Ultimate JP fantasy? KK Dowing back in the band for May 16th 2011 and beyond. Edited at: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:05:16 AM
[Head banger] Sunday, May 15, 2011 9:16:07 PM
I thought, and I could well be wrong that they owned the catalog after the gull years. they sold the publishing rights but not the usage rights in the subsequent deals. but I could be wrong. I did read once that if they played anything live from the gull years they had to pay gull a royalty [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by \~AuntieB~/ from Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:30:00 PM)
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
Very good point about the record company! Is it still CBS London ? Sony / Epic ? Unless they buy the rights to the "songs" 'don't think own them in that regard. About touring in support of, so enough units get sold, is more like it ; ) At the end, not knowing how the contract reads, writers / artists are still entitled in that regard. And the record company and management are entitled respectively. If I recall, the reason things went south with Gull was the band were naive and believed the only way to get signed by a major was to sign over the rights to their music. Please correct if I am wrong.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
OK, we were just talking and hit upon another thought: what is the record companies take on this? Perhaps KK was all for the album and Epitaph tour and like you said, not on board for subsequent touring. The record company may have said that they had to tour for a certain amount of time after the release of the new album and perhaps do a new tour for it. I don't really know what record companies require from bands, so this is just speculation on our part. But I don't think KK was up for anything past the Epitaph tour and new album. Rob pretty much quit Priest due to the record company believing that they "owned" anything that he penned, so he had to quit Priest in order to be free to do what he wanted. Maybe this has more to do with the record company than anything else? Just another angle to consider....
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
[\~AuntieB~/] Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:30:00 PM
Very good point about the record company! Is it still CBS London ? Sony / Epic ? Unless they buy the rights to the "songs" 'don't think own them in that regard. About touring in support of, so enough units get sold, is more like it ; ) At the end, not knowing how the contract reads, writers / artists are still entitled in that regard. And the record company and management are entitled respectively. If I recall, the reason things went south with Gull was the band were naive and believed the only way to get signed by a major was to sign over the rights to their music. Please correct if I am wrong. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:04:48 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
OK, we were just talking and hit upon another thought: what is the record companies take on this? Perhaps KK was all for the album and Epitaph tour and like you said, not on board for subsequent touring. The record company may have said that they had to tour for a certain amount of time after the release of the new album and perhaps do a new tour for it. I don't really know what record companies require from bands, so this is just speculation on our part. But I don't think KK was up for anything past the Epitaph tour and new album. Rob pretty much quit Priest due to the record company believing that they "owned" anything that he penned, so he had to quit Priest in order to be free to do what he wanted. Maybe this has more to do with the record company than anything else? Just another angle to consider....
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
[\~AuntieB~/] Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:15:52 PM
I cannot say if writing credits would factor in. Ken is intelligent enough to protect intellectual property. With him it would be more the perceived deception (and I know this from previous experience, which I will NOT discuss in this forum). The going behind his back to arrange auditions, etc. The only motive mgmt has in order to keep things moving following Epitaph. The band thinking, he's not onboard to tour after the album is released so we have to get on with it. There was another time in 'Priest history where they transitioned a player in the midst of a tour > album release > tour. He's known by most now as the best thing to happen to JP. Others know him only as Scott Travis. Still, finding out a replacement has been found is the proverbial kick in the gut! I'm sure, after reality sinks in, logic will prevail. They will remain friends. The band plays on. Perhaps a few appearances by Ken at selected venues (shrugs). All speculative, wishful thinking ... but very possible. I'm relatively certain ticket sales began with KK onboard for the entirety of Epitaph! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Sunday, May 15, 2011 5:34:52 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Yes, that totally makes sense to me because he is definitely onboard in this interview. I'm not sure how the album fits in and I guess we won't know until it comes out, whether KK has writing credit and is playing on it or not? It seems like he must have been writing it with Rob and Glenn and now Rob says that the album is almost finished.... I think you are right about KK finding out that they were looking to replace him and that they intended to keep Priest going and maybe he just thought, well if they are going to replace me anyway, why not retire now? Of course, that's just my own ideas swirling around in my head. I don't know if there was a big blow out or not. Everyone in the band that has spoken, including KK, just seems very sad about the entire thing. They appear to still be friends and I really hope that is true.
