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Well I like Angel because it reminds me of "Dreamer Deciever" off of Sad Wings Of Destiny,but I'm not usually a fan of these ballads,Dreamer Deciever,Last Rose Of Summer and Angel are the only balladish tracks I even like by Priest,so thats why I like Angel. Worth Fighting For I also like because although I don't care for "Take These Chains"...the track reminds me of a cross between Take These Chains and Desert Plains,and I love "Desert Plains" and I like the music to Take These Chains so I really do like "Worth Fighting For" and I think its far from a crap song,to me its better than ANYTHING Soundgarden has "EVER DONE" . So opinions do vary. Lochness...blah...I'll give you that one because I can't stand it.
I understand that you simply don't care for Angel Of Retribution as these 3 songs let the album down.To me its like Screaming For Vengeance as "Take These Chains" and "Fever" let the rest of the album down. Kinda like "Rock Hard,Ride Free and Night Comes Down lets Defenders Of The Faith down for me. And Painkiller,I never really cared for Hell Patrol and One Shot At Glory,as they kinda don't have the same killer quality than the rest of the songs. So I guess almost every album has a track or two that is not of greater quality. I definately can respect your dislike for the album as a whole. And no different than I not liking Nostradamus while Jackylone thinks otherwise...its all our personal opinions.I'm just glad that it turned out that I like and enjoy all 9 songs in a row one right after the other on Angel Of Retribution,again I can't stand the 10th track "Lochness"...that should of been on Nostradamus!! LOL!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Friday, November 27, 2009 7:12:33 PM)| |  | jimmyjames wrote: | | For the second time guys, I didn't say the album was weak. I said it had some weak tracks. Angel, Worth Fighting For and Lochness. To me those songs are lamo. Just an opinion. To me they let the rest of the album down. Have to agree with you about the "songs" on Nos as well JD, especially that fuckin song where he starts singing in Italian. Crap. Next year marks the 20th anniversary of the release of Priests last classic album.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | JT wrote:AOR is not a weak album and i won't say that's opinion i would say that is fact ,If it (Angel Of Retribution) had been released after Defenders, everyone would have been like, WOAH AWESOME! But because it follows Painkiller, it can't possibly live up to old Priest standards even though Painkiller is considered better than anything in their entire catalogue by many.
I absolutely agree with you and this post 100% JT,100%. People may not like A.O.R. but is is far from "weak". And "weak" can be traslated as "soft" sometimes and like I said to me,what my ears hear is that Defenders Of The Faith although I LOVE the album I find it "softer" than Angel Of Retribution. The Drums alone on Defenders I think are much more softer than Scotts on Retribution.And not only that,but I feel that there is more "power" on Retribution because on Defenders yes we have Freewheel Burning but again the drums on that album make these tracks much softer,but on Retribution the power and dynamics on Judas Rising and especially Demonizer and Hellrider...those 3 tracks are tons heavier than Freewheel Burning and Heavy Duty to my ears,even Wheels Of Fire and Deal With The Devil seem to have more punch than Jawbreaker and The Sentinel even though I love those songs.
But thats just all one persons opinion(mine) as I don't expect everyone to like Angel Of Retribution,but to say it is "weak" is absolutely ridiculous because if it is "weak" then what does that make Defenders? Or for that matter,what does that make British Steel,Hell Bent For Leather,Stained Class,Sin After Sin and Sad Wings Of Destiny? Are they all "weak" because they don't have a "Painkiller" sound? And to tell you the truth,I really don't believe the band are capable at this age to create another album as strong as "Painkiller". They are 60 years old,not 40 and times do change.If the band decides to make another traditional heavy metal album I think we will get an album that is in the realm of material like Angel Of Retribution,Defenders Of The Faith and Screaming For Vengeance,I really do.I think an album as strong as Painkiller is out of reach at this point,so we should be happy if they deliver us something traditional.
Jimmy James wrote:The reason people are disappointed with Nostradamus, I think, is because of the stupid subject matter.
Absolutely "untrue" jimmy. I "liked" the subject matter and I think the Nostradamus concept subject and matter was brilliant,its the fucking "songs" I hate!!!! So I strongly disagree with you on that for shizzle!!!! LOL!
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(Quoting Message by JT_Small_Deadly_Space from Friday, November 27, 2009 7:07:28 AM)
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AOR is not a weak album and i won't say that's opinion i would say that is fact. If it's not what you were expecting and for that reason you don't like it then fair enough i can accept that but it's not weak at all. If it had been released after Defenders, everyone would have been like, WOAH AWESOME! But because it follows Painkiller, it can't possibly live up to old Priest standards even though Painkiller is considered better than anything in their entire catalogue by many. Don't you see, Priest can't really churn out what they used to do beacause in todays market unfortunately, it wouldn't survive. Metal has reached new heights and as a result the bands have suffered, they will still receive a massive reception live but that's because people respect them for the hits that they had back in the day.
When bands like Sabbath, Priest, Motorhead, Saxon AC/DC, Deep Purple etc release an album now, they aren't going to get the same reaction that they got back in their high days of glory, it doesn't work like that. Plus Priest did try to go back to classic heavy such as Defenders with Ram it Down and as much as i think it worked, many were very disapointed and that's because the world had moved on and wasn't wanting it anymore. Painkiller was so successful because it showed a classic band that could be as heavy and aggressive as any thrash or metal band of the time.
AOR is a hybrid album resulting from fans demanding classic Priest and Heavy Priest. That's exactly what Priest gave but that just leaves the fans that want something different, enter Nostradamus. They covered everyone within those 2 albums and yet there are still disapointed fans. AOR is a modern metal masterpiece and i would say it is easily one of their best. Painkiller beats it on heavyness, but AOR beats Painkiller musically by far. When Priest write songs with layers, it works. When they right songs that are just heavy, it works but i know which one i prefer, even for a heavy metal band. That is why i love AOR and i would happily accept another album of the same standard if not better from them. |
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| [hellrider 31038] Saturday, November 28, 2009 12:44:46 PM | |
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| so has anyone heard the new RUSH OF POWER HALFORD METAL MASTERPIECE single on the radio.interested to hear |
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| [jimmyjames] Friday, November 27, 2009 7:12:33 PM | |
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For the second time guys, I didn't say the album was weak. I said it had some weak tracks. Angel, Worth Fighting For and Lochness. To me those songs are lamo. Just an opinion. To me they let the rest of the album down. Have to agree with you about the "songs" on Nos as well JD, especially that fuckin song where he starts singing in Italian. Crap. Next year marks the 20th anniversary of the release of Priests last classic album.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, November 27, 2009 3:54:00 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | JT wrote:AOR is not a weak album and i won't say that's opinion i would say that is fact ,If it (Angel Of Retribution) had been released after Defenders, everyone would have been like, WOAH AWESOME! But because it follows Painkiller, it can't possibly live up to old Priest standards even though Painkiller is considered better than anything in their entire catalogue by many.
