I have been pretty quiet here regarding this subject. I love ALL of the guys in this band. I do not know the specifics of what went on and I would hate to speculate on it. I do know that KK Downing is a wonderful person and I wish him nothing but the best. I already miss him terribly. As for Richie Faulkner I will give him a chance, he is giving me the chance to still see this awesome band. No, it will definately not be the same but I will still be happy to hear the other guys and see the other guys.
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Sunday, May 22, 2011 10:09:55 PM
I think we all agree that they should kick their management right in the ass and out the door!! Better yet, the fans could all line up and management could run through the gauntlet of pissed off fans! I still think KK was onboard for the tour at first and then something happened after that, but who knows. I'm not going to judge Faulkner until I see him either. I wish him well, it's got to be very hard trying to step in now with all that is going on.
I want to see Faulkner before I judge, but if kk didnt want it then so be it. that happened with holland.... but no one sold tour tix that tour before they told us the band changed.
I hope they kick some ass here. then they can kick some managment ass too.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I agree completely. The way this was all handled was utter bullshit. Just another reason they should kick their management to the curb.... I still believe that if this had been handled differently, KK would be going on the Epitaph tour, but we'll never really know.
I'm glad to hear that you will go see them live - I hope you have been practicing that bottle flipping and making a Rita falls, because I plan on taping every moment of it!!
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
"Real" heavy Metal (period)! Doesn't matter if it's British. Though they are British. They (the core of JudasPriest) are HeavyMetal
I choose to withhold any further discussion of how I see Faulkner fitting into the picture until after I see them live. It's taken an entire month to let it sink in that the majority of my irritation lies with what is being said on behalf of the band and how this whole business was handled. Yeah. I've said in the past that I support managements decisions. But I withdraw that statement. This whole mess could have gone down with a LOT less drama, if anyone with any sense were on watch. Clearly the handlers were asleep, afraid, or clueless.
[Head banger] Sunday, May 22, 2011 9:08:56 PM
I want to see Faulkner before I judge, but if kk didnt want it then so be it. that happened with holland.... but no one sold tour tix that tour before they told us the band changed.
I hope they kick some ass here. then they can kick some managment ass too. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Sunday, May 22, 2011 1:52:04 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I agree completely. The way this was all handled was utter bullshit. Just another reason they should kick their management to the curb.... I still believe that if this had been handled differently, KK would be going on the Epitaph tour, but we'll never really know.
I'm glad to hear that you will go see them live - I hope you have been practicing that bottle flipping and making a Rita falls, because I plan on taping every moment of it!!
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
"Real" heavy Metal (period)! Doesn't matter if it's British. Though they are British. They (the core of JudasPriest) are HeavyMetal
I choose to withhold any further discussion of how I see Faulkner fitting into the picture until after I see them live. It's taken an entire month to let it sink in that the majority of my irritation lies with what is being said on behalf of the band and how this whole business was handled. Yeah. I've said in the past that I support managements decisions. But I withdraw that statement. This whole mess could have gone down with a LOT less drama, if anyone with any sense were on watch. Clearly the handlers were asleep, afraid, or clueless.
[spapad] Sunday, May 22, 2011 4:43:18 PM
Management, == asleep, afraid, or clueless. Perhaps all of them together? I think so.
"Real" heavy Metal (period)! Doesn't matter if it's British. Though they are British. They (the core of JudasPriest) are HeavyMetal
I choose to withhold any further discussion of how I see Faulkner fitting into the picture until after I see them live. It's taken an entire month to let it sink in that the majority of my irritation lies with what is being said on behalf of the band and how this whole business was handled. Yeah. I've said in the past that I support managements decisions. But I withdraw that statement. This whole mess could have gone down with a LOT less drama, if anyone with any sense were on watch. Clearly the handlers were asleep, afraid, or clueless.
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Sunday, May 22, 2011 1:52:04 PM
I agree completely. The way this was all handled was utter bullshit. Just another reason they should kick their management to the curb.... I still believe that if this had been handled differently, KK would be going on the Epitaph tour, but we'll never really know.
I'm glad to hear that you will go see them live - I hope you have been practicing that bottle flipping and making a Rita falls, because I plan on taping every moment of it!!
"Real" heavy Metal (period)! Doesn't matter if it's British. Though they are British. They (the core of JudasPriest) are HeavyMetal
I choose to withhold any further discussion of how I see Faulkner fitting into the picture until after I see them live. It's taken an entire month to let it sink in that the majority of my irritation lies with what is being said on behalf of the band and how this whole business was handled. Yeah. I've said in the past that I support managements decisions. But I withdraw that statement. This whole mess could have gone down with a LOT less drama, if anyone with any sense were on watch. Clearly the handlers were asleep, afraid, or clueless.
[\~AuntieB~/] Sunday, May 22, 2011 1:16:15 PM
"Real" heavy Metal (period)! Doesn't matter if it's British. Though they are British. They (the core of JudasPriest) are HeavyMetal
I choose to withhold any further discussion of how I see Faulkner fitting into the picture until after I see them live. It's taken an entire month to let it sink in that the majority of my irritation lies with what is being said on behalf of the band and how this whole business was handled. Yeah. I've said in the past that I support managements decisions. But I withdraw that statement. This whole mess could have gone down with a LOT less drama, if anyone with any sense were on watch. Clearly the handlers were asleep, afraid, or clueless.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, May 22, 2011 5:44:47 AM
I was wrong including you,I apologize but those others that keep complaining about how its not Judas Priest without K.K. ect...well if they are so passionate about K.K.'s retirement and K.K. and Priest in general then where were they before he retired? If they are new fans then while its reasonable to worship K.K. you'd think they would be looking forwards to Richie Faulkner. Now that the problem is settled K.K. can golf into retirement and Judas Priest can focus on what they are supposed to focus on "real british steel heavy metal traditional style.
DOUBTING THOMAS,BUDDIE,I'MTELLIN'YOU,VELVET_LISELLE what a "fan" you guys are,you wait untill K.K. leaves the band to log on to the band's forum?FFFFFFpphh what a joke.
(Quoting Message by buddie from Friday, May 20, 2011 12:22:16 PM)
buddie wrote:
May 20th, 2011. or 5-20- 2011. A month has passed since KK announced his depature.
What is going on...first kk now Israel. This world is going t$%^& in a hurry.
