I live in Belgium and I wouldn't say that drinking over here is more popular than smoking pot. I think it's more the opposite, especially among the younger generation. Marijuana is very accesible over here. It was everywhere when I was in highschool. Some of my classmates were high while they were attending classes. The teachers didn't seem to care. One classmate actually smoked pot right before he had an oral exam, so he would relax. He did that everytime and passed. LOL!

I think most of the marijuana over here is homegrown stuff. It's also a fact that the marijuana that is cultivated in Europe today is much stronger than the marijuana people used over here in the 1960's and 1970's. I know many people who decided to quit using marijuana soon after they started the habit. A dude I know quit after he realized that smoking pot was making him paranoid. Everytime he was high he thought that some folks would plunder his town and burn his house down. I know many people who quit smoking pot because of similar experiences.

Another drug that is becoming increasingly popular over here is cocaine. It's entering the continent via the harbours of Antwerp and Rotterdam. It used to be the drug of the rich and famous, but now it's also affecting the working class because it has become cheaper. 

I have never used pot or any other drug. I just never cared for it. Hell, I've never even smoked cigarettes. The only thing I ever did was getting drunk just once after drinking large quantities of cheap wine. It happened years ago, but I remember that I felt really sick and that I had to throw up. It was the first time I used alcohol, but it was also the last time I used it. I immediatly realized that this is not for me.

Yeah I agree. I have never seen people hurting one another or putting anyone at unnecessary risk or crash a car because of it....good point.

Smoking "good" pot is so much more relaxing than drinking to me but thats just for my own personal taste...others may have a drink to get there.

		Becks wrote:
		LOL Yeah in England social drinking in pubs is a big thing - and since NZ is a commonwealth nation (colonised by the British) it's the same here. My sister lives in London (in Whitechapel, now that place has a colourful history haha) and earlier this year we went to meet her at her flat at about 8am, and there was drunk dudes on the road singing 'I'm numero uno!' errrr yeah keep telling yourself that buddy! LOL!. And in Paris a drunk guy tried to pick a fight with me, lol! It's actually kinda sad to see how these people have become slaves to 'the demon drink'. As for pot - as long as whoever is doing it isn't hurting other people or putting anyone at unnecessary risk, it doesn't really bother me that much. It's the same with booze. So long as whoever is using it is being responsible etc, sweet as.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: Becks wrote:  "But I would say drinking is far and away the most popular recreational 'drug' activity here. By a long shot." Yeah Becks...thats what I kinda figured.Its like that over in England as well as other Europe countries.  I do know that here in Seattle...smoking pot is very acceptable and seems to be just as popular as alcohol. Sometimes...maybe even more popular than alcohol.         Becks wrote: Attitudes to alcohol are a bit too liberal here. By liberal I mean it's accepted as a 'cool' thing to do by too many parts of society. Hell, I drink, but very rarely, and I know when to stop. There was a young guy in my home province who died (can't remember exactly how, but it was alcohol related). His mates still go to his grave to drink, and leave him bottles of spirits. Some people never learn sadly. Apparently per capita NZ is pretty high up there for marijuana use. But with a small country, per capita stuff always makes things seem really 'bad' LOL! I know plenty of people who never use it, but others will know plenty of people who do. But I would say drinking is far and away the most popular recreational 'drug' activity here. By a long shot.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: A casket carried out of a "church" with..."beer labels on it"???  Wow...you would NEVER see that in the U.S.A........not saying that I would like to see that...but just saying that I don't think they would even allow that over here. And yeah.....what kind of a message is that sendijng to other teens out there who are beginning to drink?  Not a smart move on thier part thats for sure.  Drinking and driving is the worst thing you can do in life no questions. And I think "marijuana"  is not that popular in New Zealand is it Becks? It seems that in Europe....drinking is the #1 thing to do or #1 choice over marijuana.   Also.....not everywhere in the world do you get "quality" marijuna. I know in Denver Colorado over here in the states.....the marijuna is absolutely "shit" and its nothing more than home grown dirt weed is what we like to call it.My girlfriend is from Denver so she knows. I live in Seattle Washington and here we are known for some of the best marijuna in the whole U.S.A. ....sometimes its hard to find but not that often......everywhere we go we always run into great marijuna! But that might be why some countries don't smoke as much weed because it sucks and I wouldn't smoke dirt shit weed either...if thats all I had to smoke than I would quit. I am an "addict" because if I don't smoke weed for a couple of days I am an asshole! LOL! Hey...at least I admit it.    I guess I am an alcoholic too, but "choose not to drink".      Becks wrote: Alcohol abuse and drunk drivers are two of the things that piss me off more than anything! Can't comment on pot, never tried it (never interested me personally LOL). But yeah, especially among teenagers here, alcohol abuse/binge drinking is rife. There was a crash in another part of the country recently where 3 young men died (one was only 16). Their families were saying the weren't what we call boy racers (young guys who do up their cars, and spend their evenings driving around being assholes). They also engage is risky behaviour such as drinking and driving. Which is why many eyebrows were raised when a picture was published of the 16 year olds casket being carried out of church, COVERED in beer labels. WTF sort of message is that sending about alcohol!      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: Yes...alcohol is far more dangerous than smoking pot.  I don't care if pot gets legalized but I would like to see them "decriminalize" pot. That is what they should do. But going back to alcohol....yes it is way more serious and dangerous than pot.  Have somebody drink a fifth of alcohol and have someone else smoke an eighth of weed and see wich one drives better! lol! I'd take the guy that just smoked an eighth than the drunk stumbling idiot that just drank the fifth!!      Dissident Deceiver wrote: Mushrooms... LOL! Believe it or not, but mushrooms used to be legal in Holland. You could buy them in special drugstores. It became illegal about a year ago after a few individuals jumped off a bridge after they had used mushrooms.  Did you know that alcohol is a harddrug? It's far more dangerous than pot.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: Yeah thats for me too.....I love smoking "good" buds.....and up here in Washington State...we have some of the best............ And yeah people who smoke weed and do nothing all day and do nothing in life should give it up........its a waste for them. I don't look a smoking pot as doing drugs. I've done "drugs" and pot is a "joke".  I used to sniff crystal meth....and some  cocaine....... I used to take acid in the 80's....I've done mushrooms,synthetic heroin......but that is in the past.....the last time I did any drugs was the summer of 1995.....14 years ago!!   So all I do now is simply smoke my weed and I am happy! LOL!  No alcohol though!!!      Sinner Rider wrote: Funny.. that is my choice as well.. I'm what you call an active pothead. I still clean my house, cook everynight and walk my dogs all while enjoying some good green.  I will enjoy beer and wine and sometimes for birthdays and New years, I get wasted. I wake up feeling like crap and ask myself why I did that..  Much more enjoyable with Mary Jane..      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: I don't drink "at all".    I smoke pot though...have since I was 15 and I'm 39 now.   Pot over alchohol anyday. And I am NOT one of these burned out stoners who can't think for chist's sake....weed has no slouching effect on me whatsoever. But I am done dealing with people who absuse alchohol..........one word for them.................."GROWN THE FUCK UP".      Sinner Rider wrote: Couldn't agree more... I almost walked out of the bar job cause I was so sick of stupid wasted people. And stupid men hitting on me, that would start at about 8pm... 2am and the same dude is sitting at the bar still trying to take me home... I'm the cut off queen at the bar.. if they look too drunk or keep bothering me. I would just cut them off. I'm very glad that I don't work there! Its been just 2 weeks and my house is clean again and I get laundry done, plus I get to spend time with my dogs.. One full time job is enough!  Hey I will drink beer or wine.. just not in large quanties...      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: I don't mind if someone has a casual drink or two....but I am SICK of dealing with "drunk people".....I don't deal with drunk people to often,but even once a year is too much for me. I'm "DONE" with alchoholic people.   Take your booze and go F#*# yourselves with it.      Sinner Rider wrote: Funny that is exact reason I just quite my 2nd job as a bartender. Almost 4 years in a biker bar, and I called it quits. I'm very sick of drunk people.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:  "ALCOHOLISM".               I am fucking sick and fucking tired of "drunks".....people getting "fucked up" that can't handle it. If you want to ruin your life,......go ahead...just leave me the fuck out of it. I'm so tired of people that drink..... J.D. hasn't had a drink in over 2 years now and I don't EVER plan on having one for the rest of my life.

