| [ron h] Saturday, April 04, 2009 6:52:58 PM | |
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  Yeah...riiiiiiiight...like they'd get anything done with you ladies running things...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Saturday, April 04, 2009 6:33:11 PM)| |  | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | Yeah thank gawd, they are legendary... Their history and music speaks for itself.. I agree with the managment issues.. Maybe if us Sinful girls could manage the band they wouldnt have all these problems...LMAO ROFL
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | I've always imagined a little room with greedy little ppl in it, laughing and throwing money about while our boys we're slaving away at their craft...I know it's not reality, but they pay ppl damn good money to represent them, and they've been continuosly let down...fortunately, their music and style succeeded in spite of!!!
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| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | YES
| | | spapad wrote: | | Like I said JayDee, not trying to step on toes, but do we really have a right to judge?
| | | JayDee Jepsen wrote: | | Yes it is easy to second guess.
My posting was based on an article on Ian Hill written about 6 months ago. in the article Ian says "it costs a fortune to make a cd" and "most bands don't have the back catalog that we have to support themselves". This lead me to conclude that they're watching their bottom-line. |
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| [JayDee Jepsen] Saturday, April 04, 2009 6:36:21 PM | |
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Like Ron said. YES! I have purchased every Judas Priest cd and have gone to countless concerts over the past 25 years. I think anyone who spends their hard earn money over many years to support the success of Judas Priest feels a certain right to judge.
These discussions are healthy because they show the passion of the true JP fans and their desire for Priest success! |
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Saturday, April 04, 2009 6:33:11 PM | |
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Yeah thank gawd, they are legendary... Their history and music speaks for itself.. I agree with the managment issues.. Maybe if us Sinful girls could manage the band they wouldnt have all these problems...LMAO ROFL
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Saturday, April 04, 2009 6:30:38 PM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | I've always imagined a little room with greedy little ppl in it, laughing and throwing money about while our boys we're slaving away at their craft...I know it's not reality, but they pay ppl damn good money to represent them, and they've been continuosly let down...fortunately, their music and style succeeded in spite of!!!
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| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | YES
| | | spapad wrote: | | Like I said JayDee, not trying to step on toes, but do we really have a right to judge?
| | | JayDee Jepsen wrote: | | Yes it is easy to second guess.
My posting was based on an article on Ian Hill written about 6 months ago. in the article Ian says "it costs a fortune to make a cd" and "most bands don't have the back catalog that we have to support themselves". This lead me to conclude that they're watching their bottom-line. |
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| [ron h] Saturday, April 04, 2009 6:30:38 PM | |
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I've always imagined a little room with greedy little ppl in it, laughing and throwing money about while our boys we're slaving away at their craft...I know it's not reality, but they pay ppl damn good money to represent them, and they've been continuosly let down...fortunately, their music and style succeeded in spite of!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Saturday, April 04, 2009 6:23:42 PM)| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | |
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | YES
| | | spapad wrote: | | Like I said JayDee, not trying to step on toes, but do we really have a right to judge?
| | | JayDee Jepsen wrote: | | Yes it is easy to second guess.
My posting was based on an article on Ian Hill written about 6 months ago. in the article Ian says "it costs a fortune to make a cd" and "most bands don't have the back catalog that we have to support themselves". This lead me to conclude that they're watching their bottom-line. |
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Saturday, April 04, 2009 6:23:42 PM | |
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[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Saturday, April 04, 2009 6:19:09 PM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | YES
| | | spapad wrote: | | Like I said JayDee, not trying to step on toes, but do we really have a right to judge?
| | | JayDee Jepsen wrote: | | Yes it is easy to second guess.
My posting was based on an article on Ian Hill written about 6 months ago. in the article Ian says "it costs a fortune to make a cd" and "most bands don't have the back catalog that we have to support themselves". This lead me to conclude that they're watching their bottom-line. |
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| [ron h] Saturday, April 04, 2009 6:19:09 PM | |
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YES
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, April 04, 2009 3:18:38 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | Like I said JayDee, not trying to step on toes, but do we really have a right to judge?
| | | JayDee Jepsen wrote: | | Yes it is easy to second guess.
My posting was based on an article on Ian Hill written about 6 months ago. in the article Ian says "it costs a fortune to make a cd" and "most bands don't have the back catalog that we have to support themselves". This lead me to conclude that they're watching their bottom-line. |
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| [spapad] Saturday, April 04, 2009 3:18:38 PM | |
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Like I said JayDee, not trying to step on toes, but do we really have a right to judge?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JayDee Jepsen from Saturday, April 04, 2009 2:05:59 PM)| | | JayDee Jepsen wrote: | | Yes it is easy to second guess.