Edited at: Saturday, May 21, 2011 4:20:48 AM
[velvet_liselle] Saturday, May 21, 2011 5:09:43 PM
JD diamond, I'm quite a new fan anyway... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, May 21, 2011 4:16:15 AM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
DOUBTING THOMAS,BUDDIE,I'MTELLIN'YOU,VELVET_LISELLE what a "fan" you guys are,you wait untill K.K. leaves the band to log on to the band's forum?FFFFFFpphh what a joke.
(Quoting Message by buddie from Friday, May 20, 2011 12:22:16 PM)
buddie wrote:
May 20th, 2011. or 5-20- 2011. A month has passed since KK announced his depature.
What is going on...first kk now Israel. This world is going t$%^& in a hurry.
Edited at: Saturday, May 21, 2011 4:20:48 AM
[Doubting Thomas] Saturday, May 21, 2011 8:38:45 AM
O.D. RUBY, J.P. DUSTER, J.R. POSER... Just because !
Don't be fooled by imitations... there is only one KK Downing!
The time to act is now. No need to brag about the past. You're only as good as your last post.
Velvet_Liselle can do as she feels... and feels what she wants! Edited at: Saturday, May 21, 2011 8:39:38 AM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, May 21, 2011 4:16:15 AM
DOUBTING THOMAS,BUDDIE,I'MTELLIN'YOU,VELVET_LISELLE what a "fan" you guys are,you wait untill K.K. leaves the band to log on to the band's forum?FFFFFFpphh what a joke.
May 20th, 2011. or 5-20- 2011. A month has passed since KK announced his depature.
What is going on...first kk now Israel. This world is going t$%^& in a hurry.
Edited at: Saturday, May 21, 2011 4:20:48 AM
[velvet_liselle] Friday, May 20, 2011 6:43:11 PM
I see you read the joke about bedroom golfing
I had a hard time translating it... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Doubting Thomas from Friday, May 20, 2011 6:31:32 PM)
Doubting Thomas wrote:
Velvet_Liselle,
That plan sounds good. remeber KK likes to play golf and has a golf course of his own. Include a full 18 holes of sinful gals before and after every concert and I think you'll have a hole in one!
[Doubting Thomas] Friday, May 20, 2011 6:31:32 PM
Velvet_Liselle,
That plan sounds good. remeber KK likes to play golf and has a golf course of his own. Include a full 18 holes of sinful gals before and after every concert and I think you'll have a hole in one!
[velvet_liselle] Friday, May 20, 2011 6:11:55 PM
If you don't manage to get through our sinful fantasies, here's the summary of the plan: " judasprincess is going to visit KK in Shropshire at his place to seduce him and convince him to come back to the band. She's going to bring some sexy gear like black stockings and stilletos... She's to promise KK that all the sinful gals will make it up to him during the tour - he's going to be seduced before and after every concert..." [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Doubting Thomas from Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:24:05 AM)
Doubting Thomas wrote:
The ultimate JP fantasy thread.... I will check it out!
Johnny B. Goode and you be good too... you sinful gal.
[buddie] Friday, May 20, 2011 12:22:16 PM
May 20th, 2011. or 5-20- 2011. A month has passed since KK announced his depature.
What is going on...first kk now Israel. This world is going t$%^& in a hurry.
[Doubting Thomas] Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:24:05 AM
The ultimate JP fantasy thread.... I will check it out!
Johnny B. Goode and you be good too... you sinful gal.
[velvet_liselle] Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:21:09 AM
The plan is not really a secret - it's openly described in the ultimateJP fantasy thread...,... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Doubting Thomas from Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:06:00 AM)
Doubting Thomas wrote:
VELVET_LISELLE! I'm glad you sinful gals have a plan. Mine plans is nothing more than complaining and protesting this terrible transition. I don't like it and until it rolls over here States side I will continue to plead for KK's return.
PS... can you get some details of the plan or "steps" without giving it away and having the RICHie RICH goon squad after you?
Edited at: Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:07:20 AM
[Doubting Thomas] Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:06:00 AM
VELVET_LISELLE! I'm glad you sinful gals have a plan. Mine plans is nothing more than complaining and protesting this terrible transition. I don't like it and until it rolls over here States side I will continue to plead for KK's return.
PS... can you get some details of the plan or "steps" without giving it away and having the RICHie RICH goon squad after you?
Edited at: Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:07:20 AM
[velvet_liselle] Wednesday, May 18, 2011 6:11:26 PM
Doubting Thomas, we are already taking "steps"... By saying we, I mean the sinful gals... There's a plan
Hey " velvet _liselle" whats up. How come you haven't posted on this topic? Aren't you gonna miss KK? I'd like to hear what you have to say on the matter.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, May 18, 2011 3:41:22 PM
I always wanted them to re-record Rocka Rolla,that would be awsome.
Thanks Nupe, I wasn't sure of the specifics, just heard bits and pieces. Now that really makes me wish that they had re-recorded Rocka Rolla and Sad Wings of Destiny! Even remastered, the quality of the recording of Rocka Rolla wasn't very good and would be GREATLY improved if they re-recorded it. The songs are great on it, but it's like the mics weren't turned on or something in the studio! Even KK said that they don't know why it sounded like that because they were playing their asses off! But that's another dream of mine that will not be fulfilled now that KK left the band. No way I want them to re-record those 2 albums now.... (Quoting Message by Nupe The Ripper from Monday, May 16, 2011 4:01:15 PM)
Nupe The Ripper wrote:
Gull Records owns all the rights to any recordings Priest made while they were under that label. That includes all studio albums, demos etc. but not the songs themselves. The copyright of those still reside with the writers (a reason why most of the Priest compilations use live versions of the older tracks to avoid having to pay licensing fees to Gull). Meanwhile, Gull can license those two albums however they please, which has led to the abundance of reissues and -packagings of them. In fact, because the band members and management wanted Metalogy to contain songs from every studio album, they had to license a couple of old tracks from Gull because no recordings of those songs recorded after Priest broke with Gull exist. Although why they didn't use a live version of Tyrant instead of the studio track on the compilation is a bit of a mystery...
