the motorbikes. The whole process of imagery now, I think, is important or even more important than it has been in the past. I think the identity side of it is crucial to a certain extent. Bands don't get anywhere if they're faceless. You can have the greatest sounding album in the world, but if people can't relate to an individual or to the group as a whole in their appearance, then the band isn't really getting anywhere."- Rob Halford, Heavy Metal Times, November 1982
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More fine words delivered from the pulpit of Hot Molten Metal! AMEN!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:03:13 PM)| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | "I think now, as far as image and identity are concerned, we've got the whole thing down pat and it's pretty solid. I don't think we'll ever really deviate to any degree from our physical presentation because you know how important it is to maintain a certain level of imagery, so that when people think of Rob Halford, or whomever else in the band, they instantly paint a mental picture of the way you are rather than just your music. They remember the whips and the motorbikes. The whole process of imagery now, I think, is important or even more important than it has been in the past. I think the identity side of it is crucial to a certain extent. Bands don't get anywhere if they're faceless. You can have the greatest sounding album in the world, but if people can't relate to an individual or to the group as a whole in their appearance, then the band isn't really getting anywhere."- Rob Halford, Heavy Metal Times, November 1982
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Oh, I do not disagree, but I'd like to think KK, Glenn, Ian and Binks had a little something to do with it as well...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:55:23 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | Hello Brother Ron! and Welcome to Metal church! HA!! Yes of course, that is what we are talking about, and i don't know, I kind of like Hellrider said about this in the first place. All would have been different if all facets of Rob's personality were not the same as he grew up being. (Quoting Message by ron h from Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:51:34 PM)
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"I think now, as far as image and identity are concerned, we've got the whole thing down pat and it's pretty solid. I don't think we'll ever really deviate to any degree from our physical presentation because you know how important it is to maintain a certain level of imagery, so that when people think of Rob Halford, or whomever else in the band, they instantly paint a mental picture of the way you are rather than just your music. They remember the whips and the motorbikes. The whole process of imagery now, I think, is important or even more important than it has been in the past. I think the identity side of it is crucial to a certain extent. Bands don't get anywhere if they're faceless. You can have the greatest sounding album in the world, but if people can't relate to an individual or to the group as a whole in their appearance, then the band isn't really getting anywhere."- Rob Halford, Heavy Metal Times, November 1982
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Hello Brother Ron! and Welcome to Metal church! HA!! Yes of course, that is what we are talking about, and i don't know, I kind of like Hellrider said about this in the first place. All would have been different if all facets of Rob's personality were not the same as he grew up being. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:51:34 PM)
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[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:49:08 PM)| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | METAL WOULD NOT EXSIST WITHOUT THE METAL GOD sister spapad
| | | spapad wrote: | | AMEN! Brother Hellrider!   Can I get a witness!!!
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | "That was another turning point for the band. Rob was very instrumental in laying down laws and codes for what heavy metal bands should wear at that point in time. The whole leather image stemmed from that era and now it's just accepted that's what goes with heavy metal. Up to that point, it was spandex and satin trousers, or even jeans and T-shirts."- Glenn Tipton, Heavy Duty official biography, 1984
in my opinion HEAVY MEEETTT TTTTAAAALLLLL would not exsist without the METAL GOD
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Yes spapad that is correct. Look at this picture of "Venom" from 1981 .....Venom created "black metal" and the members "Cronos,Abbadon and Mantis" are not gay,....
Cronos even said that he got his leather,studs and spikes image from "Rob Halford" and Judas Priest because they set the standard of what metal's image looked like.
It wasn't a trend and the other bands were not ripping Halford off,but that image fit for not only heavy metal...but for black metal and the true old school death metal bands as well.