My posting was based on an article on Ian Hill written about 6 months ago. in the article Ian says "it costs a fortune to make a cd" and "most bands don't have the back catalog that we have to support themselves". This lead me to conclude that they're watching their bottom-line. |
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| [JayDee Jepsen] Saturday, April 04, 2009 2:05:59 PM | |
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Yes it is easy to second guess.
My posting was based on an article on Ian Hill written about 6 months ago. in the article Ian says "it costs a fortune to make a cd" and "most bands don't have the back catalog that we have to support themselves". This lead me to conclude that they're watching their bottom-line. |
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| [Head banger] Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:41:58 AM | |
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I think your right. its easy to criticize, but much harder to do it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:35:03 AM)| | | spapad wrote: | | Hate to step on anyone's toes but,
I've heard of "Armchair" Quarterbacks before,................But not "Armchair" Producers and Managers.
I dare say the band and their management, while we may not like said management, know alot more about the music business than we do.
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| [spapad] Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:35:03 AM | |
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Hate to step on anyone's toes but,
I've heard of "Armchair" Quarterbacks before,................But not "Armchair" Producers and Managers.
I dare say the band and their management, while we may not like said management, know alot more about the music business than we do.
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| [JayDee Jepsen] Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:19:00 AM | |
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I tend to agree that there is some contentment on the part of Priest, after all they have a huge back catalog of music that defines who they are and their accomplishments. However I have to believe they were really hoping for 'gold' glory again with Nostradamus. IMO the problem is money. JP does a cost/benefit analysis on the cost to make and promote a cd VS potential cd sales and that determins where they think they need to "cut corners" to be profitable. So IMO they cheapen up the videos (ie AOR's 'Revolution' with music overdub existing footage & the cartoon 'War' video) then hire a friend producer (Roy Z ) who is ok but not top quality or do it yourself (KK/Glenn in Nostradamus & some of AOR).
You have to spend the money to make the money. If you spend little, you get little. You can't blame management for everything because JP members are pushing 60 and after 35+ years in the business they know what to do - it's dollars & cents! Eventhough sometime "commonsense" seems to exscape them.
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| [ron h] Friday, April 03, 2009 10:27:16 PM | |
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I'm not sure they see it the same way we do...they're happy and content...outlasted most, no worries...we, as fans, seem to take things more personally (?) than they do...I also just think that we are tired of seeing lessor bands recieve more attention and accolades than our boys, and it pisses us off...even if they read our posts, what do we say amongst ourselves that they haven't heard before??...surely we're not the only ones to see this...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by tasnam1 from Friday, April 03, 2009 10:21:25 PM)| | | tasnam1 wrote: | | AGAIN ronhartsell WELL SAID.
What can WE do to get the bands attention to encourage them to consider a management(?) change/new direction???
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | I believe to the core of me that Priest have always been victims of shoddy management...time and again, throughout their entire existence, they have been mismanaged, under promoted, sold-out (ie. Reckless/Top Gun), and of course everything you posted...for what good has happend, there could (should) have been so much more!!!
| | | JayDee Jepsen wrote: | | I don't post very many comments but I have to agree with JD D. Judas Preist should have / could have trimmed Nostradamus down to a 1 cd without losing the feel and increasing the intensity of the cd. With downloading, people have short attention spans and aren't in to the 2 hour concept records like those in the '70's. I think if JP would have trimmed the songs and made some quality videos to support them, ie Nostradamus, Alone, etc.(note JP has not made a quality video since Painkiller) then we would have a much better JP masterpiece and sales would be better, but we know all about 20/20 vision.
The fact that JP has been this good and well recieved and chart topping for this long is amazing in and of itself. Many other bands like them are reduced to milking their 2-3 semi hit songs in dive bars around the world while JP still play is huge areas some 35+ years later!
I would be pleasantly surprised if JP made another studio cd but in the mean time; all of us should stop "arm chair quarterbacking" the JP Nostradamus cd or the 29-30 yr aniversery of British Steel and just go out there and rock out with them as much as we can before the FINAL CURTAIN CALL.
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| [tasnam1] Friday, April 03, 2009 10:21:25 PM | |
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AGAIN ronhartsell WELL SAID.
What can WE do to get the bands attention to encourage them to consider a management(?) change/new direction???
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Friday, April 03, 2009 10:11:49 PM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | I believe to the core of me that Priest have always been victims of shoddy management...time and again, throughout their entire existence, they have been mismanaged, under promoted, sold-out (ie. Reckless/Top Gun), and of course everything you posted...for what good has happend, there could (should) have been so much more!!!
| | | JayDee Jepsen wrote: | | I don't post very many comments but I have to agree with JD D. Judas Preist should have / could have trimmed Nostradamus down to a 1 cd without losing the feel and increasing the intensity of the cd. With downloading, people have short attention spans and aren't in to the 2 hour concept records like those in the '70's. I think if JP would have trimmed the songs and made some quality videos to support them, ie Nostradamus, Alone, etc.(note JP has not made a quality video since Painkiller) then we would have a much better JP masterpiece and sales would be better, but we know all about 20/20 vision.