I absolutely agree with you and this post 100% JT,100%. People may not like A.O.R. but is is far from "weak". And "weak" can be traslated as "soft" sometimes and like I said to me,what my ears hear is that Defenders Of The Faith although I LOVE the album I find it "softer" than Angel Of Retribution. The Drums alone on Defenders I think are much more softer than Scotts on Retribution.And not only that,but I feel that there is more "power" on Retribution because on Defenders yes we have Freewheel Burning but again the drums on that album make these tracks much softer,but on Retribution the power and dynamics on Judas Rising and especially Demonizer and Hellrider...those 3 tracks are tons heavier than Freewheel Burning and Heavy Duty to my ears,even Wheels Of Fire and Deal With The Devil seem to have more punch than Jawbreaker and The Sentinel even though I love those songs.
But thats just all one persons opinion(mine) as I don't expect everyone to like Angel Of Retribution,but to say it is "weak" is absolutely ridiculous because if it is "weak" then what does that make Defenders? Or for that matter,what does that make British Steel,Hell Bent For Leather,Stained Class,Sin After Sin and Sad Wings Of Destiny? Are they all "weak" because they don't have a "Painkiller" sound? And to tell you the truth,I really don't believe the band are capable at this age to create another album as strong as "Painkiller". They are 60 years old,not 40 and times do change.If the band decides to make another traditional heavy metal album I think we will get an album that is in the realm of material like Angel Of Retribution,Defenders Of The Faith and Screaming For Vengeance,I really do.I think an album as strong as Painkiller is out of reach at this point,so we should be happy if they deliver us something traditional.
Jimmy James wrote:The reason people are disappointed with Nostradamus, I think, is because of the stupid subject matter.
Absolutely "untrue" jimmy. I "liked" the subject matter and I think the Nostradamus concept subject and matter was brilliant,its the fucking "songs" I hate!!!! So I strongly disagree with you on that for shizzle!!!! LOL!
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(Quoting Message by JT_Small_Deadly_Space from Friday, November 27, 2009 7:07:28 AM)
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AOR is not a weak album and i won't say that's opinion i would say that is fact. If it's not what you were expecting and for that reason you don't like it then fair enough i can accept that but it's not weak at all. If it had been released after Defenders, everyone would have been like, WOAH AWESOME! But because it follows Painkiller, it can't possibly live up to old Priest standards even though Painkiller is considered better than anything in their entire catalogue by many. Don't you see, Priest can't really churn out what they used to do beacause in todays market unfortunately, it wouldn't survive. Metal has reached new heights and as a result the bands have suffered, they will still receive a massive reception live but that's because people respect them for the hits that they had back in the day.
When bands like Sabbath, Priest, Motorhead, Saxon AC/DC, Deep Purple etc release an album now, they aren't going to get the same reaction that they got back in their high days of glory, it doesn't work like that. Plus Priest did try to go back to classic heavy such as Defenders with Ram it Down and as much as i think it worked, many were very disapointed and that's because the world had moved on and wasn't wanting it anymore. Painkiller was so successful because it showed a classic band that could be as heavy and aggressive as any thrash or metal band of the time.
AOR is a hybrid album resulting from fans demanding classic Priest and Heavy Priest. That's exactly what Priest gave but that just leaves the fans that want something different, enter Nostradamus. They covered everyone within those 2 albums and yet there are still disapointed fans. AOR is a modern metal masterpiece and i would say it is easily one of their best. Painkiller beats it on heavyness, but AOR beats Painkiller musically by far. When Priest write songs with layers, it works. When they right songs that are just heavy, it works but i know which one i prefer, even for a heavy metal band. That is why i love AOR and i would happily accept another album of the same standard if not better from them. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, November 27, 2009 3:54:00 PM | |
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JT wrote:AOR is not a weak album and i won't say that's opinion i would say that is fact ,If it (Angel Of Retribution) had been released after Defenders, everyone would have been like, WOAH AWESOME! But because it follows Painkiller, it can't possibly live up to old Priest standards even though Painkiller is considered better than anything in their entire catalogue by many.
I absolutely agree with you and this post 100% JT,100%. People may not like A.O.R. but is is far from "weak". And "weak" can be traslated as "soft" sometimes and like I said to me,what my ears hear is that Defenders Of The Faith although I LOVE the album I find it "softer" than Angel Of Retribution. The Drums alone on Defenders I think are much more softer than Scotts on Retribution.And not only that,but I feel that there is more "power" on Retribution because on Defenders yes we have Freewheel Burning but again the drums on that album make these tracks much softer,but on Retribution the power and dynamics on Judas Rising and especially Demonizer and Hellrider...those 3 tracks are tons heavier than Freewheel Burning and Heavy Duty to my ears,even Wheels Of Fire and Deal With The Devil seem to have more punch than Jawbreaker and The Sentinel even though I love those songs.
But thats just all one persons opinion(mine) as I don't expect everyone to like Angel Of Retribution,but to say it is "weak" is absolutely ridiculous because if it is "weak" then what does that make Defenders? Or for that matter,what does that make British Steel,Hell Bent For Leather,Stained Class,Sin After Sin and Sad Wings Of Destiny? Are they all "weak" because they don't have a "Painkiller" sound? And to tell you the truth,I really don't believe the band are capable at this age to create another album as strong as "Painkiller". They are 60 years old,not 40 and times do change.If the band decides to make another traditional heavy metal album I think we will get an album that is in the realm of material like Angel Of Retribution,Defenders Of The Faith and Screaming For Vengeance,I really do.I think an album as strong as Painkiller is out of reach at this point,so we should be happy if they deliver us something traditional.
Jimmy James wrote:The reason people are disappointed with Nostradamus, I think, is because of the stupid subject matter.
Absolutely "untrue" jimmy. I "liked" the subject matter and I think the Nostradamus concept subject and matter was brilliant,its the fucking "songs" I hate!!!! So I strongly disagree with you on that for shizzle!!!! LOL!
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AOR is not a weak album and i won't say that's opinion i would say that is fact. If it's not what you were expecting and for that reason you don't like it then fair enough i can accept that but it's not weak at all. If it had been released after Defenders, everyone would have been like, WOAH AWESOME! But because it follows Painkiller, it can't possibly live up to old Priest standards even though Painkiller is considered better than anything in their entire catalogue by many. Don't you see, Priest can't really churn out what they used to do beacause in todays market unfortunately, it wouldn't survive. Metal has reached new heights and as a result the bands have suffered, they will still receive a massive reception live but that's because people respect them for the hits that they had back in the day.
When bands like Sabbath, Priest, Motorhead, Saxon AC/DC, Deep Purple etc release an album now, they aren't going to get the same reaction that they got back in their high days of glory, it doesn't work like that. Plus Priest did try to go back to classic heavy such as Defenders with Ram it Down and as much as i think it worked, many were very disapointed and that's because the world had moved on and wasn't wanting it anymore. Painkiller was so successful because it showed a classic band that could be as heavy and aggressive as any thrash or metal band of the time.
