Bill Cosby???!?!!? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hate Jello pudding! HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!! Anyway, the point is, Priest have never had to resort to profanity and I think that is noteworthy. The lyrics from most Priest songs are thoughtful, insightful, grand, even provocative, but never profane. I think that says something about Rob and the others. I think it is very meaningful. Unfortunately, when Tim Owens joined the Band, they went for a more "modern" approach and I think it hurt them far more than helped. Even the music itself was not Priest-like, to me. Not as melodic. Very crunchy and raw. 

   (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:18:24 PM)

		ronhartsell wrote:
		OK Bill Cosby... Just teasing you Deep Freeze... There aren't too many Metal bands out there that don't curse...but that is something that has never crossed my mind when listening to Priest...they don't have to curse to bring the house down...excellent point DF...      Deep Freeze wrote:   Yes, welcome indeed Chopper! Well 'Child, I must say that one of the very best things about Priest music is that there is no profanity. Apart from the "Ripper" years, Priest simply takes the "high road" when it comes to song writing and I applaud them for it. Such a needless, mindless way to communicate! It is bad enough that one chooses to use obscene language as a means of expression but when a "song writer" has to use it for posterity I find it appalling. Unfortunately, that is  the way it is with most of today's "music". It seems that the only way they can write a song is if it has a  profanity laced verse or ten in it. So sad. So lame. disgusting.      devils_child wrote:    I'm feelin' for you Freeze....listening to that tripe.  If it was me i would have flung that CD out the window ages ago, then claimed to know nothing about its whereabouts.  But i guess when your married you gotta make sacrifices. HA!  Ah yes, let's put profanity in our music so it appeals to all the disenchanted youth. So lame. I hope to God that the kids hearing that stuff don't think its acceptable to talk to a woman... in fact anyone like that. It's terrible.      Deep Freeze wrote:   HA!!!!!!!!!! Exactly! I guess I use Kid Rock as an example because the Princess recently bought his "new" CD and plays it constantly. She thinks it is just great. Well, I have had the unfortunate opportunity to hear many of the tracks and it is really sad. He steals music from past artists and writes nonsense and people buy it up. There is one track where he decalres to an ex-girlfriend that she has made a terrible mistake in hurting him because he is a "song writer" and he is going to "get" her with his "music".  The track then becomes some half-assed country-like tune with an enormous amount of babble. Nothing substantial to it at all. I guess it all comes down to selling albums. I have noticed that he declares this very thing in MANY of his "songs". He is GREAT because he SELLS albums, followed by a barage of profanity that apparently proves he is "cool" and an "artist".      devils_child wrote:   LMFAO.... Kid Rock... I hear you on all of what you just posted there. Now there's no wondering why this 20 year old chick listens to music that was made before she was born... Because look at the modern alternatives. The only stuff that i have taken any intrest in is *surprise* Modern British Rock music... that's because they write and actually perform their own stuff.  And i can't take anymore of this "remixing" and "sampling" of older tracks which as you said new "artists" re-package as their own. It has nothing to do with paying tribute to the original writers, but more or less them just trying to make a buck of someone elses hard work.      Deep Freeze wrote:   I think you have "hit the nail on the head", as it were. Judas Priest remain relevant after almost 40 years of making music in a genre that has been declared countless times AND does not enjoy nearly the following it did during its "heyday". Music today is very limited. There are many very talented musicians but there are far more "entertainers". Unfortunately, most of the latter try to portray themselves as "musicians" or "writers", all very disingenuously I might add. I hate to pound on one guy but, take Kid Rock as an example. He claims, quite boisterously, to be a "song writer". Somehow, he believes that if he records or plays someone else's written music, changes a stanza and then  "writes" a few lyrics, he is a "musician". This seems to be the way many of the more popular entertainers think. The art of actual song writing is lost. Not by all, mind you! there are still many very talented writers! Bands like Priest are who they are because they are truly talented. I am not saying that it takes NO talent to copy someone else's work and make millions selling it as your own. Far from it. I think it is incredibly bright of a guy with VERY limited talent to take advantage of a buying public that simply has NO clue.

