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[Deep Freeze] Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:01:12 PM 
HA!!!!!!!!!! No worries, Bud! You just write what you like to write and I will help you when you ask!!!! No points off for trying!!!!!!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:44:29 PM)
[Budred] Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:44:29 PM 
Wow, is it O.K. to start with a wow, then a comma? I'm afraid to write here.
I know I'm not proper and pretty sure I sound like an idiot in some of my posts.
I know nothing about how to write, I just put down what sounds good.
Let the critique begin.(LOL)
[_strat_] Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:16:46 PM 
Well, I understand that. I cant stand them either - living next door to a kindergarden does that to you.

I have to go now, its pretty late here... Thanks for the help and goodnight!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:15:07 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:15:07 PM 
HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!  ME?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??? No way, man! I do NOT have the patience!!! Not to mention I can't stand kids!! HAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:13:41 PM)
[_strat_] Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:13:41 PM 
Ever considered becoming a teacher?
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:12:02 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:12:02 PM 
Yes!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:08:47 PM)
[_strat_] Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:08:47 PM 
Good, good - I just checked it again, and there are no "though" or "although"s in it.

So basicaly, my previous post was wrong. I guess so. Although. I should have used "though" since I was contrasting the previous sentence... Right?
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:03:21 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:03:21 PM 
Ah!!! I love it!! OK, here goes:

The use of though and although are quite often interchangable. "Though" is considered less formal, however, it can also be used as an adverb to say that the information in the clause is in direct contrast to the information in the previous sentence. "Although" cannot be used in this manner. These words are most often used to explain that there is an unexpected contrast in what happens in the main clause and the adverbial clause.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:53:16 PM)
[_strat_] Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:53:16 PM 
Weeeeell... I guess so. Although (and theres another question although or though - which is proper, or are both proper?) I must say that there are members here who dont write properly all of the time, but arent stupid assholes.

Thanks for the reasurrance tho - I had to post a somewhat formal E-Mail in English, and when I checked it (after sending it, of course, thats just me), I found out about this.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:39:34 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:39:34 PM 
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now hold on there, young man!!! There ARE rules! Nothing is really ever "set in stone" but one should always strive to be as accurate and "comprehensive" as one possibly can when one is writing, especially in a forum such as this! Afterall, this is your communication vehicle and the way you write says a lot about you! I should think you would want to be as proper as one can be! Don't forget.... I am watching you! HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:35:44 PM)
[_strat_] Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:35:44 PM 
That was very... Comprehensive. Lol. 

So, if I got it right, its not set in stone, and you can basicaly just do how you feel is right. Which is how Ive always been doing it.

Thanks!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:29:42 PM)
[jimmyjames] Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:31:02 PM 
Whewee? What the hell does that mean?
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Nicky007 from Saturday, March 13, 2010 4:33:46 AM)
[Deep Freeze] Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:29:42 PM 
Oh it is SO good to have you back!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
The use of a comma with a conjunction is fine when one is connecting two independent clauses ( He sang well, but he often got tired.) Some writers believe that the coordinating conjunction has adequate seperation and will leave the comma out in short, balanced independent clauses. My rule has always been to simply use the comma when in doubt!

More often, a mistake is made when one puts a comma after a coordinating conjunction. Now, that does not mean that it is ALWAYS wrong but it is rare that you would need a comma after a coordinating conjunction. Of course, when speaking we often pause after the little conjunction but there is rarely a need for a comma there when writing.  How's that?
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:18:58 PM)
[_strat_] Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:18:58 PM 
Ive got a question on a certain part of writing in the English language here, regarding the use of the comma.

Now, IDK - I might have been doing it wrong the whole time, because Ive been following the rule that we were taught at Slovene language classes in school, which is that you can never put a comma before or after "and" when writing in Slovene. For example: "I went into the shop, and saw the Nostradamus CD" - if I translated that sentence into Slovene, I would have to ommit the comma, because of that rule.

Now, does English have this rule? I know that in some cases there is no comma, like when you list stuff: "this, that and something else" - no comma. But what about other cases? Are there times when you can put a comma near "and"?
[Nicky007] Saturday, March 13, 2010 4:33:46 AM 
Wow !!! I pursued the re- thingy and was surprised to find 21 re- words meaning

cancel    annul    give up    withdraw (from)


These 21 words are:

revoke    recall    repeal    reverse    rescind    recant    renege    reject    retract    retreat    retire

renounce    remove    recede    remand    relinquish    resign    repudiate    refuse    release    remit


Naturally, with so many words within such a narrow span of meaning, there's a lot of overlapping, and their distinctions then lie in their usage.

I knew that the English language is rich, but this sure astonished me.


Actually, guys, I find a language thread quite in place on a Priest board, as the Priest guys are obviously well-read and profound.

Try listen to Nostra again and immerse yourself in the lyrics, and let yourself be taken by the depth of feeling, richness of metaphors, symbolism, references to classics etc.

Whewee, I say

Nicky. Edited at: Saturday, March 13, 2010 4:34:28 AM Edited at: Saturday, March 13, 2010 4:35:45 AM
Edited at: Saturday, March 13, 2010 4:53:25 AM
[Nicky007] Friday, March 05, 2010 9:18:53 AM 
Thanx for the kind words, Mike

I do esteem academic education and scholarliness, and I do believe that you worked hard and earned your degrees.