AOR is a hybrid album resulting from fans demanding classic Priest and Heavy Priest. That's exactly what Priest gave but that just leaves the fans that want something different, enter Nostradamus. They covered everyone within those 2 albums and yet there are still disapointed fans. AOR is a modern metal masterpiece and i would say it is easily one of their best. Painkiller beats it on heavyness, but AOR beats Painkiller musically by far. When Priest write songs with layers, it works. When they right songs that are just heavy, it works but i know which one i prefer, even for a heavy metal band. That is why i love AOR and i would happily accept another album of the same standard if not better from them. |
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| [jimmyjames] Friday, November 27, 2009 1:28:28 PM | |
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I didn't say AOR was weak, I said the album was ok. There are some weak songs, some average songs and one outstanding song. As far as an overall rating I would give it 6/10. The reason people are disappointed with Nostradamus, I think, is because of the stupid subject matter. No-one really gives a toss about Nostradamus. Except maybe the kind of geeks that read Dan Brown books. Painkiller is a classic all time heavy metal album, so are British Steel, and SFV. Unfortunately AOR is not.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JT_Small_Deadly_Space from Friday, November 27, 2009 7:07:28 AM)| | | JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote: | | AOR is not a weak album and i won't say that's opinion i would say that is fact. If it's not what you were expecting and for that reason you don't like it then fair enough i can accept that but it's not weak at all. If it had been released after Defenders, everyone would have been like, WOAH AWESOME! But because it follows Painkiller, it can't possibly live up to old Priest standards even though Painkiller is considered better than anything in their entire catalogue by many. Don't you see, Priest can't really churn out what they used to do beacause in todays market unfortunately, it wouldn't survive. Metal has reached new heights and as a result the bands have suffered, they will still receive a massive reception live but that's because people respect them for the hits that they had back in the day.
When bands like Sabbath, Priest, Motorhead, Saxon AC/DC, Deep Purple etc release an album now, they aren't going to get the same reaction that they got back in their high days of glory, it doesn't work like that. Plus Priest did try to go back to classic heavy such as Defenders with Ram it Down and as much as i think it worked, many were very disapointed and that's because the world had moved on and wasn't wanting it anymore. Painkiller was so successful because it showed a classic band that could be as heavy and aggressive as any thrash or metal band of the time.
AOR is a hybrid album resulting from fans demanding classic Priest and Heavy Priest. That's exactly what Priest gave but that just leaves the fans that want something different, enter Nostradamus. They covered everyone within those 2 albums and yet there are still disapointed fans. AOR is a modern metal masterpiece and i would say it is easily one of their best. Painkiller beats it on heavyness, but AOR beats Painkiller musically by far. When Priest write songs with layers, it works. When they right songs that are just heavy, it works but i know which one i prefer, even for a heavy metal band. That is why i love AOR and i would happily accept another album of the same standard if not better from them. |
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| [JT_Small_Deadly_Space] Friday, November 27, 2009 7:07:28 AM | |
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AOR is not a weak album and i won't say that's opinion i would say that is fact. If it's not what you were expecting and for that reason you don't like it then fair enough i can accept that but it's not weak at all. If it had been released after Defenders, everyone would have been like, WOAH AWESOME! But because it follows Painkiller, it can't possibly live up to old Priest standards even though Painkiller is considered better than anything in their entire catalogue by many. Don't you see, Priest can't really churn out what they used to do beacause in todays market unfortunately, it wouldn't survive. Metal has reached new heights and as a result the bands have suffered, they will still receive a massive reception live but that's because people respect them for the hits that they had back in the day.
When bands like Sabbath, Priest, Motorhead, Saxon AC/DC, Deep Purple etc release an album now, they aren't going to get the same reaction that they got back in their high days of glory, it doesn't work like that. Plus Priest did try to go back to classic heavy such as Defenders with Ram it Down and as much as i think it worked, many were very disapointed and that's because the world had moved on and wasn't wanting it anymore. Painkiller was so successful because it showed a classic band that could be as heavy and aggressive as any thrash or metal band of the time.
AOR is a hybrid album resulting from fans demanding classic Priest and Heavy Priest. That's exactly what Priest gave but that just leaves the fans that want something different, enter Nostradamus. They covered everyone within those 2 albums and yet there are still disapointed fans. AOR is a modern metal masterpiece and i would say it is easily one of their best. Painkiller beats it on heavyness, but AOR beats Painkiller musically by far. When Priest write songs with layers, it works. When they right songs that are just heavy, it works but i know which one i prefer, even for a heavy metal band. That is why i love AOR and i would happily accept another album of the same standard if not better from them. |
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| [hellrider 31038] Friday, November 27, 2009 1:34:38 AM | |
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HEEEELLLLLLLLLLL YEEEEEEEAAAHHHHHHHHHHH definatly me JT_Small_Deadly_Space OH FUC? YEAH
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JT_Small_Deadly_Space from Thursday, November 26, 2009 8:00:42 AM)| | | JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote: | | Well now Defenders is a great album it is exactly what it was supposed to be, Screaming for Vengeance part 2. The only two albums that sound remotely like each othre in the entire Priest catalogue. The first half of Defenders is a fast album i reckon. Now then as for AOR - what an album, every song a hit it is a modern day Screaming for Vengeance and i loe that, everything about the album rocks, the drumming some of Travis's best, just behind Jugulator and believe it or not because i'm a drummer it is the thing i look forward to most from a new Priest album (needless to say this is what let Nostradamus down a lot). Halfords vocals, Angel provides his best singing voice by far and Demonizer his best screams. Guitar - some of the best solos ever by KK and Glenn especially Demonizer and Hellrider. How many solos have you heard as melodic and as well written as those in a seriously heavy metal song? The bass work from Ian is solid and in places very creative, he shines on Revolution and even Worth Fighting For (as simple as it is) hits home real hard. Loch Ness might not be to everyones liking but i think the band as a whole shine on that song and it is a true cheesy epic metal masterpiece.
The production of the album is what did it most for me though, everything was as sharp as a razor, if music could cut your skin then AOR would take your head off in an instant.
Here is what i want.. no what i demand from the boys,
Travis, take us back to albums like Painkiller and Jugulator, fantastic hand-feet coordinated fills, give us more drum intros like Painkiller and Machine Man, more double bass rolls and bursts like Phallic Tractor and Scarified.
Ian, take us back to Sad wings and Sin after Sin, and combine those beautiful melodies with raw and agressive fills from Jugulator and Demolition.
Glenn, melodic solos aplenty like Demonizer and Beyond the Realms of Death and aggresive duos with KK.
KK, experimental solos such as Sinner and Victim of Changes. Plus agressive duos with Glenn.
As for riffs make them hard and heavy with pure raw energy, Demonizer, Devils Child, Heavy Duty you know the ones i mean
Rob, well i have to say, he always delivers the goods no matter what and i don't need to ask anything of him as he knows what people want.
WE WANT A SURGING RUSH OF POWER, WE WANT TO FEEL OUR FACES RIPPED OFF WITH SHEER FORCE AND ANGER, WE WANT HEAVY METAL, WE WANT THE PRIEST!!!!!!! PRIEST, PRIEST, PRIEST, PRIEST, PRIEST, PRIEST!