Becks wrote:  "But I would say drinking is far and away the most popular recreational 'drug' activity here. By a long shot."


Yeah Becks...thats what I kinda figured.Its like that over in England as well as other Europe countries. 

I do know that here in Seattle...smoking pot is very acceptable and seems to be just as popular as alcohol.

Sometimes...maybe even more popular than alcohol.
  

		Becks wrote:
		Attitudes to alcohol are a bit too liberal here. By liberal I mean it's accepted as a 'cool' thing to do by too many parts of society. Hell, I drink, but very rarely, and I know when to stop. There was a young guy in my home province who died (can't remember exactly how, but it was alcohol related). His mates still go to his grave to drink, and leave him bottles of spirits. Some people never learn sadly. Apparently per capita NZ is pretty high up there for marijuana use. But with a small country, per capita stuff always makes things seem really 'bad' LOL! I know plenty of people who never use it, but others will know plenty of people who do. But I would say drinking is far and away the most popular recreational 'drug' activity here. By a long shot.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: A casket carried out of a "church" with..."beer labels on it"???  Wow...you would NEVER see that in the U.S.A........not saying that I would like to see that...but just saying that I don't think they would even allow that over here. And yeah.....what kind of a message is that sendijng to other teens out there who are beginning to drink?  Not a smart move on thier part thats for sure.  Drinking and driving is the worst thing you can do in life no questions. And I think "marijuana"  is not that popular in New Zealand is it Becks? It seems that in Europe....drinking is the #1 thing to do or #1 choice over marijuana.   Also.....not everywhere in the world do you get "quality" marijuna. I know in Denver Colorado over here in the states.....the marijuna is absolutely "shit" and its nothing more than home grown dirt weed is what we like to call it.My girlfriend is from Denver so she knows. I live in Seattle Washington and here we are known for some of the best marijuna in the whole U.S.A. ....sometimes its hard to find but not that often......everywhere we go we always run into great marijuna! But that might be why some countries don't smoke as much weed because it sucks and I wouldn't smoke dirt shit weed either...if thats all I had to smoke than I would quit. I am an "addict" because if I don't smoke weed for a couple of days I am an asshole! LOL! Hey...at least I admit it.    I guess I am an alcoholic too, but "choose not to drink".      Becks wrote: Alcohol abuse and drunk drivers are two of the things that piss me off more than anything! Can't comment on pot, never tried it (never interested me personally LOL). But yeah, especially among teenagers here, alcohol abuse/binge drinking is rife. There was a crash in another part of the country recently where 3 young men died (one was only 16). Their families were saying the weren't what we call boy racers (young guys who do up their cars, and spend their evenings driving around being assholes). They also engage is risky behaviour such as drinking and driving. Which is why many eyebrows were raised when a picture was published of the 16 year olds casket being carried out of church, COVERED in beer labels. WTF sort of message is that sending about alcohol!      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: Yes...alcohol is far more dangerous than smoking pot.  I don't care if pot gets legalized but I would like to see them "decriminalize" pot. That is what they should do. But going back to alcohol....yes it is way more serious and dangerous than pot.  Have somebody drink a fifth of alcohol and have someone else smoke an eighth of weed and see wich one drives better! lol! I'd take the guy that just smoked an eighth than the drunk stumbling idiot that just drank the fifth!!      Dissident Deceiver wrote: Mushrooms... LOL! Believe it or not, but mushrooms used to be legal in Holland. You could buy them in special drugstores. It became illegal about a year ago after a few individuals jumped off a bridge after they had used mushrooms.  Did you know that alcohol is a harddrug? It's far more dangerous than pot.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: Yeah thats for me too.....I love smoking "good" buds.....and up here in Washington State...we have some of the best............ And yeah people who smoke weed and do nothing all day and do nothing in life should give it up........its a waste for them. I don't look a smoking pot as doing drugs. I've done "drugs" and pot is a "joke".  I used to sniff crystal meth....and some  cocaine....... I used to take acid in the 80's....I've done mushrooms,synthetic heroin......but that is in the past.....the last time I did any drugs was the summer of 1995.....14 years ago!!   So all I do now is simply smoke my weed and I am happy! LOL!  No alcohol though!!!      Sinner Rider wrote: Funny.. that is my choice as well.. I'm what you call an active pothead. I still clean my house, cook everynight and walk my dogs all while enjoying some good green.  I will enjoy beer and wine and sometimes for birthdays and New years, I get wasted. I wake up feeling like crap and ask myself why I did that..  Much more enjoyable with Mary Jane..      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: I don't drink "at all".    I smoke pot though...have since I was 15 and I'm 39 now.   Pot over alchohol anyday. And I am NOT one of these burned out stoners who can't think for chist's sake....weed has no slouching effect on me whatsoever. But I am done dealing with people who absuse alchohol..........one word for them.................."GROWN THE FUCK UP".      Sinner Rider wrote: Couldn't agree more... I almost walked out of the bar job cause I was so sick of stupid wasted people. And stupid men hitting on me, that would start at about 8pm... 2am and the same dude is sitting at the bar still trying to take me home... I'm the cut off queen at the bar.. if they look too drunk or keep bothering me. I would just cut them off. I'm very glad that I don't work there! Its been just 2 weeks and my house is clean again and I get laundry done, plus I get to spend time with my dogs.. One full time job is enough!  Hey I will drink beer or wine.. just not in large quanties...      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: I don't mind if someone has a casual drink or two....but I am SICK of dealing with "drunk people".....I don't deal with drunk people to often,but even once a year is too much for me. I'm "DONE" with alchoholic people.   Take your booze and go F#*# yourselves with it.      Sinner Rider wrote: Funny that is exact reason I just quite my 2nd job as a bartender. Almost 4 years in a biker bar, and I called it quits. I'm very sick of drunk people.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:  "ALCOHOLISM".               I am fucking sick and fucking tired of "drunks".....people getting "fucked up" that can't handle it. If you want to ruin your life,......go ahead...just leave me the fuck out of it. I'm so tired of people that drink..... J.D. hasn't had a drink in over 2 years now and I don't EVER plan on having one for the rest of my life.

