Well.....yeah Ron I guess I can see your point........but if they are going to create an experimental album like Turbo,Demolition or Nostradamus........

I wish they would make "2 albums in the studio"...and release them 6 months apart from each other.....that way us rivit headed iron dogs that  crave

heavy metal can get our fix from our favorite band!!!    I just hate it when they do an experimental album because its going to be about a 3 year wait

before the next album comes out and I freaking hate that!   They released Defenders Of The Faith in 1984 and it was 6 years before we all got an

album that was a what I like to call a "normal heavy metal album" from Judas Priest when they released Painkiller in 1990.........................

Then they release "Jugulator" in 1997 and even if some don't like the album it was a heavy metal album in the vien of Painkiiler.......

And then it took them 4 years just to release the experimental "Demolition" album........then Rob comes back and releases "Angel Of Retribution"

and then it takes 3 years just to release the experimental "Nostradamus"?   Thats what bothers me the most.  Judas Priest's next studio album

HAS TO BE one of thier best records ever or else they will not be filling concert seats for very much longer.......thier heavy metal fans want some

traditional classic oldschool blood pumping fist raising screaming heavy metal mayhem just for our forum member and my good friend THE HELLRIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

		ronhartsell wrote:
		But isn't it a testament to Priest that they have created such a variety of music that there's something for everyone??   You know me J.D., I feel just about the same as you do and your opinion of that era and Turbo (and Ram It Down isn't rated much higher IMO). Being that as it is, at least Turbo brings Priest music to an otherwise uninterested fan, who then gets the pleasure of hearing all the other goodies that Priest have to offer      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   LOL! Yeah I know.....but you have to realize the level of hatred I have for "Turbo".(lol!)  You are right what you said....its up for opinion......but I can't help it....like an  O.C.D.(obsession compulsive disorder) I just can't refrain from bashing the Turbo album.  I think also why is that in 1986 they were coming off an album in 1984 title 'Defenders Of The Faith'.......meaning defending the faith of heavy metal's spirit... .....and then they did a 180 turn and dropped everything they were defending and joined the other team...meaning..they sold out to the mid 1980's hair band era style of commercialism............................... And the songs they wrote for Turbo to me were not and still are not "quality Judas Priest songs".    So my opinion is just that..."its my opinion" and I'm not saying that everybody has to agree with me. It is what it is............I wish Turbo never would of been born!     (LOL!) Russian Priest! LOL!!!    (Quoting Message by Russian Priest from Monday, July 13, 2009 3:17:17 PM)   Russian Priest wrote:   Of course, I respect your opinion too... But when someone says the next phrases "How can anybody disagree that "Turbo" is Judas Priest's worst album?" or "Grade this album an "F" for "failure" I cannot pass it by. It sounds like your opinion is only the right one and cannot be wrong. You said it with certainly, that's why I told that you should write "IMO" in your post. Sorry if I wrong...      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   Thats cool Russian Priest.....very good post and I respect your opinion.   Turbo for me is....................well ,lets just leave it at that! LOL Russian Priest! LOL! No worries my friend.....everybody has an opinion. I've seen someone post a while back that they "hated Painkiller" album.....and I've seen a post where  someone hated "Screaming For Vengeance".......I've seen a post where someone couldn't stand "British Steel"....so there are many different opinions in here and there is not one of them that is "wrong" because its up to the individual to decide what they like obviousy as you already know...... Judas Priest are the best band in the world...that is something hopefully that we can all agree on!        Russian Priest wrote:   J.D., I've read this post and cannot agree. I like "Turbo" too much, it's one of the most favourite albums to me. It sounds perfect and has wild energy, always blows my mind away. Yes, there is some glam-rock sources, but it's not a problem for JP - every album they do something special, and do not plagiat from themselves.  Turbo lover - great song with great atmosphere created by good-choosen sound effects, perfect refrain that sends shivers down my spine! Perfect work! Private property - I like this song executing live! Good choice to head-bang "Hands up! Ooo-ooo!" When they played it in Moscow 2005, I think it was the best their perfomance on that show. Rock you all around the world - great fast song! Out in the cold - a masterpiece! Unbelievable song! Great mix of hopelessness, male firmness, unrequited love and coldness that reproduces in every sound, in every note. One of the best priest's songs ever. WIld nights - good riffs, good lyrics ;) perfect refrain to sing together! Real rock-hymn of 80's! And all other songs are also very-very good! Don't understand why you think so, but you should write "IMO" in your post, no doubt. About "Nostradamus": Every time I enjoy this album. I think JP showed us how old-school heavy metal music should develops. They didn't make anything new with song's compositions, it were the same classic riffs, but they did new approach to songs: new arrangements, new ideas, new sounding, new sences, new instruments, new vision... a lot of "new" in old genre. They've opened our eyes to see "Heavy metal has not died and there are too many horizons in our favourite genre". That's why I like this album. My respect to JP for it. Hope in next album they will do big work and we'll see something special again Edited at: Friday, July 10, 2009 10:00:54 AM Edited at: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:16:38 PM