The most abrasive bands in the extreme metal underground like old "Deicide", old "Morbid Angel" and "Mayhem" with Euronymous(r.i.p.)knew Rob was gay and didn't even
think long enough about it to give a rats! I've read articles where they mention Rob Halford as an influence that got them into metal in the first place. Its crazy to sit back and
look at what Rob created with heavy metal's image.....and still to this day...in my opinion studs,spikes,chains,denim & leather,bullet belts,pins on jackets,finger cut black gloves..ect....
all of these aesthetics are needed in heavy metal ....not that a band will be "good" just because they were the image,but without it...they really don't have a chance to continue the
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true spirit of early Traditional British styled Heavy Metal ......I can't count the many times someone says : "Heres a heavy metal band for you to listen to"....and then I listen to it and
it doesn't sound heavy metalish.....and then I look at the band's photo and low and behold? Its a bunch of college frat rockers with baggy jungle pants the kind that the ass hangs down
and almost touches the floor...with a Hockey jersey on ( "nothing against hockey fans but it doesn't belong in metal" ) with a freaking "BASEBALL HAT" on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOFL!!!!!
And absolutely " NOTHING AGAINST PEOPLE WHO WEAR BASEBALL HATS"....its just that they don't belong in heavy metal's image. Bands that play a rock/and heavy metal seem to
be able to wear a mix between heavy metal and a rock image like Saxon...they play traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden but they also write "rock songs" and have always
said they are heavy metal/rock band.....Paul Quinn,one of the guitarists wears a baseball hat but usually wears a leather vest and ect.... Motorhead is a hard rock band and not a heavy metal band
so Lemmy's image has always been the same..... But Rob sure set the standards of heavy metal and its quite awsome on a massive scale how he himself not only wore the gay biker outfits but also
wore the total traditional heavy metal image. What a guy!!!!!!!!!
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Perhaps I missread, but to be honest, I don't find it to be of great importance. I do feel Rob influenced the whole look of metal by simply chosing the ruff boy gay look of the seventies to gear up priest, and Metal fans everywhere embrassed what was first a gay image and made it there own and to this day, if you see that much leather you know, you talking Metal. Fine by me! I love it!
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In that case, my previous points still stand! If Priest were not in the media on those occasions purely because of Rob's sexuality, then they cant be used as examples of them being more known about purely because of that. Like I say, Ive only known of one occasion where Rob's sexuality has been specifically mentioned in the mainstream media. lol
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They appeared on Jimmy Kimmel live last year, which was a late night talk show here. They are still in so many Metal Mags, Rolling Stone still covers them, they were up for what, two Grammys last year? I'd say they don't fly completly under the radar!
Thank God they are not covered in the way all media portrays half the celebrities in this world, talk about a dirty landryfest on the behalf of the media, it's disgusting to be so intrusive into anyone's life.
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Seeing as I live in the UK, I didnt know about that :P
Maybe it is different in the American mainstream media, but certainly in the UK, neither Rob, nor Priest are really any more in the media now, then before he came out. If it's different in the US, then I take back what I said in my previous post lol
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I think you overestimate the amount of people who only know about Priest through Rob's sexuality. I think very few people outside of the metal community have any idea about Judas Priest, let alone Rob's sexuality. Most outside of the metal community only know what the mainstream media feeds them, and I dont think Rob or Priest are much more in the mainstream media now, than before Rob came out of the closet. Maybe you have heard a lot about it in the mainstream media, but I certainly havent. I think one time a few years ago, I saw Graham Norton mention Rob on his show, but aside from that one time, I've yet to see Rob's sexuality mentioned in any mainstream media, outside of specifically metal publications. Im sure there are a tiny minority of people who know about Priest now, but wouldnt have if Rob wasnt gay. But to say its "a lot of people", I think is overestimating it.
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Yes, my friend. We do love him. And so do tens of thousands of people all around the world. I don't think there is any question that Rob Halford is respected and loved. That is true. I think what it really comes down to is, there are a lot of people that do not care for Metal and do not know his work but they DO know about his sexuality. You cannot ignore that. It makes a difference in so much as the number of human beings that are aware of the Band. It does make a difference.
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Yes Freeze...I agree. There are a lot of people who don't know Judas Priest that well and connect the fact that "Isn't that the band with the gay guy singing"? They don't say that in a negative way ..
they are just trying to make that connection and some people may take that the wrong way,but the average person who asks this is not meaning any disrespect or what not.
If Rob were to log on this forum right now,he would be flattered that so many of us accept him for what he is...an "EQUAL" to each and every one of us. We love you Rob!!!!!!!
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Hmm.. I have tried to avoid commenting only because I detest yet ANOTHER moronic Thread but I suppose I will throw in my "two cents" on the subject...AGAIN.