A casket carried out of a "church" with..."beer labels on it"???  Wow...you would NEVER see that in the U.S.A........not saying that I would like to see that...but just saying that I don't think they would even allow that over here.

And yeah.....what kind of a message is that sendijng to other teens out there who are beginning to drink?  Not a smart move on thier part thats for sure.  Drinking and driving is the worst thing you can do in life no questions.

And I think "marijuana"  is not that popular in New Zealand is it Becks? It seems that in Europe....drinking is the #1 thing to do or #1 choice over marijuana.   Also.....not everywhere in the world do you get "quality" marijuna.

I know in Denver Colorado over here in the states.....the marijuna is absolutely "shit" and its nothing more than home grown dirt weed is what we like to call it.My girlfriend is from Denver so she knows.

I live in Seattle Washington and here we are known for some of the best marijuna in the whole U.S.A. ....sometimes its hard to find but not that often......everywhere we go we always run into great marijuna!

But that might be why some countries don't smoke as much weed because it sucks and I wouldn't smoke dirt shit weed either...if thats all I had to smoke than I would quit.

I am an "addict" because if I don't smoke weed for a couple of days I am an asshole! LOL! Hey...at least I admit it.    I guess I am an alcoholic too, but "choose not to drink".

		Becks wrote:
		Alcohol abuse and drunk drivers are two of the things that piss me off more than anything! Can't comment on pot, never tried it (never interested me personally LOL). But yeah, especially among teenagers here, alcohol abuse/binge drinking is rife. There was a crash in another part of the country recently where 3 young men died (one was only 16). Their families were saying the weren't what we call boy racers (young guys who do up their cars, and spend their evenings driving around being assholes). They also engage is risky behaviour such as drinking and driving. Which is why many eyebrows were raised when a picture was published of the 16 year olds casket being carried out of church, COVERED in beer labels. WTF sort of message is that sending about alcohol!      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: Yes...alcohol is far more dangerous than smoking pot.  I don't care if pot gets legalized but I would like to see them "decriminalize" pot. That is what they should do. But going back to alcohol....yes it is way more serious and dangerous than pot.  Have somebody drink a fifth of alcohol and have someone else smoke an eighth of weed and see wich one drives better! lol! I'd take the guy that just smoked an eighth than the drunk stumbling idiot that just drank the fifth!!      Dissident Deceiver wrote: Mushrooms... LOL! Believe it or not, but mushrooms used to be legal in Holland. You could buy them in special drugstores. It became illegal about a year ago after a few individuals jumped off a bridge after they had used mushrooms.  Did you know that alcohol is a harddrug? It's far more dangerous than pot.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: Yeah thats for me too.....I love smoking "good" buds.....and up here in Washington State...we have some of the best............ And yeah people who smoke weed and do nothing all day and do nothing in life should give it up........its a waste for them. I don't look a smoking pot as doing drugs. I've done "drugs" and pot is a "joke".  I used to sniff crystal meth....and some  cocaine....... I used to take acid in the 80's....I've done mushrooms,synthetic heroin......but that is in the past.....the last time I did any drugs was the summer of 1995.....14 years ago!!   So all I do now is simply smoke my weed and I am happy! LOL!  No alcohol though!!!      Sinner Rider wrote: Funny.. that is my choice as well.. I'm what you call an active pothead. I still clean my house, cook everynight and walk my dogs all while enjoying some good green.  I will enjoy beer and wine and sometimes for birthdays and New years, I get wasted. I wake up feeling like crap and ask myself why I did that..  Much more enjoyable with Mary Jane..      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: I don't drink "at all".    I smoke pot though...have since I was 15 and I'm 39 now.   Pot over alchohol anyday. And I am NOT one of these burned out stoners who can't think for chist's sake....weed has no slouching effect on me whatsoever. But I am done dealing with people who absuse alchohol..........one word for them.................."GROWN THE FUCK UP".      Sinner Rider wrote: Couldn't agree more... I almost walked out of the bar job cause I was so sick of stupid wasted people. And stupid men hitting on me, that would start at about 8pm... 2am and the same dude is sitting at the bar still trying to take me home... I'm the cut off queen at the bar.. if they look too drunk or keep bothering me. I would just cut them off. I'm very glad that I don't work there! Its been just 2 weeks and my house is clean again and I get laundry done, plus I get to spend time with my dogs.. One full time job is enough!  Hey I will drink beer or wine.. just not in large quanties...      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: I don't mind if someone has a casual drink or two....but I am SICK of dealing with "drunk people".....I don't deal with drunk people to often,but even once a year is too much for me. I'm "DONE" with alchoholic people.   Take your booze and go F#*# yourselves with it.      Sinner Rider wrote: Funny that is exact reason I just quite my 2nd job as a bartender. Almost 4 years in a biker bar, and I called it quits. I'm very sick of drunk people.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:  "ALCOHOLISM".               I am fucking sick and fucking tired of "drunks".....people getting "fucked up" that can't handle it. If you want to ruin your life,......go ahead...just leave me the fuck out of it. I'm so tired of people that drink..... J.D. hasn't had a drink in over 2 years now and I don't EVER plan on having one for the rest of my life.