Thats cool Russian Priest.....very good post and I respect your opinion.   Turbo for me is....................well ,lets just leave it at that! LOL Russian Priest! LOL!

No worries my friend.....everybody has an opinion. I've seen someone post a while back that they "hated Painkiller" album.....and I've seen a post where 

someone hated "Screaming For Vengeance".......I've seen a post where someone couldn't stand "British Steel"....so there are many different opinions in here

and there is not one of them that is "wrong" because its up to the individual to decide what they like obviousy as you already know......

Judas Priest are the best band in the world...that is something hopefully that we can all agree on!

		Russian Priest wrote:
		J.D., I've read this post and cannot agree. I like "Turbo" too much, it's one of the most favourite albums to me. It sounds perfect and has wild energy, always blows my mind away. Yes, there is some glam-rock sources, but it's not a problem for JP - every album they do something special, and do not plagiat from themselves.  Turbo lover - great song with great atmosphere created by good-choosen sound effects, perfect refrain that sends shivers down my spine! Perfect work! Private property - I like this song executing live! Good choice to head-bang "Hands up! Ooo-ooo!" When they played it in Moscow 2005, I think it was the best their perfomance on that show. Rock you all around the world - great fast song! Out in the cold - a masterpiece! Unbelievable song! Great mix of hopelessness, male firmness, unrequited love and coldness that reproduces in every sound, in every note. One of the best priest's songs ever. WIld nights - good riffs, good lyrics ;) perfect refrain to sing together! Real rock-hymn of 80's! And all other songs are also very-very good! Don't understand why you think so, but you should write "IMO" in your post, no doubt. About "Nostradamus": Every time I enjoy this album. I think JP showed us how old-school heavy metal music should develops. They didn't make anything new with song's compositions, it were the same classic riffs, but they did new approach to songs: new arrangements, new ideas, new sounding, new sences, new instruments, new vision... a lot of "new" in old genre. They've opened our eyes to see "Heavy metal has not died and there are too many horizons in our favourite genre". That's why I like this album. My respect to JP for it. Hope in next album they will do big work and we'll see something special again Edited at: Friday, July 10, 2009 10:00:54 AM

J.D., I've read this post and cannot agree. I like "Turbo" too much, it's one of the most favourite albums to me. It sounds perfect and has wild energy, always blows my mind away. Yes, there is some glam-rock sources, but it's not a problem for JP - every album they do something special, and do not plagiat from themselves. 

Turbo lover - great song with great atmosphere created by good-choosen sound effects, perfect refrain that sends shivers down my spine! Perfect work!
Private property - I like this song executing live! Good choice to head-bang "Hands up! Ooo-ooo!" When they played it in Moscow 2005, I think it was the best their perfomance on that show.
Rock you all around the world - great fast song!
Out in the cold - a masterpiece! Unbelievable song! Great mix of hopelessness, male firmness, unrequited love and coldness that reproduces in every sound, in every note. One of the best priest's songs ever.
WIld nights - good riffs, good lyrics ;) perfect refrain to sing together! Real rock-hymn of 80's!