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Sorry for the misunderstanding, let me rephrase, replace own with controlled. To me, if someone has that much power and control over what you do, they "own" you. So, when I say "own", I mean that the record company controlled what Rob did as well as everything that Priest did. They had control over what Rob did, including his solo career if he stayed in Priest while doing it. He didn't want them to be able to dictate what his solo album would sound like or whether he could tour, etc., so he quit Priest to break the contract. It pisses me off that record labels have that much control over the artists, but they do. I don't mean that Priest and Rob don't own the rights to their own material, they do own them (except for the first two albums on Gull). But the record label decides what they can and can't do and what they must do to fulfill their contract. It is in that sense that the record company "owns" them, by dictating what they have to do to fulfill the terms of the contract and Priest really doesn't have a lot of say in it. As for Gull, I do believe that Gull actually owns the rights to those songs like you said and I do think they have to pay them to use them, but I'm not sure either. I always thought that they should re-record those two albums and then release them and screw Gull over, but I bet they can't if Gull actually owns the rights to those songs. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, May 16, 2011 1:42:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
Rob had to leave the band to release solo material, but I dont think that the record lable owned the work he did with the band. I could be wrong though.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
What I meant was, we'll see how involved with the album KK was when it comes out based on the writing credits. Seems to me he was very involved considering the album is almost finished according to Rob. I have a feeling this had more to do with the record company telling them that if the new album is released, they were required to tour that album for x amount of time. Then things snowballed from there.
Rob had stated many times that the record company "owned" whatever he wrote when he was in Priest, whether it was solo or with Priest. They controlled what he would do in his solo career and he wanted to get his own contract and not be bound to the Priest record label. That is why he said he had to leave Priest, in order to break that contract and be able to do what he wanted, which was the purpose of the solo career in the first place. Very sad that he had to do that. So I think the record label has screwed Priest since day one! It doesn't matter which label they are with either, all of them have caused problems.
I'm also holding out hope that KK will make a few appearances at selected shows. Afterall, how long can he resist the allure of the Sinful Gals??
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
I cannot say if writing credits would factor in. Ken is intelligent enough to protect intellectual property. With him it would be more the perceived deception (and I know this from previous experience, which I will NOT discuss in this forum). The going behind his back to arrange auditions, etc. The only motive mgmt has in order to keep things moving following Epitaph. The band thinking, he's not onboard to tour after the album is released so we have to get on with it. There was another time in 'Priest history where they transitioned a player in the midst of a tour > album release > tour. He's known by most now as the best thing to happen to JP. Others know him only as Scott Travis. Still, finding out a replacement has been found is the proverbial kick in the gut! I'm sure, after reality sinks in, logic will prevail. They will remain friends. The band plays on. Perhaps a few appearances by Ken at selected venues (shrugs). All speculative, wishful thinking ... but very possible. I'm relatively certain ticket sales began with KK onboard for the entirety of Epitaph!
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Yes, that totally makes sense to me because he is definitely onboard in this interview. I'm not sure how the album fits in and I guess we won't know until it comes out, whether KK has writing credit and is playing on it or not? It seems like he must have been writing it with Rob and Glenn and now Rob says that the album is almost finished.... I think you are right about KK finding out that they were looking to replace him and that they intended to keep Priest going and maybe he just thought, well if they are going to replace me anyway, why not retire now? Of course, that's just my own ideas swirling around in my head. I don't know if there was a big blow out or not. Everyone in the band that has spoken, including KK, just seems very sad about the entire thing. They appear to still be friends and I really hope that is true.
But the main point here is that many people were claiming that the tickets to the Epitaph tour were sold under false pretenses, with the band knowing that KK had retired but chose to not release that info until April 20th, and this interview PROVES that is NOT THE CASE!
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
Edited at: Monday, May 16, 2011 3:04:21 PM
Edited at: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:14:15 PM
[Doubting Thomas] Wednesday, May 18, 2011 3:34:57 PM
Hey " velvet _liselle" whats up. How come you haven't posted on this topic? Aren't you gonna miss KK? I'd like to hear what you have to say on the matter.
[buddie] Wednesday, May 18, 2011 8:35:03 AM
This post is stayin right where it belongs. #1
KK or nothing
[Doubting Thomas] Tuesday, May 17, 2011 3:17:15 PM
Arnold Swarzinigger has been exposed because he was having a three way with the Maid and finally Marie said NO.
Now the Terminator has a bastard child...the Maidinator.
Judas Priest has been exposed because have been having a three way with RICHie RICH and finally KK said NO.
Now the Priest has a bastard child... the WTF super flyweight ax man RICHieeeeeeeee RICH..... white guitar not included unless seen on intro photo.
[I'mtellin'you] Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:15:21 AM
Ah, that makes sense. I think collectively we have this well explained now…
KK belongs in the band. RICHie RICH belongs in a comic book.
Judas Priest is KK. KK is Judas Priest. Priest is not Priest without KK.
JP Management needs to extend the olive branch and bring KK back.
JP Management needs to pay RICHie RICH for his time and send him packing.
[Head banger] Monday, May 16, 2011 5:13:49 PM
Ah, that makes sense. I think colectivly we have this well explained now...
Sorry for the misunderstanding, let me rephrase, replace own with controlled. To me, if someone has that much power and control over what you do, they "own" you. So, when I say "own", I mean that the record company controlled what Rob did as well as everything that Priest did. They had control over what Rob did, including his solo career if he stayed in Priest while doing it. He didn't want them to be able to dictate what his solo album would sound like or whether he could tour, etc., so he quit Priest to break the contract. It pisses me off that record labels have that much control over the artists, but they do. I don't mean that Priest and Rob don't own the rights to their own material, they do own them (except for the first two albums on Gull). But the record label decides what they can and can't do and what they must do to fulfill their contract. It is in that sense that the record company "owns" them, by dictating what they have to do to fulfill the terms of the contract and Priest really doesn't have a lot of say in it. As for Gull, I do believe that Gull actually owns the rights to those songs like you said and I do think they have to pay them to use them, but I'm not sure either. I always thought that they should re-record those two albums and then release them and screw Gull over, but I bet they can't if Gull actually owns the rights to those songs. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, May 16, 2011 1:42:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
Rob had to leave the band to release solo material, but I dont think that the record lable owned the work he did with the band. I could be wrong though.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
What I meant was, we'll see how involved with the album KK was when it comes out based on the writing credits. Seems to me he was very involved considering the album is almost finished according to Rob. I have a feeling this had more to do with the record company telling them that if the new album is released, they were required to tour that album for x amount of time. Then things snowballed from there.
Rob had stated many times that the record company "owned" whatever he wrote when he was in Priest, whether it was solo or with Priest. They controlled what he would do in his solo career and he wanted to get his own contract and not be bound to the Priest record label. That is why he said he had to leave Priest, in order to break that contract and be able to do what he wanted, which was the purpose of the solo career in the first place. Very sad that he had to do that. So I think the record label has screwed Priest since day one! It doesn't matter which label they are with either, all of them have caused problems.