I don't drink "at all".    I smoke pot though...have since I was 15 and I'm 39 now.   Pot over alchohol anyday.

And I am NOT one of these burned out stoners who can't think for chist's sake....weed has no slouching effect on me whatsoever.

But I am done dealing with people who absuse alchohol..........one word for them.................."GROWN THE FUCK UP".

		Sinner Rider wrote:
		Couldn't agree more... I almost walked out of the bar job cause I was so sick of stupid wasted people. And stupid men hitting on me, that would start at about 8pm... 2am and the same dude is sitting at the bar still trying to take me home... I'm the cut off queen at the bar.. if they look too drunk or keep bothering me. I would just cut them off. I'm very glad that I don't work there! Its been just 2 weeks and my house is clean again and I get laundry done, plus I get to spend time with my dogs.. One full time job is enough!  Hey I will drink beer or wine.. just not in large quanties...      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: I don't mind if someone has a casual drink or two....but I am SICK of dealing with "drunk people".....I don't deal with drunk people to often,but even once a year is too much for me. I'm "DONE" with alchoholic people.   Take your booze and go F#*# yourselves with it.      Sinner Rider wrote: Funny that is exact reason I just quite my 2nd job as a bartender. Almost 4 years in a biker bar, and I called it quits. I'm very sick of drunk people.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:  "ALCOHOLISM".               I am fucking sick and fucking tired of "drunks".....people getting "fucked up" that can't handle it. If you want to ruin your life,......go ahead...just leave me the fuck out of it. I'm so tired of people that drink..... J.D. hasn't had a drink in over 2 years now and I don't EVER plan on having one for the rest of my life.

I don't mind if someone has a casual drink or two....but I am SICK of dealing with "drunk people".....I don't deal with drunk people to often,but even once a year is too much for me.

I'm "DONE" with alchoholic people.   Take your booze and go F#*# yourselves with it.

		Sinner Rider wrote:
		Funny that is exact reason I just quite my 2nd job as a bartender. Almost 4 years in a biker bar, and I called it quits. I'm very sick of drunk people.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:  "ALCOHOLISM".               I am fucking sick and fucking tired of "drunks".....people getting "fucked up" that can't handle it. If you want to ruin your life,......go ahead...just leave me the fuck out of it. I'm so tired of people that drink..... J.D. hasn't had a drink in over 2 years now and I don't EVER plan on having one for the rest of my life.

That must have been hard for  ur mom ,knowing her sis is living next door to her..sometimes its just a misunderstanding and all goes to hell...yea maybe one day theyll come around..

		spapad wrote:
		The really sad part is, my Aunt live's next door to my Mother, she moved down there and bought some land off Mom to build her home on. This all started with My Uncle's death from Prostate cancer, my Aunt and He lived with my Mother for almost two years while her house was being constructed, and then, without going into details, everything went downhill. Imagine living next door to your own sister and not speaking to her for 15 years. It took ten years for her other siblings to come to their senses and start talking to her again. And, because it was My Mom, after about five years of this crap I called my Uncle up and read him the riot act over the family's behavior, I had enough it! Well, you know the saying, I can talk shit about my family but I'll kill ya if you do! LOL It's true, they piss us off, but somehow we do hope for resolve eventually.      LadyBathory9 wrote: Sorry for u Spa..Me too with my sis/bro ..we were very closed when we were young but all change when our mother died..maybe theyre bitter or something...iDK...      spapad wrote: On my Mother's side of the family we were all very close growing up and had family reunions every two years at one of their houses, and then there was a rift and my Mother bore the brunt of her older sister's accusations, which were unfounded, and it stayed ugly for many years, I spoke with my estranged Aunt for the first time in over 15 years last year at the funneral of my Great Aunt. First time I had seen anyone from My Mother's side of the family for many years.    (Quoting Message by LadyBathory9 from Thursday, July 09, 2009 6:37:00 PM)   LadyBathory9 wrote:   Do you think they really want to change??I wonder??Only they know the answers i guess...      ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:   I know,, Its almost like being stalked only diff  you are related to them..  and its illegal to shoot them..  We have a few in our family,, that if I never saw/spoke to again for rest of my/ or their life  .. wouldnt bother me one bit.  Its a hard thing to deal with I keep looking back at the way things were hoping someday they will be that way again.. But I set myself up for disappointment everytime....  But I try to hang on too wishful thinking. Hoping one day they will change and actually care about someone, not how much they are worth.      LadyBathory9 wrote:   Thanks Girls and HI! Becks...what i dont get is i know how the outcome will be..i  only go for my dad ..am thinking  well maybe this time, they really want to mend...but its me whos fooling myself with wishfull thinking.. I dont think we'll get away from family ever MG..      ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:   I am completley with you, on this issue,,, its funny how no-one seems to care until they think they are going to loose out on money ect.... The will...  so to speak..   I have seem people actually fight at funerals.. on one side of our family..  Its a struggle,  and yes I agree  ... I wish we could pick family..  if we could 80% of mine would be out the fricken door.. I had to laugh My cousin..  was pissed off at his Uncle over some fishing boat parts.... they are commercial fishermen. and he said to him.... well I guess in your opinion.. if you cant shit on family then who else can you shit on that is going to take it.. LMAO Ahhhhh  Yess   family.... I have spent most of my adult life getting away from them.. LMAO      LadyBathory9 wrote:   HI! Spa...i needed to vent  out my frustration ...got a called from my bro/sis..long time didnt heard from them..they wanted to make peace and everything..but what they only wanted was to see if our dad done his testament (its me whos looking after him).. when i didnt give them an answer..well they climbed all over me..dont have to tell u anymore,i think u got the picture..I told them to F..K off and dont ever called me again.. Why cant we pick our family like we do with friends... Edited at: Thursday, July 09, 2009 6:43:14 PM