And all other songs are also very-very good! Don't understand why you think so, but you should write "IMO" in your post, no doubt.

About "Nostradamus":
Every time I enjoy this album. I think JP showed us how old-school heavy metal music should develops. They didn't make anything new with song's compositions, it were the same classic riffs, but they did new approach to songs: new arrangements, new ideas, new sounding, new sences, new instruments, new vision... a lot of "new" in old genre. They've opened our eyes to see "Heavy metal has not died and there are too many horizons in our favourite genre". That's why I like this album. My respect to JP for it. Hope in next album they will do big work and we'll see something special again

Thats cool Head Banger,like I said...if we all had the same opinion about everything,it would be quite boring.

		Head banger wrote:
		if everyone were like me the world would be perfect.  HA!!! I dont like RR, never have.  its just boring.  that and nost, I dunno, I could give nost another try sometime, RR, nope.  if they re recorded it or played bits live, fine and well.  but, perhaps turbo works for me as I was right in the target audience when it came out, think I was 13 when I got it.  dunno, but I would in a total ranking put in probably close to the middle.  there are a few other discs below it, if I realy think about it.  POE, its all good stuff, but on the disc I dont care for it as much, live is beter.  sounds very restrained on the disc, lacking energy that RR cover is awesome though.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: Wow  Head Banger...Turbo better than "ROCKA ROLLA"?????   Man,the hardest thing for me to do at this website is having to realize that we all have different opinions..... But man,....in my ears Rocka Rolla's song writting and an album as a whole knocks the socks off of Turbo so much I can't begin to post how !! LOL!! And "way" better than Nostradamus...I have to go with Nostradamus....I still believe to me that the songs on Turbo are the very worst of Judas Priest. If there was an album called " The Worst Of Judas Priest" and it had 10 songs on it....7 of them would be from Turbo.lol! What do you call it when a Turbo album is smashed and it still plays afterwards?      .....     "A Shame". LOL Head Banger!!!!! J/K  LOL! But to each his own man,its still cool to see different opinions even if you don't agree with them.If we all had the same thoughts,it would be boring right?    (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:45:31 PM)   Head banger wrote:   dissagreeing with you here.  sure its not the hardest, or the best writen, but its way beter than nost, and beter than Rocka Rolla, which could have been beter, but they just didnt get there.  I actualy like this disc, for what it is, dumb, teen metal.  not their best, but not the worst.  still finds its way into my playlist regularily      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   How can anybody disagree that "Turbo" is Judas Priest's worst album? Man Maple Syrup this album reeks of terrible songwritting."Turbo Lover and Locked In are two of Judas Priest's worst songs they have ever written and in my book is an embarrasment to fans of Judas Priest and the entire heavy metal community. YUK! LOL! "Turbo lover"........."Locked In"..... "Private Property"......."Parental Guidance"....."Rock You All Around The World"......."Out In The Cold"........"Hot For Love"......."Wild Nights"....... These are  "*" of Judas Priest's worst songs ever recorded!!!!!!!!!!!  Grade this album an "F" for   "failure".      Maple Syrup wrote:   Wasnt their worst J.D sorry....This flyer featues: Locked In & TL..1986 MpleSyrp Edited at: Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:44:10 PM Edited at: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 4:42:48 AM

I prefer it to Ram It Down, but it's not one of :Priest's finer moments.

Are you on the Saxon forum? I'm sure I've seen you there! 