I'm also holding out hope that KK will make a few appearances at selected shows. Afterall, how long can he resist the allure of the Sinful Gals??
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
I cannot say if writing credits would factor in. Ken is intelligent enough to protect intellectual property. With him it would be more the perceived deception (and I know this from previous experience, which I will NOT discuss in this forum). The going behind his back to arrange auditions, etc. The only motive mgmt has in order to keep things moving following Epitaph. The band thinking, he's not onboard to tour after the album is released so we have to get on with it. There was another time in 'Priest history where they transitioned a player in the midst of a tour > album release > tour. He's known by most now as the best thing to happen to JP. Others know him only as Scott Travis. Still, finding out a replacement has been found is the proverbial kick in the gut! I'm sure, after reality sinks in, logic will prevail. They will remain friends. The band plays on. Perhaps a few appearances by Ken at selected venues (shrugs). All speculative, wishful thinking ... but very possible. I'm relatively certain ticket sales began with KK onboard for the entirety of Epitaph!
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Yes, that totally makes sense to me because he is definitely onboard in this interview. I'm not sure how the album fits in and I guess we won't know until it comes out, whether KK has writing credit and is playing on it or not? It seems like he must have been writing it with Rob and Glenn and now Rob says that the album is almost finished.... I think you are right about KK finding out that they were looking to replace him and that they intended to keep Priest going and maybe he just thought, well if they are going to replace me anyway, why not retire now? Of course, that's just my own ideas swirling around in my head. I don't know if there was a big blow out or not. Everyone in the band that has spoken, including KK, just seems very sad about the entire thing. They appear to still be friends and I really hope that is true.
But the main point here is that many people were claiming that the tickets to the Epitaph tour were sold under false pretenses, with the band knowing that KK had retired but chose to not release that info until April 20th, and this interview PROVES that is NOT THE CASE!
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
Edited at: Monday, May 16, 2011 3:04:21 PM
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Monday, May 16, 2011 4:42:09 PM
Thanks Nupe, I wasn't sure of the specifics, just heard bits and pieces. Now that really makes me wish that they had re-recorded Rocka Rolla and Sad Wings of Destiny! Even remastered, the quality of the recording of Rocka Rolla wasn't very good and would be GREATLY improved if they re-recorded it. The songs are great on it, but it's like the mics weren't turned on or something in the studio! Even KK said that they don't know why it sounded like that because they were playing their asses off! But that's another dream of mine that will not be fulfilled now that KK left the band. No way I want them to re-record those 2 albums now.... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Nupe The Ripper from Monday, May 16, 2011 4:01:15 PM)
Nupe The Ripper wrote:
Gull Records owns all the rights to any recordings Priest made while they were under that label. That includes all studio albums, demos etc. but not the songs themselves. The copyright of those still reside with the writers (a reason why most of the Priest compilations use live versions of the older tracks to avoid having to pay licensing fees to Gull). Meanwhile, Gull can license those two albums however they please, which has led to the abundance of reissues and -packagings of them. In fact, because the band members and management wanted Metalogy to contain songs from every studio album, they had to license a couple of old tracks from Gull because no recordings of those songs recorded after Priest broke with Gull exist. Although why they didn't use a live version of Tyrant instead of the studio track on the compilation is a bit of a mystery...
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Sorry for the misunderstanding, let me rephrase, replace own with controlled. To me, if someone has that much power and control over what you do, they "own" you. So, when I say "own", I mean that the record company controlled what Rob did as well as everything that Priest did. They had control over what Rob did, including his solo career if he stayed in Priest while doing it. He didn't want them to be able to dictate what his solo album would sound like or whether he could tour, etc., so he quit Priest to break the contract. It pisses me off that record labels have that much control over the artists, but they do. I don't mean that Priest and Rob don't own the rights to their own material, they do own them (except for the first two albums on Gull). But the record label decides what they can and can't do and what they must do to fulfill their contract. It is in that sense that the record company "owns" them, by dictating what they have to do to fulfill the terms of the contract and Priest really doesn't have a lot of say in it. As for Gull, I do believe that Gull actually owns the rights to those songs like you said and I do think they have to pay them to use them, but I'm not sure either. I always thought that they should re-record those two albums and then release them and screw Gull over, but I bet they can't if Gull actually owns the rights to those songs. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, May 16, 2011 1:42:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
Rob had to leave the band to release solo material, but I dont think that the record lable owned the work he did with the band. I could be wrong though.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
What I meant was, we'll see how involved with the album KK was when it comes out based on the writing credits. Seems to me he was very involved considering the album is almost finished according to Rob. I have a feeling this had more to do with the record company telling them that if the new album is released, they were required to tour that album for x amount of time. Then things snowballed from there.
Rob had stated many times that the record company "owned" whatever he wrote when he was in Priest, whether it was solo or with Priest. They controlled what he would do in his solo career and he wanted to get his own contract and not be bound to the Priest record label. That is why he said he had to leave Priest, in order to break that contract and be able to do what he wanted, which was the purpose of the solo career in the first place. Very sad that he had to do that. So I think the record label has screwed Priest since day one! It doesn't matter which label they are with either, all of them have caused problems.
I'm also holding out hope that KK will make a few appearances at selected shows. Afterall, how long can he resist the allure of the Sinful Gals??
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
I cannot say if writing credits would factor in. Ken is intelligent enough to protect intellectual property. With him it would be more the perceived deception (and I know this from previous experience, which I will NOT discuss in this forum). The going behind his back to arrange auditions, etc. The only motive mgmt has in order to keep things moving following Epitaph. The band thinking, he's not onboard to tour after the album is released so we have to get on with it. There was another time in 'Priest history where they transitioned a player in the midst of a tour > album release > tour. He's known by most now as the best thing to happen to JP. Others know him only as Scott Travis. Still, finding out a replacement has been found is the proverbial kick in the gut! I'm sure, after reality sinks in, logic will prevail. They will remain friends. The band plays on. Perhaps a few appearances by Ken at selected venues (shrugs). All speculative, wishful thinking ... but very possible. I'm relatively certain ticket sales began with KK onboard for the entirety of Epitaph!
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Yes, that totally makes sense to me because he is definitely onboard in this interview. I'm not sure how the album fits in and I guess we won't know until it comes out, whether KK has writing credit and is playing on it or not? It seems like he must have been writing it with Rob and Glenn and now Rob says that the album is almost finished.... I think you are right about KK finding out that they were looking to replace him and that they intended to keep Priest going and maybe he just thought, well if they are going to replace me anyway, why not retire now? Of course, that's just my own ideas swirling around in my head. I don't know if there was a big blow out or not. Everyone in the band that has spoken, including KK, just seems very sad about the entire thing. They appear to still be friends and I really hope that is true.