YES. Rob's sexuality DOES make a difference! I have said that before and I hold to that position today. It is OH so chic to make flowery speeches about how "it doesn't matter" and "true fans don't care" and whatnot and, of course, to those of us that are TRUE fans, it doesn't. The fact remains, there is a HUGE number of people in this world that only know Priest because "they have that gay guy" singing for them. We have ALL heard that comment in some form.
The fact that Rob Halford is a gay man in a Heavy Metal band IS a big deal. It is noteworthy and it has brought them attention where they may never had received any. There is a large portion of people that know about the band because Rob is openly gay and THAT makes it part of the equation, regardless of whether or not one believes it "matters". Matters how??? Matters from a talent standpoint? No. From an ability standpoint? No. By saying "it does not matter", one is suggesting (I assume) that he still can sing. This is quite true. But the topic here is "Would Priest be more popular" if Rob were NOT gay. I believe the answer is, no. They would not be "more" popular. There would likely be no significant difference as far as popularity is concerned. Today's "popular" music is chock full of gay people.
I think the more appropriate comment would be that they would not be as well known be as many people. That seems like a safe bet. They will always have a fanbase. They will always have the achievements they have. Gay or straight, I doubt that would be affected. Popularity? Nah, I doubt that as well. Notoriety? THAT is a possibility. By this fact alone, it DOES make a difference.
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METAL WOULD NOT EXSIST WITHOUT THE METAL GOD sister spapad
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:41:26 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | AMEN! Brother Hellrider! Can I get a witness!!!
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Yes spapad that is correct. Look at this picture of "Venom" from 1981 .....Venom created "black metal" and the members "Cronos,Abbadon and Mantis" are not gay,....
Cronos even said that he got his leather,studs and spikes image from "Rob Halford" and Judas Priest because they set the standard of what metal's image looked like.
It wasn't a trend and the other bands were not ripping Halford off,but that image fit for not only heavy metal...but for black metal and the true old school death metal bands as well.
The most abrasive bands in the extreme metal underground like old "Deicide", old "Morbid Angel" and "Mayhem" with Euronymous(r.i.p.)knew Rob was gay and didn't even
think long enough about it to give a rats! I've read articles where they mention Rob Halford as an influence that got them into metal in the first place. Its crazy to sit back and
look at what Rob created with heavy metal's image.....and still to this day...in my opinion studs,spikes,chains,denim & leather,bullet belts,pins on jackets,finger cut black gloves..ect....
all of these aesthetics are needed in heavy metal ....not that a band will be "good" just because they were the image,but without it...they really don't have a chance to continue the
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true spirit of early Traditional British styled Heavy Metal ......I can't count the many times someone says : "Heres a heavy metal band for you to listen to"....and then I listen to it and
it doesn't sound heavy metalish.....and then I look at the band's photo and low and behold? Its a bunch of college frat rockers with baggy jungle pants the kind that the ass hangs down
and almost touches the floor...with a Hockey jersey on ( "nothing against hockey fans but it doesn't belong in metal" ) with a freaking "BASEBALL HAT" on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOFL!!!!!
And absolutely " NOTHING AGAINST PEOPLE WHO WEAR BASEBALL HATS"....its just that they don't belong in heavy metal's image. Bands that play a rock/and heavy metal seem to
be able to wear a mix between heavy metal and a rock image like Saxon...they play traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden but they also write "rock songs" and have always
said they are heavy metal/rock band.....Paul Quinn,one of the guitarists wears a baseball hat but usually wears a leather vest and ect.... Motorhead is a hard rock band and not a heavy metal band
so Lemmy's image has always been the same..... But Rob sure set the standards of heavy metal and its quite awsome on a massive scale how he himself not only wore the gay biker outfits but also
wore the total traditional heavy metal image. What a guy!!!!!!!!!
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Perhaps I missread, but to be honest, I don't find it to be of great importance. I do feel Rob influenced the whole look of metal by simply chosing the ruff boy gay look of the seventies to gear up priest, and Metal fans everywhere embrassed what was first a gay image and made it there own and to this day, if you see that much leather you know, you talking Metal. Fine by me! I love it!
