Very well said, Ron. Not too sure I can improve on that.
You see, I come from a time when we were taught team sport. There was no such thing as a trophy just for showing up and, if you were not good enough, you did not make the team. It did not matter what your parent thought or what some kiddie psychologigst said. If you were no good, you were no good and needed to find something else to do. Coaches taught us how to play together , to support one another. We were there to win and we knew that it would take all parts, working in unison, to achieve our objective not one guy doing it all while we admired him.

Of course there was the standout. The great player that would carry us through the tough times and gain the big yards or get the key hit when we needed it but other teams knew that as well and played to stop that particular player. At one time or another, I was actually that guy!!  Again, as a team, we could adjust to their folly and win the day. I will say this, in the entire time that I played sport, from school days right through adulthood, I never performed some stupid "victory dance" or acted out some moronic skit on the field of play. Never. Nor did any of my teammates. It was just not done. There is a certain dignity in being  a winner and moreso in being very good at what you do. I have never needed to remind anyone on the field of my ability by acting foolish. My play spoke quite loudly.

		ronhartsell wrote:
		Pardon the interruption...but I must let you know DF that I've got your back on this one...I don't want to upset Sue, considering I love her passion for the game (I wish more women would be more like Her!!!)...but I grew up despising the Cowboys (only 'cause they were so good)...but with players like T.O., if you're a true fan of the game, you can't help but loathe a player like him (and he by NO means is the only player I feel this strongly about)...if a person is a serious Cowboys fan, you have to really be concerned with the team acquiring players such as WR Williams (from Detroit) and Pac Man Jones (suspended last year, Titans)...what is Jerry Jones thinking??  These are players Al Davis (Raiders) usually pick up!!  Those are really bad T E A M players that are selfish and put themselves ahead of the the rest of the team...why do you think their former teams were 'happy' to let them go??  And what do they pass on to the younger players??      Deep Freeze wrote:   Well my dear, I do not wish to endanger our embryotic relationship but I must confess that I am a Dallas Cowboys Hater and I find Terrell Owens to be incredibly boorish and not nearly as talented as he believes himself to be. I do hope you will forgive me!!!!      SueVicious wrote:   For REAL!!  Watching that game yesterday w/o him playing made me want to hollar out "Oh, Tony ROMEO!  Tony ROMEO!  Where art thou Tony ROMEO?!"  ROFL And it didn't help any w/ T.O yelling at team members & shit.  I'm thinking to myself, "Well, if you'd shut your trap for once, stop whining like a little BITCH,  & catch some damned PASSES today, we'd MAYBE be able to score more & possibly win the game!!!!"    I love T.O, but he was being a royal pain in the ass yesterday.  *sighs*      Deep Freeze wrote:   I should hope that he does, my dear! Clearly it would be an upgrade! Your 'Boys looked absolutely horrendous yesterday.      SueVicious wrote:   Maybe...just as long as he keeps his head out of Jessica Simpson's A$$!  He needs to break up w/ her & go out w/ ME, dammit!       lana wrote:   makes ya wonder if they would've won if Tony Romeo would 've been able to play      SueVicious wrote:   Man, this Cowboys game today is like watching a REALLY bad train wreck.  *sighs*  And now there's a THIRD interception by the Rams today.  I can't watch this anymore.  *turns off TV before I'm about to BREAK the dadgum thing*  *sighs* It doesn't help that most of the Cowboys key players are out from injuries & stuff including my Tony Romo.  It's HOPELESS.  They'd be damn LUCKY if they make it to the play-offs this season.  I don't see it happening unless the Cowboys go undefeated the rest of the season.

Packers 4-3 Jets 3-3
go Rays?

THANK YOU LANA

Grrrrr....