But the main point here is that many people were claiming that the tickets to the Epitaph tour were sold under false pretenses, with the band knowing that KK had retired but chose to not release that info until April 20th, and this interview PROVES that is NOT THE CASE!
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
Edited at: Monday, May 16, 2011 3:04:21 PM
Edited at: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:14:15 PM
[Nupe The Ripper] Monday, May 16, 2011 4:01:15 PM
Gull Records owns all the rights to any recordings Priest made while they were under that label. That includes all studio albums, demos etc. but not the songs themselves. The copyright of those still reside with the writers (a reason why most of the Priest compilations use live versions of the older tracks to avoid having to pay licensing fees to Gull). Meanwhile, Gull can license those two albums however they please, which has led to the abundance of reissues and -packagings of them. In fact, because the band members and management wanted Metalogy to contain songs from every studio album, they had to license a couple of old tracks from Gull because no recordings of those songs recorded after Priest broke with Gull exist. Although why they didn't use a live version of Tyrant instead of the studio track on the compilation is a bit of a mystery...
Sorry for the misunderstanding, let me rephrase, replace own with controlled. To me, if someone has that much power and control over what you do, they "own" you. So, when I say "own", I mean that the record company controlled what Rob did as well as everything that Priest did. They had control over what Rob did, including his solo career if he stayed in Priest while doing it. He didn't want them to be able to dictate what his solo album would sound like or whether he could tour, etc., so he quit Priest to break the contract. It pisses me off that record labels have that much control over the artists, but they do. I don't mean that Priest and Rob don't own the rights to their own material, they do own them (except for the first two albums on Gull). But the record label decides what they can and can't do and what they must do to fulfill their contract. It is in that sense that the record company "owns" them, by dictating what they have to do to fulfill the terms of the contract and Priest really doesn't have a lot of say in it. As for Gull, I do believe that Gull actually owns the rights to those songs like you said and I do think they have to pay them to use them, but I'm not sure either. I always thought that they should re-record those two albums and then release them and screw Gull over, but I bet they can't if Gull actually owns the rights to those songs. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, May 16, 2011 1:42:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
Rob had to leave the band to release solo material, but I dont think that the record lable owned the work he did with the band. I could be wrong though.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
What I meant was, we'll see how involved with the album KK was when it comes out based on the writing credits. Seems to me he was very involved considering the album is almost finished according to Rob. I have a feeling this had more to do with the record company telling them that if the new album is released, they were required to tour that album for x amount of time. Then things snowballed from there.
Rob had stated many times that the record company "owned" whatever he wrote when he was in Priest, whether it was solo or with Priest. They controlled what he would do in his solo career and he wanted to get his own contract and not be bound to the Priest record label. That is why he said he had to leave Priest, in order to break that contract and be able to do what he wanted, which was the purpose of the solo career in the first place. Very sad that he had to do that. So I think the record label has screwed Priest since day one! It doesn't matter which label they are with either, all of them have caused problems.
I'm also holding out hope that KK will make a few appearances at selected shows. Afterall, how long can he resist the allure of the Sinful Gals??
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
I cannot say if writing credits would factor in. Ken is intelligent enough to protect intellectual property. With him it would be more the perceived deception (and I know this from previous experience, which I will NOT discuss in this forum). The going behind his back to arrange auditions, etc. The only motive mgmt has in order to keep things moving following Epitaph. The band thinking, he's not onboard to tour after the album is released so we have to get on with it. There was another time in 'Priest history where they transitioned a player in the midst of a tour > album release > tour. He's known by most now as the best thing to happen to JP. Others know him only as Scott Travis. Still, finding out a replacement has been found is the proverbial kick in the gut! I'm sure, after reality sinks in, logic will prevail. They will remain friends. The band plays on. Perhaps a few appearances by Ken at selected venues (shrugs). All speculative, wishful thinking ... but very possible. I'm relatively certain ticket sales began with KK onboard for the entirety of Epitaph!
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Yes, that totally makes sense to me because he is definitely onboard in this interview. I'm not sure how the album fits in and I guess we won't know until it comes out, whether KK has writing credit and is playing on it or not? It seems like he must have been writing it with Rob and Glenn and now Rob says that the album is almost finished.... I think you are right about KK finding out that they were looking to replace him and that they intended to keep Priest going and maybe he just thought, well if they are going to replace me anyway, why not retire now? Of course, that's just my own ideas swirling around in my head. I don't know if there was a big blow out or not. Everyone in the band that has spoken, including KK, just seems very sad about the entire thing. They appear to still be friends and I really hope that is true.
But the main point here is that many people were claiming that the tickets to the Epitaph tour were sold under false pretenses, with the band knowing that KK had retired but chose to not release that info until April 20th, and this interview PROVES that is NOT THE CASE!
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
Edited at: Monday, May 16, 2011 3:04:21 PM
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Monday, May 16, 2011 2:43:21 PM
Sorry for the misunderstanding, let me rephrase, replace own with controlled. To me, if someone has that much power and control over what you do, they "own" you. So, when I say "own", I mean that the record company controlled what Rob did as well as everything that Priest did. They had control over what Rob did, including his solo career if he stayed in Priest while doing it. He didn't want them to be able to dictate what his solo album would sound like or whether he could tour, etc., so he quit Priest to break the contract. It pisses me off that record labels have that much control over the artists, but they do. I don't mean that Priest and Rob don't own the rights to their own material, they do own them (except for the first two albums on Gull). But the record label decides what they can and can't do and what they must do to fulfill their contract. It is in that sense that the record company "owns" them, by dictating what they have to do to fulfill the terms of the contract and Priest really doesn't have a lot of say in it. As for Gull, I do believe that Gull actually owns the rights to those songs like you said and I do think they have to pay them to use them, but I'm not sure either. I always thought that they should re-record those two albums and then release them and screw Gull over, but I bet they can't if Gull actually owns the rights to those songs. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, May 16, 2011 1:42:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
Rob had to leave the band to release solo material, but I dont think that the record lable owned the work he did with the band. I could be wrong though.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
What I meant was, we'll see how involved with the album KK was when it comes out based on the writing credits. Seems to me he was very involved considering the album is almost finished according to Rob. I have a feeling this had more to do with the record company telling them that if the new album is released, they were required to tour that album for x amount of time. Then things snowballed from there.