The fact that JP has been this good and well recieved and chart topping for this long is amazing in and of itself. Many other bands like them are reduced to milking their 2-3 semi hit songs in dive bars around the world while JP still play is huge areas some 35+ years later!
I would be pleasantly surprised if JP made another studio cd but in the mean time; all of us should stop "arm chair quarterbacking" the JP Nostradamus cd or the 29-30 yr aniversery of British Steel and just go out there and rock out with them as much as we can before the FINAL CURTAIN CALL.
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| [ron h] Friday, April 03, 2009 10:11:49 PM | |
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I believe to the core of me that Priest have always been victims of shoddy management...time and again, throughout their entire existence, they have been mismanaged, under promoted, sold-out (ie. Reckless/Top Gun), and of course everything you posted...for what good has happend, there could (should) have been so much more!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JayDee Jepsen from Friday, April 03, 2009 12:27:57 PM)| | | JayDee Jepsen wrote: | | I don't post very many comments but I have to agree with JD D. Judas Preist should have / could have trimmed Nostradamus down to a 1 cd without losing the feel and increasing the intensity of the cd. With downloading, people have short attention spans and aren't in to the 2 hour concept records like those in the '70's. I think if JP would have trimmed the songs and made some quality videos to support them, ie Nostradamus, Alone, etc.(note JP has not made a quality video since Painkiller) then we would have a much better JP masterpiece and sales would be better, but we know all about 20/20 vision.
The fact that JP has been this good and well recieved and chart topping for this long is amazing in and of itself. Many other bands like them are reduced to milking their 2-3 semi hit songs in dive bars around the world while JP still play is huge areas some 35+ years later!
I would be pleasantly surprised if JP made another studio cd but in the mean time; all of us should stop "arm chair quarterbacking" the JP Nostradamus cd or the 29-30 yr aniversery of British Steel and just go out there and rock out with them as much as we can before the FINAL CURTAIN CALL.
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| [tasnam1] Friday, April 03, 2009 9:59:46 PM | |
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JayDee,
I cannot say this enough. Your post is 100% DEAD ON.
i HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR MONTHS and I agree 100% with everything in your post.
PLEASE someone get JayDee's comments to the band.
If these decisions (listed in JayDee's email) were the recommendation of your marketing lady (or man) FIRE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JayDee and I ----- and others ------ feel that these decisions listed in JayDee's email have surpressed the success potential of this album.
PLEASE JP listen to your fans and do the reverse of the mistakes JayDee listed in his comments.
JayDee ------------- we think like one!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JayDee Jepsen from Friday, April 03, 2009 4:43:17 PM)
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Nostradamus has 10x the depth of Turbo! (both Turbo and Ram it Down were throw-away LPs for me. they had some ok songs but the musical effort was missing.
The thing that irks me is Priest talked about how proud they were of the Nostradamus cd(and they should be) however you would never know it by the lack of music video support for their top 2-3 songs including what should have been the title track(Nos.) they spent a ton of time pre-pumping Nostradamus on the net but no video!??, then release "Visions" as the lead single (not Nostradamus??) and no video! Then they put out some half-ass cartoon video of "War' which wasn't even released as single- and non of these nor the other kick-ass songs where ever played on tour.(exception Proffecy).
JP has had a quality outside producer or music video since Painkiller ,some 18 years ago and the results are obvious. If you look at AC/DC, Metalica, Motley Crue etc... they all had good outside producers and quality videos to support their best songs and the results are ......again.....obvious! |
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| [JayDee Jepsen] Friday, April 03, 2009 4:43:17 PM | |
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Nostradamus has 10x the depth of Turbo! (both Turbo and Ram it Down were throw-away LPs for me. they had some ok songs but the musical effort was missing.
The thing that irks me is Priest talked about how proud they were of the Nostradamus cd(and they should be) however you would never know it by the lack of music video support for their top 2-3 songs including what should have been the title track(Nos.) they spent a ton of time pre-pumping Nostradamus on the net but no video!??, then release "Visions" as the lead single (not Nostradamus??) and no video! Then they put out some half-ass cartoon video of "War' which wasn't even released as single- and non of these nor the other kick-ass songs where ever played on tour.(exception Proffecy).