Thanx Becks..i am..but its sad to think of it..Family should stick together..specially  sisters and brother..

		Becks wrote:
		That's a good thing to remember Lady B - they're the ones missing out. You're doing a great job by your father by the sounds of it!      LadyBathory9 wrote: Its the same thing with my father ...always trying to protect him from them,it gets to u sometimes...And Thanx for the kinds words..i know i do all the best for him..Its them whos missing all that..      ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote: In my family I have tolfd people how they have hurt me,, and they always have some excuse because they are in denial.. and do not want to adnitt their mistakes... I on the other hand .. have always taken action in telling people what led me to think things about them, and why... because I know I have been wrong at times.. but I have never denied it.. I have even done with people out here on the notice board, and admitted my wrong assumption of things, But I apologized for it lso,,, I have never heard a apology from my Family..  They just blow it off.. and think all will be forgiven..   Iam glad Iam not them.. and That id the part I keep and hold on too.. knowing I TRULEY do and am the ONE that cares,,, what they say and think doesnt matter... ( It took my 30+ years to get to this point. LOL) And Iam still some-what sane..   But yes I know its a pain the ass to protect the people you love... I feel like Iam walking downtown trying to shield grandma from geting Mugged, everytime these people are around..  At least you have the dignity of knowning you are doing the right thing.. dont ever forget that! Hugs MG~      LadyBathory9 wrote: Do you think they really want to change??I wonder??Only they know the answers i guess...      ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote: I know,, Its almost like being stalked only diff  you are related to them..  and its illegal to shoot them..  We have a few in our family,, that if I never saw/spoke to again for rest of my/ or their life  .. wouldnt bother me one bit.  Its a hard thing to deal with I keep looking back at the way things were hoping someday they will be that way again.. But I set myself up for disappointment everytime....  But I try to hang on too wishful thinking. Hoping one day they will change and actually care about someone, not how much they are worth.      LadyBathory9 wrote: Thanks Girls and HI! Becks...what i dont get is i know how the outcome will be..i  only go for my dad ..am thinking  well maybe this time, they really want to mend...but its me whos fooling myself with wishfull thinking.. I dont think we'll get away from family ever MG..      ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote: I am completley with you, on this issue,,, its funny how no-one seems to care until they think they are going to loose out on money ect.... The will...  so to speak..   I have seem people actually fight at funerals.. on one side of our family..  Its a struggle,  and yes I agree  ... I wish we could pick family..  if we could 80% of mine would be out the fricken door.. I had to laugh My cousin..  was pissed off at his Uncle over some fishing boat parts.... they are commercial fishermen. and he said to him.... well I guess in your opinion.. if you cant shit on family then who else can you shit on that is going to take it.. LMAO Ahhhhh  Yess   family.... I have spent most of my adult life getting away from them.. LMAO      LadyBathory9 wrote: HI! Spa...i needed to vent  out my frustration ...got a called from my bro/sis..long time didnt heard from them..they wanted to make peace and everything..but what they only wanted was to see if our dad done his testament (its me whos looking after him).. when i didnt give them an answer..well they climbed all over me..dont have to tell u anymore,i think u got the picture..I told them to F..K off and dont ever called me again.. Why cant we pick our family like we do with friends...

Its the same thing with my father ...always trying to protect him from them,it gets to u sometimes...And Thanx for the kinds words..i know i do all the best for him..Its them whos missing all that..