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In that case, my previous points still stand! If Priest were not in the media on those occasions purely because of Rob's sexuality, then they cant be used as examples of them being more known about purely because of that. Like I say, Ive only known of one occasion where Rob's sexuality has been specifically mentioned in the mainstream media. lol
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His sexuality was not the issue of them being in the mainstream media, it's the fact that JP are an incredible band.
They appeared on Jimmy Kimmel live last year, which was a late night talk show here. They are still in so many Metal Mags, Rolling Stone still covers them, they were up for what, two Grammys last year? I'd say they don't fly completly under the radar!
Thank God they are not covered in the way all media portrays half the celebrities in this world, talk about a dirty landryfest on the behalf of the media, it's disgusting to be so intrusive into anyone's life.
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Seeing as I live in the UK, I didnt know about that :P
Maybe it is different in the American mainstream media, but certainly in the UK, neither Rob, nor Priest are really any more in the media now, then before he came out. If it's different in the US, then I take back what I said in my previous post lol
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I think you overestimate the amount of people who only know about Priest through Rob's sexuality. I think very few people outside of the metal community have any idea about Judas Priest, let alone Rob's sexuality. Most outside of the metal community only know what the mainstream media feeds them, and I dont think Rob or Priest are much more in the mainstream media now, than before Rob came out of the closet. Maybe you have heard a lot about it in the mainstream media, but I certainly havent. I think one time a few years ago, I saw Graham Norton mention Rob on his show, but aside from that one time, I've yet to see Rob's sexuality mentioned in any mainstream media, outside of specifically metal publications. Im sure there are a tiny minority of people who know about Priest now, but wouldnt have if Rob wasnt gay. But to say its "a lot of people", I think is overestimating it.
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Yes, my friend. We do love him. And so do tens of thousands of people all around the world. I don't think there is any question that Rob Halford is respected and loved. That is true. I think what it really comes down to is, there are a lot of people that do not care for Metal and do not know his work but they DO know about his sexuality. You cannot ignore that. It makes a difference in so much as the number of human beings that are aware of the Band. It does make a difference.
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Yes Freeze...I agree. There are a lot of people who don't know Judas Priest that well and connect the fact that "Isn't that the band with the gay guy singing"? They don't say that in a negative way ..
they are just trying to make that connection and some people may take that the wrong way,but the average person who asks this is not meaning any disrespect or what not.
If Rob were to log on this forum right now,he would be flattered that so many of us accept him for what he is...an "EQUAL" to each and every one of us. We love you Rob!!!!!!!
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Hmm.. I have tried to avoid commenting only because I detest yet ANOTHER moronic Thread but I suppose I will throw in my "two cents" on the subject...AGAIN.
YES. Rob's sexuality DOES make a difference! I have said that before and I hold to that position today. It is OH so chic to make flowery speeches about how "it doesn't matter" and "true fans don't care" and whatnot and, of course, to those of us that are TRUE fans, it doesn't. The fact remains, there is a HUGE number of people in this world that only know Priest because "they have that gay guy" singing for them. We have ALL heard that comment in some form.
The fact that Rob Halford is a gay man in a Heavy Metal band IS a big deal. It is noteworthy and it has brought them attention where they may never had received any. There is a large portion of people that know about the band because Rob is openly gay and THAT makes it part of the equation, regardless of whether or not one believes it "matters". Matters how??? Matters from a talent standpoint? No. From an ability standpoint? No. By saying "it does not matter", one is suggesting (I assume) that he still can sing. This is quite true. But the topic here is "Would Priest be more popular" if Rob were NOT gay. I believe the answer is, no. They would not be "more" popular. There would likely be no significant difference as far as popularity is concerned. Today's "popular" music is chock full of gay people.
I think the more appropriate comment would be that they would not be as well known be as many people. That seems like a safe bet. They will always have a fanbase. They will always have the achievements they have. Gay or straight, I doubt that would be affected. Popularity? Nah, I doubt that as well. Notoriety? THAT is a possibility. By this fact alone, it DOES make a difference.