WHO'S WITH ME????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | Head banger wrote: | | I think Defenders is heavy in a different way. its not as fast by and large, and the drums are less intense, its more guitar focused with the bass backing, rather than the drums being more fore front on AOR. I think these are my 2 fave studio albums, but they are quite different. to me both have more range than painkiller, which is good but kinda one dimensional.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah I see.But we all have opinions,and I just can't hear anything on Defenders that is heavier than Demonizer and Hellrider and Judas Rising,even Wheels Of Fire. The "drums" blow away Defenders as Defenders drums sound like a soft drum machine to me,and even though I love the songs,to me they just don't seem as heavy to me as the core of Retribution,but I see your point man.
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | hey COOOMMMMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDDEEEEERRRRRRRR no offence man i know how you really like the album but actually i find defenders has more power then angel i also like the feeling much more that defenders has.yeah hell bent for leather is not the most powerfull but it is a great album i enjoy it very much and again i like the feeling of that album.angel has a totally different feel to it to me
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I think Angel Of Retribution has enough power. To be honest hellrider,I think Defenders Of The Faith is "softer" than Angel Of Retribution.Its not a bad thing,its my opinion.But if Angel Of Retribution lacks power in your opinion,Defenders Of The Faith must really lack power and so must Hell Bent For Leather no? I read an article that Angel of Retribution was supposed to purposely "not achieve" a Painkiller sound and production. They wanted to achieve a Screaming For Vengeance /Defenders Of The Faith sound and production and thats exactly what Angel of Retribution is to me its an album that belongs with the class of Screaming For Vengeance and Defenders Of The Faith. Out of the 3 albums I like Screaming For Vengeance the best but I like Angel Of Retribtion better than I like Defenders Of The Faith,I have ever since Retribution came out,I understand your cravings for "power" like the Painkiller,but I thought that they achieved what they were trying to do with it,10 songs and the only one that sucked was the last one(Lochness)lol!!!
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | .no offence intended but personally i think the majority of angel of retribution lacks power.just my opinion again no offence intended.mighty paaaaaaainkillllllllller defenders would be very interesting (Quoting Message by guardian angel from Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:03:14 AM)
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I can't speak for everyone on the forum, but ultimately, I like the variety in their discography. I do like Nostradamus, but I agree that this would be the time, if ever, for them to put out a serious british metal offering. I would love to see something along the lines of Defenders of the Faith mixed with Angel of Retribution. And I don't think the other 4 members of Priest would appreciate being lumped in with the Winter Songs thing. That was a Halford deal, something Rob wanted to cross off his bucket list. I just think that doing the British Steel revival tour right after releasing a new album, was bad timing. I think a short Nostradamus tour to promote their new material and a summer British Steel tour would have made more sense, but hey, I'm not in the music industry, what do I know. I just hope to hear something awesome before they hang up their axes.
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yeah i was expecting something that would could take on the MIGHTY PAAAAAAAAAAAAINKILLLLLLLLLLLLLLER for the reunion album.but unforturnatly did not happen.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Skybreaker from Thursday, November 26, 2009 6:00:20 PM)| | | Skybreaker wrote: | | I agree with you on that, Defenders wipes the floor with Angel of Retribution, easily. Angel was a weak comeback cd. Don't know what happened but ever since Rob Halford left the band then came back they just haven't been the same in my opinion. 12 years or however long it was is a long time and maybe they just lost momentum or something,They hit their peak in the 80's and early 90's with British Steel, Screaming for Vengeance, Deffenders and then the great Painkiller but after that it just hasn't been the same.
I love that old Freewheel Burning video, although its kind of cheesy with the poll position video game, but to me thats what Judas Priest is all about, just the guys on stage with a wall of amps behind them cranking out metal.
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I think Angel Of Retribution has enough power. To be honest hellrider,I think Defenders Of The Faith is "softer" than Angel Of Retribution.Its not a bad thing,its my opinion.But if Angel Of Retribution lacks power in your opinion,Defenders Of The Faith must really lack power and so must Hell Bent For Leather no? I read an article that Angel of Retribution was supposed to purposely "not achieve" a Painkiller sound and production. They wanted to achieve a Screaming For Vengeance /Defenders Of The Faith sound and production and thats exactly what Angel of Retribution is to me its an album that belongs with the class of Screaming For Vengeance and Defenders Of The Faith. Out of the 3 albums I like Screaming For Vengeance the best but I like Angel Of Retribtion better than I like Defenders Of The Faith,I have ever since Retribution came out,I understand your cravings for "power" like the Painkiller,but I thought that they achieved what they were trying to do with it,10 songs and the only one that sucked was the last one(Lochness)lol!!!
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.no offence intended but personally i think the majority of angel of retribution lacks power.just my opinion again no offence intended.mighty paaaaaaainkillllllllller defenders would be very interesting (Quoting Message by guardian angel from Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:03:14 AM)
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I can't speak for everyone on the forum, but ultimately, I like the variety in their discography. I do like Nostradamus, but I agree that this would be the time, if ever, for them to put out a serious british metal offering. I would love to see something along the lines of Defenders of the Faith mixed with Angel of Retribution. And I don't think the other 4 members of Priest would appreciate being lumped in with the Winter Songs thing. That was a Halford deal, something Rob wanted to cross off his bucket list. I just think that doing the British Steel revival tour right after releasing a new album, was bad timing. I think a short Nostradamus tour to promote their new material and a summer British Steel tour would have made more sense, but hey, I'm not in the music industry, what do I know. I just hope to hear something awesome before they hang up their axes.
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| Yeah Hellrider what we are seeing here is our favorite band has been getting soft on us all the way around. 5 long years have passed since Angel of Retribution and all that there is to show for is Nostradamus and Winter Songs. Who knows what kind of mood the band members are in at the time they write the next album? Getting a killer british metal album from these guys is not a "shoe in" at all as we all know,the next LP may turn out like Ram It Down for all we know.But this is what 95% of members on this forum like isn't it? The all like the fact that they never know what they will get from Judas Priest...could be a Painkiller,could be a Turbo,could be a British Steel,could be a cross between Nostradamus and Winter Songs...thats what almost everybody likes here is the fact that they can't count on one particular style. "I FUCKING HATE THAT FACT". I am in the 5% that just want METAL.
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I love both Defenders and Retribution but I can't see how somebody just likes one,but its thier opinion. Judas Rising,Deal With The Devil,Wheels Of Fire,Demonizer,Hellrider....5 "weak" songs. "OOOOOOK". LOL!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Skybreaker from Thursday, November 26, 2009 6:00:20 PM)| | | Skybreaker wrote: | | I agree with you on that, Defenders wipes the floor with Angel of Retribution, easily. Angel was a weak comeback cd. Don't know what happened but ever since Rob Halford left the band then came back they just haven't been the same in my opinion. 12 years or however long it was is a long time and maybe they just lost momentum or something,They hit their peak in the 80's and early 90's with British Steel, Screaming for Vengeance, Deffenders and then the great Painkiller but after that it just hasn't been the same.
I love that old Freewheel Burning video, although its kind of cheesy with the poll position video game, but to me thats what Judas Priest is all about, just the guys on stage with a wall of amps behind them cranking out metal.