But the main point here is that many people were claiming that the tickets to the Epitaph tour were sold under false pretenses, with the band knowing that KK had retired but chose to not release that info until April 20th, and this interview PROVES that is NOT THE CASE!
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:14:58 PM
I have seen the posts and you girls have some great ideas, but my fantasies have always revolved around Glenn and Rob I love KK and I would love for him to come back, I just don't know that he will.....
HRMG, unless he's a very good actor...
Have you been to to thread about ultimate JP fantasy? There are some ideas stirring up there how to convince KK to come back... Coem and look for yourself, at the moment it;s on page 2 Maybe you would like to join the "JP rescue group"
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Yes, that totally makes sense to me because he is definitely onboard in this interview. I'm not sure how the album fits in and I guess we won't know until it comes out, whether KK has writing credit and is playing on it or not? It seems like he must have been writing it with Rob and Glenn and now Rob says that the album is almost finished.... I think you are right about KK finding out that they were looking to replace him and that they intended to keep Priest going and maybe he just thought, well if they are going to replace me anyway, why not retire now? Of course, that's just my own ideas swirling around in my head. I don't know if there was a big blow out or not. Everyone in the band that has spoken, including KK, just seems very sad about the entire thing. They appear to still be friends and I really hope that is true.
But the main point here is that many people were claiming that the tickets to the Epitaph tour were sold under false pretenses, with the band knowing that KK had retired but chose to not release that info until April 20th, and this interview PROVES that is NOT THE CASE!
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:04:48 PM
OK, we were just talking and hit upon another thought: what is the record companies take on this? Perhaps KK was all for the album and Epitaph tour and like you said, not on board for subsequent touring. The record company may have said that they had to tour for a certain amount of time after the release of the new album and perhaps do a new tour for it. I don't really know what record companies require from bands, so this is just speculation on our part. But I don't think KK was up for anything past the Epitaph tour and new album. Rob pretty much quit Priest due to the record company believing that they "owned" anything that he penned, so he had to quit Priest in order to be free to do what he wanted. Maybe this has more to do with the record company than anything else? Just another angle to consider....
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
[velvet_liselle] Sunday, May 15, 2011 5:43:24 PM
HRMG, unless he's a very good actor...
Have you been to to thread about ultimate JP fantasy? There are some ideas stirring up there how to convince KK to come back... Coem and look for yourself, at the moment it;s on page 2 Maybe you would like to join the "JP rescue group" [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Sunday, May 15, 2011 5:34:52 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Yes, that totally makes sense to me because he is definitely onboard in this interview. I'm not sure how the album fits in and I guess we won't know until it comes out, whether KK has writing credit and is playing on it or not? It seems like he must have been writing it with Rob and Glenn and now Rob says that the album is almost finished.... I think you are right about KK finding out that they were looking to replace him and that they intended to keep Priest going and maybe he just thought, well if they are going to replace me anyway, why not retire now? Of course, that's just my own ideas swirling around in my head. I don't know if there was a big blow out or not. Everyone in the band that has spoken, including KK, just seems very sad about the entire thing. They appear to still be friends and I really hope that is true.
But the main point here is that many people were claiming that the tickets to the Epitaph tour were sold under false pretenses, with the band knowing that KK had retired but chose to not release that info until April 20th, and this interview PROVES that is NOT THE CASE!
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Sunday, May 15, 2011 5:34:52 PM
Yes, that totally makes sense to me because he is definitely onboard in this interview. I'm not sure how the album fits in and I guess we won't know until it comes out, whether KK has writing credit and is playing on it or not? It seems like he must have been writing it with Rob and Glenn and now Rob says that the album is almost finished.... I think you are right about KK finding out that they were looking to replace him and that they intended to keep Priest going and maybe he just thought, well if they are going to replace me anyway, why not retire now? Of course, that's just my own ideas swirling around in my head. I don't know if there was a big blow out or not. Everyone in the band that has spoken, including KK, just seems very sad about the entire thing. They appear to still be friends and I really hope that is true.
But the main point here is that many people were claiming that the tickets to the Epitaph tour were sold under false pretenses, with the band knowing that KK had retired but chose to not release that info until April 20th, and this interview PROVES that is NOT THE CASE!
