| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:45:33 PM | |
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| Yes i always have and always will love the Mighty Priest... I like some songs on Nostradamus, but not alot of them. I must say, one of my Favs is ALONE.. I really like that song.. |
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| [Becks] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:37:37 PM | |
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You bring up some very good points, DoE. I totally agree with you about each Priest album sounds different. Like I said in my post, still unmistakeably Priest, with the same musical depth and all that good stuff, but still different! Your examples of SFV and DOTF are so true.
I see your points JD, whilst I don't necessarily agree with them I respect them, that's what a healthy debate is about.
After all, aren't we all here for one reason? Our love of the mighty Priest!  the band I personally love more than any other.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:22:23 PM)| |  | DelivererofEvil wrote: | | People, people, people....
Throughout this whole discussion you keep forgetting something quite vital, and I really can make it without shitty comments as I am not attacking anyone or anything, and I say this before getting down to business so there are no misunderstandings! 
Now.
The PRIEST are human beings, not a machine, even if we sometimes like to think of them like that. We all are perfectly entitled to have our opinion and our personal likes and dislikes in a band with such a vast and different discography.
As human beings that they are, they are forced by nature to be curious to try something different. I won't say TURBO was a genuine attempt at it since there was a lot of commercial intention behind it, and I for one don't hold grudges against it. After all, why not? They could afford to, they ventured into that area then came back to their "Home Style".
They are entitled to experiment with new things, and one thing we can be sure of is that NOT one. ONE. Priest album sounds the same as any other by them, they're all unique. Even Defenders is faster and more aggressive and less poppy driven than Screaming was, and those are deemed to be the closest PRIEST albums. This bringsall the way to 2008. After 40 years of history, a break-up and a reunion, I think it only logical that after Angel of Retribution (a very solid heavy metal record and hell of a lot more consistent than Painkiller with great rockers instread of going in all guns blazing) they would think of doing something they'd never done before. It's part of them as a band and it really shouldn't come as that much a surprise that the PRIEST would do something crazy on the next album.
Nostradamus came out a conceptual album. Fair enough, not the best conceptual album ever. Nevertheless it was an evolution in the Judas Priest sound, they experimented with orchestrations and harmonies and a more operatic approach. Let me tell you this: I think we as fans ought to be proud that even 40 years on, they still strive to inovate instead of sticking to the same formulae like many preach they should.
Don't get me wrong here: I don't want them going non-metal or into psychedelic and progressive realms. Nostradamus, for all it's "conceptuality" is still definately a heavy Metal album. Listen to Pestilence & Plague, Persecution, Alone, Visions, Nostradamus and Future of Mankind. You might not LIKE it, and that's fair enough! But it IS Heavy Metal, and while it isn't as traditional as AoR was, it definately isn't soppy Power Metal or Hard Rock.
It is JUDAS PRIEST. Love it or hate it. They have nothing left to prove to anyone.
That said there's a quote I'd like to do:
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I think that the band's career in traditional heavy metal is "OVER". I think that the next LP is going to be just like Nostradamus,I could be wrong but I have NO FAITH in JUDAS PRIEST after their decision to create Nostradamus.
I couldn't disagree more with those words, and I believe you didn't mean it like it came out.
JUDAS PRIEST cannot be dissociated from Heavy Metal. Not just because they invented it, that would be holding out to former glories. It's because they still are the embodiment of Heavy Metal. They're still playing the shows, playing their classics, and they've still got it in them to keep on going.
If I am wrong,I will admit it and say "I was wrong". But for now...I think that if the band does not deliver a traditional british heavy metal album,then they should wrap it up and call it a day.
J.D., that is being extremist, and I think I've let you know that we aren't that different when it comes to our approach of new things. Nostradamus isn't a straight rocker, it isn't a traditional metal album. That doesn't mean Judas Priest are OVER and done with, quite on the contrary. It proves that there's still some flicker of creativity in them! Nostradamus didn't come out traditional, but if it had other people would have said "Bah, those Judas Priest, always doing the same thing over and over and over"
You can never please everybody. But what you can and they're doing is spread the FAITH in old school Heavy Metal with a set that is 16 songs long not just the 2 Nostradamus ones.