JP has had a quality outside producer or music video since Painkiller ,some 18 years ago and the results are obvious. If you look at AC/DC, Metalica, Motley Crue etc... they all had good outside producers and quality videos to support their best songs and the results are ......again.....obvious! |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, April 03, 2009 3:54:43 PM | |
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Thanks JayDee Jespen,but its hard not to "arm chair quarterback" the Nostradamus CD,but you are right...there has to be a time for each of us to simply "let it go"...but I'm not sure if I'm going to be one of thoses people because I'm still butt hurt and bent over the Turbo album 23 years ago!!! lol!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JayDee Jepsen from Friday, April 03, 2009 12:27:57 PM)| | | JayDee Jepsen wrote: | | I don't post very many comments but I have to agree with JD D. Judas Preist should have / could have trimmed Nostradamus down to a 1 cd without losing the feel and increasing the intensity of the cd. With downloading, people have short attention spans and aren't in to the 2 hour concept records like those in the '70's. I think if JP would have trimmed the songs and made some quality videos to support them, ie Nostradamus, Alone, etc.(note JP has not made a quality video since Painkiller) then we would have a much better JP masterpiece and sales would be better, but we know all about 20/20 vision.
The fact that JP has been this good and well recieved and chart topping for this long is amazing in and of itself. Many other bands like them are reduced to milking their 2-3 semi hit songs in dive bars around the world while JP still play is huge areas some 35+ years later!
I would be pleasantly surprised if JP made another studio cd but in the mean time; all of us should stop "arm chair quarterbacking" the JP Nostradamus cd or the 29-30 yr aniversery of British Steel and just go out there and rock out with them as much as we can before the FINAL CURTAIN CALL.
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I don't post very many comments but I have to agree with JD D. Judas Preist should have / could have trimmed Nostradamus down to a 1 cd without losing the feel and increasing the intensity of the cd. With downloading, people have short attention spans and aren't in to the 2 hour concept records like those in the '70's. I think if JP would have trimmed the songs and made some quality videos to support them, ie Nostradamus, Alone, etc.(note JP has not made a quality video since Painkiller) then we would have a much better JP masterpiece and sales would be better, but we know all about 20/20 vision.
The fact that JP has been this good and well recieved and chart topping for this long is amazing in and of itself. Many other bands like them are reduced to milking their 2-3 semi hit songs in dive bars around the world while JP still play is huge areas some 35+ years later!
I would be pleasantly surprised if JP made another studio cd but in the mean time; all of us should stop "arm chair quarterbacking" the JP Nostradamus cd or the 29-30 yr aniversery of British Steel and just go out there and rock out with them as much as we can before the FINAL CURTAIN CALL.
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:52:18 PM | |
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Does it really hold that many? I didnt know that... Ours here in Winnipeg holds maybe 4500. and the one in MN holds maybe 5000, they are usually smaller places ... which I dont mind.. the sound is usally better.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Bazooka Joe from Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:49:36 PM)| | | Bazooka Joe wrote: | | Smaller venues? You know most amphitheaters are actually pretty big right? The show I might be going to in Toronto is a 16,000 seater.
| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | I dont think they will play that long.. they are playing small venues this time around.. ( amp-theaters ) ect.. I dont thin they will play a full fledged set this around, or at least not as long as the last tour... HOPEFULLY they do.. that would be great.... Iam going to see Ac/DC this summer... if they come here around the same time as priest is supposed to be in MN .. Iam going to see Ac/Dc instead of priest.. I have not gotten the chance to see the Ac/Dc boys live yet..
| | | Bazooka Joe wrote: | | Keep in mind that British Steel is only 35 minutes long. That leaves about another hour and 20 minutes or so for more songs. There's definitly gonna be more then 17 songs.
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| [Bazookajoe_666] Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:49:36 PM | |
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Smaller venues? You know most amphitheaters are actually pretty big right? The show I might be going to in Toronto is a 16,000 seater.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Friday, March 27, 2009 4:49:22 PM)| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | I dont think they will play that long.. they are playing small venues this time around.. ( amp-theaters ) ect.. I dont thin they will play a full fledged set this around, or at least not as long as the last tour... HOPEFULLY they do.. that would be great.... Iam going to see Ac/DC this summer... if they come here around the same time as priest is supposed to be in MN .. Iam going to see Ac/Dc instead of priest.. I have not gotten the chance to see the Ac/Dc boys live yet..
| | | Bazooka Joe wrote: | | Keep in mind that British Steel is only 35 minutes long. That leaves about another hour and 20 minutes or so for more songs. There's definitly gonna be more then 17 songs.
| | | Cobras-Aura wrote: | | | Question is...what will be the remaining songs in the setlist? Of course we will get songs like Electric Eye, Angel, Death, Painkiller, Hell Bent For Leather and You've Got Another Thing Comin' because they are must-play songs. But that still leaves room for another 2-4 songs in the list if they play a setlist of about 17 songs or slightly more. I'm putting my hopes out to One Shot At Glory, All Guns Blazing, Metal Meltdown, Judas Rising, Demonizer or anything else fast and furious from THIS lineup. Maybe even Nostradamus song. |
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