Hello everyone,new member,first post,love the priest,favourite all time band hands down!!!!Turbo was a bit of a shock to me with the new sound and all.it took some time to get into some songs,turbo,reckless and out in the cold get played from time to time with proper amperage, the rest rarely.the turbo tour opened with out in the cold rob wearing a 3 quarter flashy leather coat,hips swaying and not looking like the metal god he is!the show kicked ass just the same.i guess turbo was priest trying something new and a more commercialized,glad that phase is over. time to go and blast some classic priest!  peace.

Amen to that! I don't hate it either, but it doesn't leave the CD rack too often. I just feel it's too generic.  Myself am a huge fan of the 70's era Priest albums... I love the 80's, and i think lots would say that was when they were in their prime, but i just can't get past Sad Wings, Sin After Sin, Stained Class and Hell Bent... I think they were the golden years! 
I have heard a few people knock British Steel for being too commercial and mainstream... what do you think? 

Oh and i love Nostradamus... i will not knock that. It's JP going out of their main formula to make something unique and it definately does not dissapoint this here fan.

		Deep Freeze wrote:
		Well 'Child, you may very well be right. Perhaps it was a "sell out". I was not with the Band and I cannot speak for them and their intentions but I will say this; it is really not uncommon for a band to do a song or an album which reflects the musical atmosphere of that time period. Most great bands have done this. I recall Queen doing a "punk" song on News of the World. This was their professional "wink" at the genre and its popularity. It did not make me dislike them at all. In fact, when a band is capable of writing outside of their comfort zone and still find that they are able to remain relevant, I find that it speaks to the ability that band really has. Moreover, I do not believe the Band was in any danger of going "broke" and did Turbo as a way to pay a past due mortgage or two! All in all, I do not "hate" Turbo. It certainly is not my favorite but I do not hate it, It may not be "classic" Priest, but it is OK. Look at all the buzz surrounding Nostradamus. It does not mean the Band has lost a step or that they are losing anything musically. It is just another part of a larger creation that is Judas Priest,      devils_child wrote: LMFAO!!  I reckon.... Turbo hardly leaves the CD rack let alone the house. Sorry but it's too weak  - it was THE sell out album.. I can see why alot of people stopped listening to them at this (album) point... It's so flat, dull, unintelligent.. The lyrics are so simple... I think the guys got lazy or something when writting for this album. Even Robs singing lacks any real energy... where's the screams???? and the low pitched singing??? 'Turbo lover' he sings on one note for most of it. There's nothing epic about this album.  And those of you who got into Priest through this album... please tell me what other bands were you listening to at this point... seriously i'm intrested to know. Because this album does not represent was Priest was about for the 10+ years prior - This album was made clearly to sell to the audience that their music should never have appealed to and never had until Turbo. Basically in two words.... Sell Out. I will add that, yes i do appreciate Turbo's place in history, but it's certainly not one i play often.      ronhartsell wrote: Hey there Scorpion, how ya been?......I have to laugh with you 'cause I feel the same way...they just totally missed the mark with me on those two songs...NEVER EVER could I be caught jamming in the car at a red light with that on full blast!!......I love these guys as much as any fan could, and Turbo has it's place in Priest history...but the CD never leaves the house      scorpion01 wrote: I WAS LISTENING TO TURBO AGAIN TODAY. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE THINKING AND WHERE THEY WERE COMING FROM WHEN THEY PUT "PRIVATE PROPERTY" AND "PARENTAL GUIDACE" ON THE ALBUM. THEY ARE PROBABLY TWO OF THE THREE PREIST SONGS I CAN DO WITHOUT. "ON THE RUN BEING THE OTHER". REPLACE THOSE TWO SONGS WITH 2 OTHER SOLD SONGS AND I THINK TURBO IS A STRONG ALBUM.