What life is left What pain grows
The light turns red And thusly goes
The bitter taste of loneliness shows
And turns to red And thusly goes

Turn not to Red and face its stare
Look away from horror's glare
Red is pain and anguish  shows
My life turns red and thusly goes

		lana wrote:
		Why I just bet he is !! GO RED ---GO PHILLIES --GO RED ----GO PHILLIES      Deep Freeze wrote: Quite a trip for him from "merry ole England"....Perhaps he is a Phillies fan as well?      lana wrote: MOI????---a mean streak --no way !! Necro is still at Dodgers' Stadium waiting for the next season --you'd better go help him      Deep Freeze wrote: For all your kindness, you clearly have a mean streak.....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, my dear. So, where is Necro??      lana wrote: How did you know what I'd be wearing ??--Are you a mind reader ??      Deep Freeze wrote: BLAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A double post!!! This mechanical menace will be the death of me!!!!!    (Quoting Message by lana from Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:05:49 AM)   lana wrote:   Oh Deep Freeze --now you make me want to cry   --I feel no one should cry alone & no one should be alone --I'll join you on that island & I'll stop doing my impersonation of Michael Flatly's River Dance --My feet don't have to be happy ya know --& if ya want I'll stop singing WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS & PHILADELPHIA FREEDOM  if you think that would help--let me just pack my knapsack      Deep Freeze wrote:   Sadly, I am all cried out. There is no need to send me tissues. As for band aids, I have not yet caused myself physical injury, although it has occurred to me. HA!!!!!!! It is a very difficult day to be a Dodger fan. Their pitching totally and utterly failed them. The very essence of Dodger legend was absent. For all the Dodgers have ever had, pitching was their greatest asset. The "claim to fame", as it were. Where did it go? How could a league-leading era just disappear? Saddness. Despair. Destitution. I am an island.      lana wrote:   Don't cry Deep Freeze--it'll be ok Shall I  Fed-Ex  you my crazy glue--Scooby Doo bandaids & Puff's Plus ??      Deep Freeze wrote:   Well my dear, clearly the better team won. They left no doubt. The Dodgers were drubbed fairly and without mercy. I sit here, a broken man. Humbled. Bathed in the stench of defeat and humiliated before all. It is to weep.      lana wrote:   Well Happy Thursday to you Deep Freeze --pray tell what has your panties in a wad     & who peed in your Cheerios ??  --Come on  --you can tell Momma Lana what's bothering you --or is it Momma Lana the one who's doing the bothering ??       Deep Freeze wrote:   AAAARRRRRRGGGHHHH!!!!! Edited at: Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:12:25 AM

Why I just bet he is !!

GO RED ---GO PHILLIES --GO RED ----GO PHILLIES

		Deep Freeze wrote:
		Quite a trip for him from "merry ole England"....Perhaps he is a Phillies fan as well?      lana wrote: MOI????---a mean streak --no way !! Necro is still at Dodgers' Stadium waiting for the next season --you'd better go help him      Deep Freeze wrote: For all your kindness, you clearly have a mean streak.....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, my dear. So, where is Necro??      lana wrote: How did you know what I'd be wearing ??--Are you a mind reader ??      Deep Freeze wrote: BLAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A double post!!! This mechanical menace will be the death of me!!!!!    (Quoting Message by lana from Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:05:49 AM)   lana wrote:   Oh Deep Freeze --now you make me want to cry   --I feel no one should cry alone & no one should be alone --I'll join you on that island & I'll stop doing my impersonation of Michael Flatly's River Dance --My feet don't have to be happy ya know --& if ya want I'll stop singing WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS & PHILADELPHIA FREEDOM  if you think that would help--let me just pack my knapsack      Deep Freeze wrote:   Sadly, I am all cried out. There is no need to send me tissues. As for band aids, I have not yet caused myself physical injury, although it has occurred to me. HA!!!!!!! It is a very difficult day to be a Dodger fan. Their pitching totally and utterly failed them. The very essence of Dodger legend was absent. For all the Dodgers have ever had, pitching was their greatest asset. The "claim to fame", as it were. Where did it go? How could a league-leading era just disappear? Saddness. Despair. Destitution. I am an island.      lana wrote:   Don't cry Deep Freeze--it'll be ok Shall I  Fed-Ex  you my crazy glue--Scooby Doo bandaids & Puff's Plus ??      Deep Freeze wrote:   Well my dear, clearly the better team won. They left no doubt. The Dodgers were drubbed fairly and without mercy. I sit here, a broken man. Humbled. Bathed in the stench of defeat and humiliated before all. It is to weep.      lana wrote:   Well Happy Thursday to you Deep Freeze --pray tell what has your panties in a wad     & who peed in your Cheerios ??  --Come on  --you can tell Momma Lana what's bothering you --or is it Momma Lana the one who's doing the bothering ??       Deep Freeze wrote:   AAAARRRRRRGGGHHHH!!!!! Edited at: Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:12:25 AM