Furthermore, the day PRIEST wraps it up and calls it a day, you'll be taking a large chunk of the breath left in the Heavy Metal movement. The day PRIEST, MAIDEN, HEAVEN & HELL and the other great names in Heavy Metal from the old days "wrap it up and call it a day" will be the first day of the DEATH of Heavy Metal. There is no one to fill in their shoes.
As long as they have the health and the will to do so, I will applaud their perseverance to keep on playing live! Why not even release new albums from day to day?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I obviously have to agree with Necroticist,MG and Maple Syrup.....Nostradamus in my opinion was and forever will be a major "let-down" for traditional Judas Priest fans like us.
We are not saying that our opinions are the only right opinions,but one thing is for sure.....Nostradamus as a whole,in it's entirety is definately NOT A HEAVY METAL ALBUM.
The only album that is worse than Nostradamus is 1986's Turbo.And that aint saying much!
I think that the band's career in traditional heavy metal is "OVER". I think that the next LP is going to be just like Nostradamus,I could be wrong but I have NO FAITH in JUDAS PRIEST after thier decision to create Nostradamus.
I am not going to psych myself out for a killer new Priest album and then have the band "pull the rug out from underneath me again"....no way.
If I am wrong,I will admit it and say "I was wrong". But for now...I think that if the band does not deliver a traditional british heavy metal album,then they should wrap it up and call it a day.
| | | Necroticist wrote: | | | and what a let-down that day was....not gonna argue but that is my least fave JP moment.... |
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| [Head banger] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:35:57 PM | |
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Your right, you cant dissasociate priest from traditional metal, even if they dont play it. look at lee arron. she doenst play anything rock (not sure that she was metal, certainly not traditional) she plays jazz now. but she did rock, and say the name, people think rock. say the name priest, people should think metal. if they left it and did rap or some such shit, they would still be a (former) metal band. they created metal, and will always be a part of it. I just hope they create more of it!
am thinking that some of the 70's stuff is closer than sfv and defenders though.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:22:23 PM)| | | DelivererofEvil wrote: | | People, people, people....
Throughout this whole discussion you keep forgetting something quite vital, and I really can make it without shitty comments as I am not attacking anyone or anything, and I say this before getting down to business so there are no misunderstandings!
Now.
The PRIEST are human beings, not a machine, even if we sometimes like to think of them like that. We all are perfectly entitled to have our opinion and our personal likes and dislikes in a band with such a vast and different discography.
As human beings that they are, they are forced by nature to be curious to try something different. I won't say TURBO was a genuine attempt at it since there was a lot of commercial intention behind it, and I for one don't hold grudges against it. After all, why not? They could afford to, they ventured into that area then came back to their "Home Style".
They are entitled to experiment with new things, and one thing we can be sure of is that NOT one. ONE. Priest album sounds the same as any other by them, they're all unique. Even Defenders is faster and more aggressive and less poppy driven than Screaming was, and those are deemed to be the closest PRIEST albums. This bringsall the way to 2008. After 40 years of history, a break-up and a reunion, I think it only logical that after Angel of Retribution (a very solid heavy metal record and hell of a lot more consistent than Painkiller with great rockers instread of going in all guns blazing) they would think of doing something they'd never done before. It's part of them as a band and it really shouldn't come as that much a surprise that the PRIEST would do something crazy on the next album.
Nostradamus came out a conceptual album. Fair enough, not the best conceptual album ever. Nevertheless it was an evolution in the Judas Priest sound, they experimented with orchestrations and harmonies and a more operatic approach. Let me tell you this: I think we as fans ought to be proud that even 40 years on, they still strive to inovate instead of sticking to the same formulae like many preach they should.