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AMEN! Brother Hellrider! Can I get a witness!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:36:30 PM)| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | "That was another turning point for the band. Rob was very instrumental in laying down laws and codes for what heavy metal bands should wear at that point in time. The whole leather image stemmed from that era and now it's just accepted that's what goes with heavy metal. Up to that point, it was spandex and satin trousers, or even jeans and T-shirts."- Glenn Tipton, Heavy Duty official biography, 1984
in my opinion HEAVY MEEETTT TTTTAAAALLLLL would not exsist without the METAL GOD
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Yes spapad that is correct. Look at this picture of "Venom" from 1981 .....Venom created "black metal" and the members "Cronos,Abbadon and Mantis" are not gay,....
Cronos even said that he got his leather,studs and spikes image from "Rob Halford" and Judas Priest because they set the standard of what metal's image looked like.
It wasn't a trend and the other bands were not ripping Halford off,but that image fit for not only heavy metal...but for black metal and the true old school death metal bands as well.
The most abrasive bands in the extreme metal underground like old "Deicide", old "Morbid Angel" and "Mayhem" with Euronymous(r.i.p.)knew Rob was gay and didn't even
think long enough about it to give a rats! I've read articles where they mention Rob Halford as an influence that got them into metal in the first place. Its crazy to sit back and
look at what Rob created with heavy metal's image.....and still to this day...in my opinion studs,spikes,chains,denim & leather,bullet belts,pins on jackets,finger cut black gloves..ect....
all of these aesthetics are needed in heavy metal ....not that a band will be "good" just because they were the image,but without it...they really don't have a chance to continue the
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true spirit of early Traditional British styled Heavy Metal ......I can't count the many times someone says : "Heres a heavy metal band for you to listen to"....and then I listen to it and
it doesn't sound heavy metalish.....and then I look at the band's photo and low and behold? Its a bunch of college frat rockers with baggy jungle pants the kind that the ass hangs down
and almost touches the floor...with a Hockey jersey on ( "nothing against hockey fans but it doesn't belong in metal" ) with a freaking "BASEBALL HAT" on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOFL!!!!!
And absolutely " NOTHING AGAINST PEOPLE WHO WEAR BASEBALL HATS"....its just that they don't belong in heavy metal's image. Bands that play a rock/and heavy metal seem to
be able to wear a mix between heavy metal and a rock image like Saxon...they play traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden but they also write "rock songs" and have always
said they are heavy metal/rock band.....Paul Quinn,one of the guitarists wears a baseball hat but usually wears a leather vest and ect.... Motorhead is a hard rock band and not a heavy metal band
so Lemmy's image has always been the same..... But Rob sure set the standards of heavy metal and its quite awsome on a massive scale how he himself not only wore the gay biker outfits but also
wore the total traditional heavy metal image. What a guy!!!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:08:40 PM)
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Perhaps I missread, but to be honest, I don't find it to be of great importance. I do feel Rob influenced the whole look of metal by simply chosing the ruff boy gay look of the seventies to gear up priest, and Metal fans everywhere embrassed what was first a gay image and made it there own and to this day, if you see that much leather you know, you talking Metal. Fine by me! I love it!
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In that case, my previous points still stand! If Priest were not in the media on those occasions purely because of Rob's sexuality, then they cant be used as examples of them being more known about purely because of that. Like I say, Ive only known of one occasion where Rob's sexuality has been specifically mentioned in the mainstream media. lol
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His sexuality was not the issue of them being in the mainstream media, it's the fact that JP are an incredible band.
They appeared on Jimmy Kimmel live last year, which was a late night talk show here. They are still in so many Metal Mags, Rolling Stone still covers them, they were up for what, two Grammys last year? I'd say they don't fly completly under the radar!
Thank God they are not covered in the way all media portrays half the celebrities in this world, talk about a dirty landryfest on the behalf of the media, it's disgusting to be so intrusive into anyone's life.
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Seeing as I live in the UK, I didnt know about that :P
Maybe it is different in the American mainstream media, but certainly in the UK, neither Rob, nor Priest are really any more in the media now, then before he came out. If it's different in the US, then I take back what I said in my previous post lol
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CNN ran it as a headline story when Rob and Priest reunited. I'd say that is about as mainstream as you can get.