Rob had stated many times that the record company "owned" whatever he wrote when he was in Priest, whether it was solo or with Priest. They controlled what he would do in his solo career and he wanted to get his own contract and not be bound to the Priest record label. That is why he said he had to leave Priest, in order to break that contract and be able to do what he wanted, which was the purpose of the solo career in the first place. Very sad that he had to do that. So I think the record label has screwed Priest since day one! It doesn't matter which label they are with either, all of them have caused problems.
I'm also holding out hope that KK will make a few appearances at selected shows. Afterall, how long can he resist the allure of the Sinful Gals??
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
I cannot say if writing credits would factor in. Ken is intelligent enough to protect intellectual property. With him it would be more the perceived deception (and I know this from previous experience, which I will NOT discuss in this forum). The going behind his back to arrange auditions, etc. The only motive mgmt has in order to keep things moving following Epitaph. The band thinking, he's not onboard to tour after the album is released so we have to get on with it. There was another time in 'Priest history where they transitioned a player in the midst of a tour > album release > tour. He's known by most now as the best thing to happen to JP. Others know him only as Scott Travis. Still, finding out a replacement has been found is the proverbial kick in the gut! I'm sure, after reality sinks in, logic will prevail. They will remain friends. The band plays on. Perhaps a few appearances by Ken at selected venues (shrugs). All speculative, wishful thinking ... but very possible. I'm relatively certain ticket sales began with KK onboard for the entirety of Epitaph!
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Yes, that totally makes sense to me because he is definitely onboard in this interview. I'm not sure how the album fits in and I guess we won't know until it comes out, whether KK has writing credit and is playing on it or not? It seems like he must have been writing it with Rob and Glenn and now Rob says that the album is almost finished.... I think you are right about KK finding out that they were looking to replace him and that they intended to keep Priest going and maybe he just thought, well if they are going to replace me anyway, why not retire now? Of course, that's just my own ideas swirling around in my head. I don't know if there was a big blow out or not. Everyone in the band that has spoken, including KK, just seems very sad about the entire thing. They appear to still be friends and I really hope that is true.
But the main point here is that many people were claiming that the tickets to the Epitaph tour were sold under false pretenses, with the band knowing that KK had retired but chose to not release that info until April 20th, and this interview PROVES that is NOT THE CASE!
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
Edited at: Monday, May 16, 2011 3:04:21 PM
[Head banger] Monday, May 16, 2011 1:42:48 PM
Rob had to leave the band to release solo material, but I dont think that the record lable owned the work he did with the band. I could be wrong though.
What I meant was, we'll see how involved with the album KK was when it comes out based on the writing credits. Seems to me he was very involved considering the album is almost finished according to Rob. I have a feeling this had more to do with the record company telling them that if the new album is released, they were required to tour that album for x amount of time. Then things snowballed from there.
Rob had stated many times that the record company "owned" whatever he wrote when he was in Priest, whether it was solo or with Priest. They controlled what he would do in his solo career and he wanted to get his own contract and not be bound to the Priest record label. That is why he said he had to leave Priest, in order to break that contract and be able to do what he wanted, which was the purpose of the solo career in the first place. Very sad that he had to do that. So I think the record label has screwed Priest since day one! It doesn't matter which label they are with either, all of them have caused problems.
I'm also holding out hope that KK will make a few appearances at selected shows. Afterall, how long can he resist the allure of the Sinful Gals??
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
I cannot say if writing credits would factor in. Ken is intelligent enough to protect intellectual property. With him it would be more the perceived deception (and I know this from previous experience, which I will NOT discuss in this forum). The going behind his back to arrange auditions, etc. The only motive mgmt has in order to keep things moving following Epitaph. The band thinking, he's not onboard to tour after the album is released so we have to get on with it. There was another time in 'Priest history where they transitioned a player in the midst of a tour > album release > tour. He's known by most now as the best thing to happen to JP. Others know him only as Scott Travis. Still, finding out a replacement has been found is the proverbial kick in the gut! I'm sure, after reality sinks in, logic will prevail. They will remain friends. The band plays on. Perhaps a few appearances by Ken at selected venues (shrugs). All speculative, wishful thinking ... but very possible. I'm relatively certain ticket sales began with KK onboard for the entirety of Epitaph!
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Yes, that totally makes sense to me because he is definitely onboard in this interview. I'm not sure how the album fits in and I guess we won't know until it comes out, whether KK has writing credit and is playing on it or not? It seems like he must have been writing it with Rob and Glenn and now Rob says that the album is almost finished.... I think you are right about KK finding out that they were looking to replace him and that they intended to keep Priest going and maybe he just thought, well if they are going to replace me anyway, why not retire now? Of course, that's just my own ideas swirling around in my head. I don't know if there was a big blow out or not. Everyone in the band that has spoken, including KK, just seems very sad about the entire thing. They appear to still be friends and I really hope that is true.
But the main point here is that many people were claiming that the tickets to the Epitaph tour were sold under false pretenses, with the band knowing that KK had retired but chose to not release that info until April 20th, and this interview PROVES that is NOT THE CASE!
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Monday, May 16, 2011 1:31:38 PM
What I meant was, we'll see how involved with the album KK was when it comes out based on the writing credits. Seems to me he was very involved considering the album is almost finished according to Rob. I have a feeling this had more to do with the record company telling them that if the new album is released, they were required to tour that album for x amount of time. Then things snowballed from there.
Rob had stated many times that the record company "owned" whatever he wrote when he was in Priest, whether it was solo or with Priest. They controlled what he would do in his solo career and he wanted to get his own contract and not be bound to the Priest record label. That is why he said he had to leave Priest, in order to break that contract and be able to do what he wanted, which was the purpose of the solo career in the first place. Very sad that he had to do that. So I think the record label has screwed Priest since day one! It doesn't matter which label they are with either, all of them have caused problems.
I'm also holding out hope that KK will make a few appearances at selected shows. Afterall, how long can he resist the allure of the Sinful Gals??
I cannot say if writing credits would factor in. Ken is intelligent enough to protect intellectual property. With him it would be more the perceived deception (and I know this from previous experience, which I will NOT discuss in this forum). The going behind his back to arrange auditions, etc. The only motive mgmt has in order to keep things moving following Epitaph. The band thinking, he's not onboard to tour after the album is released so we have to get on with it. There was another time in 'Priest history where they transitioned a player in the midst of a tour > album release > tour. He's known by most now as the best thing to happen to JP. Others know him only as Scott Travis. Still, finding out a replacement has been found is the proverbial kick in the gut! I'm sure, after reality sinks in, logic will prevail. They will remain friends. The band plays on. Perhaps a few appearances by Ken at selected venues (shrugs). All speculative, wishful thinking ... but very possible. I'm relatively certain ticket sales began with KK onboard for the entirety of Epitaph!