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		How can anybody disagree that "Turbo" is Judas Priest's worst album? Man Maple Syrup this album reeks of terrible songwritting."Turbo Lover and Locked In are two of Judas Priest's worst songs they have ever written and in my book is an embarrasment to fans of Judas Priest and the entire heavy metal community. YUK! LOL! "Turbo lover"........."Locked In"..... "Private Property"......."Parental Guidance"....."Rock You All Around The World"......."Out In The Cold"........"Hot For Love"......."Wild Nights"....... These are  "*" of Judas Priest's worst songs ever recorded!!!!!!!!!!!  Grade this album an "F" for   "failure".      Maple Syrup wrote: Wasnt their worst J.D sorry....This flyer featues: Locked In & TL..1986 MpleSyrp Edited at: Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:44:10 PM

I guess Iam suprised in all the albums they have done.. There was so much Hype about this one,, and then the Grammy Nom.. ect... why this album????   In the past years their other albums,  did so much better,and had so much more reconigition.  ect... I was suprised about the Grammy Nom, to begin with...

A few songs I really like off Nostradamus, but overall it is not my Fav Priest Album..

MG~

LOL  ... 

Hey Metalmaz.. how are ya???

		metalmaz wrote:
		One of the most disappointing albums ever in my opinion.  Priest must feel the same. They changed their tune about playing it all live.

Yeah,I know Cobras...Nostradamus is a very well put together album and it does have "some" heavy metal in it,even though I don't consider it a "heavy metal album"..it still has some good tracks,and must be appreciated in its own right.

Maybe I will appreciate this album alot more when Priest releases the next album.

I will keep my faith and trust this band I've loved for so many years. If I did'nt rant and rave about them,I would'nt care,obviously "I do care".

		Cobras-Aura wrote:
		That's the way JD. And although Nostradamus may not have hit as hard as AOR did...the Priest Feast is one of the best tours this band has made, never before have they been so hungry to blow us away with such amazing shows. Plus, as far as Nostradamus album goes...hey at least you can say we got a new bone crunching essential Priest song....Death. Other than that, one of my favourite Priest songs has also come on this record...Visions. I'm sure their next album will be something bone crunching. Nostradamus isn't bad...they gave us something very epic which when listened to from beginning to end...is quite amazing. Now let us see them do a mini Nostradamus tour after the US tour and then back to a true Priest record.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: Ok,I will finaley "have some faith".....you've convinced me after all. And people say that posting your opinions don't matter? Ha Ha,they do. I must find it in me to trust Judas Priest to put out a traditional style album for thier next LP. I will be waiting for the next album hellrider,and yes it makes sense that the band would do something along the lines of a british heavy metal album!      hellrider 31038 wrote: hey J.D DIAMOND THE COMMMMAAANNNNDDDDEEEERRRR would you like us to  RAM IT DOWN RAM IT DOWN RAM THE FAITH IN YOUR HEAD RAM IT DOWN lol just kidding my good friend.i know actactly how you feel because i am very passionate about the priest also.the next one is going to totally RIP OUR FACE OFF MY FRIEND.HELL YEAH.EDENILINE PUMPING,BASHING,SCREAMING HEAVY MEEETTTTT     TTTTAAAALLLL.AND THEY WILL PROBABLY HAVE THE RETRO LOOK TO THAT THEY ARE BRINGING BACK FOR THE CLASSIC BRITISH STEEL.AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHAT A RUSH OF POWER WITH MY STUDDED FIST IN THE AIR      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: Right on man.  I still don't have any "faith" to keep. Since the year 2000....9 years have passed with 3 albums under thier belt ...the experimental and terrible(in my opinion)"Demolition" from 2001.... .....the killer album of true British Heavy Metal in "Angel Of Retribution" from 2005 .....and the again "experimental" album of Nostradamus from 2008......... There is no telling "what" the band will do next.... Thats "one" album in the last 9 years that is a worthy Judas Priest album in my opinion only,I know we all have different opinions here,I'm just giving mine thats all.So to "me" I have no faith in the band returning to it's "roots" here. I want a killer album like Retribution,but I don't have any faith in them delivering one.  How can I?      Bazooka Joe wrote: Hey man Rob said that when (not if), when Priest do a new album it will NOT be like Nostradamus. That was a one time thing and they aren't going to do that again. Keep your faith.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: I have NO FAITH in JUdas Priest anymore.Not after Nostradamus.  I still like Priest but I am tired of thier experimental albums. Saxon to me is the kings of british heavy metal with thier consistancy. Hail SAXON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok,I will finaley "have some faith".....you've convinced me after all. And people say that posting your opinions don't matter? Ha Ha,they do. I must find it in me to trust Judas Priest to put out a traditional style album for thier next LP.