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I think you overestimate the amount of people who only know about Priest through Rob's sexuality. I think very few people outside of the metal community have any idea about Judas Priest, let alone Rob's sexuality. Most outside of the metal community only know what the mainstream media feeds them, and I dont think Rob or Priest are much more in the mainstream media now, than before Rob came out of the closet. Maybe you have heard a lot about it in the mainstream media, but I certainly havent. I think one time a few years ago, I saw Graham Norton mention Rob on his show, but aside from that one time, I've yet to see Rob's sexuality mentioned in any mainstream media, outside of specifically metal publications. Im sure there are a tiny minority of people who know about Priest now, but wouldnt have if Rob wasnt gay. But to say its "a lot of people", I think is overestimating it.
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Yes, my friend. We do love him. And so do tens of thousands of people all around the world. I don't think there is any question that Rob Halford is respected and loved. That is true. I think what it really comes down to is, there are a lot of people that do not care for Metal and do not know his work but they DO know about his sexuality. You cannot ignore that. It makes a difference in so much as the number of human beings that are aware of the Band. It does make a difference.
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Yes Freeze...I agree. There are a lot of people who don't know Judas Priest that well and connect the fact that "Isn't that the band with the gay guy singing"? They don't say that in a negative way ..
they are just trying to make that connection and some people may take that the wrong way,but the average person who asks this is not meaning any disrespect or what not.
If Rob were to log on this forum right now,he would be flattered that so many of us accept him for what he is...an "EQUAL" to each and every one of us. We love you Rob!!!!!!!
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Hmm.. I have tried to avoid commenting only because I detest yet ANOTHER moronic Thread but I suppose I will throw in my "two cents" on the subject...AGAIN.
YES. Rob's sexuality DOES make a difference! I have said that before and I hold to that position today. It is OH so chic to make flowery speeches about how "it doesn't matter" and "true fans don't care" and whatnot and, of course, to those of us that are TRUE fans, it doesn't. The fact remains, there is a HUGE number of people in this world that only know Priest because "they have that gay guy" singing for them. We have ALL heard that comment in some form.
The fact that Rob Halford is a gay man in a Heavy Metal band IS a big deal. It is noteworthy and it has brought them attention where they may never had received any. There is a large portion of people that know about the band because Rob is openly gay and THAT makes it part of the equation, regardless of whether or not one believes it "matters". Matters how??? Matters from a talent standpoint? No. From an ability standpoint? No. By saying "it does not matter", one is suggesting (I assume) that he still can sing. This is quite true. But the topic here is "Would Priest be more popular" if Rob were NOT gay. I believe the answer is, no. They would not be "more" popular. There would likely be no significant difference as far as popularity is concerned. Today's "popular" music is chock full of gay people.
I think the more appropriate comment would be that they would not be as well known be as many people. That seems like a safe bet. They will always have a fanbase. They will always have the achievements they have. Gay or straight, I doubt that would be affected. Popularity? Nah, I doubt that as well. Notoriety? THAT is a possibility. By this fact alone, it DOES make a difference.
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"That was another turning point for the band. Rob was very instrumental in laying down laws and codes for what heavy metal bands should wear at that point in time. The whole leather image stemmed from that era and now it's just accepted that's what goes with heavy metal. Up to that point, it was spandex and satin trousers, or even jeans and T-shirts."- Glenn Tipton, Heavy Duty official biography, 1984
in my opinion HEAVY MEEETTT TTTTAAAALLLLL would not exsist without the METAL GOD
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:23:20 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | |
Yes spapad that is correct. Look at this picture of "Venom" from 1981 .....Venom created "black metal" and the members "Cronos,Abbadon and Mantis" are not gay,....
Cronos even said that he got his leather,studs and spikes image from "Rob Halford" and Judas Priest because they set the standard of what metal's image looked like.
It wasn't a trend and the other bands were not ripping Halford off,but that image fit for not only heavy metal...but for black metal and the true old school death metal bands as well.
The most abrasive bands in the extreme metal underground like old "Deicide", old "Morbid Angel" and "Mayhem" with Euronymous(r.i.p.)knew Rob was gay and didn't even
think long enough about it to give a rats! I've read articles where they mention Rob Halford as an influence that got them into metal in the first place. Its crazy to sit back and
look at what Rob created with heavy metal's image.....and still to this day...in my opinion studs,spikes,chains,denim & leather,bullet belts,pins on jackets,finger cut black gloves..ect....
all of these aesthetics are needed in heavy metal ....not that a band will be "good" just because they were the image,but without it...they really don't have a chance to continue the
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true spirit of early Traditional British styled Heavy Metal ......I can't count the many times someone says : "Heres a heavy metal band for you to listen to"....and then I listen to it and
it doesn't sound heavy metalish.....and then I look at the band's photo and low and behold? Its a bunch of college frat rockers with baggy jungle pants the kind that the ass hangs down
and almost touches the floor...with a Hockey jersey on ( "nothing against hockey fans but it doesn't belong in metal" ) with a freaking "BASEBALL HAT" on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOFL!!!!!