Don't get me wrong here: I don't want them going non-metal or into psychedelic and progressive realms. Nostradamus, for all it's "conceptuality" is still definately a heavy Metal album. Listen to Pestilence & Plague, Persecution, Alone, Visions, Nostradamus and Future of Mankind. You might not LIKE it, and that's fair enough! But it IS Heavy Metal, and while it isn't as traditional as AoR was, it definately isn't soppy Power Metal or Hard Rock.
It is JUDAS PRIEST. Love it or hate it. They have nothing left to prove to anyone.
That said there's a quote I'd like to do:
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I think that the band's career in traditional heavy metal is "OVER". I think that the next LP is going to be just like Nostradamus,I could be wrong but I have NO FAITH in JUDAS PRIEST after their decision to create Nostradamus.
I couldn't disagree more with those words, and I believe you didn't mean it like it came out.
JUDAS PRIEST cannot be dissociated from Heavy Metal. Not just because they invented it, that would be holding out to former glories. It's because they still are the embodiment of Heavy Metal. They're still playing the shows, playing their classics, and they've still got it in them to keep on going.
If I am wrong,I will admit it and say "I was wrong". But for now...I think that if the band does not deliver a traditional british heavy metal album,then they should wrap it up and call it a day.
J.D., that is being extremist, and I think I've let you know that we aren't that different when it comes to our approach of new things. Nostradamus isn't a straight rocker, it isn't a traditional metal album. That doesn't mean Judas Priest are OVER and done with, quite on the contrary. It proves that there's still some flicker of creativity in them! Nostradamus didn't come out traditional, but if it had other people would have said "Bah, those Judas Priest, always doing the same thing over and over and over"
You can never please everybody. But what you can and they're doing is spread the FAITH in old school Heavy Metal with a set that is 16 songs long not just the 2 Nostradamus ones.
Furthermore, the day PRIEST wraps it up and calls it a day, you'll be taking a large chunk of the breath left in the Heavy Metal movement. The day PRIEST, MAIDEN, HEAVEN & HELL and the other great names in Heavy Metal from the old days "wrap it up and call it a day" will be the first day of the DEATH of Heavy Metal. There is no one to fill in their shoes.
As long as they have the health and the will to do so, I will applaud their perseverance to keep on playing live! Why not even release new albums from day to day?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I obviously have to agree with Necroticist,MG and Maple Syrup.....Nostradamus in my opinion was and forever will be a major "let-down" for traditional Judas Priest fans like us.
We are not saying that our opinions are the only right opinions,but one thing is for sure.....Nostradamus as a whole,in it's entirety is definately NOT A HEAVY METAL ALBUM.
The only album that is worse than Nostradamus is 1986's Turbo.And that aint saying much!
I think that the band's career in traditional heavy metal is "OVER". I think that the next LP is going to be just like Nostradamus,I could be wrong but I have NO FAITH in JUDAS PRIEST after thier decision to create Nostradamus.
I am not going to psych myself out for a killer new Priest album and then have the band "pull the rug out from underneath me again"....no way.
If I am wrong,I will admit it and say "I was wrong". But for now...I think that if the band does not deliver a traditional british heavy metal album,then they should wrap it up and call it a day.
| | | Necroticist wrote: | | | and what a let-down that day was....not gonna argue but that is my least fave JP moment.... |
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| [DelivererofEvil] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:22:23 PM | |
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People, people, people....
Throughout this whole discussion you keep forgetting something quite vital, and I really can make it without shitty comments as I am not attacking anyone or anything, and I say this before getting down to business so there are no misunderstandings!
Now.
The PRIEST are human beings, not a machine, even if we sometimes like to think of them like that. We all are perfectly entitled to have our opinion and our personal likes and dislikes in a band with such a vast and different discography.
As human beings that they are, they are forced by nature to be curious to try something different. I won't say TURBO was a genuine attempt at it since there was a lot of commercial intention behind it, and I for one don't hold grudges against it. After all, why not? They could afford to, they ventured into that area then came back to their "Home Style".