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hey COOOMMMMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDDEEEEERRRRRRRR no offence man i know how you really like the album but actually i find defenders has more power then angel i also like the feeling much more that defenders has.yeah hell bent for leather is not the most powerfull but it is a great album i enjoy it very much and again i like the feeling of that album.angel has a totally different feel to it to me
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I think Angel Of Retribution has enough power. To be honest hellrider,I think Defenders Of The Faith is "softer" than Angel Of Retribution.Its not a bad thing,its my opinion.But if Angel Of Retribution lacks power in your opinion,Defenders Of The Faith must really lack power and so must Hell Bent For Leather no? I read an article that Angel of Retribution was supposed to purposely "not achieve" a Painkiller sound and production. They wanted to achieve a Screaming For Vengeance /Defenders Of The Faith sound and production and thats exactly what Angel of Retribution is to me its an album that belongs with the class of Screaming For Vengeance and Defenders Of The Faith. Out of the 3 albums I like Screaming For Vengeance the best but I like Angel Of Retribtion better than I like Defenders Of The Faith,I have ever since Retribution came out,I understand your cravings for "power" like the Painkiller,but I thought that they achieved what they were trying to do with it,10 songs and the only one that sucked was the last one(Lochness)lol!!!
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.no offence intended but personally i think the majority of angel of retribution lacks power.just my opinion again no offence intended.mighty paaaaaaainkillllllllller defenders would be very interesting (Quoting Message by guardian angel from Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:03:14 AM)
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I can't speak for everyone on the forum, but ultimately, I like the variety in their discography. I do like Nostradamus, but I agree that this would be the time, if ever, for them to put out a serious british metal offering. I would love to see something along the lines of Defenders of the Faith mixed with Angel of Retribution. And I don't think the other 4 members of Priest would appreciate being lumped in with the Winter Songs thing. That was a Halford deal, something Rob wanted to cross off his bucket list. I just think that doing the British Steel revival tour right after releasing a new album, was bad timing. I think a short Nostradamus tour to promote their new material and a summer British Steel tour would have made more sense, but hey, I'm not in the music industry, what do I know. I just hope to hear something awesome before they hang up their axes.
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| Yeah Hellrider what we are seeing here is our favorite band has been getting soft on us all the way around. 5 long years have passed since Angel of Retribution and all that there is to show for is Nostradamus and Winter Songs. Who knows what kind of mood the band members are in at the time they write the next album? Getting a killer british metal album from these guys is not a "shoe in" at all as we all know,the next LP may turn out like Ram It Down for all we know.But this is what 95% of members on this forum like isn't it? The all like the fact that they never know what they will get from Judas Priest...could be a Painkiller,could be a Turbo,could be a British Steel,could be a cross between Nostradamus and Winter Songs...thats what almost everybody likes here is the fact that they can't count on one particular style. "I FUCKING HATE THAT FACT". I am in the 5% that just want METAL.
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I agree with you on that, Defenders wipes the floor with Angel of Retribution, easily. Angel was a weak comeback cd. Don't know what happened but ever since Rob Halford left the band then came back they just haven't been the same in my opinion. 12 years or however long it was is a long time and maybe they just lost momentum or something,They hit their peak in the 80's and early 90's with British Steel, Screaming for Vengeance, Deffenders and then the great Painkiller but after that it just hasn't been the same.
I love that old Freewheel Burning video, although its kind of cheesy with the poll position video game, but to me thats what Judas Priest is all about, just the guys on stage with a wall of amps behind them cranking out metal.
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hey COOOMMMMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDDEEEEERRRRRRRR no offence man i know how you really like the album but actually i find defenders has more power then angel i also like the feeling much more that defenders has.yeah hell bent for leather is not the most powerfull but it is a great album i enjoy it very much and again i like the feeling of that album.angel has a totally different feel to it to me
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I think Angel Of Retribution has enough power. To be honest hellrider,I think Defenders Of The Faith is "softer" than Angel Of Retribution.Its not a bad thing,its my opinion.But if Angel Of Retribution lacks power in your opinion,Defenders Of The Faith must really lack power and so must Hell Bent For Leather no? I read an article that Angel of Retribution was supposed to purposely "not achieve" a Painkiller sound and production. They wanted to achieve a Screaming For Vengeance /Defenders Of The Faith sound and production and thats exactly what Angel of Retribution is to me its an album that belongs with the class of Screaming For Vengeance and Defenders Of The Faith. Out of the 3 albums I like Screaming For Vengeance the best but I like Angel Of Retribtion better than I like Defenders Of The Faith,I have ever since Retribution came out,I understand your cravings for "power" like the Painkiller,but I thought that they achieved what they were trying to do with it,10 songs and the only one that sucked was the last one(Lochness)lol!!!
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.no offence intended but personally i think the majority of angel of retribution lacks power.just my opinion again no offence intended.mighty paaaaaaainkillllllllller defenders would be very interesting (Quoting Message by guardian angel from Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:03:14 AM)
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I can't speak for everyone on the forum, but ultimately, I like the variety in their discography. I do like Nostradamus, but I agree that this would be the time, if ever, for them to put out a serious british metal offering. I would love to see something along the lines of Defenders of the Faith mixed with Angel of Retribution. And I don't think the other 4 members of Priest would appreciate being lumped in with the Winter Songs thing. That was a Halford deal, something Rob wanted to cross off his bucket list. I just think that doing the British Steel revival tour right after releasing a new album, was bad timing. I think a short Nostradamus tour to promote their new material and a summer British Steel tour would have made more sense, but hey, I'm not in the music industry, what do I know. I just hope to hear something awesome before they hang up their axes.
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I agree that defenders is much darker than screaming. dont agree with you on AOR, except lochness.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:57:50 PM)| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | | Defenders is more like British Steel part two. It has a darker feel than SFV. SFV is a very american sounding album whereas BS and DOTF sound english. AOR is ok. Judas Rising is as good as anything Priest have brought out. Worth Fighting For is shit, cheesy crap aimed at the american market. Same with Angel, piss weak with lyrical themes that have appeared before in Priest songs, just illustrates a lack of ideas. Angel is the obligatory ballad on the album, Poison have Every Rose Has It's Thorn, Priest have Angel. Lochness is just ridiculous, maybe they could write a song about a sasquatch on their next album. The rest of the album is ok but not spectacular. Painkiller is insane, every song a cracker, no filler, no cheese, no ballads, better than BS, SFV and DOTF. Only one that comes close to it would be Stained Class as far as being an uncompromising masterpiece. |
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I love Take These Chains! LOL! I also like Angel, when I am in the mood to listen to songs like that. I agree that DOTF has a darker feel to it than SFV, but I find BS is pretty upbeat as well, in a kind of rebellious sort of way, for lack of a better term. I shudder when I hear Poison in the same sentence as Judas Priest - Poison are awful lol.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Thursday, November 26, 2009 3:20:43 PM)| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | Chains is shit, one of the worst songs Priest have done. Take these chains off, off of my heart sounds like the kind of crap Michael Bolton would be singing. Why is Angel any better than Every Rose Has It's Thorn? If anything it's worse because you expect cheesy shit from Poison. I meant the atmosphere of DOTF and BS, both albums have a dark, edgy kind of feel ( with the exception of the shocking Living After Midnight ) whereas SFV is more upbeat and has a more radio friendly sound.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | If "Worth Fighting For" is "shit" then "Take These Chains" from Screaming For Vengeance and "Desert Plains" from Point Of Entry must be "shit" in your opinion then because Worth Fighting For absolutely "REEKS" of these 2 songs put together. And as far as "Angel" goes...its no different than "Before The Dawn" or "Night Comes Down",I'm not a fan of these ballads but to put them with Poison's Every Rose Has Its Thorn is sure to get a rise out of just about anybody,good one jimmy! lol!! And I can't for the life of me hear anything in Defenders that sounds anything like British Steel part 2?? What? Lochness is totally "lame" but to me Angel Of Retribution still tops Defenders Of The Faith in my book but still cool to read other's opinions.