And absolutely " NOTHING AGAINST PEOPLE WHO WEAR BASEBALL HATS"....its just that they don't belong in heavy metal's image. Bands that play a rock/and heavy metal seem to
be able to wear a mix between heavy metal and a rock image like Saxon...they play traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden but they also write "rock songs" and have always
said they are heavy metal/rock band.....Paul Quinn,one of the guitarists wears a baseball hat but usually wears a leather vest and ect.... Motorhead is a hard rock band and not a heavy metal band
so Lemmy's image has always been the same..... But Rob sure set the standards of heavy metal and its quite awsome on a massive scale how he himself not only wore the gay biker outfits but also
wore the total traditional heavy metal image. What a guy!!!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:08:40 PM)
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Perhaps I missread, but to be honest, I don't find it to be of great importance. I do feel Rob influenced the whole look of metal by simply chosing the ruff boy gay look of the seventies to gear up priest, and Metal fans everywhere embrassed what was first a gay image and made it there own and to this day, if you see that much leather you know, you talking Metal. Fine by me! I love it!
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In that case, my previous points still stand! If Priest were not in the media on those occasions purely because of Rob's sexuality, then they cant be used as examples of them being more known about purely because of that. Like I say, Ive only known of one occasion where Rob's sexuality has been specifically mentioned in the mainstream media. lol
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His sexuality was not the issue of them being in the mainstream media, it's the fact that JP are an incredible band.
They appeared on Jimmy Kimmel live last year, which was a late night talk show here. They are still in so many Metal Mags, Rolling Stone still covers them, they were up for what, two Grammys last year? I'd say they don't fly completly under the radar!
Thank God they are not covered in the way all media portrays half the celebrities in this world, talk about a dirty landryfest on the behalf of the media, it's disgusting to be so intrusive into anyone's life.
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Seeing as I live in the UK, I didnt know about that :P
Maybe it is different in the American mainstream media, but certainly in the UK, neither Rob, nor Priest are really any more in the media now, then before he came out. If it's different in the US, then I take back what I said in my previous post lol
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CNN ran it as a headline story when Rob and Priest reunited. I'd say that is about as mainstream as you can get.
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I think you overestimate the amount of people who only know about Priest through Rob's sexuality. I think very few people outside of the metal community have any idea about Judas Priest, let alone Rob's sexuality. Most outside of the metal community only know what the mainstream media feeds them, and I dont think Rob or Priest are much more in the mainstream media now, than before Rob came out of the closet. Maybe you have heard a lot about it in the mainstream media, but I certainly havent. I think one time a few years ago, I saw Graham Norton mention Rob on his show, but aside from that one time, I've yet to see Rob's sexuality mentioned in any mainstream media, outside of specifically metal publications. Im sure there are a tiny minority of people who know about Priest now, but wouldnt have if Rob wasnt gay. But to say its "a lot of people", I think is overestimating it.
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Yes, my friend. We do love him. And so do tens of thousands of people all around the world. I don't think there is any question that Rob Halford is respected and loved. That is true. I think what it really comes down to is, there are a lot of people that do not care for Metal and do not know his work but they DO know about his sexuality. You cannot ignore that. It makes a difference in so much as the number of human beings that are aware of the Band. It does make a difference.
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Yes Freeze...I agree. There are a lot of people who don't know Judas Priest that well and connect the fact that "Isn't that the band with the gay guy singing"? They don't say that in a negative way ..
they are just trying to make that connection and some people may take that the wrong way,but the average person who asks this is not meaning any disrespect or what not.
If Rob were to log on this forum right now,he would be flattered that so many of us accept him for what he is...an "EQUAL" to each and every one of us. We love you Rob!!!!!!!