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Yes, that totally makes sense to me because he is definitely onboard in this interview. I'm not sure how the album fits in and I guess we won't know until it comes out, whether KK has writing credit and is playing on it or not? It seems like he must have been writing it with Rob and Glenn and now Rob says that the album is almost finished.... I think you are right about KK finding out that they were looking to replace him and that they intended to keep Priest going and maybe he just thought, well if they are going to replace me anyway, why not retire now? Of course, that's just my own ideas swirling around in my head. I don't know if there was a big blow out or not. Everyone in the band that has spoken, including KK, just seems very sad about the entire thing. They appear to still be friends and I really hope that is true.
But the main point here is that many people were claiming that the tickets to the Epitaph tour were sold under false pretenses, with the band knowing that KK had retired but chose to not release that info until April 20th, and this interview PROVES that is NOT THE CASE!
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
[I'mtellin'you] Monday, May 16, 2011 12:33:23 PM
What are youo listening rigt now? KK Downing playing ...The SINNER!
[I'mtellin'you] Monday, May 16, 2011 9:04:09 AM
Ultimate JP fantasy? KK Dowing back in the band for May 16th 2011 and beyond. Edited at: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:05:16 AM
[Head banger] Sunday, May 15, 2011 9:16:07 PM
I thought, and I could well be wrong that they owned the catalog after the gull years. they sold the publishing rights but not the usage rights in the subsequent deals. but I could be wrong. I did read once that if they played anything live from the gull years they had to pay gull a royalty [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by \~AuntieB~/ from Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:30:00 PM)
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
Very good point about the record company! Is it still CBS London ? Sony / Epic ? Unless they buy the rights to the "songs" 'don't think own them in that regard. About touring in support of, so enough units get sold, is more like it ; ) At the end, not knowing how the contract reads, writers / artists are still entitled in that regard. And the record company and management are entitled respectively. If I recall, the reason things went south with Gull was the band were naive and believed the only way to get signed by a major was to sign over the rights to their music. Please correct if I am wrong.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
OK, we were just talking and hit upon another thought: what is the record companies take on this? Perhaps KK was all for the album and Epitaph tour and like you said, not on board for subsequent touring. The record company may have said that they had to tour for a certain amount of time after the release of the new album and perhaps do a new tour for it. I don't really know what record companies require from bands, so this is just speculation on our part. But I don't think KK was up for anything past the Epitaph tour and new album. Rob pretty much quit Priest due to the record company believing that they "owned" anything that he penned, so he had to quit Priest in order to be free to do what he wanted. Maybe this has more to do with the record company than anything else? Just another angle to consider....
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
[\~AuntieB~/] Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:30:00 PM
Very good point about the record company! Is it still CBS London ? Sony / Epic ? Unless they buy the rights to the "songs" 'don't think own them in that regard. About touring in support of, so enough units get sold, is more like it ; ) At the end, not knowing how the contract reads, writers / artists are still entitled in that regard. And the record company and management are entitled respectively. If I recall, the reason things went south with Gull was the band were naive and believed the only way to get signed by a major was to sign over the rights to their music. Please correct if I am wrong. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:04:48 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
OK, we were just talking and hit upon another thought: what is the record companies take on this? Perhaps KK was all for the album and Epitaph tour and like you said, not on board for subsequent touring. The record company may have said that they had to tour for a certain amount of time after the release of the new album and perhaps do a new tour for it. I don't really know what record companies require from bands, so this is just speculation on our part. But I don't think KK was up for anything past the Epitaph tour and new album. Rob pretty much quit Priest due to the record company believing that they "owned" anything that he penned, so he had to quit Priest in order to be free to do what he wanted. Maybe this has more to do with the record company than anything else? Just another angle to consider....
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
[\~AuntieB~/] Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:15:52 PM
I cannot say if writing credits would factor in. Ken is intelligent enough to protect intellectual property. With him it would be more the perceived deception (and I know this from previous experience, which I will NOT discuss in this forum). The going behind his back to arrange auditions, etc. The only motive mgmt has in order to keep things moving following Epitaph. The band thinking, he's not onboard to tour after the album is released so we have to get on with it. There was another time in 'Priest history where they transitioned a player in the midst of a tour > album release > tour. He's known by most now as the best thing to happen to JP. Others know him only as Scott Travis. Still, finding out a replacement has been found is the proverbial kick in the gut! I'm sure, after reality sinks in, logic will prevail. They will remain friends. The band plays on. Perhaps a few appearances by Ken at selected venues (shrugs). All speculative, wishful thinking ... but very possible. I'm relatively certain ticket sales began with KK onboard for the entirety of Epitaph! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Sunday, May 15, 2011 5:34:52 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Yes, that totally makes sense to me because he is definitely onboard in this interview. I'm not sure how the album fits in and I guess we won't know until it comes out, whether KK has writing credit and is playing on it or not? It seems like he must have been writing it with Rob and Glenn and now Rob says that the album is almost finished.... I think you are right about KK finding out that they were looking to replace him and that they intended to keep Priest going and maybe he just thought, well if they are going to replace me anyway, why not retire now? Of course, that's just my own ideas swirling around in my head. I don't know if there was a big blow out or not. Everyone in the band that has spoken, including KK, just seems very sad about the entire thing. They appear to still be friends and I really hope that is true.
But the main point here is that many people were claiming that the tickets to the Epitaph tour were sold under false pretenses, with the band knowing that KK had retired but chose to not release that info until April 20th, and this interview PROVES that is NOT THE CASE!
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
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[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:14:58 PM
I have seen the posts and you girls have some great ideas, but my fantasies have always revolved around Glenn and Rob I love KK and I would love for him to come back, I just don't know that he will.....
HRMG, unless he's a very good actor...
Have you been to to thread about ultimate JP fantasy? There are some ideas stirring up there how to convince KK to come back... Coem and look for yourself, at the moment it;s on page 2 Maybe you would like to join the "JP rescue group"
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Yes, that totally makes sense to me because he is definitely onboard in this interview. I'm not sure how the album fits in and I guess we won't know until it comes out, whether KK has writing credit and is playing on it or not? It seems like he must have been writing it with Rob and Glenn and now Rob says that the album is almost finished.... I think you are right about KK finding out that they were looking to replace him and that they intended to keep Priest going and maybe he just thought, well if they are going to replace me anyway, why not retire now? Of course, that's just my own ideas swirling around in my head. I don't know if there was a big blow out or not. Everyone in the band that has spoken, including KK, just seems very sad about the entire thing. They appear to still be friends and I really hope that is true.