		~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
		In my family I have tolfd people how they have hurt me,, and they always have some excuse because they are in denial.. and do not want to adnitt their mistakes... I on the other hand .. have always taken action in telling people what led me to think things about them, and why... because I know I have been wrong at times.. but I have never denied it.. I have even done with people out here on the notice board, and admitted my wrong assumption of things, But I apologized for it lso,,, I have never heard a apology from my Family..  They just blow it off.. and think all will be forgiven..   Iam glad Iam not them.. and That id the part I keep and hold on too.. knowing I TRULEY do and am the ONE that cares,,, what they say and think doesnt matter... ( It took my 30+ years to get to this point. LOL) And Iam still some-what sane..   But yes I know its a pain the ass to protect the people you love... I feel like Iam walking downtown trying to shield grandma from geting Mugged, everytime these people are around..  At least you have the dignity of knowning you are doing the right thing.. dont ever forget that! Hugs MG~      LadyBathory9 wrote: Do you think they really want to change??I wonder??Only they know the answers i guess...      ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote: I know,, Its almost like being stalked only diff  you are related to them..  and its illegal to shoot them..  We have a few in our family,, that if I never saw/spoke to again for rest of my/ or their life  .. wouldnt bother me one bit.  Its a hard thing to deal with I keep looking back at the way things were hoping someday they will be that way again.. But I set myself up for disappointment everytime....  But I try to hang on too wishful thinking. Hoping one day they will change and actually care about someone, not how much they are worth.      LadyBathory9 wrote: Thanks Girls and HI! Becks...what i dont get is i know how the outcome will be..i  only go for my dad ..am thinking  well maybe this time, they really want to mend...but its me whos fooling myself with wishfull thinking.. I dont think we'll get away from family ever MG..      ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote: I am completley with you, on this issue,,, its funny how no-one seems to care until they think they are going to loose out on money ect.... The will...  so to speak..   I have seem people actually fight at funerals.. on one side of our family..  Its a struggle,  and yes I agree  ... I wish we could pick family..  if we could 80% of mine would be out the fricken door.. I had to laugh My cousin..  was pissed off at his Uncle over some fishing boat parts.... they are commercial fishermen. and he said to him.... well I guess in your opinion.. if you cant shit on family then who else can you shit on that is going to take it.. LMAO Ahhhhh  Yess   family.... I have spent most of my adult life getting away from them.. LMAO      LadyBathory9 wrote: HI! Spa...i needed to vent  out my frustration ...got a called from my bro/sis..long time didnt heard from them..they wanted to make peace and everything..but what they only wanted was to see if our dad done his testament (its me whos looking after him).. when i didnt give them an answer..well they climbed all over me..dont have to tell u anymore,i think u got the picture..I told them to F..K off and dont ever called me again.. Why cant we pick our family like we do with friends...

Sorry for u Spa..Me too with my sis/bro ..we were very closed when we were young but all change when our mother died..maybe theyre bitter or something...iDK...

		spapad wrote:
		On my Mother's side of the family we were all very close growing up and had family reunions every two years at one of their houses, and then there was a rift and my Mother bore the brunt of her older sister's accusations, which were unfounded, and it stayed ugly for many years, I spoke with my estranged Aunt for the first time in over 15 years last year at the funneral of my Great Aunt. First time I had seen anyone from My Mother's side of the family for many years.    (Quoting Message by LadyBathory9 from Thursday, July 09, 2009 6:37:00 PM)   LadyBathory9 wrote:   Do you think they really want to change??I wonder??Only they know the answers i guess...      ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:   I know,, Its almost like being stalked only diff  you are related to them..  and its illegal to shoot them..  We have a few in our family,, that if I never saw/spoke to again for rest of my/ or their life  .. wouldnt bother me one bit.  Its a hard thing to deal with I keep looking back at the way things were hoping someday they will be that way again.. But I set myself up for disappointment everytime....  But I try to hang on too wishful thinking. Hoping one day they will change and actually care about someone, not how much they are worth.      LadyBathory9 wrote:   Thanks Girls and HI! Becks...what i dont get is i know how the outcome will be..i  only go for my dad ..am thinking  well maybe this time, they really want to mend...but its me whos fooling myself with wishfull thinking.. I dont think we'll get away from family ever MG..      ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:   I am completley with you, on this issue,,, its funny how no-one seems to care until they think they are going to loose out on money ect.... The will...  so to speak..   I have seem people actually fight at funerals.. on one side of our family..  Its a struggle,  and yes I agree  ... I wish we could pick family..  if we could 80% of mine would be out the fricken door.. I had to laugh My cousin..  was pissed off at his Uncle over some fishing boat parts.... they are commercial fishermen. and he said to him.... well I guess in your opinion.. if you cant shit on family then who else can you shit on that is going to take it.. LMAO Ahhhhh  Yess   family.... I have spent most of my adult life getting away from them.. LMAO      LadyBathory9 wrote:   HI! Spa...i needed to vent  out my frustration ...got a called from my bro/sis..long time didnt heard from them..they wanted to make peace and everything..but what they only wanted was to see if our dad done his testament (its me whos looking after him).. when i didnt give them an answer..well they climbed all over me..dont have to tell u anymore,i think u got the picture..I told them to F..K off and dont ever called me again.. Why cant we pick our family like we do with friends... Edited at: Thursday, July 09, 2009 6:43:14 PM

On my Mother's side of the family we were all very close growing up and had family reunions every two years at one of their houses, and then there was a rift and my Mother bore the brunt of her older sister's accusations, which were unfounded, and it stayed ugly for many years, I spoke with my estranged Aunt for the first time in over 15 years last year at the funneral of my Great Aunt. First time I had seen anyone from My Mother's side of the family for many years.

		LadyBathory9 wrote:
		Do you think they really want to change??I wonder??Only they know the answers i guess...      ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:   I know,, Its almost like being stalked only diff  you are related to them..  and its illegal to shoot them..  We have a few in our family,, that if I never saw/spoke to again for rest of my/ or their life  .. wouldnt bother me one bit.  Its a hard thing to deal with I keep looking back at the way things were hoping someday they will be that way again.. But I set myself up for disappointment everytime....  But I try to hang on too wishful thinking. Hoping one day they will change and actually care about someone, not how much they are worth.      LadyBathory9 wrote:   Thanks Girls and HI! Becks...what i dont get is i know how the outcome will be..i  only go for my dad ..am thinking  well maybe this time, they really want to mend...but its me whos fooling myself with wishfull thinking.. I dont think we'll get away from family ever MG..      ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:   I am completley with you, on this issue,,, its funny how no-one seems to care until they think they are going to loose out on money ect.... The will...  so to speak..   I have seem people actually fight at funerals.. on one side of our family..  Its a struggle,  and yes I agree  ... I wish we could pick family..  if we could 80% of mine would be out the fricken door.. I had to laugh My cousin..  was pissed off at his Uncle over some fishing boat parts.... they are commercial fishermen. and he said to him.... well I guess in your opinion.. if you cant shit on family then who else can you shit on that is going to take it.. LMAO Ahhhhh  Yess   family.... I have spent most of my adult life getting away from them.. LMAO      LadyBathory9 wrote:   HI! Spa...i needed to vent  out my frustration ...got a called from my bro/sis..long time didnt heard from them..they wanted to make peace and everything..but what they only wanted was to see if our dad done his testament (its me whos looking after him).. when i didnt give them an answer..well they climbed all over me..dont have to tell u anymore,i think u got the picture..I told them to F..K off and dont ever called me again.. Why cant we pick our family like we do with friends...