I just disapprove of people using their status and degrees to push their opinions, beliefs, and "truths".

I'v been real busy this week participating in a course for teachers. It'll continue till end of March. This week's been super, I'v learned a tremendous amount, tried out stuff I'd never do anywhere else (all fully dressed ), and all the teachers and fellow pupils are great in each their way. But man, are we tired at the end of the day  

I'l get back to you guys with some more language stuff during the weekend.

Till then:

But before that:  Demolition, Turbo and other goodies

Nicky.
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[Deep Freeze] Saturday, February 27, 2010 7:18:12 AM 
OK man, I can get onboard with that. Please keep in mind that I am truly "having fun" when I am breaking down writing and speech. It's what I do. There is no malice intended. Having said this, there is something that occurs to me which I feel calls for some expansion;

I see that you have responded to Guido regarding education, travel and basic all-around "worldliness". It is interesting that there are many who find travel to be so educational. At worst, the exposure to other social environments is certainly a lesson in and of itself. Nonetheless, I am fiercely proud of my formal education. It was not somethng that was just "handed" to me. I earned my degrees. I put in the time and effort and THAT is an achievement. 

While I am well acquainted with people that have an above-average intelligence and capability, I stand by formal education with tremendous fervor. With all a person can learn in life, there is still something to be said for staying in school, working hard and earning a degree. I refuse to look upon this achievement as just "something I did". While it is possible to be as well-read in some areas and use of a dictionary is wonderful, even vital, to properly expressing a point of grammar or speech, a formal education allows one to understand the disciplines of their chosen area of study. The theory. The origin. There is also the correct use of context and that all too misunderstood structure. All things that you will NOT find in a dictionary or "Google".

I was under the assumption that you created this Thread as a means of discussing language in all its facets. I do not believe one is necessarily being fastidious when one insists upon proper usage and context in a LANGUAGE Thread. All of this being said, I appreciate that you truly are above average. You seem to have a grasp of language that one would expect from a more formally educated person and that is something in which you can take pride. However, when you decide to argue points of fact, especially regarding word usage and context,  please remember that not everything is available online.

Now then, ON WITH THE PUMMELING!!!   HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 





  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Nicky007 from Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:45:41 AM)
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[Budred] Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:19:13 AM 
 It's brutally heavy and sonically overpowering to the senses but it's not barbaric. Quite a wondrous noise actually.   [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Nicky007 from Saturday, February 27, 2010 4:42:35 AM)
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[Nicky007] Saturday, February 27, 2010 4:42:35 AM 
Now let's take the adjectives barbarian, barbaric, and barbarous. They have different meanings.

I'l quote from Dictionary.com again, simply cause it has the best explanation that I'v seen:

Barbarian, barbaric, barbarous pertain to uncivilized people.  Barbarian is the general word for anything uncivilized: a barbarian tribe.  Barbaric has both unfavorable and mildly favorable connotations, implying crudeness of taste or practice, or conveying an idea of rude magnificence and splendor: barbaric noise.  Barbarous emphasizes the inhumanity and cruelty of barbarian life: barbarous customs.


Now tell me, guys:  Is the music of Judas Priest barbaric noise ?

And of course the last test question in my original thread was a prank  

Nicky.
Edited at: Saturday, February 27, 2010 4:43:11 AM
[Nicky007] Saturday, February 27, 2010 4:23:48 AM 
OK, Guido, you'r sharp but factual. So let me respond:

You might know better than I, but I thought it was optional to put a comma before "and" in English. I put one there cause "grammar" and "punctuation" are not more related to each other than they are to "structure" and "spelling". If you disagree, I'd like you to find some documentation for your position.

People who know me well know that I'm both serious and humorous.

I'd be happy to see an example of where I'm wrong and have not acknowledged it.

The reason I quote dictionaries, especially Dictionary.com, is that I consider their definitions and explanations more apprehensible than my own explanations. It's as simple as that. Why should I try to explain something in my own words here when the dictionaries do it better ?

Yes, I do read what I write, for the simple reason that I know I'm not yet fluent enough to write things perfectly at first attempt.

Numbering points can add to clarity. I don't care if people consider me fastidious; I wanna be understood properly.

As I have already said, I don't care about status and degrees. If I consider that I know something better than my discussion partner, I take the liberty to express my opinion.

Travel experience I have quite a lot of. I'm born in Birmingham, England (famous for a great metal band) and lived there for 5 years. My Dad is from South Dakota, and my Mom from Silesia. When I was 5 y/o we moved to Copenhagen. So I grew up with 3 languages. I lived 2 years in the States, went to school in Boston and Princeton, and crossed the continent twice by car. I'v also been in Canada, and about twenty European countries. My Dad and sis live on Long island, my bro in Paris, and I have family and friends all over the world. So I'm pretty international.

And basically I can hear all the music I want. I have 1300 carefully selected cd's in my collection, an excellent selection at the Main Library in Copenhagen (altho I miss a few albums there), and I can find all the rest on MySpace and YouTube.

Nicky.   [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, February 26, 2010 10:57:59 AM)
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