They are entitled to experiment with new things, and one thing we can be sure of is that NOT one. ONE. Priest album sounds the same as any other by them, they're all unique. Even Defenders is faster and more aggressive and less poppy driven than Screaming was, and those are deemed to be the closest PRIEST albums. This bringsall the way to 2008. After 40 years of history, a break-up and a reunion, I think it only logical that after Angel of Retribution (a very solid heavy metal record and hell of a lot more consistent than Painkiller with great rockers instread of going in all guns blazing) they would think of doing something they'd never done before. It's part of them as a band and it really shouldn't come as that much a surprise that the PRIEST would do something crazy on the next album.
Nostradamus came out a conceptual album. Fair enough, not the best conceptual album ever. Nevertheless it was an evolution in the Judas Priest sound, they experimented with orchestrations and harmonies and a more operatic approach. Let me tell you this: I think we as fans ought to be proud that even 40 years on, they still strive to inovate instead of sticking to the same formulae like many preach they should.
Don't get me wrong here: I don't want them going non-metal or into psychedelic and progressive realms. Nostradamus, for all it's "conceptuality" is still definately a heavy Metal album. Listen to Pestilence & Plague, Persecution, Alone, Visions, Nostradamus and Future of Mankind. You might not LIKE it, and that's fair enough! But it IS Heavy Metal, and while it isn't as traditional as AoR was, it definately isn't soppy Power Metal or Hard Rock.
It is JUDAS PRIEST. Love it or hate it. They have nothing left to prove to anyone.
That said there's a quote I'd like to do:
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I think that the band's career in traditional heavy metal is "OVER". I think that the next LP is going to be just like Nostradamus,I could be wrong but I have NO FAITH in JUDAS PRIEST after their decision to create Nostradamus.
I couldn't disagree more with those words, and I believe you didn't mean it like it came out.
JUDAS PRIEST cannot be dissociated from Heavy Metal. Not just because they invented it, that would be holding out to former glories. It's because they still are the embodiment of Heavy Metal. They're still playing the shows, playing their classics, and they've still got it in them to keep on going.
If I am wrong,I will admit it and say "I was wrong". But for now...I think that if the band does not deliver a traditional british heavy metal album,then they should wrap it up and call it a day.
J.D., that is being extremist, and I think I've let you know that we aren't that different when it comes to our approach of new things. Nostradamus isn't a straight rocker, it isn't a traditional metal album. That doesn't mean Judas Priest are OVER and done with, quite on the contrary. It proves that there's still some flicker of creativity in them! Nostradamus didn't come out traditional, but if it had other people would have said "Bah, those Judas Priest, always doing the same thing over and over and over"
You can never please everybody. But what you can and they're doing is spread the FAITH in old school Heavy Metal with a set that is 16 songs long not just the 2 Nostradamus ones.
Furthermore, the day PRIEST wraps it up and calls it a day, you'll be taking a large chunk of the breath left in the Heavy Metal movement. The day PRIEST, MAIDEN, HEAVEN & HELL and the other great names in Heavy Metal from the old days "wrap it up and call it a day" will be the first day of the DEATH of Heavy Metal. There is no one to fill in their shoes.
As long as they have the health and the will to do so, I will applaud their perseverance to keep on playing live! Why not even release new albums from day to day?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:43:21 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I obviously have to agree with Necroticist,MG and Maple Syrup.....Nostradamus in my opinion was and forever will be a major "let-down" for traditional Judas Priest fans like us.
We are not saying that our opinions are the only right opinions,but one thing is for sure.....Nostradamus as a whole,in it's entirety is definately NOT A HEAVY METAL ALBUM.
The only album that is worse than Nostradamus is 1986's Turbo.And that aint saying much!
I think that the band's career in traditional heavy metal is "OVER". I think that the next LP is going to be just like Nostradamus,I could be wrong but I have NO FAITH in JUDAS PRIEST after thier decision to create Nostradamus.