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Chains is shit, one of the worst songs Priest have done. Take these chains off, off of my heart sounds like the kind of crap Michael Bolton would be singing. Why is Angel any better than Every Rose Has It's Thorn? If anything it's worse because you expect cheesy shit from Poison. I meant the atmosphere of DOTF and BS, both albums have a dark, edgy kind of feel ( with the exception of the shocking Living After Midnight ) whereas SFV is more upbeat and has a more radio friendly sound.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Thursday, November 26, 2009 3:06:32 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | If "Worth Fighting For" is "shit" then "Take These Chains" from Screaming For Vengeance and "Desert Plains" from Point Of Entry must be "shit" in your opinion then because Worth Fighting For absolutely "REEKS" of these 2 songs put together. And as far as "Angel" goes...its no different than "Before The Dawn" or "Night Comes Down",I'm not a fan of these ballads but to put them with Poison's Every Rose Has Its Thorn is sure to get a rise out of just about anybody,good one jimmy! lol!! And I can't for the life of me hear anything in Defenders that sounds anything like British Steel part 2?? What? Lochness is totally "lame" but to me Angel Of Retribution still tops Defenders Of The Faith in my book but still cool to read other's opinions.
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | | Defenders is more like British Steel part two. It has a darker feel than SFV. SFV is a very american sounding album whereas BS and DOTF sound english. AOR is ok. Judas Rising is as good as anything Priest have brought out. Worth Fighting For is shit, cheesy crap aimed at the american market. Same with Angel, piss weak with lyrical themes that have appeared before in Priest songs, just illustrates a lack of ideas. Angel is the obligatory ballad on the album, Poison have Every Rose Has It's Thorn, Priest have Angel. Lochness is just ridiculous, maybe they could write a song about a sasquatch on their next album. The rest of the album is ok but not spectacular. Painkiller is insane, every song a cracker, no filler, no cheese, no ballads, better than BS, SFV and DOTF. Only one that comes close to it would be Stained Class as far as being an uncompromising masterpiece. |
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If "Worth Fighting For" is "shit" then "Take These Chains" from Screaming For Vengeance and "Desert Plains" from Point Of Entry must be "shit" in your opinion then because Worth Fighting For absolutely "REEKS" of these 2 songs put together. And as far as "Angel" goes...its no different than "Before The Dawn" or "Night Comes Down",I'm not a fan of these ballads but to put them with Poison's Every Rose Has Its Thorn is sure to get a rise out of just about anybody,good one jimmy! lol!! And I can't for the life of me hear anything in Defenders that sounds anything like British Steel part 2?? What? Lochness is totally "lame" but to me Angel Of Retribution still tops Defenders Of The Faith in my book but still cool to read other's opinions.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:57:50 PM)| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | | Defenders is more like British Steel part two. It has a darker feel than SFV. SFV is a very american sounding album whereas BS and DOTF sound english. AOR is ok. Judas Rising is as good as anything Priest have brought out. Worth Fighting For is shit, cheesy crap aimed at the american market. Same with Angel, piss weak with lyrical themes that have appeared before in Priest songs, just illustrates a lack of ideas. Angel is the obligatory ballad on the album, Poison have Every Rose Has It's Thorn, Priest have Angel. Lochness is just ridiculous, maybe they could write a song about a sasquatch on their next album. The rest of the album is ok but not spectacular. Painkiller is insane, every song a cracker, no filler, no cheese, no ballads, better than BS, SFV and DOTF. Only one that comes close to it would be Stained Class as far as being an uncompromising masterpiece. |
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[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JT_Small_Deadly_Space from Thursday, November 26, 2009 8:00:42 AM)| | | JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote: | | Well now Defenders is a great album it is exactly what it was supposed to be, Screaming for Vengeance part 2. The only two albums that sound remotely like each othre in the entire Priest catalogue. The first half of Defenders is a fast album i reckon. Now then as for AOR - what an album, every song a hit it is a modern day Screaming for Vengeance and i loe that, everything about the album rocks, the drumming some of Travis's best, just behind Jugulator and believe it or not because i'm a drummer it is the thing i look forward to most from a new Priest album (needless to say this is what let Nostradamus down a lot). Halfords vocals, Angel provides his best singing voice by far and Demonizer his best screams. Guitar - some of the best solos ever by KK and Glenn especially Demonizer and Hellrider. How many solos have you heard as melodic and as well written as those in a seriously heavy metal song? The bass work from Ian is solid and in places very creative, he shines on Revolution and even Worth Fighting For (as simple as it is) hits home real hard. Loch Ness might not be to everyones liking but i think the band as a whole shine on that song and it is a true cheesy epic metal masterpiece.
The production of the album is what did it most for me though, everything was as sharp as a razor, if music could cut your skin then AOR would take your head off in an instant.
Here is what i want.. no what i demand from the boys,
Travis, take us back to albums like Painkiller and Jugulator, fantastic hand-feet coordinated fills, give us more drum intros like Painkiller and Machine Man, more double bass rolls and bursts like Phallic Tractor and Scarified.
Ian, take us back to Sad wings and Sin after Sin, and combine those beautiful melodies with raw and agressive fills from Jugulator and Demolition.
Glenn, melodic solos aplenty like Demonizer and Beyond the Realms of Death and aggresive duos with KK.
KK, experimental solos such as Sinner and Victim of Changes. Plus agressive duos with Glenn.
As for riffs make them hard and heavy with pure raw energy, Demonizer, Devils Child, Heavy Duty you know the ones i mean
Rob, well i have to say, he always delivers the goods no matter what and i don't need to ask anything of him as he knows what people want.
WE WANT A SURGING RUSH OF POWER, WE WANT TO FEEL OUR FACES RIPPED OFF WITH SHEER FORCE AND ANGER, WE WANT HEAVY METAL, WE WANT THE PRIEST!!!!!!! PRIEST, PRIEST, PRIEST, PRIEST, PRIEST, PRIEST!