I will be waiting for the next album hellrider,and yes it makes sense that the band would do something along the lines of a british heavy metal album!

		hellrider 31038 wrote:
		hey J.D DIAMOND THE COMMMMAAANNNNDDDDEEEERRRR would you like us to  RAM IT DOWN RAM IT DOWN RAM THE FAITH IN YOUR HEAD RAM IT DOWN lol just kidding my good friend.i know actactly how you feel because i am very passionate about the priest also.the next one is going to totally RIP OUR FACE OFF MY FRIEND.HELL YEAH.EDENILINE PUMPING,BASHING,SCREAMING HEAVY MEEETTTTT     TTTTAAAALLLL.AND THEY WILL PROBABLY HAVE THE RETRO LOOK TO THAT THEY ARE BRINGING BACK FOR THE CLASSIC BRITISH STEEL.AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHAT A RUSH OF POWER WITH MY STUDDED FIST IN THE AIR      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: Right on man.  I still don't have any "faith" to keep. Since the year 2000....9 years have passed with 3 albums under thier belt ...the experimental and terrible(in my opinion)"Demolition" from 2001.... .....the killer album of true British Heavy Metal in "Angel Of Retribution" from 2005 .....and the again "experimental" album of Nostradamus from 2008......... There is no telling "what" the band will do next.... Thats "one" album in the last 9 years that is a worthy Judas Priest album in my opinion only,I know we all have different opinions here,I'm just giving mine thats all.So to "me" I have no faith in the band returning to it's "roots" here. I want a killer album like Retribution,but I don't have any faith in them delivering one.  How can I?      Bazooka Joe wrote: Hey man Rob said that when (not if), when Priest do a new album it will NOT be like Nostradamus. That was a one time thing and they aren't going to do that again. Keep your faith.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: I have NO FAITH in JUdas Priest anymore.Not after Nostradamus.  I still like Priest but I am tired of thier experimental albums. Saxon to me is the kings of british heavy metal with thier consistancy. Hail SAXON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes Vaillant 3.0 ....Judas Priest "scares me" anymore.  At thier age right now,and the Nostradamus album....I think that the band will either "retire" after this tour,or simply put out another album as non-metal-as Nostradamus.

If I am wrong,I will log on here and admit it in front of everybody. But I don't think I'm going to be wrong here,I think with Rob's slow stage movement and with Deep Freeze's posts about how he just does'nt seem to be "into it" anymore...makes me think that the band should just retire after this British Steel set list-tour. 

In my opinion,Nostradamus should of been the time when the band should of pulled everything together and tried to create the best Judas Priest album they could possibly create,like they did with Angel Of Retribution which may not be Priest's best album,but they sure as hell came close...to me its the band's 5th best album. But I just don't see them "returning to thier roots". Thats just my opinion. Call me a pessimist,and I "am" but I  "may" be right here folks.

		Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
		Hey, J.D. Just a bit curious. What really brought you to this conclusion? Are you afraid JP will follow the same road as Metallica? Have there been other bands that also "experimented" and gone astray from the world of Heavy Metal? Is that why you're being distrustful of this band and its ability to return to its metal roots? Enlighten me, because I'm still learning about this genre.    (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:51:31 PM)   J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I have NO FAITH in JUdas Priest anymore.Not after Nostradamus.  I still like Priest but I am tired of thier experimental albums. Saxon to me is the kings of british heavy metal with thier consistancy. Hail SAXON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edited at: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:59:13 PM