Do you think they really want to change??I wonder??Only they know the answers i guess...

		~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
		I know,, Its almost like being stalked only diff  you are related to them..  and its illegal to shoot them..  We have a few in our family,, that if I never saw/spoke to again for rest of my/ or their life  .. wouldnt bother me one bit.  Its a hard thing to deal with I keep looking back at the way things were hoping someday they will be that way again.. But I set myself up for disappointment everytime....  But I try to hang on too wishful thinking. Hoping one day they will change and actually care about someone, not how much they are worth.      LadyBathory9 wrote: Thanks Girls and HI! Becks...what i dont get is i know how the outcome will be..i  only go for my dad ..am thinking  well maybe this time, they really want to mend...but its me whos fooling myself with wishfull thinking.. I dont think we'll get away from family ever MG..      ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote: I am completley with you, on this issue,,, its funny how no-one seems to care until they think they are going to loose out on money ect.... The will...  so to speak..   I have seem people actually fight at funerals.. on one side of our family..  Its a struggle,  and yes I agree  ... I wish we could pick family..  if we could 80% of mine would be out the fricken door.. I had to laugh My cousin..  was pissed off at his Uncle over some fishing boat parts.... they are commercial fishermen. and he said to him.... well I guess in your opinion.. if you cant shit on family then who else can you shit on that is going to take it.. LMAO Ahhhhh  Yess   family.... I have spent most of my adult life getting away from them.. LMAO      LadyBathory9 wrote: HI! Spa...i needed to vent  out my frustration ...got a called from my bro/sis..long time didnt heard from them..they wanted to make peace and everything..but what they only wanted was to see if our dad done his testament (its me whos looking after him).. when i didnt give them an answer..well they climbed all over me..dont have to tell u anymore,i think u got the picture..I told them to F..K off and dont ever called me again.. Why cant we pick our family like we do with friends...

Thanks Girls and HI! Becks...what i dont get is i know how the outcome will be..i  only go for my dad ..am thinking  well maybe this time, they really want to mend...but its me whos fooling myself with wishfull thinking.. I dont think we'll get away from family ever MG..

		~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
		I am completley with you, on this issue,,, its funny how no-one seems to care until they think they are going to loose out on money ect.... The will...  so to speak..   I have seem people actually fight at funerals.. on one side of our family..  Its a struggle,  and yes I agree  ... I wish we could pick family..  if we could 80% of mine would be out the fricken door.. I had to laugh My cousin..  was pissed off at his Uncle over some fishing boat parts.... they are commercial fishermen. and he said to him.... well I guess in your opinion.. if you cant shit on family then who else can you shit on that is going to take it.. LMAO Ahhhhh  Yess   family.... I have spent most of my adult life getting away from them.. LMAO      LadyBathory9 wrote: HI! Spa...i needed to vent  out my frustration ...got a called from my bro/sis..long time didnt heard from them..they wanted to make peace and everything..but what they only wanted was to see if our dad done his testament (its me whos looking after him).. when i didnt give them an answer..well they climbed all over me..dont have to tell u anymore,i think u got the picture..I told them to F..K off and dont ever called me again.. Why cant we pick our family like we do with friends...

HI! Spa...i needed to vent  out my frustration ...got a called from my bro/sis..long time didnt heard from them..they wanted to make peace and everything..but what they only wanted was to see if our dad done his testament (its me whos looking after him).. when i didnt give them an answer..well they climbed all over me..dont have to tell u anymore,i think u got the picture..I told them to F..K off and dont ever called me again..

I was supposed to be back home Friday ,but I just had enough of Family MEETINGS!!! Dont know why i put myself through HELL everytime i go there..on so called Meeting..It always end the same way...sorry to babble on...

Ok, returning to old crazy drivers....

Really? Well, another stereotype, I guess... Tho by statistics I saw somewhere, you have a lot less deaths in traffic, at least compared to us...

The one place I was really surprised was Germany. Really, so disciplined you couldnt believe it. Three lane highway, and you had it all worked out: the slow drivers on the far right lane, the normal ones in the middle, and the really fast ones on the left lane (really fast ones - Germany doesnt have a speed limit on the highways, so they go 150km/h and more). Or parking. Wrong parking in Munich? Havent seen it. The Police? Havent seen any of them either. Yet all seems to be working.