WHO'S WITH ME????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | Head banger wrote: | | I think Defenders is heavy in a different way. its not as fast by and large, and the drums are less intense, its more guitar focused with the bass backing, rather than the drums being more fore front on AOR. I think these are my 2 fave studio albums, but they are quite different. to me both have more range than painkiller, which is good but kinda one dimensional.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah I see.But we all have opinions,and I just can't hear anything on Defenders that is heavier than Demonizer and Hellrider and Judas Rising,even Wheels Of Fire. The "drums" blow away Defenders as Defenders drums sound like a soft drum machine to me,and even though I love the songs,to me they just don't seem as heavy to me as the core of Retribution,but I see your point man.
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | hey COOOMMMMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDDEEEEERRRRRRRR no offence man i know how you really like the album but actually i find defenders has more power then angel i also like the feeling much more that defenders has.yeah hell bent for leather is not the most powerfull but it is a great album i enjoy it very much and again i like the feeling of that album.angel has a totally different feel to it to me
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I think Angel Of Retribution has enough power. To be honest hellrider,I think Defenders Of The Faith is "softer" than Angel Of Retribution.Its not a bad thing,its my opinion.But if Angel Of Retribution lacks power in your opinion,Defenders Of The Faith must really lack power and so must Hell Bent For Leather no? I read an article that Angel of Retribution was supposed to purposely "not achieve" a Painkiller sound and production. They wanted to achieve a Screaming For Vengeance /Defenders Of The Faith sound and production and thats exactly what Angel of Retribution is to me its an album that belongs with the class of Screaming For Vengeance and Defenders Of The Faith. Out of the 3 albums I like Screaming For Vengeance the best but I like Angel Of Retribtion better than I like Defenders Of The Faith,I have ever since Retribution came out,I understand your cravings for "power" like the Painkiller,but I thought that they achieved what they were trying to do with it,10 songs and the only one that sucked was the last one(Lochness)lol!!!
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | .no offence intended but personally i think the majority of angel of retribution lacks power.just my opinion again no offence intended.mighty paaaaaaainkillllllllller defenders would be very interesting (Quoting Message by guardian angel from Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:03:14 AM)
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Well now Defenders is a great album it is exactly what it was supposed to be, Screaming for Vengeance part 2. The only two albums that sound remotely like each othre in the entire Priest catalogue. The first half of Defenders is a fast album i reckon. Now then as for AOR - what an album, every song a hit it is a modern day Screaming for Vengeance and i loe that, everything about the album rocks, the drumming some of Travis's best, just behind Jugulator and believe it or not because i'm a drummer it is the thing i look forward to most from a new Priest album (needless to say this is what let Nostradamus down a lot). Halfords vocals, Angel provides his best singing voice by far and Demonizer his best screams. Guitar - some of the best solos ever by KK and Glenn especially Demonizer and Hellrider. How many solos have you heard as melodic and as well written as those in a seriously heavy metal song? The bass work from Ian is solid and in places very creative, he shines on Revolution and even Worth Fighting For (as simple as it is) hits home real hard. Loch Ness might not be to everyones liking but i think the band as a whole shine on that song and it is a true cheesy epic metal masterpiece.
The production of the album is what did it most for me though, everything was as sharp as a razor, if music could cut your skin then AOR would take your head off in an instant.
Here is what i want.. no what i demand from the boys,
Travis, take us back to albums like Painkiller and Jugulator, fantastic hand-feet coordinated fills, give us more drum intros like Painkiller and Machine Man, more double bass rolls and bursts like Phallic Tractor and Scarified.
Ian, take us back to Sad wings and Sin after Sin, and combine those beautiful melodies with raw and agressive fills from Jugulator and Demolition.
Glenn, melodic solos aplenty like Demonizer and Beyond the Realms of Death and aggresive duos with KK.
KK, experimental solos such as Sinner and Victim of Changes. Plus agressive duos with Glenn.
As for riffs make them hard and heavy with pure raw energy, Demonizer, Devils Child, Heavy Duty you know the ones i mean
Rob, well i have to say, he always delivers the goods no matter what and i don't need to ask anything of him as he knows what people want.
WE WANT A SURGING RUSH OF POWER, WE WANT TO FEEL OUR FACES RIPPED OFF WITH SHEER FORCE AND ANGER, WE WANT HEAVY METAL, WE WANT THE PRIEST!!!!!!! PRIEST, PRIEST, PRIEST, PRIEST, PRIEST, PRIEST!
WHO'S WITH ME????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, November 26, 2009 7:25:07 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | I think Defenders is heavy in a different way. its not as fast by and large, and the drums are less intense, its more guitar focused with the bass backing, rather than the drums being more fore front on AOR. I think these are my 2 fave studio albums, but they are quite different. to me both have more range than painkiller, which is good but kinda one dimensional.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah I see.But we all have opinions,and I just can't hear anything on Defenders that is heavier than Demonizer and Hellrider and Judas Rising,even Wheels Of Fire. The "drums" blow away Defenders as Defenders drums sound like a soft drum machine to me,and even though I love the songs,to me they just don't seem as heavy to me as the core of Retribution,but I see your point man.
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | hey COOOMMMMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDDEEEEERRRRRRRR no offence man i know how you really like the album but actually i find defenders has more power then angel i also like the feeling much more that defenders has.yeah hell bent for leather is not the most powerfull but it is a great album i enjoy it very much and again i like the feeling of that album.angel has a totally different feel to it to me
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I think Angel Of Retribution has enough power. To be honest hellrider,I think Defenders Of The Faith is "softer" than Angel Of Retribution.Its not a bad thing,its my opinion.But if Angel Of Retribution lacks power in your opinion,Defenders Of The Faith must really lack power and so must Hell Bent For Leather no? I read an article that Angel of Retribution was supposed to purposely "not achieve" a Painkiller sound and production. They wanted to achieve a Screaming For Vengeance /Defenders Of The Faith sound and production and thats exactly what Angel of Retribution is to me its an album that belongs with the class of Screaming For Vengeance and Defenders Of The Faith. Out of the 3 albums I like Screaming For Vengeance the best but I like Angel Of Retribtion better than I like Defenders Of The Faith,I have ever since Retribution came out,I understand your cravings for "power" like the Painkiller,but I thought that they achieved what they were trying to do with it,10 songs and the only one that sucked was the last one(Lochness)lol!!!
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | .no offence intended but personally i think the majority of angel of retribution lacks power.just my opinion again no offence intended.mighty paaaaaaainkillllllllller defenders would be very interesting (Quoting Message by guardian angel from Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:03:14 AM)
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I can't speak for everyone on the forum, but ultimately, I like the variety in their discography. I do like Nostradamus, but I agree that this would be the time, if ever, for them to put out a serious british metal offering. I would love to see something along the lines of Defenders of the Faith mixed with Angel of Retribution. And I don't think the other 4 members of Priest would appreciate being lumped in with the Winter Songs thing. That was a Halford deal, something Rob wanted to cross off his bucket list. I just think that doing the British Steel revival tour right after releasing a new album, was bad timing. I think a short Nostradamus tour to promote their new material and a summer British Steel tour would have made more sense, but hey, I'm not in the music industry, what do I know. I just hope to hear something awesome before they hang up their axes.