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Hmm.. I have tried to avoid commenting only because I detest yet ANOTHER moronic Thread but I suppose I will throw in my "two cents" on the subject...AGAIN.
YES. Rob's sexuality DOES make a difference! I have said that before and I hold to that position today. It is OH so chic to make flowery speeches about how "it doesn't matter" and "true fans don't care" and whatnot and, of course, to those of us that are TRUE fans, it doesn't. The fact remains, there is a HUGE number of people in this world that only know Priest because "they have that gay guy" singing for them. We have ALL heard that comment in some form.
The fact that Rob Halford is a gay man in a Heavy Metal band IS a big deal. It is noteworthy and it has brought them attention where they may never had received any. There is a large portion of people that know about the band because Rob is openly gay and THAT makes it part of the equation, regardless of whether or not one believes it "matters". Matters how??? Matters from a talent standpoint? No. From an ability standpoint? No. By saying "it does not matter", one is suggesting (I assume) that he still can sing. This is quite true. But the topic here is "Would Priest be more popular" if Rob were NOT gay. I believe the answer is, no. They would not be "more" popular. There would likely be no significant difference as far as popularity is concerned. Today's "popular" music is chock full of gay people.
I think the more appropriate comment would be that they would not be as well known be as many people. That seems like a safe bet. They will always have a fanbase. They will always have the achievements they have. Gay or straight, I doubt that would be affected. Popularity? Nah, I doubt that as well. Notoriety? THAT is a possibility. By this fact alone, it DOES make a difference.
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I can put on 100 albums on random play and be able to name the song,the album its from,the year the album was released and how many songs on that album as well! lol!
I have a great memory....not bad from someone thats been smoking pot for 25 years!!! lofl Head banger!!!!! lol!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:25:06 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | yeah, I like them, but when I have music on random, I cant tell you what disc it came from. except for most of somewhere in time.
that one I know better cause it is the only maiden I had for a long time.
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I've never been an IronMaiden fan. I like a couple of songs, but because there is redundancy to their style of writing, I find them boring.
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I dont know the technical terms either (are most priest fans more musicaly knowledgable than fans of other bands?)
I do notice a marked change in style with british steel, and again with painkiller. then of course rob left....
its actualy not the converting the casual I think that is the problem, its getting the casual fan to begin with. how many maiden "fans" are there that cant name half the CD's they have put out, and own edward the great and one other. priest doesnt have those "fans"
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| IDK HB ... though they push the musical boundaries the music can be associated with them (wish I could use the appropriate technical terms), but it is definitely distinguishable; the guitar style, tone, etc is KK & Glenn, vocals definitely Rob / Ripper. 'Has something to do with production but if you know the sound you recognize the band. Sorry, don't know how better to describe it. I think it's been up to the diehards to Baptize the casual! If they don't convert, well that is on us - lol |
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I agree metalmaz.....I've seen many so-called "die-hard-fans" of Priest when really they are a casual fan....I ask them about albums or songs and they can't even name all thier albums!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by metalmaz from Thursday, August 06, 2009 1:56:52 PM)| | | metalmaz wrote: | | I think most people who attend concerts whether it be Priest or Maiden or Metallica or whoever tend to be casual rather than die hard fans. A lot of them won't have every single release by them and I reckon most of them have never been near the JP forum either.
I bet if you did a straw poll many people in a Priest concert wouldn't be able to name all their releases as well. And does it matter? If you put a ban on them because "they are not real fans" Priest would be playing to unfilled veneus.
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I dont know the technical terms either (are most priest fans more musicaly knowledgable than fans of other bands?)
I do notice a marked change in style with british steel, and again with painkiller. then of course rob left....
its actualy not the converting the casual I think that is the problem, its getting the casual fan to begin with. how many maiden "fans" are there that cant name half the CD's they have put out, and own edward the great and one other. priest doesnt have those "fans"
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| IDK HB ... though they push the musical boundaries the music can be associated with them (wish I could use the appropriate technical terms), but it is definitely distinguishable; the guitar style, tone, etc is KK & Glenn, vocals definitely Rob / Ripper. 'Has something to do with production but if you know the sound you recognize the band. Sorry, don't know how better to describe it. I think it's been up to the diehards to Baptize the casual! If they don't convert, well that is on us - lol |
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