I am not going to psych myself out for a killer new Priest album and then have the band "pull the rug out from underneath me again"....no way.
If I am wrong,I will admit it and say "I was wrong". But for now...I think that if the band does not deliver a traditional british heavy metal album,then they should wrap it up and call it a day.
| | | Necroticist wrote: | | | and what a let-down that day was....not gonna argue but that is my least fave JP moment.... |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:21:15 PM | |
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I understand your point of view and respect them. I am different,I can't stand it when Priest "does something different". That is "boring to me".
Take the magnificent band "SAXON". Yes they have horrible albums from the mid-1980's but they have got wise and have been giving traditional heavy metal fans total killer british heavy metal albums for a consistant 14 years with 7 straight kick ass albums in there.
1995- Dogs Of War
1997-Unleash The Beast
1999-Metalhead
2001-Killing Ground
2004-Lionheart
2007-The Inner Sanctum
2009-Into The labyrinth
All "7 albums" are consistant and each album IS NOT like each other,no way....but they all have the same killer traditional british heavy metal way just like Angel Of Retribution has.
We all have different opinions yes,and I have learned to respect them but coming from a heavy metal band in Judas Priest...the majority of long-time fans deserve better than an "experimental album".
To me,it is "selfish" of Judas Priest to keep "teasing us long time traditional british heavy metal fans" with experimental albums such as Turbo,Demolition and Nostradamus.
If the band does not like playing heavy metal,then I would rather see them retire.
But I do see your points of view and how the band can do whatever they want....I just wish for me and millions of "traditional heavy metal fans" it was'nt Judas Priest who wishes to do this.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:19:08 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | I don't mind Nostradamus, granted like you said JD it's not a traditional JP metal album, but I try to take each album as it comes. Plus with musicians, I don't think you can ever truly guess what is going to come out next - we've heard your stories of when Turbo came out many times LOL! For me personally, if every single album of a band that I like, JP or otherwise, was straight out of the same stock truck as the last, I could end up getting a little bored. For me JPs albums, while obviously having the same kind of muscial depth etc, have all been different in subtle enough ways to keep things fresh (yes except Turbo which came a bit out of leftfield LMAO). I have no objections to JP testing the waters with a concept album. Maybe it was a screw up, for some people it was. But isn't experimentation and pushing boundaries what a heavy metal band is about? In part at least anyways. Like I said, I take each album as it comes and try not to have high expectations (not saying you are or anything JD) - I have been stung for having high expectations before with movies, like when I got dragged along to see The Lion The Witch And The Wardrobe LOL!
Anyways, just my two cents worth 
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I obviously have to agree with Necroticist,MG and Maple Syrup.....Nostradamus in my opinion was and forever will be a major "let-down" for traditional Judas Priest fans like us.
We are not saying that our opinions are the only right opinions,but one thing is for sure.....Nostradamus as a whole,in it's entirety is definately NOT A HEAVY METAL ALBUM.
The only album that is worse than Nostradamus is 1986's Turbo.And that aint saying much!
I think that the band's career in traditional heavy metal is "OVER". I think that the next LP is going to be just like Nostradamus,I could be wrong but I have NO FAITH in JUDAS PRIEST after thier decision to create Nostradamus.
I am not going to psych myself out for a killer new Priest album and then have the band "pull the rug out from underneath me again"....no way.
If I am wrong,I will admit it and say "I was wrong". But for now...I think that if the band does not deliver a traditional british heavy metal album,then they should wrap it up and call it a day.