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I think Defenders is heavy in a different way. its not as fast by and large, and the drums are less intense, its more guitar focused with the bass backing, rather than the drums being more fore front on AOR. I think these are my 2 fave studio albums, but they are quite different. to me both have more range than painkiller, which is good but kinda one dimensional.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Thursday, November 26, 2009 3:05:28 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah I see.But we all have opinions,and I just can't hear anything on Defenders that is heavier than Demonizer and Hellrider and Judas Rising,even Wheels Of Fire. The "drums" blow away Defenders as Defenders drums sound like a soft drum machine to me,and even though I love the songs,to me they just don't seem as heavy to me as the core of Retribution,but I see your point man.
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | hey COOOMMMMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDDEEEEERRRRRRRR no offence man i know how you really like the album but actually i find defenders has more power then angel i also like the feeling much more that defenders has.yeah hell bent for leather is not the most powerfull but it is a great album i enjoy it very much and again i like the feeling of that album.angel has a totally different feel to it to me
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I think Angel Of Retribution has enough power. To be honest hellrider,I think Defenders Of The Faith is "softer" than Angel Of Retribution.Its not a bad thing,its my opinion.But if Angel Of Retribution lacks power in your opinion,Defenders Of The Faith must really lack power and so must Hell Bent For Leather no? I read an article that Angel of Retribution was supposed to purposely "not achieve" a Painkiller sound and production. They wanted to achieve a Screaming For Vengeance /Defenders Of The Faith sound and production and thats exactly what Angel of Retribution is to me its an album that belongs with the class of Screaming For Vengeance and Defenders Of The Faith. Out of the 3 albums I like Screaming For Vengeance the best but I like Angel Of Retribtion better than I like Defenders Of The Faith,I have ever since Retribution came out,I understand your cravings for "power" like the Painkiller,but I thought that they achieved what they were trying to do with it,10 songs and the only one that sucked was the last one(Lochness)lol!!!
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | .no offence intended but personally i think the majority of angel of retribution lacks power.just my opinion again no offence intended.mighty paaaaaaainkillllllllller defenders would be very interesting (Quoting Message by guardian angel from Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:03:14 AM)
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I can't speak for everyone on the forum, but ultimately, I like the variety in their discography. I do like Nostradamus, but I agree that this would be the time, if ever, for them to put out a serious british metal offering. I would love to see something along the lines of Defenders of the Faith mixed with Angel of Retribution. And I don't think the other 4 members of Priest would appreciate being lumped in with the Winter Songs thing. That was a Halford deal, something Rob wanted to cross off his bucket list. I just think that doing the British Steel revival tour right after releasing a new album, was bad timing. I think a short Nostradamus tour to promote their new material and a summer British Steel tour would have made more sense, but hey, I'm not in the music industry, what do I know. I just hope to hear something awesome before they hang up their axes.
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take your brave pills, and head out on the highway to a concert!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:55:54 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Invades from every angle, huh? Well, something about that just terrifies me..............HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | Head banger wrote: | | well, those are heavy metals to be sure, but I was thinking more of sonicly available metal. that which you can feel and invades from every angle, not just to be ingested.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmmm I have read that there is a considerable amount of lead and mercury in drinking water.....
| | | Head banger wrote: | | the Variety is great. but they are a metal band, and we need a more metalic diet.
| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | | Yes, I admit J.D., that I do love the variety of the Priest albums. Something for my every mood if you will. But I totally agree with you that we most definitely need Priest to come back with a killer, punch me in the face, British METAL album. And it IS scary, because until we have that little gem in our hands, we won't know what it will be! They need to do it this time around for sure because who knows how much longer they have left in them? I don't really want to think about that, but realistically, how many albums/tours do they have left? I want them to put out an album that shows everyone that Priest is what all metal bands should try to be. I don't want there to be any doubt in anyones mind that Priest still has it and they ARE THE METAL GODS!!
I want a TOTAL RUSH OF POWER HEAVY MEEEEEEEETTTTTTAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL album for Christmas next year!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah Hellrider what we are seeing here is our favorite band has been getting soft on us all the way around. 5 long years have passed since Angel of Retribution and all that there is to show for is Nostradamus and Winter Songs. Who knows what kind of mood the band members are in at the time they write the next album? Getting a killer british metal album from these guys is not a "shoe in" at all as we all know,the next LP may turn out like Ram It Down for all we know.But this is what 95% of members on this forum like isn't it? The all like the fact that they never know what they will get from Judas Priest...could be a Painkiller,could be a Turbo,could be a British Steel,could be a cross between Nostradamus and Winter Songs...thats what almost everybody likes here is the fact that they can't count on one particular style. "I FUCKING HATE THAT FACT". I am in the 5% that just want METAL.
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Yeah I see.But we all have opinions,and I just can't hear anything on Defenders that is heavier than Demonizer and Hellrider and Judas Rising,even Wheels Of Fire. The "drums" blow away Defenders as Defenders drums sound like a soft drum machine to me,and even though I love the songs,to me they just don't seem as heavy to me as the core of Retribution,but I see your point man.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:58:26 PM)| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | hey COOOMMMMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDDEEEEERRRRRRRR no offence man i know how you really like the album but actually i find defenders has more power then angel i also like the feeling much more that defenders has.yeah hell bent for leather is not the most powerfull but it is a great album i enjoy it very much and again i like the feeling of that album.angel has a totally different feel to it to me
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I think Angel Of Retribution has enough power. To be honest hellrider,I think Defenders Of The Faith is "softer" than Angel Of Retribution.Its not a bad thing,its my opinion.But if Angel Of Retribution lacks power in your opinion,Defenders Of The Faith must really lack power and so must Hell Bent For Leather no? I read an article that Angel of Retribution was supposed to purposely "not achieve" a Painkiller sound and production. They wanted to achieve a Screaming For Vengeance /Defenders Of The Faith sound and production and thats exactly what Angel of Retribution is to me its an album that belongs with the class of Screaming For Vengeance and Defenders Of The Faith. Out of the 3 albums I like Screaming For Vengeance the best but I like Angel Of Retribtion better than I like Defenders Of The Faith,I have ever since Retribution came out,I understand your cravings for "power" like the Painkiller,but I thought that they achieved what they were trying to do with it,10 songs and the only one that sucked was the last one(Lochness)lol!!!
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | .no offence intended but personally i think the majority of angel of retribution lacks power.just my opinion again no offence intended.mighty paaaaaaainkillllllllller defenders would be very interesting (Quoting Message by guardian angel from Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:03:14 AM)
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I can't speak for everyone on the forum, but ultimately, I like the variety in their discography. I do like Nostradamus, but I agree that this would be the time, if ever, for them to put out a serious british metal offering. I would love to see something along the lines of Defenders of the Faith mixed with Angel of Retribution. And I don't think the other 4 members of Priest would appreciate being lumped in with the Winter Songs thing. That was a Halford deal, something Rob wanted to cross off his bucket list. I just think that doing the British Steel revival tour right after releasing a new album, was bad timing. I think a short Nostradamus tour to promote their new material and a summer British Steel tour would have made more sense, but hey, I'm not in the music industry, what do I know. I just hope to hear something awesome before they hang up their axes.
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