MOI????---a mean streak --no way !!
Necro is still at Dodgers' Stadium waiting for the next season --you'd better go help him

		Deep Freeze wrote:
		For all your kindness, you clearly have a mean streak.....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, my dear. So, where is Necro??      lana wrote: How did you know what I'd be wearing ??--Are you a mind reader ??      Deep Freeze wrote: BLAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A double post!!! This mechanical menace will be the death of me!!!!!    (Quoting Message by lana from Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:05:49 AM)   lana wrote:   Oh Deep Freeze --now you make me want to cry   --I feel no one should cry alone & no one should be alone --I'll join you on that island & I'll stop doing my impersonation of Michael Flatly's River Dance --My feet don't have to be happy ya know --& if ya want I'll stop singing WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS & PHILADELPHIA FREEDOM  if you think that would help--let me just pack my knapsack      Deep Freeze wrote:   Sadly, I am all cried out. There is no need to send me tissues. As for band aids, I have not yet caused myself physical injury, although it has occurred to me. HA!!!!!!! It is a very difficult day to be a Dodger fan. Their pitching totally and utterly failed them. The very essence of Dodger legend was absent. For all the Dodgers have ever had, pitching was their greatest asset. The "claim to fame", as it were. Where did it go? How could a league-leading era just disappear? Saddness. Despair. Destitution. I am an island.      lana wrote:   Don't cry Deep Freeze--it'll be ok Shall I  Fed-Ex  you my crazy glue--Scooby Doo bandaids & Puff's Plus ??      Deep Freeze wrote:   Well my dear, clearly the better team won. They left no doubt. The Dodgers were drubbed fairly and without mercy. I sit here, a broken man. Humbled. Bathed in the stench of defeat and humiliated before all. It is to weep.      lana wrote:   Well Happy Thursday to you Deep Freeze --pray tell what has your panties in a wad     & who peed in your Cheerios ??  --Come on  --you can tell Momma Lana what's bothering you --or is it Momma Lana the one who's doing the bothering ??       Deep Freeze wrote:   AAAARRRRRRGGGHHHH!!!!! Edited at: Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:12:25 AM

BLAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A double post!!! This mechanical menace will be the death of me!!!!!

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by lana from Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:05:49 AM)

		lana wrote:
		Oh Deep Freeze --now you make me want to cry   --I feel no one should cry alone & no one should be alone --I'll join you on that island & I'll stop doing my impersonation of Michael Flatly's River Dance --My feet don't have to be happy ya know --& if ya want I'll stop singing WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS & PHILADELPHIA FREEDOM  if you think that would help--let me just pack my knapsack      Deep Freeze wrote:   Sadly, I am all cried out. There is no need to send me tissues. As for band aids, I have not yet caused myself physical injury, although it has occurred to me. HA!!!!!!! It is a very difficult day to be a Dodger fan. Their pitching totally and utterly failed them. The very essence of Dodger legend was absent. For all the Dodgers have ever had, pitching was their greatest asset. The "claim to fame", as it were. Where did it go? How could a league-leading era just disappear? Saddness. Despair. Destitution. I am an island.      lana wrote:   Don't cry Deep Freeze--it'll be ok Shall I  Fed-Ex  you my crazy glue--Scooby Doo bandaids & Puff's Plus ??      Deep Freeze wrote:   Well my dear, clearly the better team won. They left no doubt. The Dodgers were drubbed fairly and without mercy. I sit here, a broken man. Humbled. Bathed in the stench of defeat and humiliated before all. It is to weep.      lana wrote:   Well Happy Thursday to you Deep Freeze --pray tell what has your panties in a wad     & who peed in your Cheerios ??  --Come on  --you can tell Momma Lana what's bothering you --or is it Momma Lana the one who's doing the bothering ??       Deep Freeze wrote:   AAAARRRRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!