| | | Necroticist wrote: | | | and what a let-down that day was....not gonna argue but that is my least fave JP moment.... |
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| [Becks] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:19:08 PM | |
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I don't mind Nostradamus, granted like you said JD it's not a traditional JP metal album, but I try to take each album as it comes. Plus with musicians, I don't think you can ever truly guess what is going to come out next - we've heard your stories of when Turbo came out many times LOL! For me personally, if every single album of a band that I like, JP or otherwise, was straight out of the same stock truck as the last, I could end up getting a little bored. For me JPs albums, while obviously having the same kind of muscial depth etc, have all been different in subtle enough ways to keep things fresh (yes except Turbo which came a bit out of leftfield LMAO). I have no objections to JP testing the waters with a concept album. Maybe it was a screw up, for some people it was. But isn't experimentation and pushing boundaries what a heavy metal band is about? In part at least anyways. Like I said, I take each album as it comes and try not to have high expectations (not saying you are or anything JD) - I have been stung for having high expectations before with movies, like when I got dragged along to see The Lion The Witch And The Wardrobe LOL!
Anyways, just my two cents worth
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:43:21 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I obviously have to agree with Necroticist,MG and Maple Syrup.....Nostradamus in my opinion was and forever will be a major "let-down" for traditional Judas Priest fans like us.
We are not saying that our opinions are the only right opinions,but one thing is for sure.....Nostradamus as a whole,in it's entirety is definately NOT A HEAVY METAL ALBUM.
The only album that is worse than Nostradamus is 1986's Turbo.And that aint saying much!
I think that the band's career in traditional heavy metal is "OVER". I think that the next LP is going to be just like Nostradamus,I could be wrong but I have NO FAITH in JUDAS PRIEST after thier decision to create Nostradamus.
I am not going to psych myself out for a killer new Priest album and then have the band "pull the rug out from underneath me again"....no way.
If I am wrong,I will admit it and say "I was wrong". But for now...I think that if the band does not deliver a traditional british heavy metal album,then they should wrap it up and call it a day.
| | | Necroticist wrote: | | | and what a let-down that day was....not gonna argue but that is my least fave JP moment.... |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:43:21 PM | |
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I obviously have to agree with Necroticist,MG and Maple Syrup.....Nostradamus in my opinion was and forever will be a major "let-down" for traditional Judas Priest fans like us.
We are not saying that our opinions are the only right opinions,but one thing is for sure.....Nostradamus as a whole,in it's entirety is definately NOT A HEAVY METAL ALBUM.
The only album that is worse than Nostradamus is 1986's Turbo.And that aint saying much!
I think that the band's career in traditional heavy metal is "OVER". I think that the next LP is going to be just like Nostradamus,I could be wrong but I have NO FAITH in JUDAS PRIEST after thier decision to create Nostradamus.
I am not going to psych myself out for a killer new Priest album and then have the band "pull the rug out from underneath me again"....no way.
If I am wrong,I will admit it and say "I was wrong". But for now...I think that if the band does not deliver a traditional british heavy metal album,then they should wrap it up and call it a day.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Necroticist from Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:23:55 AM)| | | Necroticist wrote: | | | and what a let-down that day was....not gonna argue but that is my least fave JP moment.... |
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| [Maple Syrup] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:35:27 AM | |
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| I am gonna agree with Necro here and state that NSTRDMS was a disappointment as well. Too long, interludes intros blah blah blah. Hardly any substance of Priest HM were used to. They missed badly on this one. Also, there has been a lot of BS about it being the highest chart topper for Priest upon its release (#12 in the US or something).. we all know that it dropped like a bag of cement upon its release. Furthermore, Priest made a buisness decision not to play it live in its entirety, which is telling. Too much drivel and hogwash... Sorry but I dont belive in the NSTDMS release.. MpleSyrp |
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:03:29 AM | |
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LMAO... Iam not keen the album myself.... A few songs I like ..
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Necroticist from Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:23:55 AM)| | | Necroticist wrote: | | | and what a let-down that day was....not gonna argue but that is my least fave JP moment.... |
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| [Necroticist] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:23:55 AM | |
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| and what a let-down that day was....not gonna argue but that is my least fave JP moment.... |
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| [screaming_4_priest] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:15:36 AM | |
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| does not seem that long ago, been listning to it ever since so much, but it was a year ago today they realesed the Nostradamus track to us. seems like just yesterday. |
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