But the main point here is that many people were claiming that the tickets to the Epitaph tour were sold under false pretenses, with the band knowing that KK had retired but chose to not release that info until April 20th, and this interview PROVES that is NOT THE CASE!
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
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[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:04:48 PM
OK, we were just talking and hit upon another thought: what is the record companies take on this? Perhaps KK was all for the album and Epitaph tour and like you said, not on board for subsequent touring. The record company may have said that they had to tour for a certain amount of time after the release of the new album and perhaps do a new tour for it. I don't really know what record companies require from bands, so this is just speculation on our part. But I don't think KK was up for anything past the Epitaph tour and new album. Rob pretty much quit Priest due to the record company believing that they "owned" anything that he penned, so he had to quit Priest in order to be free to do what he wanted. Maybe this has more to do with the record company than anything else? Just another angle to consider....
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
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[velvet_liselle] Sunday, May 15, 2011 5:43:24 PM
HRMG, unless he's a very good actor...
Have you been to to thread about ultimate JP fantasy? There are some ideas stirring up there how to convince KK to come back... Coem and look for yourself, at the moment it;s on page 2 Maybe you would like to join the "JP rescue group" [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Sunday, May 15, 2011 5:34:52 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Yes, that totally makes sense to me because he is definitely onboard in this interview. I'm not sure how the album fits in and I guess we won't know until it comes out, whether KK has writing credit and is playing on it or not? It seems like he must have been writing it with Rob and Glenn and now Rob says that the album is almost finished.... I think you are right about KK finding out that they were looking to replace him and that they intended to keep Priest going and maybe he just thought, well if they are going to replace me anyway, why not retire now? Of course, that's just my own ideas swirling around in my head. I don't know if there was a big blow out or not. Everyone in the band that has spoken, including KK, just seems very sad about the entire thing. They appear to still be friends and I really hope that is true.
But the main point here is that many people were claiming that the tickets to the Epitaph tour were sold under false pretenses, with the band knowing that KK had retired but chose to not release that info until April 20th, and this interview PROVES that is NOT THE CASE!
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Sunday, May 15, 2011 5:34:52 PM
Yes, that totally makes sense to me because he is definitely onboard in this interview. I'm not sure how the album fits in and I guess we won't know until it comes out, whether KK has writing credit and is playing on it or not? It seems like he must have been writing it with Rob and Glenn and now Rob says that the album is almost finished.... I think you are right about KK finding out that they were looking to replace him and that they intended to keep Priest going and maybe he just thought, well if they are going to replace me anyway, why not retire now? Of course, that's just my own ideas swirling around in my head. I don't know if there was a big blow out or not. Everyone in the band that has spoken, including KK, just seems very sad about the entire thing. They appear to still be friends and I really hope that is true.
But the main point here is that many people were claiming that the tickets to the Epitaph tour were sold under false pretenses, with the band knowing that KK had retired but chose to not release that info until April 20th, and this interview PROVES that is NOT THE CASE!
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
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[guidogodoy] Sunday, May 15, 2011 2:12:49 PM
I see that scenario as more likely than a "massive blowout" between KK / band / management. Much more logical.
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
[\~AuntieB~/] Sunday, May 15, 2011 5:57:18 AM
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Monday, May 09, 2011 5:00:27 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
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[\~AuntieB~/] Sunday, May 15, 2011 5:47:00 AM
Thanks for posting these links. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Eternal Betrayer from Wednesday, May 11, 2011 4:17:17 PM)
Eternal Betrayer wrote:
Something else for those that haven't heard it already - Eddie Trunk (US Rock DJ & personal friend of the band) discusses & gives his opinion on KK's retirement. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChxpPTKRNxA
(Quoting Message by \~AuntieB~/ from Saturday, May 14, 2011 6:37:01 AM)
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
... and yet the trolls seem to keep getting attention. I think a "one out" is cool. To continuously counter their posts with any acknowledgment is futile, and unnecessary. I don't support most of what they post. Some of it is comic relief, at best.
I have to agree though, watching a chain of exchanges between real member accounts and poser accounts gets to be a bit much.
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[Brian_Evans] Saturday, May 14, 2011 9:13:55 PM
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[Head banger] Saturday, May 14, 2011 6:58:41 PM
I probably shouldnt complain about the managment of the project.... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14:28 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, tell the truth. DF has outgrown us. Superstars don't post here.
As proof of my statement, I give my question to the MM/DF project. Like questions to JP, it went unanswered!
I blame shitty management. By the way, which one's Pink?
Head banger wrote:
This is one of the reasons DF doesnt post here anymore. he cant stand the troll feeding.
[Head banger] Saturday, May 14, 2011 6:45:15 PM
true about trolls on FB. they are way easier to block there
if we could actualy crush these stuid buggers taht would be better [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:56:52 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
As if anywhere else he posts there aren't any trolls. Facebook has tons of trolls.All forums have trolls. Actually Freeze before he left told me to keep nailing these trolls,in a round about way he said we need a designated troll crusher lol!
Head banger wrote:
This is one of the reasons DF doesnt post here anymore. he cant stand the troll feeding.
[spapad] Saturday, May 14, 2011 6:09:57 PM
WTF tour? You really do live in a plastic bubble don't you. This mentality makes me sick.
O.D.RUBY the Troll blower. Just cry and watch those hard lips start puckering. Enjoy WTF tour.
[I'mtellin'you] Saturday, May 14, 2011 5:02:05 PM
O.D.RUBY the Troll blower. Just cry and watch those hard lips start puckering. Enjoy WTF tour.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:56:52 PM
As if anywhere else he posts there aren't any trolls. Facebook has tons of trolls.All forums have trolls. Actually Freeze before he left told me to keep nailing these trolls,in a round about way he said we need a designated troll crusher lol!
This is one of the reasons DF doesnt post here anymore. he cant stand the troll feeding.
[guidogodoy] Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14:28 PM
Oh, tell the truth. DF has outgrown us. Superstars don't post here.
As proof of my statement, I give my question to the MM/DF project. Like questions to JP, it went unanswered!
I blame shitty management. By the way, which one's Pink?
I love KK and I would love for him to come back, I just don't know that he will.....
LOL 