Sadly, I am all cried out. There is no need to send me tissues. As for band aids, I have not yet caused myself physical injury, although it has occurred to me. HA!!!!!!! It is a very difficult day to be a Dodger fan.

Their pitching totally and utterly failed them. The very essence of Dodger legend was absent. For all the Dodgers have ever had, pitching was their greatest asset. The "claim to fame", as it were. Where did it go? How could a league-leading era just disappear?

Saddness. Despair. Destitution. I am an island.

		lana wrote:
		Don't cry Deep Freeze--it'll be ok Shall I  Fed-Ex  you my crazy glue--Scooby Doo bandaids & Puff's Plus ??      Deep Freeze wrote: Well my dear, clearly the better team won. They left no doubt. The Dodgers were drubbed fairly and without mercy. I sit here, a broken man. Humbled. Bathed in the stench of defeat and humiliated before all. It is to weep.      lana wrote: Well Happy Thursday to you Deep Freeze --pray tell what has your panties in a wad     & who peed in your Cheerios ??  --Come on  --you can tell Momma Lana what's bothering you --or is it Momma Lana the one who's doing the bothering ??       Deep Freeze wrote: AAAARRRRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!

Well my dear, clearly the better team won. They left no doubt. The Dodgers were drubbed fairly and without mercy. I sit here, a broken man. Humbled. Bathed in the stench of defeat and humiliated before all. It is to weep.

		lana wrote:
		Well Happy Thursday to you Deep Freeze --pray tell what has your panties in a wad     & who peed in your Cheerios ??  --Come on  --you can tell Momma Lana what's bothering you --or is it Momma Lana the one who's doing the bothering ??       Deep Freeze wrote: AAAARRRRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!

WELL DP, LOOKS LIKE ITS OVER. LIKE THEY USED TO SAY IN BROOKLYN, WAIT 'TILL NEXT YEAR. IN BROOKLYN NEXT YEAR WAS EVERY YEAR EXECPT 1955.  GIL HODGES DROVE IN 2 RUNS TO BEAT THE YANKEES 2-0. AT LEAST IN LOS ANGELES THEY WON 4 WORLD SERIES ALREADY.

I knew I could get you on my side !!

GO RED -GO PHILLIES --GO RED --GO PHILLIES !!!!!

		Deep Freeze wrote:
		*YIKES* !!! Umm, er....GO Phillies???      lana wrote: Deep Freeze--pray tell --are ya givin' me the bird ?? Well just so you know I not only watch baseball I wacth football --wrestling --hockey --boxing & UFC fighting--so don't mess with me if ya want to keep that pretty face--I was raised with 3 older brothers & I know how to defend myself !!      Deep Freeze wrote: Umm....wrong finger!  HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!      lana wrote: Deep Freeze--I'm only 5'4" on a GOOD day--so I have to reach for whatever I want especially since I never did receive the Phillies #1 hand sign --you know the big hand you wear with the index finger pointing straight up ??      Deep Freeze wrote: HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Elton John?????? My dear, you're really reaching now, aren't you?? HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!      lana wrote: GO RED !!!! DO I HEAR  PHILADELPHIA FREEDOM BY ELTON PLAYING JUST NOW ??      Deep Freeze wrote: AAAARRRRRGGGHH!!! FIE!!! BLAST YOU!!! By Lucifer's beard!!!  HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!  I just wanted to say that ever since I saw guido use it...  DODGERS, I say! GO BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!      lana wrote: Deep Freeze --I love ya dearly & I was gonna play nice  but you forced me to throw down the gaunlet PHILLIES--PHILLIES--PHILLIES !!!      Deep Freeze wrote: DODGERS!!!!!!!!