		Head banger wrote:
		I havent noticed that, although some places are beter than others.  Here, I swear drivers licences come out of a box of crackerjacks.  LA I thought had good drivers, Toronto was hit and miss.  mostly its highway driving here, which if you cant manage to stay on one bloody road with no stops, well you roll the car in the ditch, die, and hopefully produce no offspring to pass on your sorry skills to.      _strat_ wrote:   Really? Over here, thats the monopoly of cars with Driving school markings... Although, there are pensioners who do that too. Usualy the ones that drive an ancient Yugo, that hasnt seen the inside of a car mechanics workshop for at least ten years, and probably hasnt been properly registered for twice that long... And they drive maybe once or twice a year anyway... But add some alcohol (always easy here) and they turn into Mad Max. IDK, but I heard that North America has a very good driving discipline? Or are the pensioners the only anomaly?      Head banger wrote:   at least your pensioners know where the gas pedal is.  here they go 30 in a 100 zone, and stop at red lights, green lights, stop signs and merge signs.        _strat_ wrote:   Sarcasm? O yeah, Im sooo, sarcastic... Anyway... I actualy pity the future generations... Demographics, the population is getting older... By the time I retire, young people will have to deal with at least twice as many pensioners as we do today...  Lol... Cant wait... Oh, and I havent even started on old people driving yet... "Speed limits? Red lights? Stop signs? No, no, no... They are not rules. They are guidelines. Besides, I worked for thirty years, and no youngster will go around telling me that I shouldnt drive 100km/h through a dense urban area... At rush hour... Through red lights... Drunk..."      spapad wrote:   Strat, you always kill me with your sarcasim! That's why I love ya kiddo! HA!!!      Head banger wrote:   good luck with that.       _strat_ wrote:   Ok... Pensioners piss me off... On the other hand, I cant wait to be one. Heres what I will do when I retire, based on my observations: 1. Annoy people by pretending I am deaf. 2. Not bathe for a week, then take the bus at rush hours. 3. When I am in a bank or a post office, I will make sure that I have a long talk with the clerk about the weather, but only if there is a very long line behind me. 4. I will go to a supermarket, buy a ton of stuff, go to the 5 products max line, and argue for at least half an hour if they try to turn me down. 5. Cross the street at red, and show obscene gestures at anyone that would dare to say anything to me. 6. Annoy young people by saying how in my days, we respected old people, even tho thats the mother of all lies. There... Now, its 50 years to go, and counting...

I havent noticed that, although some places are beter than others.  Here, I swear drivers licences come out of a box of crackerjacks.  LA I thought had good drivers, Toronto was hit and miss.  mostly its highway driving here, which if you cant manage to stay on one bloody road with no stops, well you roll the car in the ditch, die, and hopefully produce no offspring to pass on your sorry skills to.

		_strat_ wrote:
		Really? Over here, thats the monopoly of cars with Driving school markings... Although, there are pensioners who do that too. Usualy the ones that drive an ancient Yugo, that hasnt seen the inside of a car mechanics workshop for at least ten years, and probably hasnt been properly registered for twice that long... And they drive maybe once or twice a year anyway... But add some alcohol (always easy here) and they turn into Mad Max. IDK, but I heard that North America has a very good driving discipline? Or are the pensioners the only anomaly?      Head banger wrote: at least your pensioners know where the gas pedal is.  here they go 30 in a 100 zone, and stop at red lights, green lights, stop signs and merge signs.        _strat_ wrote: Sarcasm? O yeah, Im sooo, sarcastic... Anyway... I actualy pity the future generations... Demographics, the population is getting older... By the time I retire, young people will have to deal with at least twice as many pensioners as we do today...  Lol... Cant wait... Oh, and I havent even started on old people driving yet... "Speed limits? Red lights? Stop signs? No, no, no... They are not rules. They are guidelines. Besides, I worked for thirty years, and no youngster will go around telling me that I shouldnt drive 100km/h through a dense urban area... At rush hour... Through red lights... Drunk..."      spapad wrote: Strat, you always kill me with your sarcasim! That's why I love ya kiddo! HA!!!      Head banger wrote: good luck with that.       _strat_ wrote: Ok... Pensioners piss me off... On the other hand, I cant wait to be one. Heres what I will do when I retire, based on my observations: 1. Annoy people by pretending I am deaf. 2. Not bathe for a week, then take the bus at rush hours. 3. When I am in a bank or a post office, I will make sure that I have a long talk with the clerk about the weather, but only if there is a very long line behind me. 4. I will go to a supermarket, buy a ton of stuff, go to the 5 products max line, and argue for at least half an hour if they try to turn me down. 5. Cross the street at red, and show obscene gestures at anyone that would dare to say anything to me. 6. Annoy young people by saying how in my days, we respected old people, even tho thats the mother of all lies. There... Now, its 50 years to go, and counting...

Really? Over here, thats the monopoly of cars with Driving school markings... Although, there are pensioners who do that too. Usualy the ones that drive an ancient Yugo, that hasnt seen the inside of a car mechanics workshop for at least ten years, and probably hasnt been properly registered for twice that long... And they drive maybe once or twice a year anyway...

But add some alcohol (always easy here) and they turn into Mad Max.

IDK, but I heard that North America has a very good driving discipline? Or are the pensioners the only anomaly?

		Head banger wrote:
		at least your pensioners know where the gas pedal is.  here they go 30 in a 100 zone, and stop at red lights, green lights, stop signs and merge signs.        _strat_ wrote: Sarcasm? O yeah, Im sooo, sarcastic... Anyway... I actualy pity the future generations... Demographics, the population is getting older... By the time I retire, young people will have to deal with at least twice as many pensioners as we do today...  Lol... Cant wait... Oh, and I havent even started on old people driving yet... "Speed limits? Red lights? Stop signs? No, no, no... They are not rules. They are guidelines. Besides, I worked for thirty years, and no youngster will go around telling me that I shouldnt drive 100km/h through a dense urban area... At rush hour... Through red lights... Drunk..."      spapad wrote: Strat, you always kill me with your sarcasim! That's why I love ya kiddo! HA!!!      Head banger wrote: good luck with that.       _strat_ wrote: Ok... Pensioners piss me off... On the other hand, I cant wait to be one. Heres what I will do when I retire, based on my observations: 1. Annoy people by pretending I am deaf. 2. Not bathe for a week, then take the bus at rush hours. 3. When I am in a bank or a post office, I will make sure that I have a long talk with the clerk about the weather, but only if there is a very long line behind me. 4. I will go to a supermarket, buy a ton of stuff, go to the 5 products max line, and argue for at least half an hour if they try to turn me down. 5. Cross the street at red, and show obscene gestures at anyone that would dare to say anything to me. 6. Annoy young people by saying how in my days, we respected old people, even tho thats the mother of all lies. There... Now, its 50 years to go, and counting...

I'm pretty sure that last one is not right at all! LOL

		guidogodoy wrote:
		¡Ja! Dicho como si fueras nativa del idioma.      spapad wrote: Entiendo exactamente lo que quiere decir Paor! Pasar por alto y el informe como ofensivo es mejor.