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
[guidogodoy] Sunday, May 15, 2011 2:12:49 PM
I see that scenario as more likely than a "massive blowout" between KK / band / management. Much more logical.
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
[\~AuntieB~/] Sunday, May 15, 2011 5:57:18 AM
After watching this video again, methinks, and this is pure speculation, that he'd made his mind up to retire following Epitaph. Likely was not onboard to tour in support of another album. Upon letting the band / mgmt know of this decision wheels were put in motion to look for another axeman to record the new album. Ken didn't know they were looking. Then he found out. IMO he was onboard to record the new album. Just not for subsequent touring. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Monday, May 09, 2011 5:00:27 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I posted this video before but didn't know the date it was from. It is from MARCH 10, 2011!! KK is talking about the upcoming Epitaph tour and is obviously ONBOARD for it!!! So what the hell happened between March 10 and April 20???? Seems to me KK didn't like how the writing of the new album was going and some management decisions, so he decided to leave the band sometime AFTER March 10th. So many of those tickets were not sold under false pretenses as we believed (unless KK isn't telling us here that he had already made up his mind to leave the band).
Edited at: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21:20 PM
[\~AuntieB~/] Sunday, May 15, 2011 5:47:00 AM
Thanks for posting these links. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Eternal Betrayer from Wednesday, May 11, 2011 4:17:17 PM)
Eternal Betrayer wrote:
Something else for those that haven't heard it already - Eddie Trunk (US Rock DJ & personal friend of the band) discusses & gives his opinion on KK's retirement. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChxpPTKRNxA
(Quoting Message by \~AuntieB~/ from Saturday, May 14, 2011 6:37:01 AM)
\~AuntieB~/ wrote:
... and yet the trolls seem to keep getting attention. I think a "one out" is cool. To continuously counter their posts with any acknowledgment is futile, and unnecessary. I don't support most of what they post. Some of it is comic relief, at best.
I have to agree though, watching a chain of exchanges between real member accounts and poser accounts gets to be a bit much.
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[Brian_Evans] Saturday, May 14, 2011 9:13:55 PM
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[Head banger] Saturday, May 14, 2011 6:58:41 PM
I probably shouldnt complain about the managment of the project.... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14:28 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, tell the truth. DF has outgrown us. Superstars don't post here.
As proof of my statement, I give my question to the MM/DF project. Like questions to JP, it went unanswered!
I blame shitty management. By the way, which one's Pink?
Head banger wrote:
This is one of the reasons DF doesnt post here anymore. he cant stand the troll feeding.
[Head banger] Saturday, May 14, 2011 6:45:15 PM
true about trolls on FB. they are way easier to block there
if we could actualy crush these stuid buggers taht would be better [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:56:52 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
As if anywhere else he posts there aren't any trolls. Facebook has tons of trolls.All forums have trolls. Actually Freeze before he left told me to keep nailing these trolls,in a round about way he said we need a designated troll crusher lol!
Head banger wrote:
This is one of the reasons DF doesnt post here anymore. he cant stand the troll feeding.
[spapad] Saturday, May 14, 2011 6:09:57 PM
WTF tour? You really do live in a plastic bubble don't you. This mentality makes me sick.
O.D.RUBY the Troll blower. Just cry and watch those hard lips start puckering. Enjoy WTF tour.
[I'mtellin'you] Saturday, May 14, 2011 5:02:05 PM
O.D.RUBY the Troll blower. Just cry and watch those hard lips start puckering. Enjoy WTF tour.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:56:52 PM
As if anywhere else he posts there aren't any trolls. Facebook has tons of trolls.All forums have trolls. Actually Freeze before he left told me to keep nailing these trolls,in a round about way he said we need a designated troll crusher lol!
This is one of the reasons DF doesnt post here anymore. he cant stand the troll feeding.
[guidogodoy] Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:14:28 PM
Oh, tell the truth. DF has outgrown us. Superstars don't post here.
As proof of my statement, I give my question to the MM/DF project. Like questions to JP, it went unanswered!
I blame shitty management. By the way, which one's Pink?
I love KK and I would love for him to come back, I just don't know that he will.....
Maybe you would like to join the "JP rescue group"
LOL 